Thanks for your help. I have never fished with lead core. I just bought the set up for trolling with lead core. Your video really helped me. Thanks again.
Very helpful. Thanks. I do a lot of trolling with lead core in a canoe. I am colorblind, so I go totally by the line counter and I have just spent countless hours trying different settings. I have found that I can row one direction and bump the bottom, and over the same spot in the opposite direction, not hit bottom. Not sure how wind and current affects me in a canoe (a bit slower speed, maybe erratic too). I think I have been too short on my leader length. Appreciate the tips.
Outstanding video! I have had the question for years is the line out from the rod tip or the water level. You are the only one that has answered that question and I’ve watched a lot of videos.
Matt, thank you so much for validating my unconfirmed suspicion that the leader length is responsible for the dive curve. I’m new this year to lead core and seasoned users have been disagreeing with that. Not to mention you being the first video out of 100’s I’ve watched even mention this crucial aspect. Now, my question is about the sink rate per color being 7ft (I use the 832 as well). Most of the time I’m pulling deep divers and between the dive curve and 7ft sink rate the #’s just aren’t adding up. I’m somewhere between 5.8 - 6.7ft per color...? I want to believe that it’s 7ft per color but so far my experiences have been telling me otherwise. Is it me or do you believe it’s less as well? Thanks
Joe Y. Speed and current do have a affect on dive rate, what I gave is a general rule of thumb. Minor adjustments are normal for some of the baits. The precision trolling app for your phone will help you dial it in even closer
This is so incredible that you are explaining this. Thank you so much. I just have one question. I'm using lead core for trout fishing and I'm using a Tasmanian devil lure or Kastmaster instead of a bill type lure. Will the leader length also apply to these type of lures where it would drop an additional 2 feet if I have a 6 foot leader? Thanks again!
The length of the leader will act the same on any bait you use. So if you did not have any lead core and let out six feet of leader line how far does the Tasmanian devil dive? Would act the same at the end of the lead core.
Great job explaining. Trolling at 2.5mph etc is using main motor. What about when using trolling motors at say 1-1.5 mph. Is it a waste of time trolling that slow and all charts have 1.5-2.5 MPH. I catch striper trolling with planers and live bait only in spring and fall using trolling motor at 1 MPH. I haven't really trolled deep yet, so just curious if they would still bite on slow troll in summer.
The direct answer would be yes it will work, however for speeds like 1mph I would suggest using the offshore tackle snap weights 50/50 method www.offshoretackle.com/graphics/divecharts/50MethodRevised31412.pdf , bottom bouncers, in-line weights or using the 3 way trolling system.
Matthew Jollymore thanks, the link is using 10lb mono. Went to their site to see if I could find other charts and couldn’t find any. Would still love to see a chart or formula for 1mph using lead core.
Mathew can i try to keep it simple, were I all ways run 10 feet so the bait will go down 4 feet, and do the math on my 832 advanced lead core for sections and should be Wellah,,,right
OMG I need this so much because all I would do would just let the line now and just kind a wait for something to happen and I wouldn’t know where it is and what it’s doing
Accidentally bought me a "leadcore trolling rod" from Scheels and it's pretty small and I was wondering if I could use it to fish normally like cast from shore and catch like bass or trout
No, a trolling rod is for trolling, meaning it is setup to be used with a levelwind reel ( you can not cast a level wind reel because there is not a release like on a baitcaster. )
@@tylerleigh3264but it doesn't have a trolling motor I put a baitcaster on it pretty decent one for 100 and the trolling rod is medium look up the "Scheels leadcore trolling rod" it's look blue with black
Andy Izarraras I just looked it up and it would theoretically work with a bait caster it is just not ideal. It won’t be sensitive enough, have enough backbone, or be a fast enough tip. What I would do is see if you like it with the reel on, Go fishing with it a couple of times and see if you like. Which i am assuming you won’t so I would sell it and but cheap bill dance special or something. But if it is fine then great.
I run between .4-.8 and two colors gets my inline smile blade down approximately 22ft another thing to consider is the weight of the leadcore that’s with 17# core. Best way to figure out how to use it is to troll at your desired speed and use some sort of table like his and adjust it til it stops dragging the bottom then u have a better idea. I only use a 3ft leader to a swivel but my leader lengths varies between 3’-4’ on inlines. Once you know what’s bottom you can cut that in half and then in quarters. You don’t need to be right on because the leadcore fluctuates depths as you troll it sorta like flapping in the wind.
Thanks for your help. I have never fished with lead core. I just bought the set up for trolling with lead core. Your video really helped me. Thanks again.
You are welcome
Thank you so much for explanation!
Thanks man. Perfect.
Glad it helped
Very helpful. Thanks. I do a lot of trolling with lead core in a canoe. I am colorblind, so I go totally by the line counter and I have just spent countless hours trying different settings. I have found that I can row one direction and bump the bottom, and over the same spot in the opposite direction, not hit bottom. Not sure how wind and current affects me in a canoe (a bit slower speed, maybe erratic too). I think I have been too short on my leader length. Appreciate the tips.
One color is 30 ft
Outstanding video! I have had the question for years is the line out from the rod tip or the water level. You are the only one that has answered that question and I’ve watched a lot of videos.
Bob Osterday you are very welcome!
In the water
Matt, thank you so much for validating my unconfirmed suspicion that the leader length is responsible for the dive curve. I’m new this year to lead core and seasoned users have been disagreeing with that. Not to mention you being the first video out of 100’s I’ve watched even mention this crucial aspect.
Now, my question is about the sink rate per color being 7ft (I use the 832 as well). Most of the time I’m pulling deep divers and between the dive curve and 7ft sink rate the #’s just aren’t adding up. I’m somewhere between 5.8 - 6.7ft per color...? I want to believe that it’s 7ft per color but so far my experiences have been telling me otherwise.
Is it me or do you believe it’s less as well? Thanks
Joe Y. Speed and current do have a affect on dive rate, what I gave is a general rule of thumb. Minor adjustments are normal for some of the baits. The precision trolling app for your phone will help you dial it in even closer
This is so incredible that you are explaining this. Thank you so much. I just have one question. I'm using lead core for trout fishing and I'm using a Tasmanian devil lure or Kastmaster instead of a bill type lure. Will the leader length also apply to these type of lures where it would drop an additional 2 feet if I have a 6 foot leader? Thanks again!
The length of the leader will act the same on any bait you use. So if you did not have any lead core and let out six feet of leader line how far does the Tasmanian devil dive? Would act the same at the end of the lead core.
@@matthewjollymore3471 Thanks
Great video.I run lead core on Lake Erie and you mention adding planer boards on the lead core,what releases do you recommend to not damage the lead.
Jim Lemon the OR18
@@matthewjollymore3471 Ok thanks for the fast reply
Great job explaining. Trolling at 2.5mph etc is using main motor. What about when using trolling motors at say 1-1.5 mph. Is it a waste of time trolling that slow and all charts have 1.5-2.5 MPH. I catch striper trolling with planers and live bait only in spring and fall using trolling motor at 1 MPH. I haven't really trolled deep yet, so just curious if they would still bite on slow troll in summer.
The direct answer would be yes it will work, however for speeds like 1mph I would suggest using the offshore tackle snap weights 50/50 method www.offshoretackle.com/graphics/divecharts/50MethodRevised31412.pdf , bottom bouncers, in-line weights or using the 3 way trolling system.
Matthew Jollymore thanks, the link is using 10lb mono. Went to their site to see if I could find other charts and couldn’t find any. Would still love to see a chart or formula for 1mph using lead core.
Mathew can i try to keep it simple, were I all ways run 10 feet so the bait will go down 4 feet, and do the math on my 832 advanced lead core for sections and should be Wellah,,,right
Correct and you hit the point I was making right on!
@@matthewjollymore3471 👌
I want to make a 10 color rig any suggestions? looking at the Okuma cold water reel and suffix 832 Lead Core. But not sure what size rod and reel.
Jonathan Lozier I use a KastKing Rekon 20 line counter reel and a KastKing Krome Pro troller 10’6 rod. I run suffix 832 advanced lead core.
@@matthewjollymore3471 Thanks,, I did not think a size 20 would hold 10 colors/3300 yds of lead core!
@@jonathanlozier4329 1 color is 30 feet (10 yards) so 10 color is 300 ft.
OMG I need this so much because all I would do would just let the line now and just kind a wait for something to happen and I wouldn’t know where it is and what it’s doing
Accidentally bought me a "leadcore trolling rod" from Scheels and it's pretty small and I was wondering if I could use it to fish normally like cast from shore and catch like bass or trout
No, a trolling rod is for trolling, meaning it is setup to be used with a levelwind reel ( you can not cast a level wind reel because there is not a release like on a baitcaster. )
@@tylerleigh3264but it doesn't have a trolling motor I put a baitcaster on it pretty decent one for 100 and the trolling rod is medium look up the "Scheels leadcore trolling rod" it's look blue with black
Andy Izarraras I just looked it up and it would theoretically work with a bait caster it is just not ideal. It won’t be sensitive enough, have enough backbone, or be a fast enough tip. What I would do is see if you like it with the reel on, Go fishing with it a couple of times and see if you like. Which i am assuming you won’t so I would sell it and but cheap bill dance special or something. But if it is fine then great.
Also do you have Instagram, if so I can dm you to talk about it more and find a better rod.
@@tylerleigh3264 I have a Snapchat if that works or Facebook you can add me if you want
Hi. My trolling rods came factory with 30ft of 30lb mono, could you give some insight as to the dive depths would be?
TIA
I wish I could answer every question, this is one I cannot answer. The best I can do is to guild you to the precision trolling app.
How much lead do you wind up on your reel
I use the Diawa Sealine 47 so I have a full 10 colors spooled up
You did not talk about boat speed did you???
Alan Mc the measured speed for lead line is normally 2.0 MPH - 2.2 MPH depending on brand
I run between .4-.8 and two colors gets my inline smile blade down approximately 22ft another thing to consider is the weight of the leadcore that’s with 17# core. Best way to figure out how to use it is to troll at your desired speed and use some sort of table like his and adjust it til it stops dragging the bottom then u have a better idea. I only use a 3ft leader to a swivel but my leader lengths varies between 3’-4’ on inlines. Once you know what’s bottom you can cut that in half and then in quarters. You don’t need to be right on because the leadcore fluctuates depths as you troll it sorta like flapping in the wind.
The camera need to focus on the board not to instructor. But good instruction.
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