Because it tends to affect your lifestyle and makes you different I guess. From watching the video you can see how very much it mattered to them. It determined their lives.
Nobody cares about people's sex life's until those people shove it in everybody's face and want to be special....I don't want to hear it and see it from straight or gay.
Politicians like to use topics like this as a way of diversion. So most people do not ask what they are really up to. So if your worried about what someone else is doing in their bedroom you're not worried about what the politicians are really up to!
In the United States, these used to be called "Boston marriages". They were households to two upper-class women who didn't want a traditional marriage. I think they were tolerated by society because women were often thought not have a sexual nature. So, society to see these relationships as done for companionships, rather than romantic. As you mentioned, a similar relationship between two men would not have been tolerated. Very interesting episode!
I have a friend who enjoys men but not a full time coupling. I could see her doing this at that time because she values her independence so much. I do think these particular ladies were lesbians though, not saying they weren't
Wow, Llangollen is a 10 minute drive from me! I've followed this channel for so long and didn't expect to hear of a story so close to home! I didn't even know about these ladies!
Same here. I’ve known Llangollen ever since I can remember, and now live quite close by. I’ve also visited Plas Newydd on several occasions - I did know much of the history of the ‘Ladies of Llangollen’, but it was interesting to learn more from this video - thanks for posting!
@@realestudergroundsouwell in some ways they actually did. They had many of the great minds of the times as their guests. Not bad for "just a couple of lesbians"! 🙄
I have heard of these ladies before but I enjoyed hearing it again here with the gorgeous illustrations. It’s a very touching story of a very close and loving friendship. It must have been ghastly for Sarah after Eleanor died. Poor soul. Thank you for telling this lovely story.
Beautifull story. I admire this two free spirited women ,living their life's their own way,in times were society was very strict . They loved each other's truly,that's why after one died the other one died soon too. Love and freedom goes together,they are proof of it. Thanks dear for another lovely and inspiring story.
Everyone deserves happiness, and I'm glad these two ladies found theirs. I'm sure it was difficult to be in a same sex relationship for many given the time period.
There’s a great book written about these ‘companions’. The Ladies of Llangollen’, it’s a true account, due to the amount of people that knew their story, & they were both avid diarists. As you said, They were determined to be together, so ran away. The first time, they were caught & returned, due mainly to the age & prosperity of the younger of the two.. Later, both families tried to keep them apart, but they had made financial savings, & arrangements ahead of their travels, allowing them to travel & rent a home in Wales. Beyond that, they would take one day at a time. The cottage was in poor shape, so the original rent was low, but they began to work the land, & raise livestock, which brought in money for living expenses, to pay farmhands, to care for the livestock. They even had a smaller building made habitable for the game keeper. They paid little in wage, but no one seemed to mind, as everyone who ever did business with them were enthralled by their rich characters & how hard they themselves worked. Yes, they were a couple, lovers, & from the start, their reputation spread far & wide. Most assumed they were just companions, who only ever wanted a quiet life away from the busy life in Ireland. The old housemaid knew the truth of course, & when she became Ill they cared for her. They did little to attract attention other than, one of them loved to paint & sketch soldiers, & scenes of ongoing wars, or unrest. She sold them to newspapers, & a few privately. They wrote short articles & wrote many letters, keeping copies for themselves. They entertained well known writers, poets. Businessmen & wealthy women. And other well known cross dressers, gay men & lesbians. All having heard their brave & happy tale from previous visitors. As you read, they were people of routine, & preferred visitors to make an appointment. They both dressed alike in heavy, dark masculine clothing, that blotted out feminine traits, but they seldom ventured far, they had everything they needed, the locals protected them, & their good name, & ran errands to the village close by. Sarah, was eventually awarded a pension from relatives, that was rightfully hers, which eased winter conditions. Anne Lister, better known now as “Gentleman Jack”, was Intrigued by them, & how well they were treated & seemingly accepted. Even though Anne, felt they, lived a very closed life, she envied their ability to run off & leave family & restrictions behind, to live together & remain so all their lives. Devoted to the end, which spurred Anne on with her quest to find a life partner, & to travel, & enjoy the the under belly of society & the freedom she felt when in France, the parties or coffee house where lesbians could meet to talk & be free to express themselves, & by dressing however they liked.
I never leave home unless I am going to the doctor or dentist. For a decade I didn't go out at all. No doctor, no dentist. I didn't even go out on my back porch. I go in my yard now and walk for exercise and sun around my house. That includes going onto my front sidewalk and seeing neighbors and passers by sometimes. I have agoraphobia but am now under the care of a psychiatrist and on medication. My husband and I are retired now so I'm no longer lonely and I have always had the company of one or two dogs that I love. I am in touch with my husbands mother and father who I have not seen for decades, but I love. My doctor does think I am a true introvert but I am not sure about that because I used to love parties and friends.
I don't care about the details of their relationship. I am just happy that they lived their lives as they liked. Everyone should be free to be happy. They didn't bother anyone.
Very interesting - I have spent a lot of time in North Wales - passing thru Llangollen often but did not know this story at the time or I certainly would have wanted to visit the house. Thanks for this story - how wonderful that Miss Lister also visited them - her story is really good too. I watched the TV series about her several years ago - qwhat guts these ladies had to be who thye are without fear ! We do not choose who we are when we are born, just given a shell to live in & yet we are all judged by others !
This brought up my memory of seeing the play “Lady-Like” by Laura Shamas, at the Philadelphia Theater Company in the early 1990s. It was my introduction to the ladies of Llangollen. Thank you!
It amazes me the stories I've seen/heard here. I'm always learning something new. Thank you for thos story. This is the 1st time I've ever heard of these two women. Thanks very much. I can't wait for your next video.
Amazingly creative in Gothic designing , Both in harmony with realised design building dreams . A very demanding financially secure position gave them this freedom to make their own blissfully choosen life. Not many could escape marriage at the high end pressures to obey , they did . I hope away from the false facades of society both achieved contented lives .
Wonderful episode. I visited Llangollen a few years ago and am sorry I didn't know about the Ladies then. I will definitely visit the house museum when next I'm there.
An absolutely beautiful story of a nearly lifelong friendship and love, including how dear they felt for Mary and she them. (Amazing ‘cottage’). Thank you for this.
Fascinating story for me as I come from Kilcooley and know the house well. I also know Kilkenny and the castle. Thank you. There is a monument to Wellington nearby.
Just up the road from me. Beautiful wee place Llangollen. We're proud of The Ladies having lived there for so long. It's not too surprising that they were able to live there in peace, English 'witches' escaped persecution and death by escaping into Wales. Plas Newydd itself is definitely worth a visit if you have a spare afternoon. Lovely place, I could feel the quiet happiness they'd had there.
What a wonderful story. Two strong and intelligent women who lived a long and happy life on their own terms. A lovely break from a lot of sad stories about Sapphic women. Never heard of Ann Lister either. Hers sounds like an interesting story. Really enjoyed this video. Great job!
I had known about Anne Lister for awhile, especially having watched and enjoyed the HBO series about her, but I hadn't heard of these two before this video! Being like them, it's nice to see how many women managed to live the way they were, instead of having to do as everyone else wanted them to be! Thank you for this!
New to the channel, really enjoyed this first video, can't wait to watch more as I've always been interested in history. Thank you and respect for the amazing job you do.
I wonder if the comments would show the same sentiments if it was two men…..so happy they found happiness…. they must have lived a wonderful life …. this story made me feel happy….what a lovely happy story…. they enjoyed a loving relationship ?
My response would be the same either way but I can't speak for everyone who watches this. I know we don't have as many examples of men from this time period who did this but what you have to remember is that for men, all they had to do is move out of their area and to a big town where nobody knows them and then tell people they're brothers or something like that. It wouldn't be a problem for them to have the money to survive (like it was for women)... which is why we have more of these stories about women than we do men. Also, if the men were smart they'd go on dates with women or whatever but never get serious with any one girl and tell people it's because of a heartbreak back home. Gay men have been doing it for hundreds of years but we don't have the stories because they blended in and didn't seem like they were any kind of partners more than roommates and hey lots of people do that to save money. 🤷🏼♀️ I know for the time period, it was more palatable that it was women because there was an idea at the time that if there was no man involved...then there could be no sexual interaction. Or to say it another way, women couldn't be sexual with one another. The prevailing thought was that women weren't able to be sexual in any way. This was still the time period for women where you were supposed to lay still until your husband finished. If you enjoyed sex, then you must be a loose woman, a real floozy. Well you might as well go ahead and go get a job in the Cat House in town because you weren't fit for a decent man and marriage! 😜
I wish I never had to leave my home either. I wish I had the money to hire help. On the other hand, When you get older you don't feel the need to socialize anymore as you learn people love to talk and use everything you may have said in confidence to talk about you. Therefore, you'll be lucky if you have any friends once your older. Edit: See once these ladies let people into their lives they started talking about them.
I am truly astounded, given the times that these woman were able not only to live in a society that fully accepted them but that they were also celebrated by being visited by famous people ! It is lovely they did not have to suffer for whatever their relationship may have been ! 🍃✝️🍃
At that time, many wouldn't believe a lesbian relationship was possible. It was not a crime, as homosexuality was, because they never thought it could happen.
Anne Boleyn's father was a cousin of the Earls of Ormonde & there was a "succession crisis" then, too. In order to settle the matter (& probably to help break up her betrothal to Harry Percy, son of the Earl of Northumberland), Anne was betrothed to James Butler, so that the claims would be united.
Yes the best of friend, taught by a 30 yr old to a child. Totally respectfully, child abuse is kewl since they're female. Can't even say women since once one was a child.
@@sarahthompson8610you do realize that within the era that they were both raised in it was not considered unusual to have an age gap. I think your rage is misplaced on the lesbians who did not gain a single thing other than love and companionship, and should really be directed at the old men marrying 12 year olds to sire a new generation of men who do the same. Child abuse? Come the fuck on
Well, its amazing that these 2 ladies were able to live together at that time. To me it matters not that they were lesbians. It really matters not, but for all the religious people and such.
Another fascinating video. Thank you for taking us back in time. I just love the artwork and photos you are able to find and share with us. Do you ever link where the artwork is from? I especially love the painting of the inn at time mark 8.50. Thank you
The only thing I really don’t like is if this were a story about a wealthy 29 year old man, meeting an orphaned 13 year old girl and becoming close with her…eventually moving her away from her family and in isolation from society - we would view this story quite differently in modern times. Not as an amazing love story but a story of a groomer and his naive and vulnerable victim.
Very good research, sarah used to hide elenor in Woodstock house in Inisteoige Co.Kilkenny so they could be together , I feel their relationship started as friendship when sarah was young and elenor had a huge influence on her as she was 16 yrs older but developed into love over time , they probably were lovers and the servant too , great Anne Lister visited them as she was of the same persuasion, it was a difficult period socially for those women and they must have become popular even as an oddity in the day, wonder what they thought of Byron cos he was a wild character and a bit deviant.
I have often read that back in the day, there was no clear understanding of what a lesbian was. They just could not conceive of this when it came to women...
Queen Victoria infamously made bans of homosexuality.....against men. Despite that Queen Anne from before her time had litigations with women as portrayed in the recent movies. Victoria was dumb in that regard, but I'm sure lesbians in her time took advantage of that.
Sounds like quite a wonderful life they had together. I'll never understand why people are that interested and judging about other peoples' sex life.
Because it tends to affect your lifestyle and makes you different I guess. From watching the video you can see how very much it mattered to them. It determined their lives.
Nobody cares about people's sex life's until those people shove it in everybody's face and want to be special....I don't want to hear it and see it from straight or gay.
Because the average IQ is below 100, and most people are nosy and stupid.
Politicians like to use topics like this as a way of diversion. So most people do not ask what they are really up to. So if your worried about what someone else is doing in their bedroom you're not worried about what the politicians are really up to!
because they are miserable and have no fulfilling hobbies, nor quality lives of their own. Love is love.
It’s rare enough in this world to find someone you love and who loves you.. and when you find that person, treasure it above all.
Sometimes love isn't enough
Unless their name is Greg
In the United States, these used to be called "Boston marriages". They were households to two upper-class women who didn't want a traditional marriage. I think they were tolerated by society because women were often thought not have a sexual nature. So, society to see these relationships as done for companionships, rather than romantic. As you mentioned, a similar relationship between two men would not have been tolerated. Very interesting episode!
I have a friend who enjoys men but not a full time coupling. I could see her doing this at that time because she values her independence so much.
I do think these particular ladies were lesbians though, not saying they weren't
"Lavender Marriages" are between a Gay male and a straight female beard, or a Lesbian.
Mary: males enjoyed these relationships, also, though marriage to a female was mandatory. Case in point: Abraham Lincoln.
@@Armistead_MacSkyethere were plenty of bachelors….all through life….so no, marriage for me was NOT MANDATORY 🙄🤷🏼♀️
Lol , I just imagine the queer women of that era being like jokes on you! Her fav seat is my face 😈
Being a woman in those days was not for the faint hearted ❤
The corsets shifting your organs alone was ghastly
Being a person in those days was the for the faint hearted, but life was FAR more dangerous for men than women. In general anyway.
I live just down the way from Llangollen. I'd not heard about these ladies and just love that you've told their story. 😃❤️😃
Wow, Llangollen is a 10 minute drive from me! I've followed this channel for so long and didn't expect to hear of a story so close to home! I didn't even know about these ladies!
You do now, as do I.
Same here. I’ve known Llangollen ever since I can remember, and now live quite close by. I’ve also visited Plas Newydd on several occasions - I did know much of the history of the ‘Ladies of Llangollen’, but it was interesting to learn more from this video - thanks for posting!
why would u they were just two lesbians its not like they changed the world or anything
@@realestudergroundsouwell in some ways they actually did. They had many of the great minds of the times as their guests. Not bad for "just a couple of lesbians"! 🙄
You should visit Woodstock house, a ruin now but with great gardens , i,ve walked them many times, in Inisteoge Co Kilkenny to see where it all began.
The original 'they were roommates.'
Oh wow, they were roommates 🕶️
RIP vine
🙏👌👍👻❣️
"Business associates, " even!!
@@heyokaempath5802😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
It goes back a lot further from them, alas.
I have heard of these ladies before but I enjoyed hearing it again here with the gorgeous illustrations. It’s a very touching story of a very close and loving friendship. It must have been ghastly for Sarah after Eleanor died. Poor soul.
Thank you for telling this lovely story.
They were literally girlfriends bro lmao
@@abigailchristenson388 Same thing really. A close and loving friendship.
@@borleyboo5613 i mean yeah but also like having sex with each other. Thats a pretty big difference between regular friendship and partners lmao
What a fascinating story. I would love to go see their house. Thank you!
Bull Shite, Beta boy.
Magnificent case...two women ahead of their time...loved it...good job BC
Beautifull story. I admire this two free spirited women ,living their life's their own way,in times were society was very strict . They loved each other's truly,that's why after one died the other one died soon too. Love and freedom goes together,they are proof of it. Thanks dear for another lovely and inspiring story.
Everyone deserves happiness, and I'm glad these two ladies found theirs. I'm sure it was difficult to be in a same sex relationship for many given the time period.
I'm glad that they created their happiness. Interesting story. ♥
Thank you for this upload, I’ve Never heard of this story before and I found it very interesting, so Thank you x
There’s a great book written about these ‘companions’. The Ladies of Llangollen’, it’s a true account, due to the amount of people that knew their story, & they were both avid diarists.
As you said, They were determined to be together, so ran away. The first time, they were caught & returned, due mainly to the age & prosperity of the younger of the two..
Later, both families tried to keep them apart, but they had made financial savings, & arrangements ahead of their travels, allowing them to travel & rent a home in Wales. Beyond that, they would take one day at a time.
The cottage was in poor shape, so the original rent was low, but they began to work the land, & raise livestock, which brought in money for living expenses, to pay farmhands, to care for the livestock. They even had a smaller building made habitable for the game keeper. They paid little in wage, but no one seemed to mind, as everyone who ever did business with them were enthralled by their rich characters & how hard they themselves worked.
Yes, they were a couple, lovers, & from the start, their reputation spread far & wide. Most assumed they were just companions, who only ever wanted a quiet life away from the busy life in Ireland. The old housemaid knew the truth of course, & when she became Ill they cared for her.
They did little to attract attention other than, one of them loved to paint & sketch soldiers, & scenes of ongoing wars, or unrest. She sold them to newspapers, & a few privately. They wrote short articles & wrote many letters, keeping copies for themselves.
They entertained well known writers, poets. Businessmen & wealthy women. And other well known cross dressers, gay men & lesbians. All having heard their brave & happy tale from previous visitors.
As you read, they were people of routine, & preferred visitors to make an appointment. They both dressed alike in heavy, dark masculine clothing, that blotted out feminine traits, but they seldom ventured far, they had everything they needed, the locals protected them, & their good name, & ran errands to the village close by.
Sarah, was eventually awarded a pension from relatives, that was rightfully hers, which eased winter conditions.
Anne Lister, better known now as “Gentleman Jack”, was Intrigued by them, & how well they were treated & seemingly accepted. Even though Anne, felt they, lived a very closed life, she envied their ability to run off & leave family & restrictions behind, to live together & remain so all their lives. Devoted to the end, which spurred Anne on with her quest to find a life partner, & to travel, & enjoy the the under belly of society & the freedom she felt when in France, the parties or coffee house where lesbians could meet to talk & be free to express themselves, & by dressing however they liked.
😮 Ty vm
I never leave home unless I am going to the doctor or dentist. For a decade I didn't go out at all. No doctor, no dentist. I didn't even go out on my back porch. I go in my yard now and walk for exercise and sun around my house. That includes going onto my front sidewalk and seeing neighbors and passers by sometimes. I have agoraphobia but am now under the care of a psychiatrist and on medication. My husband and I are retired now so I'm no longer lonely and I have always had the company of one or two dogs that I love. I am in touch with my husbands mother and father who I have not seen for decades, but I love. My doctor does think I am a true introvert but I am not sure about that because I used to love parties and friends.
It's always enjoyable to get your notification, and listen to you FLives. Thank you for this amazing history. Great job!
I don't care about the details of their relationship. I am just happy that they lived their lives as they liked. Everyone should be free to be happy. They didn't bother anyone.
I believe the details of their relationship are part of their life story. It is what made them, them.
Very interesting - I have spent a lot of time in North Wales - passing thru Llangollen often but did not know this story at the time or I certainly would have wanted to visit the house. Thanks for this story - how wonderful that Miss Lister also visited them - her story is really good too. I watched the TV series about her several years ago - qwhat guts these ladies had to be who thye are without fear ! We do not choose who we are when we are born, just given a shell to live in & yet we are all judged by others !
It sounds like they lived a nice life. This one made me happy
It made me happy, too.
Could not have done it without money.
I have never heard this story before. Thanks for a great video.
This brought up my memory of seeing the play “Lady-Like” by Laura Shamas, at the Philadelphia Theater Company in the early 1990s. It was my introduction to the ladies of Llangollen. Thank you!
Good for them!👏 I'm glad they were able to be buried together too😊
We have a similar couple in Victoria, Australia - Caroline Newcomb and Ann Drysdale.
It amazes me the stories I've seen/heard here. I'm always learning something new. Thank you for thos story. This is the 1st time I've ever heard of these two women. Thanks very much. I can't wait for your next video.
It’s a lovely day out… went there a few years ago …’The Ladies of Llangollen’ were known for their parties - they were fascinating women… 👍
This was beautifully done! Ur voice is very soothing and the stories u choose are infinitely interesting!
What a lovely and happy story.
Very enjoyable story. ☘️👍
Amazingly creative in Gothic designing ,
Both in harmony with realised design building dreams .
A very demanding financially secure position gave them this freedom to make their own blissfully choosen life.
Not many could escape marriage at the high end pressures to obey , they did .
I hope away from the false facades of society both achieved contented lives .
Beyond interesting...Ive never heard of them before...your presentation of them was flawless..great job!
I have not heard of these ladies before, thank you.
Awesome story of "Love conquers all". Thank you for highlighting 2 fascinating lives.
The house and grounds look awesome, wish I could visit
Fancy meeting you here!🙋🏻♀️
@meemurthelemur4811 hello there! 👋
We love it! Have you already done Ann Lister? Did we miss that one?
Wonderful episode. I visited Llangollen a few years ago and am sorry I didn't know about the Ladies then. I will definitely visit the house museum when next I'm there.
I enjoyed this very much; you do a lovely job with these videos! 👍👍
An absolutely beautiful story of a nearly lifelong friendship and love, including how dear they felt for Mary and she them.
(Amazing ‘cottage’). Thank you for this.
Thank you. Such a riveting love story. May they both rest in eternal peace, together. ❤️🙏
Very interesting! Thank you.
Great story. Never heard about them before
This was so interesting and the ladies so brave. Thank you for making this.
Thank you so much . Brilliant amazing history . Eileen
Many thanks. I visited their house years ago but never learnt very much about their histories. ❤
Fascinating story for me as I come from Kilcooley and know the house well. I also know Kilkenny and the castle. Thank you. There is a monument to Wellington nearby.
Thank you for the great story.
Just up the road from me. Beautiful wee place Llangollen. We're proud of The Ladies having lived there for so long. It's not too surprising that they were able to live there in peace, English 'witches' escaped persecution and death by escaping into Wales. Plas Newydd itself is definitely worth a visit if you have a spare afternoon. Lovely place, I could feel the quiet happiness they'd had there.
What a wonderful story. Two strong and intelligent women who lived a long and happy life on their own terms. A lovely break from a lot of sad stories about Sapphic women. Never heard of Ann Lister either. Hers sounds like an interesting story. Really enjoyed this video. Great job!
I live about half an hour from Llangollen. This is really interesting . A fabulous place 🤗🏴
I had known about Anne Lister for awhile, especially having watched and enjoyed the HBO series about her, but I hadn't heard of these two before this video! Being like them, it's nice to see how many women managed to live the way they were, instead of having to do as everyone else wanted them to be! Thank you for this!
I really enjoyed this interesting video with its gorgeous images. Thank you!
New to the channel, really enjoyed this first video, can't wait to watch more as I've always been interested in history.
Thank you and respect for the amazing job you do.
What beautiful paintings you found for your wonderful presentation of this story!
I just love all your videos
What a beautiful story and life together
This would be a great movie.
My first stop at this channel, so interesting, nicely done!
I love this stuff. They seem very lucky. It seems they lived a pretty great life for the time.
I wonder if the comments would show the same sentiments if it was two men…..so happy they found happiness…. they must have lived a wonderful life …. this story made me feel happy….what a lovely happy story…. they enjoyed a loving relationship ?
My response would be the same either way but I can't speak for everyone who watches this. I know we don't have as many examples of men from this time period who did this but what you have to remember is that for men, all they had to do is move out of their area and to a big town where nobody knows them and then tell people they're brothers or something like that. It wouldn't be a problem for them to have the money to survive (like it was for women)... which is why we have more of these stories about women than we do men. Also, if the men were smart they'd go on dates with women or whatever but never get serious with any one girl and tell people it's because of a heartbreak back home. Gay men have been doing it for hundreds of years but we don't have the stories because they blended in and didn't seem like they were any kind of partners more than roommates and hey lots of people do that to save money. 🤷🏼♀️
I know for the time period, it was more palatable that it was women because there was an idea at the time that if there was no man involved...then there could be no sexual interaction. Or to say it another way, women couldn't be sexual with one another. The prevailing thought was that women weren't able to be sexual in any way. This was still the time period for women where you were supposed to lay still until your husband finished. If you enjoyed sex, then you must be a loose woman, a real floozy. Well you might as well go ahead and go get a job in the Cat House in town because you weren't fit for a decent man and marriage! 😜
Beautifully presented and researched
Thank you!
What a beautiful life story. Thank you .
A fascinationg life and story. Thank you!
Good 👏 for 👏 them!! 👏
My first thought exactly! Brave of them, also.
I'm from kilkenny and live not far from kilkenny castle.. Thankyou fotyhis fantastic story
Love your stories!
Awesome over 250k subscribers. Congratulations 🎉
What people do together that hurts no one is none of anyones business. People judge others too much. Mind your own business.
Very sweet and tender story.
I’m so grateful for info that connects other bits of info to what I know…
I really envy them….. thank you for sharing this with me
Go and visit the house if you are ever in Llangollen. Well worth the time.
I wish I never had to leave my home either. I wish I had the money to hire help. On the other hand, When you get older you don't feel the need to socialize anymore as you learn people love to talk and use everything you may have said in confidence to talk about you. Therefore, you'll be lucky if you have any friends once your older.
Edit: See once these ladies let people into their lives they started talking about them.
I am truly astounded, given the times that these woman were able not only to live in a society that fully accepted them but that they were also celebrated by being visited by famous people ! It is lovely they did not have to suffer for whatever their relationship may have been ! 🍃✝️🍃
They enjoyed a loving partnership. 🌹
The days were peaceable and silent, but the nights were not so. It was fire in heaven.
Very interesting, as usual. Thanks!
Beautiful story and inspirational
What a happy and peaceful life... Thanks for this interesting story, I m new in your channel 😊
At that time, many wouldn't believe a lesbian relationship was possible. It was not a crime, as homosexuality was, because they never thought it could happen.
This sounds like Gentleman Jack
Ann lister visited them
Anne Boleyn's father was a cousin of the Earls of Ormonde & there was a "succession crisis" then, too. In order to settle the matter (& probably to help break up her betrothal to Harry Percy, son of the Earl of Northumberland), Anne was betrothed to James Butler, so that the claims would be united.
That diary entry is my absolute perfect day
hooray new video. ✨
I enjoy your Historic stories.
I'm sure they were really, really, really, really, really, REAAAAALLY, really good friends
Yes the best of friend, taught by a 30 yr old to a child. Totally respectfully, child abuse is kewl since they're female. Can't even say women since once one was a child.
@@sarahthompson8610you do realize that within the era that they were both raised in it was not considered unusual to have an age gap. I think your rage is misplaced on the lesbians who did not gain a single thing other than love and companionship, and should really be directed at the old men marrying 12 year olds to sire a new generation of men who do the same.
Child abuse? Come the fuck on
@@sarahthompson8610Maybe she didn't care to risk her life popping out some man's brats.
@@sarahthompson8610They got seperated and found each other in a time where the internet was a no no. Funny, if one was a man, would this bother you?
Well, its amazing that these 2 ladies were able to live together at that time. To me it matters not that they were lesbians. It really matters not, but for all the religious people and such.
Another fascinating video. Thank you for taking us back in time. I just love the artwork and photos you are able to find and share with us. Do you ever link where the artwork is from? I especially love the painting of the inn at time mark 8.50. Thank you
That sure is a fancy chair you're sitting in LOL
The only thing I really don’t like is if this were a story about a wealthy 29 year old man, meeting an orphaned 13 year old girl and becoming close with her…eventually moving her away from her family and in isolation from society - we would view this story quite differently in modern times. Not as an amazing love story but a story of a groomer and his naive and vulnerable victim.
I've known nuns who were *best companions" too.
Very good research, sarah used to hide elenor in Woodstock house in Inisteoige Co.Kilkenny so they could be together , I feel their relationship started as friendship when sarah was young and elenor had a huge influence on her as she was 16 yrs older but developed into love over time , they probably were lovers and the servant too , great Anne Lister visited them as she was of the same persuasion, it was a difficult period socially for those women and they must have become popular even as an oddity in the day, wonder what they thought of Byron cos he was a wild character and a bit deviant.
Thank-you, that was very interesting. I am glad they had a nice life.
What a great story. Thanks
The double DD at the end of Plas Newydd is a single letter in Welsh and pronounced as a “th” as in the English word “Thee”
Always interesting
Thank you
Peace 💕🇺🇲
Very interesting!
What a beautiful story. Although I am sure this was a very tough road
They sound so happy! Good on them.
I have often read that back in the day, there was no clear understanding of what a lesbian was. They just could not conceive of this when it came to women...
Queen Victoria infamously made bans of homosexuality.....against men. Despite that Queen Anne from before her time had litigations with women as portrayed in the recent movies. Victoria was dumb in that regard, but I'm sure lesbians in her time took advantage of that.
Thank You. ❤