NATO Secretary General in panel discussion at Munich Security Conference, 17 Feb 2024
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- NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg speaks at the “In It to Win It: The Future of Ukraine and Transatlantic Security” panel discussion at the Munich Security Conference, Saturday 17 February 2024.
🎤 Christiane Amanpour, CNN
🗣️ NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg
🗣️ Kaja Kallas, Prime Minister of Estonia
🗣️ Pete Ricketts, US Senator
🎤 Christiane Amanpour:
For you Secretary General, NATO has said, and actually key Defence Ministers from the frontline countries, have said that you are concerned for the first time. This wasn’t the case last year, that within three to five years even, Putin could test the resolve of a NATO country.
🗣 | NATO Secretary General:
We can never take peace for granted, but I think it is important to convey that we don't see any imminent threat against any NATO Ally. The world has become more dangerous, but NATO has become stronger. And the purpose of NATO is to prevent war, is to ensure that there is no room in Moscow for any miscalculation about NATO's readiness and resolve to protect all Allies. And to make it clear that an attack on one Ally will trigger the response from the whole Alliance. And as long as we convey that message, clearly to Moscow, no Ally will be attacked. So our deterrence remains credible and therefore we don't see any military threat against any NATO Ally.
🎤 Christiane Amanpour:
Can I ask you to pick up on the progress that NATO nations are making in what you’re all demanding for more defence spending?
🗣 | NATO Secretary General:
In 2014, NATO made the very important decision, triggered by Russia's illegal annexation of Crimea and also NATO Allies after years of reducing defence spending, we had to start to increase defence spending. And that was at the NATO Summit in Wales. I remember I was there. And I thought this was just another pledge by politicians and I made that international meeting and [thought] not so much was going to happen.
The reality is that a lot has happened because since then, all NATO Allies have increased defence spending. This year, we expect 18 Allies to meet the 2% guideline, spend 2% of GDP on defence. That's up from three [Allies] in 2014. That's a significant increase, meaning that in total European Allies and Canada have added 600 billion [dollars] extra for defence. And those Allies which are not yet at 2% have plans in place to be there very soon. So there is an enormous difference and the European Allies have really stepped up because they realise that there is need to invest in high-end capabilities, have more readiness of our forces. And NATO has implemented the biggest reinforcements on collective defence in generations with battlegroups, combat troops in the eastern part of the Alliance for the first time in our history, with high readiness, more forces, and now total new defence plans. So I’m not saying everything is fine. I agree that Europeans have to do even more, but they're really on track to something which is demonstrating a commitment of all Allies that need to stand together.
🎤 Christiane Amanpour:
Can you today be certain that NATO can defeat Russia, if it comes to that? All we're hearing is that you're not ramped up enough. You don't have enough to do what you need to do in Ukraine, much less if you were to confront Russia, and you've said that if he steps on your territory, every single inch will be defended.
🗣 | NATO Secretary General:
NATO is the strongest military power in the world today. We represent 50% roughly of the world's total military might. And militarily, we are stronger than Russia.
But at the same time, I think the war in Ukraine has demonstrated that there are some serious gaps. For instance, when it comes to sustainment, it’s one thing to have all the advanced weapons systems, but they need spare parts, they need maintenance, and obviously they need ammunition. And in the beginning of the war in Ukraine, we depleted our stocks, but now they are running quite low. So now we are focusing extremely, on how to ramp up production. We have some good news. There are new factories being set up. Production has increased but there’s an urgent need to do more.
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A true Diplomat Jens Stoltenberg ✌️🇧🇻
I beg to disagree. It is not the United States or democracy that are “messy”. It is a group of people within a political party in the United States that is working against everything that the free world stands for, and everything that authoritarian regimes ever dreamed of.
The senator keeps putting the blame on democracy while the fact is his Party, GOP is the one who are the obstructionists.
Yes. Sad
American creditability is on the line.
Excellent and polite presentation by Estonian PM.
the estonians are righteous. they've been on the ball from the beginning
Really smart Prime minister of Estonia,you are really brave and gorgeous.long live.
NATO secretary general is a very sincere person on his job. He has been always busy about the future of NATO and Europe.
Please help Ukraine 🇺🇦 ❤.
Yes Kaja, thank you! Greetings from Estonia 🇪🇪
Elagu Eesti 🇪🇪 Support from Latvia 🇱🇻
Yes, Kaja sounds like a human without the lessons in political rhetoric
Very enjoyable
Greetings from Denmark
She’s very smart!
Hi Estonia from the UK. I’ve been so impressed by the Baltics and Poland during all of this :)
Stand strong NATO the world needs you now more than ever.
Kaja Kallas is a great speaker... right on topic and does not pull punches... WOW! great to see a leader with "moxie"
Ronald Reagan IS turning in his grave about how shameful many if not most Republicans are acting
And just one more thing Kaja Kallas is superb!
In fact it was just Pete Ricketts, I was distinctly unimpressed with.
He was repetitive and no substance .. he said the same lines at least 6 times...Trump has written his narratives how scary ..
He's a Republican congressman toeing the GOP line. They always look after the Party's interests first before anything else, even their own country's.
Estonias President is very right! Top! Greetings from Switzerland.
Estonia 🙏❤
Btw, I'm from Spain and it is the first time I have seen the Estonian president talk. She is impressive. Actually it feels like she is a true leader. Europe needs people like her. Now I understand why Russia has targeted her... because it is obvious that she can make Europe and NATO much stronger.
PM Kallas is an outstanding person. Totally impresses by her.
Thank you for sharing this. I had some words for my Senator (Ricketts).
Good job to Christiane, PM, & SG; Thanks.
The majority of US population, and representatives, still continue to support Ukraine!! Our problem is a tiny group of conservative radical right has tied up US spending for Ukraine in the HOUSE. If the aid is put up for a vote it would pass overwhelmingly. That is why the radical right will not let it be put up for a vote. There are ways around them, but it takes time.
We need more women in politics like her
*Such as smart and intelligent person Kaja Kallas, Prime Minister of Estoni*
We are still not doing enough for Ukraine as we all know Ukraine has had to withdraw from a very important Town In Ukraine at this moment ! !
Prime Minister Kallas should be an successor to Stoltenberg when he leaves. She has the right values for the job and are very powerful. Absolutly a brilliant candidate!
Palaikymas iš Brolių Latvių 🇱🇻🇱🇻🇱🇻🇱🇻🤝🇱🇹💪
Lovely talk, very needed.
NATO❤
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NATO! Stay together!
10:45 👏 Kaja Callas for next Secretary General of NATO!
Just wow for the question from Oleksey (hope i got it right). Lots of direct words here, hope it shapes up decisions to come.
Just so that this senator understands that the US southern border problem is nothing compared to Europe refugees problem ..." The number of forcibly displaced and stateless people in Europe rose to 21.8 million by the end of 2022, including almost 12.4 million refugees, 1.3 million asylum-seekers, 7.2 million internally displaced people and 474,000 who were stateless. "
That senator also comparing Ukraine been invaded, their cities bombed, its people killed, tortured, raped and children taken away to be russofied with migrants trying to cross the US borders is grotesque. None of the migrants trying to get into US are bombing/killing/raping Americans.
US must understand that US only cannot fight a block of Russia, China, N.Korea and Iran alone, US will need NATO, so US helping NATO is helping US too. The "timing" is now not when it is too late.
Kallas is a competent, excellent argument about what the USA earned in Europe versus Asia. We need her as our next Secretary-General to NATO.
Absolutly YES
I think Mark Rutte is going to be the one they'd pick.
I agree entirely with PM Kailas, why investing hugely in old technologies when we need to look forward to new ways by joining forces.
This was a good one.
Schonen abend dear NATO ❤ Slava Ukraine 💙💛
Well done 😊. Thanks guys 😁
Estonien PM…. Damn she is good. We gotta learn from her
The Problem is that America want to isolate at the same time they want to lead. does not work
Loved this
Please keep us safe! Help opening op for civilians to help!
What the lady from Estonia said about each country in NATO being equal is very important. Also, for now the European countries may have to be the countries who carry the burden until the US can get there. We will come as we have always so carry on until we can join you in the fight. We’re otherwise occupied in other fights right now. Ultimately we will all prevail because we bring justice.
I support Ukraine!🇺🇲🇺🇦🇺🇲🇺🇦
beautifully said Kaja
Wat een geruststelling een verbonden Sessie.
Uitstekend transparant de uitleg dat te samen de veiligheid van democratie word waargemaakt.
NATO needs to stand together and defend itself. NATO members of the Europe needs to understand that now is the time for them to play a major role in their defense. Russia is no match for even the members of EU. If they don't defend now world democracy may be in jeopardy.
Poland and Finland are smart countries, they are investing in their own securities.
I fully support a defensive alliance. We are clear on the fact that we do not want to attack other countries. Russia is for the Russians, China for the Chinese but Ukraine is for the Ukrainians and Taiwan for the Taiwanese, so the US for the Americans. The best interest for the US is to solidify NATO and encourage NATO be independent too. Yes, borders are important in the US. Poland understood that so do we, however we must protect those who are democratic and believe in free comerse. Evil prevails if good man does nothing. We must defend our society from autocracy, authoritarianism, dictatorship, tyranny and mysticism. This is why we must draw the line and align with a defensive alliance.
Get Senator Ricketss some Vitamin D asap.
As Churchill once said: "You can always trust the americans to do the right thing, after they have tried everything else".
The Estonia prime minister is the most brightest prime minister in Europe
Bravo Estonia Prime Minister. US Senator was not able to give a single good answer.
Great discussion thank you from California USA Estonian leader very smart
Fascinating!
Sadly The American Brought nothing of any consequence to this meeting, he may as well of stayed at home 😡
I fully agree with you that the American brought nothing. He was too often insulting, actually.
Kaja Kallas, Prime Minister of Estonia - very impressive, US senator obviously a republican = there is no time for messing around!!
Long live the West ! From Italy ❤❤
"Democracy takes time" to respond is a Cop Out. If you know this already you should be doing something about it to streamline things. Why is it so hard for you realize that dictators can move faster than you - you can't just play catchup.
You may not like it but it is true. Unlike in dictatorships, democratically elected leaders don't have absolute powers to decide what to do. They have to go through established rules and laws of the land. In the US, that means decisions have to be passed by both houses of Congress and some times the Party in power does not have control of both houses - that is exactly what is happening right now.
Good debate . I had a question regarding possibility for EU/UK to by weapons for Ukraine from US as an emergency ?
I love it when I hear Kaja Kalas speak out so clear .... She is outstanding - and the rest of us should listen close to her .... Problems has to be solved .... the time for Speeches are gone - action is needed .... and Please from all Europe too .... Have said it 100 times - here in Europe we can't take "Uncle Sam" for granted for our protection - It is our fault we did ... Not "Uncle Sam's" ....
support peace and nato
The Estonian Prime Minister schooled the US senator good.
Christiaane Amanpouuure, a very serious and professional journalist 🤣
Good job🎉
@AlexGoncharenko 👍👍👍
Kallas were right on the point there, huge props to her for actually putting that U.S. Senator on the spot! It's rather insane that we as europeans have to convince republicans in the US that supporting Ukraine is good business for them. It's shameful that it needs to be adressed that way when Ukrainians are dying and suffering to defend their country against a ruthless and cynical invasion. Does nobody remember the terror that happened in Bucha and Mariupol, as well as all the other horror happing to the tortured people of Ukraine? I'm actually both baffeled and sickened by the eco-political game that goes on. Shame on us for not stepping up as needed, instead we are repeating Chamberlain's appeasement strategy. Enough is enough, Russia needs to be dealt with NOW! Sincerely, a consearned Norwegian citizen
Senator Ricketts is not providing any value here. Unfortunate that he can't assure the world that the US will step up.
Congratulations to NATO for standing up against authoritarian governments like Russia´s Putin. For defending Western values like freedom, democracy, and Transatlantic security supporting Ukraine!!!
She’s good!
What is happening with Sweden??... The NATO alliance needs to be stronger, what is NATO waiting for?.. And, YES!!! Americans we support NATO.
The challenge facing the Europeans is to convince Americans that Europe is, in fact, actually stepping up. It was jarring to watch Kaja Kallas talk about an existential threat to her country versus Sen. Ricketts' talk about illegal immigration - as if these were somehow comparable. But this goes to show you how far Americans have moved on the issue of European security. A sizable minority of Americans don't really sympathize with Europe's plight. The narrative that Europeans are not doing enough for their own security has been circulating *unchallenged* in Conservative circles for at least 20 years. The idea has become ingrained, and it was bolstered by multiple administrations urging Europeans to spend more, but without having much success. So, when Europe is now in need, sadly, many Americans feel that, security-wise, Europe has not been a good friend, you know, that type of friend who suddenly shows up with a big ask after ignoring your needs for years. Europe's challenge is to change this attitude. 2.5 to 3% of GDP across the board would help.
The US senator should read more before comes to the world stage.
Many countries more join Nato..end all war ..
When Pete Ricketts starts answering questions and talking about Ukraine without diverting the discussions towards some border security which cannot be compared with the problems of people being bombed and killed every day ....until ...hopefully USA will solve the " border security " ...Very SAD 😥
I don't know which woman represents the best values of North America, in Europe we have Prime Minister Kaja Kallas.
Ukraine must be given all the aid it needs to defend itself from evil. The US House of Representatives MUST pass the latest bill on the Ukrainian aid package because it is the RIGHT thing to do. Slava Ukraine 🇺🇦 God bless the USA🇺🇸 God bless Europe and NATO 🇪🇺God bless freedom and democracy the world over 🌎
As long as it takes as much needed!,,,
Supporting Ukraine will make jobs in the US and maybe we can outsourced many of those jobs to the countries where the people at the border will return to those jobs.
The US argument is weak and does not convince
"do you really think that if Ukraine would fail, that would help American border?" America has the rights to defend itself in Ukraine
What are the chances of catching Putin?
Ukraine consider the UK and Churchill in the same situation with support from America in WWII, i understand fully the frustration with this situation but in Democracies the peoples wishes take precedent you would wish the same for your people i'm sure, so as Britain had to carry on fighting and hope Americans change their minds you have to have patience in these situations and have faith in Democracies to do the right thing.
The US senator keeps going about the 2%. He seems to forget that Europe is paying indirectly the US for all this. Sanctions have increased the already high energy prices, Europe is importing US LPG which is not cheap. So Europe has to contend with an already high expenditure that finds difficult to justify to their people. He said, arguably, the the US is a democracy, well in Europe we are true democracies not just a republican democracy and there a high percentage of right wing parties that would prefer to support putin and these are increasing in popularity. Still Europe is supporting Ukraine and still taking are of their millions of escapees from the war, in addition to the millions of refugees from US led wars like Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria. I guess the 20 year war in Afghanistan must have costed quite a bit to all these NATO countries and that was the result of the US invoking article 5.
He also forgets or, more worryingly, does not know that the defence funding (whatever the percentage of GDP) that most European and NATO countries spent ends up in the pockets of US military-industrial complex. US have the highest concentration of defence sector companies that produce munitions and advanced weapons systems that are in turn bought by these countries for their security and defence.
I thought it was the EU that gave the €50 billion not europe.
EU is Europe. Where do you think the money is from?
Spend it now or spend a whole lot more later.
This senator has nothing to say about ukraine, he is pro trump i guess.
That senator is really out of touch with geopolitics! Amazing how Trump still has so much hold on those so called “republicans MAGA”!
The map of the world is about to be redrawn by a brutal despotic leader and he talks as if Mexicans crossing border is more important.
Ukraine don't worried .....USA will
continue their aid to Ukraine as
soon as possible. God bless its.
As far as I know, Mr Alexei Navalny is dead, but Mr Julian Assange is still alive. Do you have any opinion about his arrest? Do you know what crime Assange committed?
He leaked classified diplomatic/military/state documents of several nations and personal banking data of private citizens from illegal hackers.
Being able to watch this NATO News today, I feel all Europeans including Ukraine, with this delayed US Congress’ decision on continuing financial assistance to Ukraine’s War; feel the US(Washington Gov’t) have changed as a World democratic leader, who use to help any country(in time of need,) to a selfishly-thinking US.
IMPORTANT CONFERENCE.
We have to be patient with America. But when they turn around Europe might be Russian!
No. Europe can defend itself against Russia.
If Ukraine has enough helicopters and jet fighters for sure Ukrainians would win in the war!
If Russia is not stopped and if America doesn't play its role gradually America may loose its world leadership and US Dollar may also loose its acceptance all over the globe in course of time and that may the end of American financial leadership. Americans need to understand this act responsibly.
America not looking very good at this point. Using Ukraine as a political pawn to negotiate immigration policy is actually wrong. More over you’re lecturing a continent that has also struggled with overwhelming migration and now houses refugees from Ukraine? Taking 2 weeks off in the midst of crisis? Lecturing others to increase defence spending when they have at this point given more support to Ukraine than has US? Also UK & EU have led the way in providing tanks, long range attack weaponry and commitment to provide F-16 fighter airframes? US has supplied allot of arms but as a percent of available supply maybe not? NATO members need to do more yet US is no longer in position to “lecture “ but maybe it’s time to walk the talk instead.