Great respect for the Luftwaffe F104 pilots. I was ground crew at RAF Wildenrath in the 80s when a “State 2 “ emergency landing situation was broadcast on the station tannoy. It was a German F104 with a lighting strike. I was on “Crash & Smash” team so 4 of us fitters jumped into the squadron Land Rover to join the Fire Crew and ambulance at the end of the runway and waited for the Starfighter to appear. It came in on finals crabbing at an alarming angle and bucking violently. Just as we thought it was going to crash into a field the pilot flipped the aircraft sideways and literally dropped it onto the runway. The aircraft bounced violently a few times, the drag chute deployed and it came to a halt. We all raced down the runway and when we arrived the canopy was open and, despite the very real fire risk, a clearly relieved Luftwaffe Hauptmann had removed his helmet was calmly smoking a cigarette. He deserved it. The lightning strike had peeled the leading edge of the port wing back like tin foil. He’d essentially landed the kite with one and a half wings. Amazing flying.
What a Gentleman and a great Pilot! Thank you for the interview and for allowing us to have a great time watching this video! Alles beste für Herrn Heinevetter!
The story of the bird strike is really unbelievable! It sounds like the bird actually was squeezed between the front windshield and the top of the canopy, yet the canopy did not break!
...more great F-4 stories by Frank Heinevetter and the interviewer really did a super job, also. Very respectful and empathic in light of this super experienced Cold War Air Force veteran - just great!! I just realized, that Frank is wearing a SINN St103 pilot's watch - SUPER choice and just what you would expect from an F-4-Jockey... Looking forward to more of Frank's great F-4 adventures - what a guy!!
I started my PPL in Lagos, Nigeria, in 1975. The CFI, and my main instructor wasCapt Sheik Mohamed. Hope i spelt that right. He had flown F104s in the Pakistani air force and told of climbing vertically way past the ceiling, until she flamed out. Then tumbling back, and gradually stabalizing. A proper sky god.
Great Interview , nice Storys 👍🏼🇩🇪🎗I live near Bonn , Rhein/Sieg Area . I remember low flying Aircaft back in the late 70' and 80' 🤩 Back then we had Sonic Boom's almost daily 🥳miss that 😉 Great Channel 🙏🏼thank you 😎
The flaps are actually designed for it, so why not. Today it's kind of the same except the flaps and slats drop automatically thanks to fancy flight control systems.
What a great interview. Thank you so much. I flew for an airline in the 90’s and early 2000’s before medically retiring. It was a transitional time from mostly military pilots to mostly civilian trained and the end of the last Vietnam era pilots. The airline I flew for had a lot military pilots up until it ordered the regional jet and began a very expansion. What I loved about being a new first officer was flying with the men who had flown during the 60’s and 70’s. We had pilots from several different counties. Evidently there was a period in the 80’s when the US ran out of pilots and companies could get workers permits to hire pilots from all over the world. Fortunately for me, my airline ended up with quite a few pilots from Europe and a lot for US pilots from the Vietnam era. It’s been along time since I’ve flow, so I had to pull my logbooks out and check, my memory isn’t as good as it once was. Anyway, your interview struck a chord. Many of the pilots I flew with early on had flown the F-104. with a quick glance in my note section, 5 pilots had flown the F-104. All, except those from Germany had flown it early in their careers as it was being phased out. Every aircraft is a mix of compromises that engineers had to make in order to try and achieve budget, performance and mission specifications requested by the customer. The F-104 met all of what the US Air Force asked for when its “thinkers” put together the competition for this new fighter. Like so many other military designs of that era…… what was believed to be the future of military combat turned out to be different than planned. This is particularly true with the interceptor designs that focused on climb rate, raw speed and no need for dogfighting capabilities. The F-4 wasn’t that far behind and much of its development was influenced by the same thinking that went into the F-104, F-102 / 106 and F-105 etc. The phantom turned out to be highly maneuverable once pilots were trained to use its strengths. But initially, it was a Naval interceptor. I’ve never heard anyone who flew it say: I disliked or hated the F-104. All enjoyed their time in this platform. You had descriptions like Ferrari and other muscle cars…….If you have ever driven an older Ferrari …. It was fun and memorable….. it got you a lot of attention… but it kind of wore you out if you drove it very long at high speed. Considering that this aircraft was designed and in squadrons only 13 years after WW2…. Or only 55 years after the first power flight….. Well…. I certainly wouldn’t pass up a chance to fly it. There is a company in Florida still operating F-104’s. Here is a link to their web site. flyastarfighter.com/
@@Aircrewinterview I, like millions of others fell in love with flying when I was about 5 years old. I actually love the aircraft as much as the flying…….. but as I’ve aged, I’ve actually found that it’s not the flying or aircraft that keep me connected…. It really is about the people who were, and are still in the aviation world. What you do… the connecting with individuals and documenting their lives and the aircraft they flew or fly is a service to humanity… History is as important as math, science or art… History gives perspective end helps us learn from the past and dream of the future. Truth is, I feel very insignificant when I see the lives so many others have lived. Thanks for what you do… it’s not easy nor is it inexpensive to do well.
@@bret9741 thank you very much for the kind words and your appreciation of the channel, as it’s always great to hear the hard work to bring these stories to the viewer is appreciated.
Awesome aircraft .. I remember attending airshows in the 70s and they were everywhere... Grew up in the fens close to a lot of the major airbases in the UK Remember a flight of German F104s buzzing our garden low and very fast .. Could hit 600 knots low down you know ... Nothing could catch them at low level .. Very stable too ...despite what people say about being unsuited at ground attack .. German attrition rates were down to jumping straight from subsonic planes like the F-86 straight into the hottest ship in the sky ...
The reason for the accidents involving the F-104, was that it was being used in ways it was not designed for. It was a high speed interceptor..other countries that flew the F- 104, were impressed with the aircraft
Yes and...no. The F-104 was a high speed landing one with so small wings 5 km/h less and suddenly you are a rock going down... so local air temperature, humidity, wing speed... all that factors could mean suddenly stall, any way German always liked difficult aeroplanes, the messersmith 109 was a very dangerous plane in take-off. Fighters are designed for live in edges so...
It was at best a passable interceptor, sold into other roles in Europe through the Lockheed bribery scandal. The USAF knew it's limits and wouldn't push it to do anything tricky. The poor Luftwaffe was stuck trying to make it work.
I can't imagine having to go through such technical and stressful training in a foreign language; even if you are fluent! When under stress, you are going to revert to your native tongue and having your instructor admonishing (yelling at) you in English is going to compound the difficulty!
I had an uncle who served in the RCAF and was stationed in Germany in the 60s as a jet engine mechanic. He did not have many compliments for the F104. He refured to it as "the widow maker"
The NF-104A with modified engine and a rocketdyne auxiliary rocket in the tailfin did reach over 100.000ft but the regular F-104 series had a service ceiling of about 50.000ft, not even as high as the XB-70 Valkyrie
@@michielhimself Yeah, I believe that some of those high-altitude 104 flights were essentially ballistic trajectories with rocket power, as opposed to a normal climb with sustained cruise at that height.
German Joke: How do you get your own F-104? Buy a small patch of ground and simply wait. The amazing thing about this bloke is that he survived the F-104 - great video.
The widow of a former german Starfighter pilot once told in german TV (this documentary is still on youtube) that her husband invated her for a coffee in the officers club of his wing. She asked him about the pictures on the wall, i remember around 10 young guys. He said: "These are my comrades who died in an accident." This scene took place around 1965, one or two dead pilots (F-84F and F-104G) every year in a single german fighterbomber wing! Some weeks later, her husband was the next picture on the wall.
Lucky man. The 104 might not have been a dog-fighter, but in its time, it was the ultimate bad-ass airplane. I always wondered if I could hack landing one of those. Those 180+ knot approaches must have been eye-watering.
@Frank Heinevetter 230 KIAS....wow! I am also told that if you got below 85% on the power, the BLC system would become ineffective and essentially require that speed even with flaps. I noted that the Luftwaffe retrofitted all of its 104s with Martin-Baker seats. That was a really good move. I still can't fathom how Lockheed fitted the early models with a downward ejecting seat. That never made any sense to me. If you got below a certain altitude, you were pretty well committed to stay with the thing. Much respect to you sir! As noted, the zipper was the ultimate bad-ass!
@Frank Heinevetter Holy smokes!!! I fly a light sport aircraft and do 65 knots on final haha
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This is spooky. I just wanted to search for "Aircrew interview F-104". But then I see that that Video is already recommended on my front page. I guess AI will take over the world soon :)
November 1995: Check Up for Military Service: My Eyes are Ok. March 1996: Check Up Drivers License: My Eyes are OK. July 1997: Basic Training, Check Up: You need glasses! End of July 1997: Eye Doctor, Army-Hospital at Giessen. 1st Checkup in the Morning, a young medi:. You´re eyes are very bad. You really got the drivers license? 2nd Check Up after lunch, Rank: Colonel: "Where´s the idiot who made this check up this morning?"
@@ji3194 As a gift, they sent one of our best sergeants to the parachutist course at the Airborne Combat School. He returned two days later. This guy was soldier for 7 or 8 years and suddenly they noticed, that he was unsuitable for any career because of an accident in ) his first year as a private. This was a very very bad joke. Our captain wanted to do him a favour, the parachutist medics made a check up and after that, the career of this poor guy stopped roughly. In his normal life as a radio operator he would never had to pass a check up like that and he would never got in some troubles because of this injury.
Eric Hartmann - Ace of Aces - was sent to America to evaluate the F 104. He was very critical of it and called it an unstable and dangerous aircraft. When Hartmann realized his efforts to not to have the plane inducted in the Luftwaffe were of no avail, he resigned in protest. The many subsequent accidents the plane was involved in, and the many lives lost, proved Hartmann right. It was a sleek aircraft and looked nice. Performancewise it was not very effective. Notice, the F 104 serves no air force now. It's contemporaries, the MiG 21 and the Mirage III and V, are still in squadron service of some air forces. In the Indo-Pakistan war of 1971, IAF Gnats and Hunters were out turning the PAF Starfighters. Not a very successful aircraft.
Of course no 104s are still in service….they date back to the 50s…. Of course subsonic aircraft were out turning the 104…. The 104 is a stubby high speed interceptor, not a fighter. The 104 was a demanding aircraft and needed intense training and dedicated crew or was dangerous.
He was not as critical about the plane, but he insisted that it was too advanced for the newly reformed Luftwaffe. Quote: "Well, the Starfighter was a great plane, but it had problems, and I did not feel that Germany needed, or that our pilots could even handle this machine without a lot more experience."
Sehr geehrter Herr Heinevetter, ich verfolge immer mit großem Interesse ihren Kanal. Heute am 22.05.2021 ist ein Bericht im Donaukurier über den letzten Flug der F 104 in Manching erschienen. Wenn Sie Interesse haben kann ich Ihnen den Artickel per E-Mail übersenden. Leider habe ich ihre Mailadresse nicht. Die besten Grüße aus Bayern. Ihr Peter Ilchmann
@@heinrichbleichrodt6199 da braucht Yt keinen großartigen Grund, die löschen dich und fertig. Und dann versuche mal, wieder zu Aktivieren. Man kann nur den Kopf schütteln. Ich selbst habe den Spaß 2x mit gemacht. Beim ersten mal habe ich ihn nicht mehr aktiv bekommen, beim zweiten mal hats geklappt.
@@dukeford8893 he's full of crap you say !) What are your qualifications in Aviation subject matter ( ?) Duke here's something you might find interesting . Flight lieutenant Mike Hale of the RAF took part in a time to height and acceleration trials against the F 104 Starfighter and reported that the Lightning won all races easily except that for low level supersonic acceleration which was a dead heat . WOW Duke !!!)
@@michaelgray7847 Nobody cares about stern chases or ad-hoc drag races. The Lightning was a good airplane but it never out-classed the Starfighter in any respect except low-speed handling.
Great respect for the Luftwaffe F104 pilots. I was ground crew at RAF Wildenrath in the 80s when a “State 2 “ emergency landing situation was broadcast on the station tannoy. It was a German F104 with a lighting strike. I was on “Crash & Smash” team so 4 of us fitters jumped into the squadron Land Rover to join the Fire Crew and ambulance at the end of the runway and waited for the Starfighter to appear.
It came in on finals crabbing at an alarming angle and bucking violently. Just as we thought it was going to crash into a field the pilot flipped the aircraft sideways and literally dropped it onto the runway. The aircraft bounced violently a few times, the drag chute deployed and it came to a halt. We all raced down the runway and when we arrived the canopy was open and, despite the very real fire risk, a clearly relieved Luftwaffe Hauptmann had removed his helmet was calmly smoking a cigarette. He deserved it. The lightning strike had peeled the leading edge of the port wing back like tin foil. He’d essentially landed the kite with one and a half wings. Amazing flying.
What a Gentleman and a great Pilot! Thank you for the interview and for allowing us to have a great time watching this video!
Alles beste für Herrn Heinevetter!
Glad you enjoyed it.
What an interesting and lovely chap .Thanks very much for all your interviews. Some of the World's Best people.
The story of the bird strike is really unbelievable! It sounds like the bird actually was squeezed between the front windshield and the top of the canopy, yet the canopy did not break!
...more great F-4 stories by Frank Heinevetter and the interviewer really did a super job, also. Very respectful and empathic in light of this super experienced Cold War Air Force veteran - just great!! I just realized, that Frank is wearing a SINN St103 pilot's watch - SUPER choice and just what you would expect from an F-4-Jockey... Looking forward to more of Frank's great F-4 adventures - what a guy!!
I started my PPL in Lagos, Nigeria, in 1975. The CFI, and my main instructor wasCapt Sheik Mohamed. Hope i spelt that right.
He had flown F104s in the Pakistani air force and told of climbing vertically way past the ceiling, until she flamed out. Then tumbling back, and gradually stabalizing. A proper sky god.
This guy is a gem.
15:10 Frank with his Parents and the F104.
Great interview! The 104 is one of my favorite jets!
Cheers Rick!
I’m so happy you were able to get front seat. Nice work.
Just saw the heads up for another Starfighter episode and im already drooling😆Thanks Mike!
Hope you enjoyed it:)
@@Aircrewinterview I sure did, cant wait for the rest, thanks:)
Great Interview , nice Storys 👍🏼🇩🇪🎗I live near Bonn , Rhein/Sieg Area . I remember low flying Aircaft back in the late 70' and 80' 🤩 Back then we had Sonic Boom's almost daily 🥳miss that 😉 Great Channel 🙏🏼thank you 😎
Thanks, Chris! Ah I can imagine that was amazing.
That was interesting to hear about using the flaps below 450 KIAS fo maneuvers! Thank you for the interview!
Glad you enjoyed it.
The flaps are actually designed for it, so why not. Today it's kind of the same except the flaps and slats drop automatically thanks to fancy flight control systems.
What a great interview. Thank you so much. I flew for an airline in the 90’s and early 2000’s before medically retiring. It was a transitional time from mostly military pilots to mostly civilian trained and the end of the last Vietnam era pilots. The airline I flew for had a lot military pilots up until it ordered the regional jet and began a very expansion.
What I loved about being a new first officer was flying with the men who had flown during the 60’s and 70’s. We had pilots from several different counties. Evidently there was a period in the 80’s when the US ran out of pilots and companies could get workers permits to hire pilots from all over the world.
Fortunately for me, my airline ended up with quite a few pilots from Europe and a lot for US pilots from the Vietnam era.
It’s been along time since I’ve flow, so I had to pull my logbooks out and check, my memory isn’t as good as it once was.
Anyway, your interview struck a chord. Many of the pilots I flew with early on had flown the F-104. with a quick glance in my note section, 5 pilots had flown the F-104. All, except those from Germany had flown it early in their careers as it was being phased out. Every aircraft is a mix of compromises that engineers had to make in order to try and achieve budget, performance and mission specifications requested by the customer. The F-104 met all of what the US Air Force asked for when its “thinkers” put together the competition for this new fighter. Like so many other military designs of that era…… what was believed to be the future of military combat turned out to be different than planned. This is particularly true with the interceptor designs that focused on climb rate, raw speed and no need for dogfighting capabilities.
The F-4 wasn’t that far behind and much of its development was influenced by the same thinking that went into the F-104, F-102 / 106 and F-105 etc. The phantom turned out to be highly maneuverable once pilots were trained to use its strengths. But initially, it was a Naval interceptor.
I’ve never heard anyone who flew it say: I disliked or hated the F-104. All enjoyed their time in this platform. You had descriptions like Ferrari and other muscle cars…….If you have ever driven an older Ferrari …. It was fun and memorable….. it got you a lot of attention… but it kind of wore you out if you drove it very long at high speed.
Considering that this aircraft was designed and in squadrons only 13 years after WW2…. Or only 55 years after the first power flight…..
Well…. I certainly wouldn’t pass up a chance to fly it. There is a company in Florida still operating F-104’s. Here is a link to their web site. flyastarfighter.com/
Thanks Bret and I can imagine it was great chatting to all those chaps!
@@Aircrewinterview I, like millions of others fell in love with flying when I was about 5 years old. I actually love the aircraft as much as the flying…….. but as I’ve aged, I’ve actually found that it’s not the flying or aircraft that keep me connected…. It really is about the people who were, and are still in the aviation world. What you do… the connecting with individuals and documenting their lives and the aircraft they flew or fly is a service to humanity… History is as important as math, science or art… History gives perspective end helps us learn from the past and dream of the future.
Truth is, I feel very insignificant when I see the lives so many others have lived.
Thanks for what you do… it’s not easy nor is it inexpensive to do well.
@@bret9741 thank you very much for the kind words and your appreciation of the channel, as it’s always great to hear the hard work to bring these stories to the viewer is appreciated.
@@Aircrewinterview my pleasure. I hope the pilots you interview know how much we appreciate their time.
Great interview! I agree, the 104 is definitely one of the sexiest looking planes ever made!
Cheers :)
Kelly tended to design sexy looking planes! The Blackbird being eye-stoppingly sexy, in my op.
stunning content Aircrew Interview. I broke the thumbs up on your video. Maintain up the very good work.
Cheers!
Awesome aircraft ..
I remember attending airshows in the 70s and they were everywhere...
Grew up in the fens close to a lot of the major airbases in the UK
Remember a flight of German F104s buzzing our garden low and very fast ..
Could hit 600 knots low down you know ... Nothing could catch them at low level .. Very stable too ...despite what people say about being unsuited at ground attack ..
German attrition rates were down to jumping straight from subsonic planes like the F-86 straight into the hottest ship in the sky ...
The reason for the accidents involving the F-104, was that it was being used in ways it was not designed for. It was a high speed interceptor..other countries that flew the F- 104, were impressed with the aircraft
Yes and...no. The F-104 was a high speed landing one with so small wings 5 km/h less and suddenly you are a rock going down... so local air temperature, humidity, wing speed... all that factors could mean suddenly stall, any way German always liked difficult aeroplanes, the messersmith 109 was a very dangerous plane in take-off. Fighters are designed for live in edges so...
It was at best a passable interceptor, sold into other roles in Europe through the Lockheed bribery scandal.
The USAF knew it's limits and wouldn't push it to do anything tricky. The poor Luftwaffe was stuck trying to make it work.
@@mostevil1082 the truth is, other countries did make it work. Like the British lightning, it was purely an interceptor, at which it excelled.
I can't imagine having to go through such technical and stressful training in a foreign language; even if you are fluent! When under stress, you are going to revert to your native tongue and having your instructor admonishing (yelling at) you in English is going to compound the difficulty!
I had an uncle who served in the RCAF and was stationed in Germany in the 60s as a jet engine mechanic. He did not have many compliments for the F104. He refured to it as "the widow maker"
so was the B-26...YET WITH PROPER TRAINING AND MAINTENANCE, IT WAS BRILLIANT.
I like Franks watch. Look like a Sinn 103
Now one can see why the great WW2 ace Erich Hartmann disapproved of the F-104...
I have a close friend who flew the 104 and he had some very interesting and frightening experiences flying this airplane.
He speaks very good English and I assume German and other languages. I find memorizing languages very difficult.
It went over 100,000 ft. No other aircraft other than the Blackbird, could get up there..
The NF-104A with modified engine and a rocketdyne auxiliary rocket in the tailfin did reach over 100.000ft but the regular F-104 series had a service ceiling of about 50.000ft, not even as high as the XB-70 Valkyrie
@@michielhimself Yeah, I believe that some of those high-altitude 104 flights were essentially ballistic trajectories with rocket power, as opposed to a normal climb with sustained cruise at that height.
👍 Thank You 😊
Thank you for your memories of this very sexy bird.
Amazing
German Joke:
How do you get your own F-104? Buy a small patch of ground and simply wait.
The amazing thing about this bloke is that he survived the F-104 - great video.
The widow of a former german Starfighter pilot once told in german TV (this documentary is still on youtube) that her husband invated her for a coffee in the officers club of his wing. She asked him about the pictures on the wall, i remember around 10 young guys. He said: "These are my comrades who died in an accident." This scene took place around 1965, one or two dead pilots (F-84F and F-104G) every year in a single german fighterbomber wing! Some weeks later, her husband was the next picture on the wall.
Lucky man. The 104 might not have been a dog-fighter, but in its time, it was the ultimate bad-ass airplane. I always wondered if I could hack landing one of those. Those 180+ knot approaches must have been eye-watering.
@Frank Heinevetter 230 KIAS....wow! I am also told that if you got below 85% on the power, the BLC system would become ineffective and essentially require that speed even with flaps. I noted that the Luftwaffe retrofitted all of its 104s with Martin-Baker seats. That was a really good move. I still can't fathom how Lockheed fitted the early models with a downward ejecting seat. That never made any sense to me. If you got below a certain altitude, you were pretty well committed to stay with the thing.
Much respect to you sir! As noted, the zipper was the ultimate bad-ass!
@Frank Heinevetter Holy smokes!!! I fly a light sport aircraft and do 65 knots on final haha
This is spooky. I just wanted to search for "Aircrew interview F-104". But then I see that that Video is already recommended on my front page.
I guess AI will take over the world soon :)
November 1995: Check Up for Military Service: My Eyes are Ok.
March 1996: Check Up Drivers License: My Eyes are OK.
July 1997: Basic Training, Check Up: You need glasses!
End of July 1997: Eye Doctor, Army-Hospital at Giessen. 1st Checkup in the Morning, a young medi:. You´re eyes are very bad. You really got the drivers license?
2nd Check Up after lunch, Rank: Colonel: "Where´s the idiot who made this check up this morning?"
Bahahahahahaha sounds about right for the Military. I had so many issues with Army Eye doctors back in 2010.
@@ji3194 As a gift, they sent one of our best sergeants to the parachutist course at the Airborne Combat School.
He returned two days later. This guy was soldier for 7 or 8 years and suddenly they noticed, that he was unsuitable for any career because of an accident in ) his first year as a private.
This was a very very bad joke. Our captain wanted to do him a favour, the parachutist medics made a check up and after that, the career of this poor guy stopped roughly.
In his normal life as a radio operator he would never had to pass a check up like that and he would never got in some troubles because of this injury.
Still holds the low altitude speed record.
Eric Hartmann - Ace of Aces - was sent to America to evaluate the F 104. He was very critical of it and called it an unstable and dangerous aircraft. When Hartmann realized his efforts to not to have the plane inducted in the Luftwaffe were of no avail, he resigned in protest. The many subsequent accidents the plane was involved in, and the many lives lost, proved Hartmann right. It was a sleek aircraft and looked nice. Performancewise it was not very effective. Notice, the F 104 serves no air force now. It's contemporaries, the MiG 21 and the Mirage III and V, are still in squadron service of some air forces. In the Indo-Pakistan war of 1971, IAF Gnats and Hunters were out turning the PAF Starfighters. Not a very successful aircraft.
Of course no 104s are still in service….they date back to the 50s…. Of course subsonic aircraft were out turning the 104…. The 104 is a stubby high speed interceptor, not a fighter.
The 104 was a demanding aircraft and needed intense training and dedicated crew or was dangerous.
He was not as critical about the plane, but he insisted that it was too advanced for the newly reformed Luftwaffe.
Quote: "Well, the Starfighter was a great plane, but it had problems, and I did not feel that Germany needed, or that our pilots could even handle this machine without a lot more experience."
Hallo Frank, hatte Du auch zu den Marinefliegern Kontakt?
5:40 she is gorgeous
@Frank Heinevetter Herzlichen Glückwunsch
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Sehr geehrter Herr Heinevetter, ich verfolge immer mit großem Interesse ihren Kanal. Heute am 22.05.2021 ist ein Bericht im Donaukurier über den letzten Flug der F 104 in Manching erschienen. Wenn Sie Interesse haben kann ich Ihnen den Artickel per E-Mail übersenden. Leider habe ich ihre Mailadresse nicht. Die besten Grüße aus Bayern. Ihr Peter Ilchmann
Holy crap - you found an F-104G survivor?
Wo ist Heinevetter?
Sein account wurde von yt gelöscht
@@Musti6387 Aber warum?
@@heinrichbleichrodt6199 da braucht Yt keinen großartigen Grund, die löschen dich und fertig. Und dann versuche mal, wieder zu Aktivieren. Man kann nur den Kopf schütteln. Ich selbst habe den Spaß 2x mit gemacht. Beim ersten mal habe ich ihn nicht mehr aktiv bekommen, beim zweiten mal hats geklappt.
Your best experience on a $40M jet fighter? I hit a turkey sized bird.
Not in the same class as the English Electric Lightening .
@@dukeford8893 Erick winkle Brown , the test pilot had reservations about the F 104 not good .
@@dukeford8893 he's full of crap you say !)
What are your qualifications in Aviation subject matter ( ?)
Duke here's something you might find interesting .
Flight lieutenant Mike Hale of the RAF took part in a time to height and acceleration trials against the F 104 Starfighter and reported that the Lightning won all races easily except that for low level supersonic acceleration which was a dead heat .
WOW Duke !!!)
@@michaelgray7847 Nobody cares about stern chases or ad-hoc drag races. The Lightning was a good airplane but it never out-classed the Starfighter in any respect except low-speed handling.
The Canadians used it as a bomber ,more successfully .