Sony FX Cameras Firmware Updates Rant - Significant Updates Come Too Late
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- Опубліковано 28 чер 2024
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As promised, here is a list of common frame rates and common shutter angles and the corresponding shutter speeds if you just want to copy and paste.
180 degrees
24 fps 1/48 (1/50)
30 fps 1/60
60 fps 1/120
120 fps 1/240
90 degrees (half as much light so double the shutter speed from 180 degree shutters)
24 fps 1/96
30 fps 1/120
60 fps 1/240
120 fps 1/480
45 degrees (half as much light as 90 degrees so double the values or quadruple the values from 180)
24 fps 1/192
30 fps 1/240
60 fps 1/480
120 fps 1/960
270 degrees
24 fps 1/32
30 fps 1/40
60 fps 1/80
120 fps 1/160
360 degrees
24 fps 1/24
30 fps 1/30
60 fps 1/60
120 fps 1/120
Chapter Markers
00:00 Does Sony risk upsetting people?
01:02 Sony firmware update schedule for 2024
02:34 What's the FX6 getting?
03:47 What are the FX3 & FX30 getting?
05:18 What's missing from the FX3/30 update?
06:44 Still waiting for a7SIII & a1
07:34 What's missing from a7SIII update?
08:27 Shutter angle is important
11:44 Rant. Why is Sony playing this game?
13:07 No new cameras in 2024?
14:56 They keep segmenting lines further & further - Фільми й анімація
Probably not 8 months, but I could see shutter angle taking some time to develop, particularly if it's designed so it's modular enough to be added across the different cameras/lines. That said, porting Breathing Compensation, or true 24p over to the a7S III shouldn't take 3+ years.... To me, the question is if they keep up with updates on the a7 IV, a7R V, etc. over time - e.g. all of the modern Alpha bodies should get LUT support.
Dev here 👋, how long it takes depends on the features, team size, quality assurance and hardware support. But Sony is massive so my guess is they prioritise future releases over existing releases.
Being able to assign Clear Image Zoom to an Assignable Button on the FX6 would be useful!
Sony was previously known as a company that never continuously updated its cameras with firmware. I think they have no choice since the competition has those options already. These options and open gate should have already been there.
They did this to their x900H tvs too. They said they would bring VRR and other features. And like 2 years later it was half assed. So i got a TV expecting these full features but that wasnt the case.
your intro has the correct lenght :)
Thanks...?
Am a software developer. Am on day 3 on writing a loading-spinner in javascript lol. I might use a week. More advanced stuff like things that are done in realtime might take much longer to develop and test. While you change settings, other parts are supposed to work at the same time, and it isn't good if something that was supposed to take 1/50 of a second suddenly take 1/60 of a second for instance, when you click that button. Maybe they can take movie and photo at many different settings, like f-stop, iso etc and have a computer go through the data and see that it is correct. There should be a test-regime in place. But there are also third party product like lenses that interact with the camera in realtime, so for certain functions, it could be quite demanding to get everything right.
Great work!
You’re absolutely right about this ❤
Love the video bro. Random question tho, how are you hanging the pavotubes?
Thanks. They come with metal hoops that fit through holes in the ends of the tube. I just hang the hoops on picture hanging nails
As a new fx3 owner it is frustrating as hell to be waiting for these basic features like this, and its good to see those thoughts being voiced by others. Sonys so transparent with their weird ass choices and it sucks.
But you bought it, knowing it hasn't those features. And now - shortly after you bought your camera - they provide you with new features. For me this sounds fair ...
@eike.zender I appreciate them for providing the features at all and would have bought the camera regardless. Doesnt change the fact that a "cine" camera should have had shutter angle and false color from the beginning. It's amazing even without them and well worth its cost, but it is a strange and see through exclusion which I'm glad they are fixing.
@eike.zender like I said it's a great camera either way and has immense value even without them. And yeah it is fair and good for it to be upgraded now. But that doesn't make it not silly or transparent that it could have had these features from the start and only now is receiving them when they are very important to what make sa "cine" cam "cine"
@@FireflysinthegrassBut again, you bought it knowing it didn't have it.
@SuperPhunThyme100 yes because even without those features I don't see any other camera which meets my needs half as well for that price. But it doesn't change the fact that they are important cine features and it is especially silly given their inclusion down the line that they were not present from the beginning. Lacking them is just a minor annoyance but very odd for a camera marketed and sold as specifically a cinema cam
This is random, but I like the angle you used for this video regarding your recording space, lol. I am happy we are FINALLY getting shutter angel for the FX3. I was NEVER planning on letting it go for its shortcomings but its nice to know that extra money I put into it finally paid off.
Not random. I really appreciate it!
What’s lame is the FX3 and A7S3 are the same camera. At least were when the FX3 launched. It has been given so many updates and has left the A7S3 in the dust. As a person that owns 2 A7S3 cameras this pisses me off that I spent over $7000 on this cameras and have been given very little support on firmware updates. My Canon R5 is my go to now and am hoping the R5ii will crush with dynamic range. If bye bye Sony!!
Very valid comment, totally agree.
Love this rant in its totality.
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0:50 I doubt very much that, when they announce a software update, that they haven't already coded it and implemented it in cameras to test it. I bet that is pure marketing, they could release it tomorrow if they wanted.
If there's only a team that handles firmware update, it's reasonable timeline considering Sony has rolled out firmware after firmware. Not the mention all firmware for their new cameras. I don't really care about shutter angle, I just use math. What I want is open gate for their cine line.
Software developer here. Developing new firmware isn’t an easy task, and I’m impressed Sony can get this firmware out within 8 months. Firmware, unlike general software, cannot be buggy because it can damage the hardware. In other words, Sony isn’t making their customers beta test with their expensive hardware.
MacOS Sonoma has been out for three months and they still haven't updated the Sony Imaging Edge software to be compatible. So in the meantime it can't be used as a camera for the Mac. 👎
Yikes. Maybe that's why it's taking 8 months for these updates, Sony doesn't have enough software developers...
Your table doesn't take into account shooting frame rates in different Hz locations . Speed is much easier to work with in this regard than working out 172.8 and 144 degrees in your head . Auto 180 degrees is often not what you want and will end up with a whole load of newbies, thinking they will get "cinematic " footage , but will end up with a ton of flicker all over their rushes . Whats needed in the fx3 is clear scan . There are so many people who think shutter angle will make their footage look different from speed , it wont it will be exactly the same . Albeit ruined by flicker if they set 180 instead of 172.8 or 144, instead of just having to remember 1/50th and 1/60th .
Well my point was that people shouldn't be so rigid in thinking their footage has to be 180 all the time. I mentioned "reasons" that one might want to deviate from 180, and flickering lights is definitely one of those reasons. Syncro scan absolutely would be a useful feature just like the Panasonic cameras have
@@PhillipRPeck True sir . I just wonder why everyone and his dog has been going on about shutter angle as this vital missing component for a "cine camera " , and unfortunately a lot of newbies actually think their footage will look different and magically be "cinematic ". But hardly anyone mentions lack of clear scan , that can totally ruin a whole location .
@@robinprobyn1971 Oh yeah, I did leave out the PAL World didn't I?
your superpower might be having common sense, which is super rare these days on youtube, so, congrats!
Lol, thank you
I got ripped on in the comments section for asking for these things you're talking about on another channel. So annoying
I wouldn't worry about it too much. There are a lot of ding dongs out there
shutter angle isn't significant update and wait for this until sept 2024 hmmmmm. no , gracias. Would rather buy Lumix s5II for 1450 $ now on a sale
No, absolutely not. Not 8 months... As a software engineer, I'm fairly certain a company as reputable as Sony would not publish a press release without consulting the developers. That likely means the developers already have a proof-of-concept. 8 months? That's a lot of sandbagging.
But my argument is that these people bought these cameras, KNOWING they didn't have these features....so how can they be mad?
Because Sony is adding features to other cameras
I think considering a firmware update can brick a camera, there is probably a lot of risk carried by Sony management.
You're perceptive but (understandably) diplomatic about Sony's behavior: it's cynical and entirely motivated by their accounting department/executive suits, product tiering as usual, fantasizing that it increases their margins (even though it doesn't in liberalized modern capitalism where those Mad Men games just don't work anymore).
And yet these "upgrades" are pretty trivial: shutter angle is a pretty easy calculation to make in less than one second always (e.g., 180 degrees is doubling the denominator), and focus breathing is a Philip Bloom fetish that ignores the legacy of INTENTIONAL focus breathing in formal cinematography. Then: what skilled cinematographer ever shoots an entire project with one lens and focal length? Possible but rare - thus the fantasy of using an anamorphic lens is usually naive.
where I think Sony are going to come unstuck is in their software, they truly are atrocious. Be it their apps, the phone to camera connectivity, firmware and user interface and camera functionality they are mediocre at best. Although the likes ofInsta or DJI don’t have the sensor tech that Sony does, they can do an Apple or Google and use computing and AI software to disrupt the market.
Another missing is more and more filming is done run and gun or solo so the FX line needs either a EVF or they need to ensure the A1 and a7Siii is FX like. I have the A1, a7Siii and they often get embarrassed by my ZV-E1. Just my humble opinion.
Haha, he sucks at math. Sony didn't give shutter angle becuase of the math, which they are good at. No dude they charged too little for A7s3, not the other way around, again the math thing. Be happy they even put a 35mm full frame sensor in the cam, period. Sure it cost a lot of money, but can be earned again and again.
sony is trash.great hardware, shltty software and marketing