One thing I would disagree with during your guys' discussion of the Five Kage Summit fights, you talk about Kakashi being winded after using Kamui once, and don't get me wrong, it is taxing for him to use even at that point, BUT in the Pain fight which obviously takes place before the Summit, he uses it twice (near death might I add). So, he's already been through a full fight, he says to Choji's dad that he's used about half of his remaining chakra as it is when they come to help, THEN he uses Lightning Blade afterwards. He then gets blasted away by Pain and is extremely fatigued and injured, and then uses Kamui TWICE in quick succession. Granted, it does kill him, but he still did it. So, depending on how a fight against Sasuke goes, I would wager that he can use Kamui at least three times at full strength by the time of the Summit. Now, whether he uses it in character that many times, it's debatable. A big thing is if you believe that Kamui bypasses the Susanoo, and I'm not sure if there is definitive proof in either direction. I personally think it can because it has no travel time, it just appears where the user deems it to.
@@Dirtysanchez27 and sasuke susanno and madaras truth seeking orbs are in two different classes of power and ninjustu so he can still do it going off your logic because jubito which is weaker than jubi Madara was able to put a hole through a much stronger sasuke susanno so make it makes sense 😂 oh wait you can't 😬
The thing is gedo mazo was a psychical thing not chakra construct like sussanoo or Kurama avatar…he can kamui it out but whats stopping Sasuke from re manifesting it
@@FddcbhFfg what are you even talking about 😂 no offense but that has nothing to do with what I was talking about and we never see Sasuke use the gedo mazo because it's sealed with Kaguya in a different dimension
Kabuto commenting on Sasuke's aura doesn't mean they scale to the same level lol. That Kabuto would've beat that Sasuke 9 out of 10. It's always been clear in the series that skill >> raw power
I agree. Kabuto being intimidated doesn't mean Sasuke is actually that powerful. Kabuto knows that Sasuke is important to Orochimaru, so he can't do anything to this kid regardless of any power gap. That said, Sasuke might be able to one-shot Kabuto with Chidori, since it matched Naruto's Rasengan. Kabuto wouldn't let him use Chidori though
@@joaov.candido8399 he didn't want smoke with Sasuke because he didn't want smoke with Orochimaru who wanted Sasuke alive and feeling powerful. If Oro gave the order, pt1 Kabuto would smoke pt1 Sasuke.
Jonin Sensei Kakashi is a nerf compared to Ambu. He's stated he was lacking in his training when he was climbing that mountain during the chunin exams. Ambu wins against curse mark 2 bc he kept up his training & he's still in that killer mindset. And kabuto is not as fast. He can tank hits like the rasengan.
Technically Sasuke and Kakashi had three natures after obtaining their Sharingan, since they both had Yin Release to cast genjutsu. Rin no Sho and other sources suggest Sasuke was already at the chūnin level even before he was out of the Academy. Kakashi was twelve when he became jōnin; The Battle of Kannabai Bridge is directly stated to be thirteen years before the end of Part I in Tō no Sho, and it was in that battle that he was promoted. Give or take one year for Kakashi's age during Part I (26-27), and he could not possibly been any younger than twelve. 神無毘橋の戦い●約十三年前、第三次忍界大戦時に起こった局 ページさんしょう 地戦。(8P参照) Battle of Kannabi Bridge ● A ground battle that occurred that took place about thirteen years ago during the Third Shinobi World War. Sasuke's speed is compared to base weightless Lee, though his actual power seems to be much greater. Sasuke having more potent chakra than Kabuto does not mean he is stronger than him. Naruto's chakra when releasing Kurama is much greater than Kakashi's, but Kakashi is likely still a more viable combatant. It likewise seems unlikely that Sasuke had already eclipsed Part I Kakashi, Konoha's strongest shinobi, who is comparable to Kabuto. Kakashi also had no idea Haku had a kekkei genkai when he made that assertion, and generally likely had no idea what his power actually was (he tends to underestimate himself). Sasuke can only use the Cursed Seal of Heaven for a few minutes by this point, so it would not take long for Kakashi to bring him to exhaustion. Kabuto has the Yin Healing Wound Destruction which took a Rasengan to overwhelm, so he might be able to withstand a Raikiri (jutsu activation speed is much faster than a user's physical movement speed). Itachi was running out of chakra and likely did not manifest the Yata Mirror when Kirin struck, so that does not really scale Kirin anywhere. It did not even fully destroy the Uchiha Hideout as the Eight Branches further crushed it. The Kirin is not said to be the ultimate Lightning Release, either, it is said Sasuke tried to create it with that mind, not that he inherently succeeded. Yamato was confident he could have actually killed Sasuke if he stopped holding back, with the implication is that not going at him with killer intent actually dulled his overall combat ability, and Kakashi is a tier above even that. Kakashi might also be able to copy Kirin if Sasuke tries it since it is actually modeled off of his technique, and negate it. Kakashi was confident that he could withstand Itachi's genjutsu with is own and it is only when he is overwhelmed with Tsukuyomi that this is proven false, which may suggest his regular genjutsu would not be enough, and in turn, neither would Sasuke's. Strength and speed increase is not needed for Sasuke to be confident in killing Itachi. Sasuke's plan was just to exhaust Itachi then use Kirin to kill him when he no longer has enough chakra left to avoid it. This was accomplished primarily using Orochimaru's Substitution after Itachi used chakra-taxing jutsu such as Amaterasu. None of this actually requires sufficiently greater, more so stamina/endurance which Orochimaru did grant him. These two factors (abilities/substition, and recovery rate) are the two factors, greater strength is never said, and Sasuke actually is suppressing Orochimaru with his own chakra. Gaara's sand could have grown faster after he managed to sleep following the loss of Ichibi, negating that scaling chain through Deidara. Sasuke is suggested to not really reach the Sannin level until some way through the Gokage Kaidan given his performance against the Kage there, and Kakashi was able to intercept the Chidori from this stronger Sasuke at the summit, not long after the Pain arc. Hebi's greater stamina is moot when he might not have the means to outlast Kakashi before he gets desperate and uses Kamui. Sasuke cannot use Orochimaru's power, he is suppressing it with his own chakra, and he loses the suppression Orochimaru would then emerge and without the likes of the Blade of Totsuka, Sasuke would likely be dead, essentially. The Snake Substitution eats heavily into Sasuke's stamina, and would not work if Sasuke's entire body is warped away. Naruto noted he was ramping up Kyūbi Mode's speed as he was trying to get past the Raikage. At full speed it clears the Raikage's full speed, so the Raikage's suppressed speed is even less than that. Sasuke was struggling to keep up once A went to full speed. Obito was able to sense the build-up of Amaterasu in Sasuke's eye and put up a block before the Amaterasu was actually fired/manifested (just flicking his staff). An Earth Wall or what have ye could easily do the same, here (A has no means of anticipating Blaze Release, conversely, since he is not a sensor of that sort). Sasuke ran out of stamina in the Gokage Kaidan multiple times and needed to have it restored. He was almost collapsing in pain when he noted all of his cells were in agony. Even with Kamui, I think Kakashi might actually be able to outlast Sasuke due to the rate at which the Uchiha burns through his reserves. Danzō was able to activate ninjutsu in response to the Susanoo arrow flying at him, the arrow Kakashi had to warp away was from a more developed Sharingan, and that one went blind immediately after (so if against that one, he wins by default). Id est, against the slightly slower arrow, he might be able to move himself slightly out of the way with an Earth Wall or other such substitution (see him doing so against Pain). Kakashi's second use of Kamui against Deidara's Suicide Clone not only warped away the clone, but even pulled in the explosion. Yes, it would still be precise after a second use, and Sasuke might end up going blind before Kakashi collapses. The Sharingan has a telescopic effect as shown against Deidara and in the first Sasuke Shinden novel, so Kakashi could almost certainly see Sasuke in the Susanoo's forehead, if he could even manifest it at that time (which he likely could not). Kakashi was able to rip half of the entire Gedō Mazō using Kamui. It would not be difficult to rip the entire head of the Susanoo off, as well. His Lightning Cable was also able to tear through Version 2 tails and bind the Gedō Mazō, so he might also be able to cut through the Susanoo. Kurama Mode Minato is never stated to be inferior to Kurama Mode Naruto. He is visually compared to Kurama Sage Mode, in fact, who is superior to an earlier version of Eternal Mangekyō Sasuke. Kakashi might have purposefully dropped his Susanoo to make Kaguya think she pierced him before stabbing her. Kakashi with just a bit of Kurama's chakra was able to warp away the entirety of Hachibi, so with Six Paths he might just warp away all nine bijū if Sasuke tries pulling chakra from them.
Genin sasuke loses to kid kakashi Ce sasuke with beats kid kakashi Cm2 sasuke destroys kid kakashi Part 1 kakashi destroys every kid sasuke Hebi sasuke with cm2 destroys kakashi Taka sasuke loses unless he gets amaterasu off Ms kage summit sasuke destroys by spamming amaterasu or susanoo arrows that kakashi cannot dodge instead has to use chakrs for kamui making him tired Ems sasuke destroys any kakashi until dms Dms destroys any sasuke until sasuke gets his rinnegone Rinnegone sasuke no diffs any version of kakashi at the same time Same for sasuke the last Same for adult rinnegone Same for single ems sasuke
Let’s not forget Kakashi sniped a rinnegan rocket that was aimed at Choji as he was sprinting away. Right after he Kamui sniped a nail aimed at his dome without Pain, who has a Rinnegan, noticing. So I really think it’s Kamui ggs every time pain arc and after
I think Sasuke has the ability to use the perfect Susano he just doesn't have the chakra for it and doesn't know he could do it it could be the fact that like the normal mangekyo that the eternal mangekyo you have to use it for a bit to be able to use the perfect Susano.
11:30 Kabuto did tank A superior jutsu in the Rasengan, granted he didn't have enough chakra to fully heal from it using the Yin Healing Wound Destruction
@@2_loko Because he states he didn't have enough chakra to heal the damage implying he could have survived under normal circumstances, as opposed to after having ran through Tsunade and Shizune is all I'm saying. There's A good precent for Kabuto surviving A Chidori if he has enough chakra although this is more debatable and depends on where he gets hit, if it's his heart he's gone for sure
True, but raikiri is a piercing attack and its wounds much more severe. I don't think Kabuto is physically relative to Kakashi though, unless not without taking his soldier pills. A hit and run tactic wouldn't work on Kakashi and even less his blood strategy. It makes sense though, Kakashi is an elite soldier and Kabuto is an elite spy, while being on the same tier as shinobi, their fighting ability is not the same
@@ThePrinceofRainVT Wrong, Kabuto states that kind of healing takes all of his chakra to perform regardless. Also, while the Rasengan is more of a brute force attack, the Raikiri is for piercing. So Kabuto can regenerate quickly from the continuous rotation of the Rasengan, but the same likely wouldn’t apply to the stab wound of the Chidori since he cannot actually increase his own durability.
@@acualancer4619 I mean unless you can demonstrate Jiraiya knows how strong Kabuto is after he ingests the plasma pill, then Kabuto would just be required to be relative to Kakashi based off Jiraiya’s statement.
28:19 Kage Summit Sasuke being KCM1 level in speed is absurd. KCM1 Naruto out speeds the full-power Raikage, in 544 he states that he was using a full powered punch, and Naruto dodges it. Sasuke doesn't react to the Raikage at all once he goes full power, only keeping up with the nerfed version of the Raikage. Kage Summit Sasuke is nowhere near KCM1 Naruto levels of speed.
I think the only thing I don’t agree with is SASUKE with all the biju is the strongest character in the series and only loses to Naruto due to the counter ability to wind vs lightning style. His AP is definitely the highest in the anime/manga even if only for a panel. 😂 But EMS Kakashi is OP.
Speed wise I suppose yeah, plus the fact that he can dura-neg... Plus he has semi-invunerability(due to Kamui). Complete Susanoo Sasuke should still be alot stronger in terms of AP(as you've stated), and general defense and durability... As well as stamina. DMS Kakashi only truly fought for maybe a minute or 2 probably, we dont know the extent of his stamina. I'd argue Complete Susanoo Sasuke would've lasted ALOT longer had he not used Indra's Arrow.
I gotta gripe about the Haku comparison 6:50 only because Haku was fatigued from overusing the ice mirrors for so long (that’s why Sasuke could tag Haku with the fireball jutsu). And even then Haku stood right up after getting punched by that Naruto and suffered no real damage. So even if that Naruto was stronger it wasn’t by all that much
An interesting feat Kakashi has is copying jutsus, and knowing that kirin is just bending natural electricity Kakashi could do the same (he bents water, using electricity should be easier) so he could just disturb Sasuke's control over the kirin, maybe even revert it. Edit: Also, Kakashi could chase Deidara, that is a very impressive speed level, specially considering that they didn't use shunshin, they were giving chase, not using full speed, more like a marathon, Kakashi's speed is heavily underrated (his speed is most likely the same than on the war arc), he can also open at least the fist gate. However, I doubt Kakashi can use kamui through Sasuke's susanoo
Hebi Sasuke vs Pain arc Kakashi: Sasuke is more likely to go bloodlust than Kakashi due to regret and failure of his student. Are we forgetting that Sasuke has curse mark still, he can just swipe that out and that'll definitely be enough to avoid Kamui regardless of intel. How will Kakashi deal with Sasuke's snakes???? He dogs would get stomp, and him using Kamui on his snakes would leave him open for Sasuke to attack as he can't spam it in the war arc. Sasuke takes that 8/10
Question: I really wonder, as the tailed beasts often have certain chakra natures and kekkei genkai, which does kurama have? I think I read on narutopedia or somethin that its wind and fire (probably reasoned as on the ninetails attack he boasts flame like bursts and during the pain fight vreates tornados...). Bro do you know maybe?
Indra Sasuke vs DMS Kakashi: This fight is actually pretty tuff, not gonna lie, but I would like to clarify something. Kakashi's time limit is 3 mintues, if not 3 in a half mintues. You can pull up the episode and do the math yourself, but it's not 5 mintues. I don't Kakashi can Kamui something that huge and fast. It took him about 2 seconds to Kamui one of Kaguya's arms that was gonna hit Sakura, Amenotejikara is instantaneous. Amenotejirkara faster than Kamui, so Sasuke can use that any time he's about to get sniped and he can spam it more than Kakashi can spam Kamui. Sasuke should have no problem outlasting Kakashi, plus Kakashi isn't hitting Sasuke with anything either🤷🏾♂️. Sasuke's Indras Susanno teleportation is enough to dodge Kamui shurikens.
I have one reason to say Hebi Sasuke is definitely not KCM fast.. and it's that sick af Itachi beat the absolute breaks off of him in Taijutsu. Homeboy used Sasuke's own sword as a springboard to kick him in the teeth, and it wasn't a reaction it was setup entirely by Itachi. Then Edo Itachi is shown to be on par with a KCM1 who was also holding back.
Am I the only one that thinks that war arc kakashi is what he should have always been? What I mean is that I feel that all the feats that he has from that arc is what he should've been able to do from the beginning of the series I say this because if you remember, part 1 kakashi was able to use multi shadow clone after the zabuza fight so because of that I feel that because he did that it implies that kakashi has a larger chakra pool than he and everyone else realizes.
Assuming Sasuke takes straight Ls in part 1 and Ws the rest of the video. That isn't even Sasuke Wank, Kishimoto just made him too powerful for certain parts of the story.
@@2_loko base Minato handily defeated Obito whom he believed Naruto needed Kurama to do. He's faster than KCM 1 and performed better against Obito. When is KCM 2 Naruto stated to be superior to Minato? The only statement he has of being better is when handling Kurama’s chakra
@@diamantemrobinson Not necessarily, Minato essentially gave Naruto the Nine Tails so that he’d have a built-in shortcut to massive power, but it’s never once stated that Naruto (in Sage Mode) currently wasn’t strong enough to defeat the version of Obito that Minato fought. In the Fourth Databook entry for “Kurama Link Mode,” Naruto and Kurama are called the strongest tag team duo. Minato is also listed as a part of this file, and he obviously is part of a team with his own half of Kurama.
@@2_loko Minato gave Naruto Kurama expressly to defeat the mask man. He says it when naruto is a baby and reaffirms it when he redos Naruto's seal when fighting Pain. So no Naruto even in sage mode was not capable of defeating Obito to Minato. As Minato stated the mask man was still more powerful than Pain. The databook is filled with hyperbole and certain things within it contradict the manga. Minato in base is factually confirmed in the manga to be faster than KCM 1 and on par with KCM 2. His rasengan is on par with powered up Naruto's and etc. KCM Minato is on par with KCM 2 Naruto in power and vastly above him in speed.
@@diamantemrobinson Nope, you should reread the chapter. Minato never said that Naruto wasn’t currently strong enough to win, he only refers to the past whenever he talks about Naruto ‘needing’ the Nine Tails. Minato also never said Obito was more powerful than Pain, but rather Obito was manipulating Pain by using the darkness in his heart (which is what Madara taught him to do). KCM Minato cannot be “vastly above KCM2 Naruto” in speed, the statement requires them to be relative at the very least (with Naruto being some amount stronger obviously). Any other interpretation would end up with KCM Minato outspeeding/blitzing KCM2 Naruto, in which it would be impossible for Naruto to be stronger than him. So, unless you can find a real way to debunk the statement instead of trying to wave it away, KCM2 Naruto > KCM Minato.
Sasuke speed blitzed so6p Naruto in the manga. So sasuke is also a blitz tier above Kakashi just in pure movement speed. I really just feel like DMS Kakashi is ALL hacks I don’t think I really scales on that six paths level in terms of strength. Like I don’t think he can realistically throw hands with sasuke he’s going to have to bet it all on a kamui snipe which I just don’t see working on sasuke.
@@logicalityztm6759 umm yes kaguya got speed blitzed by sakura and Kakashi…. Naruto should have far greater reaction and perception than kaguya. In fact Naruto’s perception speed should be faster than anyones.
EMS Sasuke vs War Kakashi: Are you serious???? Are you comparing Sasuke's speed to a truth seeking orb???? Sasuke was reacting to Juubito and blizted blind sage Madara. Kakashi is not Kamui snipping none of them. And that alone shows that Sasuke is faster than Kakashi. So Kakashi can't Kamui snipe him, Sasuke isn't just gonna stand there. We have never seen him Kamui snipe someone that fast, and if Sasuke cuts close quarters, genjutsu. EMS>MS, Sasuke has the stronger ocular prowess. I see Kakashi winning this unless Sasuke is just mad stupid. Sasuke mid difs at most
Let me say this again: Kabuto was NOWHERE near Kakashi’s level in the original series. It’s just a tough cover for Kabuto. If Kakashi really went for it, what would Kabuto have done about it? Absolutely nothing. Prove me wrong.
18:10 bro said hebi sasuke was KCM level speed 😂 deidara might have been dodging garra’s sand but does everyone forget there is a thing called TRAINING and GETTING STRONGER AND FASTER that is what garra did
Never understood y ppl think Sasuke didn't get any buffs after absorbing orochimaru. Because obviously if orochimaru absorbed Sasuke he would clearly get stronger as well. It would be almost completely pointless if all that happened was orochimaru just had the sharingan n nothing else 😂
Kirin is not that hard for a master of Lightening. Its not a Kekkai Genkai. What's to stop someone who copied 1000 jutsu and copied zabuza's jutsu at the same time from copying kirin which is a jutsu which would serve kakashi better since he doesn't have a lot of chakra.
Link from legend of Zelda could beat one of these Sasuke's my dude if you play the games there are some versions that kakashi and Sasuke can beat but some can't
Kakashi is obviously stronger than Sasuke in Part 1 MS Sasuke, at full strength should be stronger than Kakashi, but he was pretty tired from fighting danzo, and on the verge of going blind, so Full Power Kakashi should've been able to beat him. DMS Kakashi Shits on Rinnegan Sasuke, Like 2 Friggin Kamui Eyes, Obito's Invincible power, that can only be countered by a space time Jutsu that Sasuke didn't have, and also DMS Kakashi has a Susanoo, Armed with Kamui Shuriken, that's some pure Ninja Stuff, compared to Sassy K's wannabe God Arrows. Kakashi could have beaten Kaguya if not for her damn Regen, and the only way of defeating her is the Chubaku Tensei seal from the Sun And Moon Seal. Kakashi Supremacy.
Kid Jonin Kakashi (2 tomoe)>>> 2 Tomoe Sasuke Early Anbu Kakashi>> Valley of End Sasuke ( I don’t think kabuto point is enough to say this version of Sasuke is above kakashi. That statement doesn’t hold much weight to me because based off of what we see from Kakashi and Kabuto they are not equals.) Beginning Of shippuden Sasuke>>>>Kakashi beginning of Shippuden (hard to even say how strong he is) Kakashi(Pain Arc) vs Hebi Sasuke too close to call they both have great showing against high tier Akatsuki members but I do think Itachi> Pain so id probably edge Sasuke BUT he can 100% get killed Kamui since Sasuke doesn’t know anything about it so I’m legit stuck. I like that you guys brought up Kakashi’s mind state because that matters. I think this legit goes either way but I’ll go Sasuke 6 times out of 10. 5 Kage Summit: basically if Kakashi wants to kill Sasuke he would win this but if not and it becomes a drawn out fight then Sasuke probably beats Kakashi. The problem is Sasuke not thinking clearly at all and I think that’s a bad thing to do going against Kakashi who always level headed. Yes I do think Kakashi can Kamui Amaterasu since characters who can dodge Amaterasu can’t react or dodge Kamui. If they both start off 100 chakra Sasuke outlast Kakashi unless he Kamui’s Sasuke but he probably won’t do that if he isn’t trying to kill. Sasuke 6 times out of 10. War Arc Kakashi vs EMS Sasuke🔥🔥🔥id pay kishimoto to make this fight man😭🤣 I think this goes to Kakashi 6 times out of 10 for all the same reasons yall said. I think Kakashi can get around the Susanoo and Amaterasu enough times to land lethal blows to Sasuke extremely high difficulty. DMS Kakashi vs Rinnegan Sasuke? Probably Kakashi lol
3T Sasuke>>>Kid Jounin Kakashi Part 1 Kakashi is literally a joke! Kabuto was his equal by Orochimaru (the same who make Kakashi shit the pants) & Jiraiya (someone Copy Ninja admit to be weaker) We see the 4 Eyes destroy Tsunade in a fight and even wanted to fight Jiraiya EMS Sasuke is totally above WA Kakashi by feats and it's not even funny I'm talking about both with his own powers! No Kurama or Jugo Senjutsu. War Arc Rinnegan Sasuke too defeat DMS Kakashi VOTE 2 Sasuke Adult Sasuke is stronger than DMS Kakashi
@@ChristianCaliberNetworkbecause it fits his fighting style better that’s part of the reason why he taught it to sasuke becuase he said they were a lot alike
@@ChristianCaliberNetworkLol the Rasengan is not superior to the Chidori. Chidori is superior, it kills the opponents outright while Rasengan injures the opponent at most. Chidori is much better for finishing the enemy because it pierces the enemies heart
@@jackm.1628 it’s clearer in the manga than in the anime that he was depressed and not having an outlet like the anbu made it worse and he got rusty. Another reason why he said “eventually they will catch up to me if I don’t get myself together and keep improving “ after the interaction with Kabuto and observing what the younger generations potential looked to be.
DMS Kakashi definitely beats Rinnegan Sasuke, because Kakashi can do any rikudou jutsu because of acquiring sixth paths chakra. ❤❤❤❤ Why you think Sasuke ask Naruto to give him his Rinnegan so they can undo everything!!!🎉 💯
@@takatotakasui8307 does Not matter because He can See him, He would fokus on the Person and Not on the head of the susannoo. It is Not amaterasu which flys toward you, it just apeares no matter where, it is still a time space ninjutsu.
If his kamii can work on the geto statue I believe it can work on susano as well I mean it’s opening up a pocket dimension and sending whatever the user wants there I don’t know how a susano just blocks that the user would have to dodge it just like it minato had sasuke marked he could teleport inside his susano
Sasuke admits inferiority to Orochimaru AFTER absorbing Oro, so Sasuke gaining confidence to fight Itachi because he absorbed Oro wouldn't make sense. It's pretty much a plot hole. Also, people seem to forget that Kakashi is Gai's rival and the Mangekyou is more than just Kamui. Sasuke wasn't the only one who trained after the time skip. Even early shippuuden Kakashi beats Hebi Sasuke.
Kakashi couldn't even put BOS Naruto & Sakura down after a whole day of fight. Neither could do nothing against a 30% clone of Itach with Naruto's help Failed against a Deidara who was without a 1 arm after the fight against Gaara and tired for 3 days and 3 nights to seal Shukaku even with Naruto again there to help him. Don't mention he was scared of 2 Tails Naruto LMAO Meanwhile, BOS Sasuke literally after wake up literally play with both Naruto & Sakura and put Sai & Yamato down with too much easy. Sick Orochimaru the same one who fight against Naruto (1 - 4 Tails) say that 3 Tails Naruto is nothing before Sasuke. Btw, Orochimaru himself too admit BOS Sasuke to be more troublesome than him to Sai. Then, you have Sasuke fight against this sick Orochimaru who end up lost both battles to young Uchiha. Sasuke alone defeat a 100% Deidara who had help from Obito... the same Akatsuki member Kakashi couldn't put down with Naruto's help and don't mention the artist was injury and tired from Gaara fight and seal Shukaku. Hebi Sasuke too end up fight against a stronger Itachi than a fucking 30% clone who Kakashi recognize he couldn't take by himself and ask Naruto to fight with him lol BOS & Hebi Sasuke destroy BOS Kakashi!
@joaov.candido8399 This is part of the problem. People exaggerate and leave out details, or get confused from anime filler, which gives the misconception of Sasuke being stronger than he really is. If we’re being fair, Sasuke has his share of impressive and lackluster feats. Kakashi was already a renowned shinobi and one of the strongest in Konoha before Sasuke was even born. He's considered to be a threat by multiple Akatsuki members, including Pain. Deidara lost an arm but said nothing about being tired or low on chakra after the ritual. Deidara was really just running away from Kakashi and stated that Naruto wasn’t much of a concern. If Deidara ran from Sasuke like he ran from Kakashi, what would Sasuke do differently in that situation better than Kakashi? When Sasuke fought team 7, Yamato clearly states he was holding back, and Naruto was struggling to resist Kurama, which gave Sasuke the opportunity to go in Naruto’s mind, so that’s not an impressive feat for Sasuke. Sasuke never truly defeated Oro. Oro could’ve ended Sasuke when he was paralyzed, but chose to body transfer instead. Sasuke overpowering the ritual with his “will” is barely explained. It’s just plot convenience, so that's not much of a feat either.
@@andrepayne4349 luckluster? If Sasuke was in Kakashi's situation with Deidara, he would have just used chidori senbon to snipe him outta the air, blitz with the cursed seal, or put down with genjutsu. As this other guy said, Kakashi was shitting his pants at 2 tails Naruto whereas oruchmaru who was just looking at three tails Naruto admitted Sasuke's complete superiority over him. Sasuke's feats are just better, he overpowered the culmination of all of oruchmaru's will and Chakra and managed to suppress him. That's what the white snake is, oruchmaru's pure chakra and power focused for the sake of suppressing the host body's will. Sasuke overcame oruchmaru's chakra outright and you can't say he was weaker due to sickness since he had already left his host body the rejection disease would not be affecting him. Hell the only reason he got into that situation in the first place was to absorb oruchmaru, he knew what his intentions were and outplayed him. Kakashi has nearly no feats that compare to Sasuke at this time. So what if he's guy's rival if he doesn't display the similar speed feats complaining to him until the war arc. It's like saying Naruto is on Sasuke's level and the beginning of Shippuden because they are rivals, it's a silly argument. Sasuke when still injured and having lost his CM and oruchmaru's chakra was reacting to VER1 bee who scales to VER1 raikage or even the VER2 depending on who you ask. Hebi Sasuke should just outscale taka Sasuke physically. Team 7 got beat so bad tsuande thought Sasuke was on drugs or something like that, they had no chance especially since Sasuke can suppress the nine tails with a glance. Sasuke Blitzed down towards them in base and no one could react to him not even Yamato, I don't think you can hold back your reaction time . That's if Yamato even says that considering the situation he is in why wouldn't he go full force from the beginning. Yamato could not react to Sasuke at all
@jiero3253 Your head canon for Sasuke vs Oro is extremely optimistic. The facts are Sasuke was paralyzed and could’ve lost to Oro easily, sick or not, makes no difference. Sasuke overpowering Oro’s jutsu with his “will” is a moot feat. For all we know, any Ninja of decent strength can do it, speaking of which, Kakashi had the “will” to survive Tsukuyomi, so who’s to say he couldn’t do it too? Same could be said for plenty of other characters. Plot convenience is not a good feat. Kakashi being “scared” of 2 tails Naruto is your opinion, especially when he never even implies or shows emotions of being scared. Maybe you’re looking at exaggerated anime filler, try looking at the manga. If Sasuke couldn’t blitz Deidara in an actual fight, then he’s not doing it if Deidara is running away. Sasuke had a hard time even touching Deidara who was floating right above him. Going by your own words, If he can just snipe him out the air, then why didn’t Sasuke just use chidori senbon? In part 1, do we ever see Kakashi move as fast as Rock Lee? Or lift weights as heavy as Lee? No, we don’t, yet we still know that Kakashi is leagues above Lee, because of status and various statements I shouldn’t need to say. Samething applies to Kakashi and Sasuke. Also, comparing Naruto and Sasuke as rivals is different because Naruto literally admits inferiority, but that’s not the case with Kakashi and Gai. Whether you like it or not it’s a fact that Yamato was holding back and Naruto was distracted, which makes it a lackluster feat for Sasuke. Sasuke would lose to Yamato and Naruto, and an argument can be made for Yamato being enough by himself, especially with Hashirama cells. You claim Hebi Sasuke’s feats are better, but you haven’t named one definitive feat that puts him over even early shippuuden Kakashi, so please, name some better feats.
CE Finals 2T Sasuke could defeat Kid Jounin Kakashi without Sharingan 3T Sasuke with or without CSM 2 too can win against a a Kid Jounin Sharingan Kakashi (2T or 3T) Sasuke's feats are literally better than Kakashi at age. Now, Part 1 Kakashi is obvious stronger than Part 1 Sasuke. But, in part 2, Sasuke was stronger than Kakashi since the start to the end. BOS Sasuke VS BOS Kakashi= Sasuke Hebi Sasuke VS IA Kakashi= Sasuke Taka Sasuke Vs Pain Kakashi= Sasuke FKS Sasuke Vs FKS Kakashi=Sasuke EMS Sasuke VS WA Kakashi= Sasuke Rinnegan Sasuke Vs DMS Kakashi= Sasuke VOTE 2, The Last & Adult Sasuke are stronger than DMS Kakashi too
Who’s cooler.. Kakashi or Sasuke??
Well definitely Kakashi.. I mean come on 🤷🏻♂️😂
Kakashi is probably cooler than 99% of the cast, come on
Kakashi is cooler than Sasuke and I can’t imagine him being no diff by Jigen and Isshiki
(Idc about proof. Boruto is mid cry)
@@acqualilly won’t even TRY to argue with you
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Sages love for Kakashi (invincible spear) vs Loko’s love for Sasuke (unbreakable shield)
Is that a Fullmetal Alchemist reference?? 😏💪🏻
@@TheLightningBlade You mean Goatmetal Alchemist?
@@hobbyhorse5848 you’re darn tootnin 😎💪🏻
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Kakashi taking Sasuke's arm when he does Kirin goes crazy
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One thing I would disagree with during your guys' discussion of the Five Kage Summit fights, you talk about Kakashi being winded after using Kamui once, and don't get me wrong, it is taxing for him to use even at that point, BUT in the Pain fight which obviously takes place before the Summit, he uses it twice (near death might I add). So, he's already been through a full fight, he says to Choji's dad that he's used about half of his remaining chakra as it is when they come to help, THEN he uses Lightning Blade afterwards. He then gets blasted away by Pain and is extremely fatigued and injured, and then uses Kamui TWICE in quick succession. Granted, it does kill him, but he still did it. So, depending on how a fight against Sasuke goes, I would wager that he can use Kamui at least three times at full strength by the time of the Summit. Now, whether he uses it in character that many times, it's debatable. A big thing is if you believe that Kamui bypasses the Susanoo, and I'm not sure if there is definitive proof in either direction. I personally think it can because it has no travel time, it just appears where the user deems it to.
After he says to Choji he already used half of his chakra, he used a earth style jutsu, 2 raikiris and 2 kamuy before the death
Kakashi supremacy
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Someone please tell sage that drake got cooked. Bro can't be reasoned with lol
I'm so glad You mentioned that Sasuke vs Kakashi fan animation, I love it
Right??? Should’ve been in the series!
@@TheLightningBlade For sure! It's my personal canon version of the fight XD
Kakashi can most definitely use kamui on the susanno to rip it apart if he could do it against Madara's truth seeking orbs
That's not even the same kakashi, huge difference in the kamui mastery
@@Dirtysanchez27 and sasuke susanno and madaras truth seeking orbs are in two different classes of power and ninjustu so he can still do it going off your logic because jubito which is weaker than jubi Madara was able to put a hole through a much stronger sasuke susanno so make it makes sense 😂 oh wait you can't 😬
The thing is gedo mazo was a psychical thing not chakra construct like sussanoo or Kurama avatar…he can kamui it out but whats stopping Sasuke from re manifesting it
@@FddcbhFfg what are you even talking about 😂 no offense but that has nothing to do with what I was talking about and we never see Sasuke use the gedo mazo because it's sealed with Kaguya in a different dimension
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This is arguably the greatest Sasuke vs Kakashi battle discussion on UA-cam.
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Kabuto commenting on Sasuke's aura doesn't mean they scale to the same level lol. That Kabuto would've beat that Sasuke 9 out of 10. It's always been clear in the series that skill >> raw power
I agree. Kabuto being intimidated doesn't mean Sasuke is actually that powerful. Kabuto knows that Sasuke is important to Orochimaru, so he can't do anything to this kid regardless of any power gap. That said, Sasuke might be able to one-shot Kabuto with Chidori, since it matched Naruto's Rasengan. Kabuto wouldn't let him use Chidori though
Kabuto wanted smoke with Kakashi, Tsunade and even Jiraiya back then on part 1.
But was scared by post VOTE 1 fight Sasuke's chakra lol
@@joaov.candido8399 he didn't want smoke with Sasuke because he didn't want smoke with Orochimaru who wanted Sasuke alive and feeling powerful. If Oro gave the order, pt1 Kabuto would smoke pt1 Sasuke.
@@joaov.candido8399Kabuto avoided a fight with Kakashi
Jonin Sensei Kakashi is a nerf compared to Ambu. He's stated he was lacking in his training when he was climbing that mountain during the chunin exams. Ambu wins against curse mark 2 bc he kept up his training & he's still in that killer mindset. And kabuto is not as fast. He can tank hits like the rasengan.
Aint no way you doughnuts said that dms kakashi beats rinnegan sasuke
Technically Sasuke and Kakashi had three natures after obtaining their Sharingan, since they both had Yin Release to cast genjutsu.
Rin no Sho and other sources suggest Sasuke was already at the chūnin level even before he was out of the Academy.
Kakashi was twelve when he became jōnin; The Battle of Kannabai Bridge is directly stated to be thirteen years before the end of Part I in Tō no Sho, and it was in that battle that he was promoted. Give or take one year for Kakashi's age during Part I (26-27), and he could not possibly been any younger than twelve.
神無毘橋の戦い●約十三年前、第三次忍界大戦時に起こった局 ページさんしょう 地戦。(8P参照)
Battle of Kannabi Bridge ● A ground battle that occurred that took place about thirteen years ago during the Third Shinobi World War.
Sasuke's speed is compared to base weightless Lee, though his actual power seems to be much greater.
Sasuke having more potent chakra than Kabuto does not mean he is stronger than him. Naruto's chakra when releasing Kurama is much greater than Kakashi's, but Kakashi is likely still a more viable combatant. It likewise seems unlikely that Sasuke had already eclipsed Part I Kakashi, Konoha's strongest shinobi, who is comparable to Kabuto. Kakashi also had no idea Haku had a kekkei genkai when he made that assertion, and generally likely had no idea what his power actually was (he tends to underestimate himself).
Sasuke can only use the Cursed Seal of Heaven for a few minutes by this point, so it would not take long for Kakashi to bring him to exhaustion.
Kabuto has the Yin Healing Wound Destruction which took a Rasengan to overwhelm, so he might be able to withstand a Raikiri (jutsu activation speed is much faster than a user's physical movement speed).
Itachi was running out of chakra and likely did not manifest the Yata Mirror when Kirin struck, so that does not really scale Kirin anywhere. It did not even fully destroy the Uchiha Hideout as the Eight Branches further crushed it. The Kirin is not said to be the ultimate Lightning Release, either, it is said Sasuke tried to create it with that mind, not that he inherently succeeded.
Yamato was confident he could have actually killed Sasuke if he stopped holding back, with the implication is that not going at him with killer intent actually dulled his overall combat ability, and Kakashi is a tier above even that. Kakashi might also be able to copy Kirin if Sasuke tries it since it is actually modeled off of his technique, and negate it.
Kakashi was confident that he could withstand Itachi's genjutsu with is own and it is only when he is overwhelmed with Tsukuyomi that this is proven false, which may suggest his regular genjutsu would not be enough, and in turn, neither would Sasuke's.
Strength and speed increase is not needed for Sasuke to be confident in killing Itachi. Sasuke's plan was just to exhaust Itachi then use Kirin to kill him when he no longer has enough chakra left to avoid it. This was accomplished primarily using Orochimaru's Substitution after Itachi used chakra-taxing jutsu such as Amaterasu. None of this actually requires sufficiently greater, more so stamina/endurance which Orochimaru did grant him. These two factors (abilities/substition, and recovery rate) are the two factors, greater strength is never said, and Sasuke actually is suppressing Orochimaru with his own chakra.
Gaara's sand could have grown faster after he managed to sleep following the loss of Ichibi, negating that scaling chain through Deidara.
Sasuke is suggested to not really reach the Sannin level until some way through the Gokage Kaidan given his performance against the Kage there, and Kakashi was able to intercept the Chidori from this stronger Sasuke at the summit, not long after the Pain arc.
Hebi's greater stamina is moot when he might not have the means to outlast Kakashi before he gets desperate and uses Kamui.
Sasuke cannot use Orochimaru's power, he is suppressing it with his own chakra, and he loses the suppression Orochimaru would then emerge and without the likes of the Blade of Totsuka, Sasuke would likely be dead, essentially.
The Snake Substitution eats heavily into Sasuke's stamina, and would not work if Sasuke's entire body is warped away.
Naruto noted he was ramping up Kyūbi Mode's speed as he was trying to get past the Raikage. At full speed it clears the Raikage's full speed, so the Raikage's suppressed speed is even less than that. Sasuke was struggling to keep up once A went to full speed.
Obito was able to sense the build-up of Amaterasu in Sasuke's eye and put up a block before the Amaterasu was actually fired/manifested (just flicking his staff). An Earth Wall or what have ye could easily do the same, here (A has no means of anticipating Blaze Release, conversely, since he is not a sensor of that sort).
Sasuke ran out of stamina in the Gokage Kaidan multiple times and needed to have it restored. He was almost collapsing in pain when he noted all of his cells were in agony. Even with Kamui, I think Kakashi might actually be able to outlast Sasuke due to the rate at which the Uchiha burns through his reserves.
Danzō was able to activate ninjutsu in response to the Susanoo arrow flying at him, the arrow Kakashi had to warp away was from a more developed Sharingan, and that one went blind immediately after (so if against that one, he wins by default). Id est, against the slightly slower arrow, he might be able to move himself slightly out of the way with an Earth Wall or other such substitution (see him doing so against Pain).
Kakashi's second use of Kamui against Deidara's Suicide Clone not only warped away the clone, but even pulled in the explosion. Yes, it would still be precise after a second use, and Sasuke might end up going blind before Kakashi collapses.
The Sharingan has a telescopic effect as shown against Deidara and in the first Sasuke Shinden novel, so Kakashi could almost certainly see Sasuke in the Susanoo's forehead, if he could even manifest it at that time (which he likely could not). Kakashi was able to rip half of the entire Gedō Mazō using Kamui. It would not be difficult to rip the entire head of the Susanoo off, as well. His Lightning Cable was also able to tear through Version 2 tails and bind the Gedō Mazō, so he might also be able to cut through the Susanoo.
Kurama Mode Minato is never stated to be inferior to Kurama Mode Naruto. He is visually compared to Kurama Sage Mode, in fact, who is superior to an earlier version of Eternal Mangekyō Sasuke.
Kakashi might have purposefully dropped his Susanoo to make Kaguya think she pierced him before stabbing her.
Kakashi with just a bit of Kurama's chakra was able to warp away the entirety of Hachibi, so with Six Paths he might just warp away all nine bijū if Sasuke tries pulling chakra from them.
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That into is perfect XD Loko in enemy territory
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@@TheLightningBladecan you do Naruto vs kakashi every point in the series
@@tayveondavis2962 honestly wouldn’t be a bad idea
3 way??? Lmfao great vid bud you just gotta choose better words😂😂😂
Word for word bar for bar was hilarious 🤣 “they copied my whole susanoo”
He has three chakra natures in the chunīn exams. Water, fire, lightning releases. Plus he can use yin release as he uses genjutsu.
Water?
Sasuke doesn't have Water Style
@@takatotakasui8307post Hagaromo chakra he has every nature
@@manwithoutmercy Comment was talking about the chunin exams
Genin sasuke loses to kid kakashi
Ce sasuke with beats kid kakashi
Cm2 sasuke destroys kid kakashi
Part 1 kakashi destroys every kid sasuke
Hebi sasuke with cm2 destroys kakashi
Taka sasuke loses unless he gets amaterasu off
Ms kage summit sasuke destroys by spamming amaterasu or susanoo arrows that kakashi cannot dodge instead has to use chakrs for kamui making him tired
Ems sasuke destroys any kakashi until dms
Dms destroys any sasuke until sasuke gets his rinnegone
Rinnegone sasuke no diffs any version of kakashi at the same time
Same for sasuke the last
Same for adult rinnegone
Same for single ems sasuke
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Let’s not forget Kakashi sniped a rinnegan rocket that was aimed at Choji as he was sprinting away. Right after he Kamui sniped a nail aimed at his dome without Pain, who has a Rinnegan, noticing. So I really think it’s Kamui ggs every time pain arc and after
My three goats in one vid is such a vibe 🙏
By far the best recording! This video proves you can have different opinions on a topic.. and NOT get in a screaming session 😂😎
Loko the goat didn't dissapoint me about Sasuke
I think Sasuke has the ability to use the perfect Susano he just doesn't have the chakra for it and doesn't know he could do it it could be the fact that like the normal mangekyo that the eternal mangekyo you have to use it for a bit to be able to use the perfect Susano.
aww yea now we can see the battle of the sasuke glazers vs the kakashi chads
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Saskue glazers?😂
Drake Kendrick and Cole making a video 💯🔥🤣
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W video Kakashi and saskue are in my top 10 favorite charaters 🐐
Rinnegan saskue vs dms kakashi is just a stale mate until dms runs out saskue can teleport and change dimensions so
thank you bro!!
@@TheLightningBlade np
The two goats of the verse let's go
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11:30 Kabuto did tank A superior jutsu in the Rasengan, granted he didn't have enough chakra to fully heal from it using the Yin Healing Wound Destruction
Then he proceeded to collapse, which means he didn’t actually “tank” it. He just survived its effects.
@@2_loko Because he states he didn't have enough chakra to heal the damage implying he could have survived under normal circumstances, as opposed to after having ran through Tsunade and Shizune is all I'm saying. There's A good precent for Kabuto surviving A Chidori if he has enough chakra although this is more debatable and depends on where he gets hit, if it's his heart he's gone for sure
True, but raikiri is a piercing attack and its wounds much more severe.
I don't think Kabuto is physically relative to Kakashi though, unless not without taking his soldier pills. A hit and run tactic wouldn't work on Kakashi and even less his blood strategy. It makes sense though, Kakashi is an elite soldier and Kabuto is an elite spy, while being on the same tier as shinobi, their fighting ability is not the same
@@ThePrinceofRainVT Wrong, Kabuto states that kind of healing takes all of his chakra to perform regardless. Also, while the Rasengan is more of a brute force attack, the Raikiri is for piercing. So Kabuto can regenerate quickly from the continuous rotation of the Rasengan, but the same likely wouldn’t apply to the stab wound of the Chidori since he cannot actually increase his own durability.
@@acualancer4619 I mean unless you can demonstrate Jiraiya knows how strong Kabuto is after he ingests the plasma pill, then Kabuto would just be required to be relative to Kakashi based off Jiraiya’s statement.
28:19 Kage Summit Sasuke being KCM1 level in speed is absurd. KCM1 Naruto out speeds the full-power Raikage, in 544 he states that he was using a full powered punch, and Naruto dodges it. Sasuke doesn't react to the Raikage at all once he goes full power, only keeping up with the nerfed version of the Raikage. Kage Summit Sasuke is nowhere near KCM1 Naruto levels of speed.
I think the only thing I don’t agree with is SASUKE with all the biju is the strongest character in the series and only loses to Naruto due to the counter ability to wind vs lightning style. His AP is definitely the highest in the anime/manga even if only for a panel. 😂 But EMS Kakashi is OP.
Speed wise I suppose yeah, plus the fact that he can dura-neg... Plus he has semi-invunerability(due to Kamui).
Complete Susanoo Sasuke should still be alot stronger in terms of AP(as you've stated), and general defense and durability... As well as stamina. DMS Kakashi only truly fought for maybe a minute or 2 probably, we dont know the extent of his stamina. I'd argue Complete Susanoo Sasuke would've lasted ALOT longer had he not used Indra's Arrow.
Too bad he wasted the bijuu amp on indras arrow
Any version of Kakashi before the war arc gets smoked
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I gotta gripe about the Haku comparison 6:50 only because Haku was fatigued from overusing the ice mirrors for so long (that’s why Sasuke could tag Haku with the fireball jutsu). And even then Haku stood right up after getting punched by that Naruto and suffered no real damage. So even if that Naruto was stronger it wasn’t by all that much
Whats lokos channel i gotta follow bro
An interesting feat Kakashi has is copying jutsus, and knowing that kirin is just bending natural electricity Kakashi could do the same (he bents water, using electricity should be easier) so he could just disturb Sasuke's control over the kirin, maybe even revert it.
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Also, Kakashi could chase Deidara, that is a very impressive speed level, specially considering that they didn't use shunshin, they were giving chase, not using full speed, more like a marathon, Kakashi's speed is heavily underrated (his speed is most likely the same than on the war arc), he can also open at least the fist gate.
However, I doubt Kakashi can use kamui through Sasuke's susanoo
Not a bad take 🤔💪🏻
The speed feat is interesting but it's worth mentioning that Deidara wasn't trying to escape Kakashi and Naruto
can yall do a, why sasuke never learns a sage mode when he can handle nature energy??
and what if sasuke learned sage mode??
Good point
0:37-0:42 ay same bruh
Kamuis his ass off
The Sasuke glaze don’t stop for Loko
Low key sasuke takes every Shippuden fight except dms
Nah, he loses until he gets EMS
Nah, VOTE 2 Sasuke & Adult Sasuke>>> DMS Kakashi
Shippuden Sasuke>Shippuden Kakashi
@@joaov.candido8399 yeah obv adult sasuke wins, I was just saying Shippuden
Nah,even then Sasuke stomps.
Final Valley Sasuke has too much crazy feat.
@@J-grittylol kakashi couldn't do anything to deidara while Sasuke just made him rage quit
Dms kakashi vs the last sasuke ?
Sasuke clears
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Hebi Sasuke vs Pain arc Kakashi: Sasuke is more likely to go bloodlust than Kakashi due to regret and failure of his student. Are we forgetting that Sasuke has curse mark still, he can just swipe that out and that'll definitely be enough to avoid Kamui regardless of intel. How will Kakashi deal with Sasuke's snakes???? He dogs would get stomp, and him using Kamui on his snakes would leave him open for Sasuke to attack as he can't spam it in the war arc. Sasuke takes that 8/10
Question: I really wonder, as the tailed beasts often have certain chakra natures and kekkei genkai, which does kurama have? I think I read on narutopedia or somethin that its wind and fire (probably reasoned as on the ninetails attack he boasts flame like bursts and during the pain fight vreates tornados...). Bro do you know maybe?
That's just anime filler.
Kurama is pure powerful chakra on steroids.
Oooh okok so no definite chakra nature there
Indra Sasuke vs DMS Kakashi: This fight is actually pretty tuff, not gonna lie, but I would like to clarify something. Kakashi's time limit is 3 mintues, if not 3 in a half mintues. You can pull up the episode and do the math yourself, but it's not 5 mintues. I don't Kakashi can Kamui something that huge and fast. It took him about 2 seconds to Kamui one of Kaguya's arms that was gonna hit Sakura, Amenotejikara is instantaneous. Amenotejirkara faster than Kamui, so Sasuke can use that any time he's about to get sniped and he can spam it more than Kakashi can spam Kamui. Sasuke should have no problem outlasting Kakashi, plus Kakashi isn't hitting Sasuke with anything either🤷🏾♂️. Sasuke's Indras Susanno teleportation is enough to dodge Kamui shurikens.
I have one reason to say Hebi Sasuke is definitely not KCM fast.. and it's that sick af Itachi beat the absolute breaks off of him in Taijutsu. Homeboy used Sasuke's own sword as a springboard to kick him in the teeth, and it wasn't a reaction it was setup entirely by Itachi. Then Edo Itachi is shown to be on par with a KCM1 who was also holding back.
What makes you think Alive Itachi is slower than Edo Itachi?
Edit: Also, can you prove Naruto was “holding back” against Itachi?
In character battles or basic vs battles?
Watch and find out 😎
Am I the only one that thinks that war arc kakashi is what he should have always been? What I mean is that I feel that all the feats that he has from that arc is what he should've been able to do from the beginning of the series
I say this because if you remember, part 1 kakashi was able to use multi shadow clone after the zabuza fight so because of that I feel that because he did that it implies that kakashi has a larger chakra pool than he and everyone else realizes.
3:30 Kakshi has the Rasengan, remember?
They mentioned he does A few seconds prior to that
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Why yall skip straight to Pain arc after Anbu?
Or big 3 vs link
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Can’t wait to hear both sides be politically correct to each other lol
Best recording by far 💪🏻
Kid Kakashi > Chunin exams Sasuke
Anbu Kakashi < curse mark final valley Sasuke
later Anbu kakashi < orochi hideout Sasuke
Pain arc Kakashi < Hebi Sasuke (extreme diff)
5 KS Kakashi < 5KS Sasuke
WA Kakashi < EMS Sasuke (Kakashi Kamui cant manifest behind solid objects)
DMS Kakashi > Rinnegan Sasuke
DMS Kakashi < Rinnegan Biju amped Sasuke
I think yall should have done early Shippuden Kakashi vs Orochi hideout Sasuke to make it closer.
Assuming Sasuke takes straight Ls in part 1 and Ws the rest of the video. That isn't even Sasuke Wank, Kishimoto just made him too powerful for certain parts of the story.
Yea but the jonin back then compared to sasuke era is so different….
Sasuke is my favorite character and I respect both your opinions
Same bro we appreciate it 💪🏻
Hold on how is KCM Minato weaker than KCM 2 Naruto? His base is on par with if nit stronger than KCM 1 Naruto and around KCM 2.
Well first of all, Base Minato is not close to KCM1. Second, KCM2 Naruto is simply stated to be stronger than KCM Minato.
@@2_loko base Minato handily defeated Obito whom he believed Naruto needed Kurama to do. He's faster than KCM 1 and performed better against Obito. When is KCM 2 Naruto stated to be superior to Minato? The only statement he has of being better is when handling Kurama’s chakra
@@diamantemrobinson Not necessarily, Minato essentially gave Naruto the Nine Tails so that he’d have a built-in shortcut to massive power, but it’s never once stated that Naruto (in Sage Mode) currently wasn’t strong enough to defeat the version of Obito that Minato fought.
In the Fourth Databook entry for “Kurama Link Mode,” Naruto and Kurama are called the strongest tag team duo. Minato is also listed as a part of this file, and he obviously is part of a team with his own half of Kurama.
@@2_loko Minato gave Naruto Kurama expressly to defeat the mask man. He says it when naruto is a baby and reaffirms it when he redos Naruto's seal when fighting Pain. So no Naruto even in sage mode was not capable of defeating Obito to Minato. As Minato stated the mask man was still more powerful than Pain.
The databook is filled with hyperbole and certain things within it contradict the manga. Minato in base is factually confirmed in the manga to be faster than KCM 1 and on par with KCM 2. His rasengan is on par with powered up Naruto's and etc. KCM Minato is on par with KCM 2 Naruto in power and vastly above him in speed.
@@diamantemrobinson Nope, you should reread the chapter. Minato never said that Naruto wasn’t currently strong enough to win, he only refers to the past whenever he talks about Naruto ‘needing’ the Nine Tails. Minato also never said Obito was more powerful than Pain, but rather Obito was manipulating Pain by using the darkness in his heart (which is what Madara taught him to do).
KCM Minato cannot be “vastly above KCM2 Naruto” in speed, the statement requires them to be relative at the very least (with Naruto being some amount stronger obviously). Any other interpretation would end up with KCM Minato outspeeding/blitzing KCM2 Naruto, in which it would be impossible for Naruto to be stronger than him. So, unless you can find a real way to debunk the statement instead of trying to wave it away, KCM2 Naruto > KCM Minato.
Why did we skip to pain arc kakashi instead of garaa retrieval arc kakashi
Hokage kakashi vs no rinnegan sasuke?
Sasuke speed blitzed so6p Naruto in the manga. So sasuke is also a blitz tier above Kakashi just in pure movement speed. I really just feel like DMS Kakashi is ALL hacks I don’t think I really scales on that six paths level in terms of strength. Like I don’t think he can realistically throw hands with sasuke he’s going to have to bet it all on a kamui snipe which I just don’t see working on sasuke.
so we're comparing speed blitzing so6p naruto to speed blitzing kaguya? crazy.
@@logicalityztm6759 umm yes kaguya got speed blitzed by sakura and Kakashi…. Naruto should have far greater reaction and perception than kaguya. In fact Naruto’s perception speed should be faster than anyones.
Can't Kakashi use kamui to suck himself in to the deminsion to doge amatersau
EMS Sasuke vs War Kakashi: Are you serious???? Are you comparing Sasuke's speed to a truth seeking orb???? Sasuke was reacting to Juubito and blizted blind sage Madara. Kakashi is not Kamui snipping none of them. And that alone shows that Sasuke is faster than Kakashi. So Kakashi can't Kamui snipe him, Sasuke isn't just gonna stand there. We have never seen him Kamui snipe someone that fast, and if Sasuke cuts close quarters, genjutsu. EMS>MS, Sasuke has the stronger ocular prowess. I see Kakashi winning this unless Sasuke is just mad stupid. Sasuke mid difs at most
Let me say this again: Kabuto was NOWHERE near Kakashi’s level in the original series. It’s just a tough cover for Kabuto. If Kakashi really went for it, what would Kabuto have done about it? Absolutely nothing. Prove me wrong.
18:10 bro said hebi sasuke was KCM level speed 😂 deidara might have been dodging garra’s sand but does everyone forget there is a thing called TRAINING and GETTING STRONGER AND FASTER that is what garra did
Never understood y ppl think Sasuke didn't get any buffs after absorbing orochimaru. Because obviously if orochimaru absorbed Sasuke he would clearly get stronger as well. It would be almost completely pointless if all that happened was orochimaru just had the sharingan n nothing else 😂
Or kakashi vs kakuzu
Kaka 8s cooler
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Kirin is not that hard for a master of Lightening. Its not a Kekkai Genkai. What's to stop someone who copied 1000 jutsu and copied zabuza's jutsu at the same time from copying kirin which is a jutsu which would serve kakashi better since he doesn't have a lot of chakra.
Link from legend of Zelda could beat one of these Sasuke's my dude if you play the games there are some versions that kakashi and Sasuke can beat but some can't
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Theres no way saskue is fast as kcm 1
Sasuke never beat Haku 😂
Didn’t say he beat Haku.. said combat/fight Haku 😂😂😂 pay attention boss
Wait no i thought kcm2 was shown to be base minato level, so kcm minato is probably way faster
If I’m not mistaken the Raikage compares KCM1 Naruto to base (lowball Jonnin Minato) so it’s arguable
Kakashi on top
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Pre MS Sasuke isn’t kcm speed
No Taka Sasuke?
Dms kaka vs war rinnegan sauske
Anyone can win
Adult sauske vs old Kakashi
sauske wins low diff dat lightning cloak grants too much speed
Kakashi is obviously stronger than Sasuke in Part 1
MS Sasuke, at full strength should be stronger than Kakashi, but he was pretty tired from fighting danzo, and on the verge of going blind, so Full Power Kakashi should've been able to beat him.
DMS Kakashi Shits on Rinnegan Sasuke, Like 2 Friggin Kamui Eyes, Obito's Invincible power, that can only be countered by a space time Jutsu that Sasuke didn't have, and also DMS Kakashi has a Susanoo, Armed with Kamui Shuriken, that's some pure Ninja Stuff, compared to Sassy K's wannabe God Arrows. Kakashi could have beaten Kaguya if not for her damn Regen, and the only way of defeating her is the Chubaku Tensei seal from the Sun And Moon Seal.
Kakashi Supremacy.
Kid Jonin Kakashi (2 tomoe)>>> 2 Tomoe Sasuke
Early Anbu Kakashi>> Valley of End Sasuke ( I don’t think kabuto point is enough to say this version of Sasuke is above kakashi. That statement doesn’t hold much weight to me because based off of what we see from Kakashi and Kabuto they are not equals.)
Beginning Of shippuden Sasuke>>>>Kakashi beginning of Shippuden (hard to even say how strong he is)
Kakashi(Pain Arc) vs Hebi Sasuke too close to call they both have great showing against high tier Akatsuki members but I do think Itachi> Pain so id probably edge Sasuke BUT he can 100% get killed Kamui since Sasuke doesn’t know anything about it so I’m legit stuck. I like that you guys brought up Kakashi’s mind state because that matters. I think this legit goes either way but I’ll go Sasuke 6 times out of 10.
5 Kage Summit: basically if Kakashi wants to kill Sasuke he would win this but if not and it becomes a drawn out fight then Sasuke probably beats Kakashi. The problem is Sasuke not thinking clearly at all and I think that’s a bad thing to do going against Kakashi who always level headed. Yes I do think Kakashi can Kamui Amaterasu since characters who can dodge Amaterasu can’t react or dodge Kamui. If they both start off 100 chakra Sasuke outlast Kakashi unless he Kamui’s Sasuke but he probably won’t do that if he isn’t trying to kill. Sasuke 6 times out of 10.
War Arc Kakashi vs EMS Sasuke🔥🔥🔥id pay kishimoto to make this fight man😭🤣
I think this goes to Kakashi 6 times out of 10 for all the same reasons yall said. I think Kakashi can get around the Susanoo and Amaterasu enough times to land lethal blows to Sasuke extremely high difficulty.
DMS Kakashi vs Rinnegan Sasuke? Probably Kakashi lol
Completely agreed
3T Sasuke>>>Kid Jounin Kakashi
Part 1 Kakashi is literally a joke!
Kabuto was his equal by Orochimaru (the same who make Kakashi shit the pants) & Jiraiya (someone Copy Ninja admit to be weaker)
We see the 4 Eyes destroy Tsunade in a fight and even wanted to fight Jiraiya
EMS Sasuke is totally above WA Kakashi by feats and it's not even funny
I'm talking about both with his own powers! No Kurama or Jugo Senjutsu.
War Arc Rinnegan Sasuke too defeat DMS Kakashi
VOTE 2 Sasuke Adult Sasuke is stronger than DMS Kakashi
@@joaov.candido8399 This was emotional
@@joaov.candido8399 No bias tho
Kakashi couldnt use the rasengan back then, its why he developed the chidori.
the chidori was an attempt to surpass the rasengan by infusing his natural chakra element into the rasengan like a rasenshuriken
@@AidenB1010 This doesn't make sense, why would adult Kakashi opt to keep using the rakiri/chidori over the rasengan, which is superior.
@@ChristianCaliberNetworkbecause it fits his fighting style better that’s part of the reason why he taught it to sasuke becuase he said they were a lot alike
@@ChristianCaliberNetworkLol the Rasengan is not superior to the Chidori. Chidori is superior, it kills the opponents outright while Rasengan injures the opponent at most. Chidori is much better for finishing the enemy because it pierces the enemies heart
Anbu Kakashi > Part 1 kakashi (nerfed) remember that
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Why is he weaker in part 1 than in anbu?
@@jackm.1628 Mental Nerf.
@@jackm.1628 it’s clearer in the manga than in the anime that he was depressed and not having an outlet like the anbu made it worse and he got rusty. Another reason why he said “eventually they will catch up to me if I don’t get myself together and keep improving “ after the interaction with Kabuto and observing what the younger generations potential looked to be.
Tldr sasuke negs
Stay to whats shown in the manga Sasuke riders
DMS Kakashi definitely beats Rinnegan Sasuke, because Kakashi can do any rikudou jutsu because of acquiring sixth paths chakra. ❤❤❤❤
Why you think Sasuke ask Naruto to give him his Rinnegan so they can undo everything!!!🎉 💯
Again with the Kabuto shit man lol. I guess.
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Kakashis kamui is clearly bypassing susannoo, it just spawns where He looks. It was shown in the pain fight
Pain doesn't have Susano'o though
@@takatotakasui8307 does Not matter because He can See him, He would fokus on the Person and Not on the head of the susannoo. It is Not amaterasu which flys toward you, it just apeares no matter where, it is still a time space ninjutsu.
If his kamii can work on the geto statue I believe it can work on susano as well I mean it’s opening up a pocket dimension and sending whatever the user wants there I don’t know how a susano just blocks that the user would have to dodge it just like it minato had sasuke marked he could teleport inside his susano
@@t-god2439 its a Black hole ofc He can snipe sasuke out of the susanoo
I really do think DMS kakashi would beat rinnegan sasuke
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Sasuke admits inferiority to Orochimaru AFTER absorbing Oro, so Sasuke gaining confidence to fight Itachi because he absorbed Oro wouldn't make sense. It's pretty much a plot hole.
Also, people seem to forget that Kakashi is Gai's rival and the Mangekyou is more than just Kamui.
Sasuke wasn't the only one who trained after the time skip.
Even early shippuuden Kakashi beats Hebi Sasuke.
Well the feats don't show that and these guys operate on feats
Kakashi couldn't even put BOS Naruto & Sakura down after a whole day of fight.
Neither could do nothing against a 30% clone of Itach with Naruto's help
Failed against a Deidara who was without a 1 arm after the fight against Gaara and tired for 3 days and 3 nights to seal Shukaku even with Naruto again there to help him.
Don't mention he was scared of 2 Tails Naruto LMAO
Meanwhile, BOS Sasuke literally after wake up literally play with both Naruto & Sakura and put Sai & Yamato down with too much easy.
Sick Orochimaru the same one who fight against Naruto (1 - 4 Tails) say that 3 Tails Naruto is nothing before Sasuke.
Btw, Orochimaru himself too admit BOS Sasuke to be more troublesome than him to Sai.
Then, you have Sasuke fight against this sick Orochimaru who end up lost both battles to young Uchiha.
Sasuke alone defeat a 100% Deidara who had help from Obito... the same Akatsuki member Kakashi couldn't put down with Naruto's help and don't mention the artist was injury and tired from Gaara fight and seal Shukaku.
Hebi Sasuke too end up fight against a stronger Itachi than a fucking 30% clone who Kakashi recognize he couldn't take by himself and ask Naruto to fight with him lol
BOS & Hebi Sasuke destroy BOS Kakashi!
@joaov.candido8399 This is part of the problem. People exaggerate and leave out details, or get confused from anime filler, which gives the misconception of Sasuke being stronger than he really is.
If we’re being fair, Sasuke has his share of impressive and lackluster feats.
Kakashi was already a renowned shinobi and one of the strongest in Konoha before Sasuke was even born. He's considered to be a threat by multiple Akatsuki members, including Pain.
Deidara lost an arm but said nothing about being tired or low on chakra after the ritual.
Deidara was really just running away from Kakashi and stated that Naruto wasn’t much of a concern.
If Deidara ran from Sasuke like he ran from Kakashi, what would Sasuke do differently in that situation better than Kakashi?
When Sasuke fought team 7, Yamato clearly states he was holding back, and Naruto was struggling to resist Kurama, which gave Sasuke the opportunity to go in Naruto’s mind, so that’s not an impressive feat for Sasuke.
Sasuke never truly defeated Oro. Oro could’ve ended Sasuke when he was paralyzed, but chose to body transfer instead. Sasuke overpowering the ritual with his “will” is barely explained. It’s just plot convenience, so that's not much of a feat either.
@@andrepayne4349 luckluster?
If Sasuke was in Kakashi's situation with Deidara, he would have just used chidori senbon to snipe him outta the air, blitz with the cursed seal, or put down with genjutsu.
As this other guy said, Kakashi was shitting his pants at 2 tails Naruto whereas oruchmaru who was just looking at three tails Naruto admitted Sasuke's complete superiority over him.
Sasuke's feats are just better, he overpowered the culmination of all of oruchmaru's will and Chakra and managed to suppress him. That's what the white snake is, oruchmaru's pure chakra and power focused for the sake of suppressing the host body's will. Sasuke overcame oruchmaru's chakra outright and you can't say he was weaker due to sickness since he had already left his host body the rejection disease would not be affecting him.
Hell the only reason he got into that situation in the first place was to absorb oruchmaru, he knew what his intentions were and outplayed him.
Kakashi has nearly no feats that compare to Sasuke at this time. So what if he's guy's rival if he doesn't display the similar speed feats complaining to him until the war arc.
It's like saying Naruto is on Sasuke's level and the beginning of Shippuden because they are rivals, it's a silly argument.
Sasuke when still injured and having lost his CM and oruchmaru's chakra was reacting to VER1 bee who scales to VER1 raikage or even the VER2 depending on who you ask. Hebi Sasuke should just outscale taka Sasuke physically.
Team 7 got beat so bad tsuande thought Sasuke was on drugs or something like that, they had no chance especially since Sasuke can suppress the nine tails with a glance.
Sasuke Blitzed down towards them in base and no one could react to him not even Yamato, I don't think you can hold back your reaction time . That's if Yamato even says that considering the situation he is in why wouldn't he go full force from the beginning.
Yamato could not react to Sasuke at all
@jiero3253 Your head canon for Sasuke vs Oro is extremely optimistic. The facts are Sasuke was paralyzed and could’ve lost to Oro easily, sick or not, makes no difference.
Sasuke overpowering Oro’s jutsu with his “will” is a moot feat. For all we know, any Ninja of decent strength can do it, speaking of which, Kakashi had the “will” to survive Tsukuyomi, so who’s to say he couldn’t do it too? Same could be said for plenty of other characters.
Plot convenience is not a good feat.
Kakashi being “scared” of 2 tails Naruto is your opinion, especially when he never even implies or shows emotions of being scared. Maybe you’re looking at exaggerated anime filler, try looking at the manga.
If Sasuke couldn’t blitz Deidara in an actual fight, then he’s not doing it if Deidara is running away.
Sasuke had a hard time even touching Deidara who was floating right above him.
Going by your own words, If he can just snipe him out the air, then why didn’t Sasuke just use chidori senbon?
In part 1, do we ever see Kakashi move as fast as Rock Lee? Or lift weights as heavy as Lee?
No, we don’t, yet we still know that Kakashi is leagues above Lee, because of status and various statements I shouldn’t need to say.
Samething applies to Kakashi and Sasuke.
Also, comparing Naruto and Sasuke as rivals is different because Naruto literally admits inferiority, but that’s not the case with Kakashi and Gai.
Whether you like it or not it’s a fact that Yamato was holding back and Naruto was distracted, which makes it a lackluster feat for Sasuke.
Sasuke would lose to Yamato and Naruto, and an argument can be made for Yamato being enough by himself, especially with Hashirama cells.
You claim Hebi Sasuke’s feats are better, but you haven’t named one definitive feat that puts him over even early shippuuden Kakashi, so please, name some better feats.
CE Finals 2T Sasuke could defeat Kid Jounin Kakashi without Sharingan
3T Sasuke with or without CSM 2 too can win against a a Kid Jounin Sharingan Kakashi (2T or 3T)
Sasuke's feats are literally better than Kakashi at age.
Now, Part 1 Kakashi is obvious stronger than Part 1 Sasuke.
But, in part 2, Sasuke was stronger than Kakashi since the start to the end.
BOS Sasuke VS BOS Kakashi= Sasuke
Hebi Sasuke VS IA Kakashi= Sasuke
Taka Sasuke Vs Pain Kakashi= Sasuke
FKS Sasuke Vs FKS Kakashi=Sasuke
EMS Sasuke VS WA Kakashi= Sasuke
Rinnegan Sasuke Vs DMS Kakashi= Sasuke
VOTE 2, The Last & Adult Sasuke are stronger than DMS Kakashi too