F-22 Raptor Vs Su-30SM Flanker-H Modern Thrust Vectoring Dogfight | Digital Combat Simulator | DCS |
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Would love to see something with the canadian airforce maybe like a bunch if cf18 vs the north koreans airforce or Belarus or something
Please swap aircraft more often during your sets. 1 set as 1 jet, another as the other.
Man who knows what he people wanted to see for Christmas.
Hell yeah. Happy holidays
King of the Canards: A multi-way dogfight free-for-all (WVR, Fox-2 optional) featuring - but not limited to - the SU30SM Flanker-H, Eurofighter Typhoon, Dassault Rafale, or JAS39E Gripen. May the best 'nard win.
I feel like the su-30sm could have put up a better fight if he didn’t pull so hard it the first turn I want to see that fight again but with a little more conservative pilot
"He is all out of fox 2s, i can RELAX now" - my neck hairs stood up when GS said that. Prolly the first time in a couple of hundred videos where he didnt eat his words immidiatly afterwards
Famous Last Words
😂😂
What did he run into flares?
I thought the same thing at 1:23 when he said the missile was _trying_ to loop, but he didn't think it was going to make it. I was waiting for the screen to go black.
bro so true
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I don’t play DCS but enjoy your vids.
same😀
Samesies
He's the one who got me into playing DCS lol
Ditto!
90% of followers
Would love to see 6 rounds but switch planes after 3 rounds. Getting both planes perspective and pilot skills.
I agree. Most of the kills are because of a mistake caused by flying style, so seeing someone else fly the aircraft they are less likely to fly it the same way.
I also agree
10:06 The Sukhoi did a backflip to shot the missile! That was so cool!
Mihali: I want to understand the enemy
More like arabic somersault lol
it was like in that one su57 vs f14 video he did lmao I rmeber the felon did a backflip
I believe, this move is called "kulbit" ("culbite") or "Frolov chakra".
The su-30 casually be flying backwards
I can't imagine how physically demanding this type of dogfighting is.
I think the F-16 gunfight type might be more physically demanding in some aspects, namely the pilot is squeezed much harder into the seat for much longer. Here the G forces are less extreme in magnitude and shorter (but also much more chaotic).
that's why even the f22 have physical limiters on how much it can turn. I think there was a former navy pilot that said that if a pilot were to force a plane into a sustained high g moves, it can start creating stresses on the wings and possibly airframe
@@sunny-sq6ci The pilot can't handle what the Raptor is truly capable of, but all aircraft have stresses.
i mean, it basically never happens. In a real combat scenario the Su-30 would likely be destroyed without having fully realized where the F-22 is.
@demonicspire1345 holy moly I swear you couldn't find an 'argument' more overused and irrelevant than this one.
Dude back flipped and flew backwards in round 5 to get that F-22 kill. lol. freak'n nuts!!
And that mutual kill at the end is precisely why the US strives so hard to maintain dominance in BVR.
And does so quite handidly. Russian believing they can jam top Western Radars and through cutting edge EW suites on Western jets is a fools errand. We're simply more advanced than them by a generation if not more
@@ObiWanShinobi917thus inters the F-35 and why every country wants one. The tech is just too insane.
@@ObiWanShinobi917I have a question tho , let’s say Russia developed an actual good stealth fighter , let’s say Chinese stealth fighters have good stealth capabilities, so in a 1v1 scenario both of them won’t be able to fight each other in bvr and they will be forced to get close and it should in theory result in a wvr fight or a dogfight. I think this is one of the reason why they still focus on developing short range missiles/ir missiles.
Su 57 is stealth. Su 27 on all have very powerful radars which can reach up to 80 kms or more. I don't know why people say they are outmatched in bvr especially when they have r77m. Us is not a generation ahead.
@@cameronpitcher4024 Su-57 is not stealth. We already know this from the RCS intel we've obtained, where its RCS is the size of a clean Super Hornet. Unless you're actually going to try to make the case the F/A-18 is also stealth...?
Also having a radar that can reach up to 80km doesn't defeat stealth. The F-15E's radar has a range of over 100 miles (185km) and even it struggles to detect an F-22 within 30 miles (48km), which is, if you're high-up (as you likely will be in the initial engagement) dangerously close to the MAR of an AIM-120D. That's detection, by the way, NOT TRACK.
Those are some of the greatest 3rd person end-of-the-round clips you’ve posted
Seriously, it's like a prettier tac view
I remember the last time you did this match up and you got greedy for a gun kill and crashed into the Flanker after you had filled it with lead. That was such a good video
Yaaa correct me if I’m wrong but I think that was a su35
He's got a Fox-2 of-- GrowlingSidewinder, 2024
xD
This has happened on many occasions
Fox tuah
Pretty sure that was 3 seconds...
Honestly its so cool to read the discussions in the comments without much hate for any of the planes in the vid, ig DCS is for mature people and thats why
2:25 THE SU30 IS FLYING BACKWARDS 😂
this is why I love these flankers so much! the only goal is to get the nose on to get a missile off at all costs, including backwards flying!!
@@BenRoth34 The SM in Su30sm doesn’t stand for nothing lol
That's why it got shot since it already lose all energy doin that
@@Blackbirds72 He forgot he was fighting an F22. Su30sm beats the other US fighters, F16, F15 and F18, su30sm is the killer of North American fighters
@@Overneed-Belkan-Witch Yes, but if the Su30 still kept at least 1 R74 then he could've gotten a kill, or at least a mutual kill on the F22. Just like at 9:20
Having a Flanker and Raptor fight each other never gets old. Also, that last fight ended perfectly🤣
Sukhoi casually flying backwards 10:11
Not a win flex tbh😂
FLYING IS FLYING! 🗣👇
This was actually rather beautiful to watch, especially the ground POV sequences. Like some form of lethal ballet.
I think another aspect for super manoeuvre ability in Russian planes, is the expectation they will be fighting aircraft penetrating their airspace, and will be essentially taking off into the fight.
Well if they keep f**king around they'll find out just how much better US and allied stealth is compared to what they have.
Yep, they're defence fighters, and not aerial projection fighters
This was my thoughts too just didn't know how to accurately word it. They can intercept and dictate their authority from there because they can end a lot of fights quickly from that point.
@@gibster9624 also why their radars are kinda not great, they're supposed to fight with ground radar guiding them, under s400 surveillance, also why US went so heavily into stealth and bvr
@@_solaris_4057 really? how do you know that?
you should do another one of these fights but you playing the Su-30SM! keep up the good videos!
Honestly, lots of people like to point out how these are not accurate, which is not entirely true because we don't know the true figures of the rates of these aircraft. But there were a few turns where the Sukhoi turned earlier, or performed a Serian lead turn perfectly, and was just barely able to point first, so what I'm trying to say is, it would likely just be equal😂
@@viktorbihar5384 just a skill issues!
Great videos GS. Been watching your content for a while now and love all your production- narration, music, scene cuts, all excellent. Informative, entertaining and very balanced. One of the very few channels I do watch religiously. Thank you for all your hard work.
The Su-30 is such a beautiful aircraft
I love having you talk us through the fight and explaining the battlespace.
2:54 GS THANK YOU, YOU ARE SUCH A GREAT UA-camR, YOU DESERVE EVEN MORE SUBS
F/A-18E/F vs F-35C (Fox-2 fight) would be epic to see! Navy vs Navy : Old vs New
Day 185
@@Mav09 yeah but he needs to fly the 35 for once
Fox 2 dogfights used to be creating enough seperation for the missile to work. Now it's about looking for a situation that the missle can loop around 😂
10:32 I like how the SU flared after his maneuver like…yeah I just did that! 😂
Really love keeping up with the consistent uploads, really miss the post fight analyses of old though
Those are the hardest maneuver I've ever seen and difficult to master somehow. But U nailed it easily and perfectly with a technical explanation for every tiny details that is about to happen. Kudos to u @GrowlingSidewinder
That wide angle view at the end of round 1, like a tango of death. Sublime.
I feel like supermaneuverability is something you'd really want to have access to for those situations where it's good, but not something you want the combat philosophy of the plane to rely on. (If that makes sense)
Like you design the plane to win the one-circle, but also have the capability to have that "oh shit button" in the form of kobra/thrust vector for when you have to.
I like the longer 3rd person view of the fights
The SU-30 was much better in turns last time and significantly more dangerous, often getting the first shot.
Good work GS
Absolutely brings back the old descriptor of a "knife fight in a phone booth". After that mutual kill in the bonus round, you guys have to go find a literal phone booth and continue with actual knives now...
Which is the reason for the emphasis on stealth and BVR capability.
Can't have the phone booth knife fight if you can't find the phone booth.
I feel like the Su-30SM pilot isn't rly trying to win but just to see the max capability of the Missile
The Su-30 pilot barely knows what hes doing half the time. Nowhere near GS's skill level at all
it was nice to see your plane keep flying and pull up in the distance after you ejected in the bonus round. :)
Was wondering if anyone else noticed lol
This rematch was so cool! Talk about aero dancing! These are some of the coolest dogfights in DCS! I love that Grinelli F-22!
After 2 years of watching your vids finally got my hours and rudders so excited to start my venture into the Dcs world
this was this craziest most entertaining fight I've seen yet lol gg to both of you
Ya, that ground view pulled kinda back shows what’s really happening … that was awesome👍🏻
10:08 what a jump shot bing bing fadeaway. sukhoi just moonwalked out of scene after that shot
This vid needs the ability to hit the like button multiple times!!!
I laughed out loud in the last fight when GS said that the Russians last missile didn't track then boom!!
Never seen a plane handle the raptor so easily. Great aircraft that SU-30. Nice video, I'm really curious of switching planes.
Classic GS ending!
All the regulars must have seen that coming. :)
The way these jets move is mind blowing. Imagine being the pilot. Wish my PC could run this game.
Proved your own point in second round mate, congrats on the subscriptions dude you deserve it because your channel is sick. Soon you will be at 1,000,000 🤘🏻great last round. Awesome video bro.
Great video. Really enjoyed it, especially as it shows (as they say in Top Gun 2), it's the pilot not the plane. This really emphasizes that you can compare two aircraft on paper and assess that one is better than another, but what happens in actual combat with skilled pilots is much less predictable.
Too busy gloating that last kill to pay attention to his missile!
He was gonna eat it either way
I saw an F22 do that backwards flying thing in person at the Cold Lake airshow some years ago...higher altitude and much slower, but still
Amazing Missiles. Assuming DCS has them modelled accurately (and they do seem to be), those are very deadly. It's a hoot watching them do a 180+ turn and in the case of your last shot, it took another severe turn to hit the target. With any separation those things are scary ... but fun to watch. Thanks again.
The look like two leaves falling from a height,,, so graceful though 🤩
Fantastic video! Thanks GS. Would love to see this rematch between the su30 and the f15 stol as they both have canards.
I haven't seen such a deadly series of dancing since Gandam: Char's Counterattack!
That first fight was truly the dance of angels.
Thanks for picking my video idea of su30 vs f22.
14:23 "If I go down, I'm taking YOU with me!"
This is what I imagine Mobius 1 vs Yellow 13 would've looked like.
That was CRAZY dogfighting. Imagine reaction of the WWI pilot seeing this maneuvres.
Such a deadly ballet dance. The agility is graceful.
14:10 LOL As the damaged F-22 flies off to crash in the city (or maybe fly off into the mountains).
That Su-30SM going backwards in the air. What in the world.
10:12 that was so confusing, i was like, did it do a 270 what?
Nah he hit the cobra button and pulled lead
Mihali: i want to understand the enemy
I almost dropped my phone when GS got smoked in round 2 🤣💀
Amazing video 🤝🫡🙌💥
Thanks for the bonus round,very entertaining.
Excellent video
Those vector missiles are nasty
That first kill looked like he had pissed you off! : }
“I’m gonna hit the brakes, he’ll fly right by”
That Flanker was flying in reverse on round 1.
I love your videos. Every time I watch one I want to try DCS again. Sadly it’s so much more difficult for me to master than is IL2 Great Battles. Still, DCS is fun to watch.
This fight actually favors the Su-30, I think. Unless I'm mistaken, its missiles are more 'loopy' and its vector thrusting is 360 degrees. Also, since it's such a close range fight, the stealth of the F-22 is irrelevant.
One legend said "It's not the plane but it's the pilot
never seen a plane intentionally fly backwards XD
and looks like the raptor was totally fine in the last fight. an f-15 can also land with a missing wing XD
Awesome content, always love fox 2 with thrust vectoring! Good job GS! As a proposal, I would suggest doing grippen with python looping missiles vs su-30 or su-35. Interesting to see how swedish griffon with powerful python stands against russian super maneuverability. Btw, happy new year to you and your family!
“I want to understand the enemy” ahh aircraft
I mean Mihaly and the Sol squadron are all in Su30sm
@@Xinocho-Mito..Only Mihaly. Sol 2, 3, and 4 fly SU-30M2s , which are based on the SU-30MK2. The former are mostly to be used as combat training aircraft for Su-30SM/SM2 and Su-35 fighters.
Ur videos r the reason I got a gaming pc to play dcs n im getting the f22 asap
Truth is, all things being equal the most decisive factor in a merge like the ones we see here is who turns into the merge first. I mean these two aircraft are as tightly matched as can be, so assuming they enter the 1 circle flow at a nearly merged position, the person turning first will automatically win. A. They are already ahead of the curve, literally B. Assuming the merge is reached at a high speed relative to sustained turn speed, the first person turning will have a distinct advantage due to the braking factor putting them ahead of the other very quickly. Just my observation though.
i love the move Su-30 SM did here 9:51
10:06, the Sukhoi score a kill flying backwards, gigachad!
I would love to see another go at it without missiles! Gun only in the best fighters, I love seeing it.
This is like a gunfight in a telephone booth!
Best bonus round so far!
A small portion of me expected GS to be in the flanker against the raptor, but alas I disappoint myself with my own expectations. Great video as always though.
Ya I’m the only one with access to the thrust vector raptor so I can only be in the raptor for this fight to happen
@GrowlingSidewinder Oh, it all makes sense now.
In round two he said that some times these fights last three to four seconds. Next second, he gave a perfect example. ( round two)
Last round - when you both get to the ground, you can duke it out to see who actually wins! ;)
Enjoyed it from beginning to end… as i do with them all 🔥🔥
He actually got negative airspeed in some of those kills. Crazy!
In that last fight where you both eject within about a mile of each other, all I could think was “They were playing DCS in the air. Now they’re on the ground playing DayZ. Grab your emergency sidearm and find the other guy before he finds you. 😳”
Nice choice in colors good sir! Love the YF-22A color way.
In fact, everything is much simpler, even in an interview with the Su-57 pilot, Bogdan said that they know very well that Dogfights are very rare nowadays. But if you can have super maneuverability then why not? It's better to have than not to have. And yes, apparently they are also trying to increase their BVR capabilities. The R-37M missile itself seems to hint at this. Well, there are new flat nozzles on the Su-57 engine for the same reason.
Feels like these dogfights turn into a quick draw where the su has the gun already in hand and the f22 has the gun in a holster
They could always find each other after that mutual kill and try to do an old fashioned pistol duel with their sidearms!! Who needs the jets??
love how at 5:32 the Su-30's missile loops back and almost hits the Su-30
Flaring while reversing 🔥🔥
Pure Witchery! Thank you GS!
Sukhoi: Your missiles are my dance partners ❤😂
The engineers solution to the super maneuverability problem was to strap two of the most powerful jet engines they could possibly make onto the jet so that you could just thrust out of your slow state unless you really screwed it up.
Good job my friend. Video was fun.
19:16 what has just happened i didn't expect that lmao
That Bonus Round was pretty impressive. Mutual kill in a HOBS fight is not something I expected to see.
9:06
Su-SM: I'm gona put this thing in reverse
14:13 You can really see the smokeless motor come into play here
You got me with the Sukhoi, then saw vs and my fate was sealed then I saw the Raptor and something just broke in me.