Hybrid Mixer Comparison: Tascam Model 24, Korg Soundlink MW-2408 & Zoom LiveTrak L-20
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- Опубліковано 30 чер 2024
- We take a look at the Tascam Model 24, Korg MW-2408 and the Zoom L-20 -all hybrid mixers, all Japanese made, and each fills a niche when it comes to different applications. The Tascam and Korg are also relatively new to the market so we jumped at the chance to compare them.
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Don't underestimate the Zoom Live Trak 20.Its a great product!
Yes I just buy L-12 it is enough for me. I am troubador and recording to Avid Pro Tools first my ideas.
Does the zoom really only have 4 outs when used as a usb interface? The specs sheet “22-in/4-out USB audio interface”
Seems like a huge drop compared to the Tascam’s “Built-in 24-in/22-out audio interface”
@@ThaddeusV21 I think yes. It is stupid with computer. But it works standalone.
@@ThaddeusV21 You get 22 inputs listed in a DAW from the L-20. Zoom has a video about the L-20 used as an audio interface which shows this.
@@Aperlaper well that’s a relief that the l-20 has that capacity at least
Thanks very much for such a straightforward, concise, yet detailed comparison! Just what I was looking for!
1:11 Tascam Model 24
2:19 Korg Soundlink MW-2408
4:57 Zoom LiveTrak L-20
It's not often mentioned but the Model 24 can essentially function as an inline console. it's able to process tape, or DAW, returns on the same channel as the input. It's the only board in this price range with that functionality, making it rather special.
Can the 16 do this?
On the Zoom, You failed to mention the separate app mixes available in tablets. Pretty awesome to control your own mix from wherever you are.
I sincerely appreciate this! I was leaning towards the Tascam, and will go with it.
I really needed some help - thanks alot!
Very nice unbiased overview of these three feature packed mixers.
It may have been worth mentioning that the headphone groups on the zoom can be used the same way as the subs on the Korg except that they don't have balanced outs.
Cheers Steve
@@Noisegate Cheers and true?
But they are (if you press the button)
Great review! Thank you for your input!💪🏾👍🏾💯
I also have Livetrack L20. My only negative point is that, like the Tascam Model 24, Zoom doesn't have all the buttons on a strip. You can suggest a Zoom manager to study this possibility. I think it would be gold on blue. We know it would be more expensive. But I don't mind paying more. I love your presentation. Good job.
Thanks Vitor
"...and product specialist for... Tascam..." ....hmmmmm.... a comparison of three mixers by someone who gets paid by the company that makes one of them... gee... wonder how THIS one will turn out??
Thanks for the review. I've heard a couple tracks recorded on the Tascam and was pleasantly surprised at it's clarity and sound quality. But if I had a choice I'd probably prefre the Korg as it has some really good features and some very good internal components incorporated into its design. and have a feeling it sounds pretty damn good too. lol
When using the Tascam as a multi-track soundcard -how is the latency on this board compared to eg a Focusrite dedicated soundcard ?
You should do more in depth on features on the l20 like the RCA inputs how to use the lights on also monitors external internal effects there hasn't been a real video on the extent of the l20 from zoom lining put line out
Still considering the Tascam Model 24. I'm hoping it sounds like my current mixing consoles. I plan on using the Model 24 as my primary mixing console for the large upstairs setup and using my other ones for more portable recording. The vintage one will still be used for when I want a warm, vintage sound. I guess I will see how it goes!
The Tascam doesn't have a polarity switch, which is a huge setback for mixing
Tascam wins hands-down for looks.
lol Well that’s true
@@lordundhimself1310 i like the meter LEDs on the L20
Great video!
Tascam 100% no brainer. thanks for the vid ,mate !
Can you use the headphone sends as a submix out? Choosing certain tracks to go to each headphone mix?
why the most expensive mixers just have all on or all off with phantom power is beyond me.
I know! And Ø inversion is a must
Exactly!
Yes! I simply dont get it. I personally have dynamics and condensers, but apparently i can only use either or? Come on!
Perhaps they are using the same (Chinese) sub-board?
@@calebreid4398 You can use moving coil dynamics (with or without transformers), ribbons and condensers with phantom power on if the microphones are properly wired.
Hi i am a drummer.i need 8 to 10 line input for multi track and there is also a phase issue with drum tracking and ofcourse metronome also.what would you guys suggest.?
*very* helpful video, thx for making & sharing :-) so I think I'll first get a Korg (maybe 16) für my keyboards, and later on a Tascam (probably 24) for recording everything together 🤑 - that is : no X-mas gifts in 2022 🤪
Great review!
I own MW2408. Do you know how to fix bust bus 1-2 channel? Bus 3-4 5-6 and 7-8 work fine. I must crank fadergain on both channel strip and bus channel to get unity level output but it’s very nousy. I’m pulling my hair out because I’m utilizing all 8 sub bus channels and bus 1-2 isn’t cooperating. :(
[9:56 AM] Tom Kunz
We would get them to do a factory reset first but that wipe all your presets)
Do this by holding the farthest left function button and exit button at the same time, and then turning the unit on while holding those buttons
If that doesn't work I would try different cables out of the output giving them problems and if neither of those suggestions fix it you may need to get it to a repairer
I've got the 24 and like it
I love the tascam but not being able to record post eq and no subgroups or direct outs are a real deal breaker for me
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Hi can I use Shure smb7 mic without using cloudlift? Are the preamps good enough to use the mic for recording vocals?
Why does everyone keep buying the Shure mic? It’s low signal and dozens of options out there
@@stevesmith1493 lol i agree ! go get a Shure 57, put a wind sock on it and be happy. spend $99.00 instead of $400.00 !!!!!!! with a little EQ, honestly I can't hear the difference and the shure 57 has a greater output s/n.
Wait... the EQ can be printed to your DAW? ???
features are customer searchable a back to back soundclip of the preamps and convertor sound would have been interesting
Are these mixers rack mountable and does hardware come with them?
i'm still searching for something that doesn't exist, apparently. Currently working with two Alesis 1622 (the early Mackies) still very good in versatile inputs and outputs, routing etc, and a Zoom R16 and Alesis iMultimix 8 for recording.
What i like very much about two of the three mixers presented here is the possibility to record/play all tracks simultaneously using an SD card.
But what i'm missing is the possibility of older mixers (like the Alesis) to have both effect sends and returns. On the modern mixers, you get digital effects that may not be quite what you wish, and when using your conventional effects, thinking especially about delay and reverb you have to use some channels of the mixer for the effect return.
Does anyone have similar or maybe quite different or fresh ideas about that?
ua-cam.com/video/UKw1DdWLapo/v-deo.html&ab_channel=StefanRinger
check this
Does the Zoom still have the noisy preamp issue found on its H and R series of recorders? Also the low gain problem where it'll need to be maxed out even for a 414?
Tbh I’m stuck in choosing the appropriate mixer. I’m in between a Korg MW mixer or the new Tascam Models.
I own a TR8, TB3, Korg KP3, Microkorg, CDJ, MPC, Guitar, Piano, Bass Guitar, a Boss Over-Drive Pedal, and a Boss Sp Sampler as of right now. So for a total of 11 hardware pieces/equipment what mixers are generally suggested? (including channel wise) I’m new to music and producing and would like to learn how to a build a workflow with mixer integration. Thank you!
Hey, big setup! if you're looking at producing at home, perhaps the Tascam Model 24 would be most ideal since it provides multi-track DAW integration and plenty of channels (and recording if you want it). The KORG is a great mixer too, especially with all the grouping functions, but to multi-track record you'd also need a big audio interface.
@@Noisegate The Zoom ALSO "provides multi-track DAW integration and plenty of channels (and recording if you want it)." ...why is it not also "ideal"?
@@garystackhouse5787 does the zoom have more than 4 outs in USB Audio Interface mode? Tascam has 22 out for DAW
@@ThaddeusV21 i am also searching answer for it.
Sir please suggest me, best 16ch analoge audio mixer for live program, please reply
You mentioned the TASCAM 24 allows multitrack recording.
But doesn't the ZOOM L20 also allow multitrack recordings? Or does the ZOOM L20 only a single stereo mix recording?
multitrack and then you can make a steromix of that later
Thanks very interesting.
Do you know if RME quadmicII as good preamp as Korg mw? Sparkly too? Or one of two 's more warm? Thanks
Sorry, but we haven't had a chance to check out the RME
Hi, I bought the Zoom Livetrak L-20 because it had the possibility of having both Mute and Solo which would have been convenient, too bad the Solo doesn't work in the sense that I noticed that when you activate it, the selected track it increases in volume but by a lot! the clip should also go.
Does this happen to yours too?
So for performing streamer will zoom livetrack will be ok provided it had separate headphone out
Hi, Yes it would
Hi, I recently got the zoom livetrak l-20, I'm still studying it but it's complicated for me as I've never had to deal with these machines. I have a problem with the send efx 1/2 effects, I can't understand how to send the effect to a single track, when the active goes to all the tracks at the same time, where am I wrong? Thank you
Jon Snow knows its mixers... hahha nice video! i loved it!
I think it’s good to know the price of these products as well. Korg Soundlink MW 2408 costs $1,200. The Tascam costs $1,200, and the Zoom L20 costs $900.
Good job. Nice presentation. I also have a Livetrak L20. I'm still learning how to handle it. Greetings.
Me too. I have L-12 one week now. Piece by piece and trial and error method ha ha. And watch many youtube videos.
@@kipponi Just like me. Trial,error and videos. Cheers.
@@VitorMachadoProf Thanks. Manual is so useless. You have to basically learn routing the signal. It took me half an hour to get sound to my earphones ha ha.
For anyone that owns or has worked with a Zoom l-20, can you tell me if this mixer has a capability of saving more than one mix/preset.
My church group and another group will be sharing this and heard it saves presets but the faders don’t change back
Yes you can easily save 9 'Scenes' (Mixes). & if you use the Ipad L-20 Control app you don't have to touch the physical slider at all. With the Ipad they act as virtual motorised faders on the screen. It's great!
It would be so useful if someone could take a measurement of the noise levels between the Tascam 24 and the Korg 24 for comparison - measurements at Unity gain with no signal.
I went for the L-20, Considered the Tascam but would of needed the 24 and the cost difference didn't work for me plus it is a lot bigger and I'm sharing studio/work from home space in a 5metre by 3metre living room, dawless has it's drawbacks, lol.
on the zoom you can get line out level on the jack outs
I want the EQ and Effects ON THE RECORDING!
You can. I have the Zoom LiveTrak L-20. If you record just a stereo mix to the SD, the EQ and effects are recorded. If you record separate tracks on the SD, you can do your mixdown in the unit and use all the EQ and effects in the mixdown. If you're doing your mixdown in a DAW, you'll want to have the tracks dry so you can add the correct amount of EQ and effects in the context of the mix.
@@garystackhouse5787 But can it also record the FX to DAW?
@@boimesa8190 Good question - would also like to know the answer.
@@bobcatt2294 on multitrack recoding , the fx won’t be added
@@AgunkPerkasa Indeed. I was saddened when I learned this. There should be a multitrack recorder mixer with a pre-faded/post-fader switch. My fuckin dream yo..
Do all 3 work as DAW controllers? Where does the Presonus AR16c fit in?
The Baby brother of the Tascam model 24, the Model 12 has a daw controller built in. It is not motorized though.
The Korg doesn't have an SD for standalone recording - could you just plug a USB key into it to achieve this?
Hi Cooper, no you will have to use a computer and DAW
Zoom could record without computer.
Thanks for this video with great content. I wanted to ask you a question: is it possible to use the Zoom Livetrack L12 / 20 with a band and make a Playlist and send the click to the drummer? I thank you for the answer
Hi Mady, we haven't had the chance to test that feature
Yes
Thanks Jon Snow
I love my Zoom Live steak 20. I just hate it doesn’t have aux in/out
Can you use monitor outs?
Korg really should’ve added 24/IO
through USB
Out of these three, or any that have been released since this video, which mixer with at least 20 channels is best for multi-track recording live gigs to a DAW? (I use reaper)
Anyone have an opinion? As long as I can post mix each channel individually, that's the main goal, the rest are bells and whistles. So if they all do that, which one has the best bells and whistles? 🤘🤣 Any response from anyone is appreciated
They’re all going to do the job, but the Tascam and Korg are easiest to use because the Zoom you have to select a track to edit things the Tascam and Korg have dedicated pots for on each channel. The Zoom has a much more flexible headphone routing setup though. I have a Zoom L8 and my PC can’t use it, the ASIO driver doesn’t work. Works fine with Mac. If i were you i’d go for the Tascam or Zoom, because the Korg doesn’t record to card. With Tascam and Zoom you can just record your whole gig to SD card right on the mixer, no computer necessary. Then you just kick those individual multitrack channels out to Reaper and mix from there.
If you’re going to bring your computer anyway, any of these will work. The biggest difference is going to be how they handle phantom power for microphones, so that might be one way to decide. The Tascam and the Korg have only phantom power fully on or fully off. The Zoom allows 4 different groups with different phantom power settings.
@@sub-jec-tiv Thank you kindly for the detailed response! Yeah I have a feeling there will be many hurdles in front of me. I'm a bit of a rookie on the engineering end.
@@sub-jec-tiv I'll probably go with the Tascam. But I'm gonna research some more first. I have an Acer Aspire E 15 (E5-575-72N3) as a laptop, which isn't that great but isn't terrible. Probably going to have to upgrade that as well
You should also note that the Zoom sells for only $900 whereas the other two go for $1200 each.
Hello I recently tested a Dynacord cms 1000-3 mixer; in overall, it sounds rather good (as if the sounds was embellished both warm and crisp) BUT I didn't find the effect sections not as subtle (for example there is no high cut in some reverbs) and vocals tended to leak in low medium despite the low cut and voice filter. And I struggle to avoid feedbacks. Do you think that for example the Korg MW mixer can have the same solid sound than the Dynacord ?
Hi ya, The korg mixer doesn't have eq for its effects however the programmable digital graphic EQ will do better at removing feedback over the fixed 11 bands that the Dynacord has. The EQs on the Korg are also rock solid, however it does not function as a usb interface like the dynacord does (dynacord has 4 channels, the Korg only has 2). That being said the Korg would sit in the same ballpark as the dynacord in terms of sound quality
@@Noisegate Woav Thank you very much for your accurate answers !! Concerning the video subject, apparently, it would seem that every model delivers the same quality concerning quality preamps, large headroom outputs... even if , for instance with Korg, the advertised peter Watts collaboration would make consider that the korg has a "superior" sound (?). Thank you very much again
Can the Korg record?
As an interface it will record as a stereo mix of the master output
Hey guys, not a fan of the Sound Craft desk?
which has the best build quality?
Hi Boi, going by our tests and observation the Tascam and the Korg and definitely the standouts as far as build quality is concerned .
@@Noisegate what about preamps?
there is zoom l-20R. i no idea what the difference between zoom l-20 and l-20R other than different shape & l-20R cheap than l-20(atleast in my country). anybody have own it?
there is no physic interface on the L20R, you need an Ipad and the app
But what about all the noise floor issues with the Tascam? I've dealt with these boards - the hum, the hiss... I'm just not a fan of Tascam.
Bought none of the above. Bought the Soundcraft Signature MTK.
Which has the most Aux sends/returns?
Hi The KORG Soundlink has the most with 4 aux sends and 4 stereo sub group sends
Full rundown of TASCAM Model 24 ua-cam.com/video/Gc0SQaZIVsA/v-deo.html
Hello, anyone can feel free to jump in here. If i had to choose one, my scenario would be live multi-track recording of gigs, to the SD Card so i don't have to bring my laptop and DAW with me, and then take the unit back to the studio for all post production mixing, EQ, compression, effects, and then mix down and mastering in my DAW. Does this make one product stand out above the others? Thanks in advance.
Zoom L-20 will be perfect. This is what I use for what you just described.
The L20
Definitley the Tascam Model 24. The video that Swayed me was a review done by sweetwater.
Zoom L-20 records to chip in multitrack, the others don't. Multi track to computer via USB is good on all three, but Zoom has the multi track to chip so no computer is needed ! Being only recording multitrack via usb opens a bunch of driver, computer issues. Most Sound companies are not even up to the new chipsets even after a year so problems are us when using USB.
What do you mean to chip. SD card? The Tascam will record to an SD card.
@@brianmartin6808 but not multitrack you dingus
Cannot believe Tascam didn't include a polarity switch. And people wonder why their mixes don't quite sound "professional"
I agree but fortunately a simple barrel phase inverter can be inserted where needed to say one of the snare mics. I’m more concerned about trying to through a passive ribbon in when the rest of the mics are phantom powered.
@@fredmanteghian5913 would recommend a cloudlifter, or similar product, to block phantom power while also boosting the mic's output
@@DerperyPooslinger I just bout a older Mackie 1620i which doesn’t record, but it has a phantom switch per channel. Still no polarity switch though.
The intro analog vs. digital is indeed an old debate and I think you just repeated an old prejudice that no longer applies to our modern times. Absolutely the most commercial produced music for streaming services is produced inside the box. Just to name Andrew Schoeps, who owns a beautiful rare Neve desk.
The reason for selling the small hybrid mixer is absolutely not the quality of analog (I am an analog guy too, I love my Soundcraft) it is the pricepoint in conjunction with the clearly arranged and trusted operation. A fully digital soundcraft (e. g. a vista console) is way more expensive! Would you tell us these fully digital consoles sound worse than one of your three budet models?
Zoom 3 kg.... Tascam 10... Korg 9. Zoom kills all the others.
Lol for a mixer review your audio is appallingly bad. Whats with the buzzing, rumbling and noise? Its annoying.