Will Zero Emissions Zones Mean A California Classic Car Ban?
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2023
- Like many owners of classic cars in California I received a letter from CARB inquiring about the amount of usage of one of my cars. There has been much speculation about what the information would be used for and concern about a possible ban on driving classic cars. California has recently been looking into "zero emissions zones" in populated areas, which prompted suspicion among enthusiasts.
Hemmings article "Is California Really Preparing To Restrict Classic Car Usage" by Tara Hurlin.
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Gavin Newsom's jet airplane makes more pollution than thousands of classic vehicles.
It's not about the climate, it's about control.
He's got climate change coming out of both ends.
Control AND Revenue.
Ill bet he's better looking than you !!
Jealous
@@markskibo5159wow here’s your face 💩
@@markskibo5159
If you're into greasy sleazeballs, then yeah.... Beauty is in the eyes of the beerholder...
Obviously in California it’s time for them to ban the politicians, vote them out of office.
Not enough vintage car enthusiast to do it.
It's not that easy, the politicians can't be voted out EVER
Hard to do when the Democrats hold a Super Majority.
People fell for their smoke and mirrors and voted them in.
They'll never admit to being wrong, they just blame it on some one else.
😂 definitely!! That's why alotta Californians are getting the f outta there because of all the b.s. there
And, the majority of air pollution does NOT come from cars.
that's not the issue. Democrats are BANNING gas powered engines. The sooner you comply with Democrat policy, the better off you'll be.
And better yet, classic cars. 90% of the cars on the road have modern emission systems. They need to stop harrasing car enthusiast
What does it come from ?
@@jesse75having a state full of illegals
Industry and power plants !!!@@jesse75
And to think some Americans want Gavin Newsome for president, we'll be doomed if that happens
Nasty Pelosi is his aunt.😂
His nomination to replace Feinstein as the new Senator proves that. She's a resident of Maryland.
Sad , but true ... 😒 🗳
Too many people unfortunately dont read in ca. they allow the government to control them. and still continue to vote for them. it is like complete ignorance. I wish people would READ and not from tainted leftists media with tainted stats.
Gavin Nuisance
It's really sad to see what has happened to California. It used to be California was the hub of hot rods and custom cars.
Now California is the hub of BS
I'm past the sad part. I left that Socialist tax slave state last year. I was just leaving and added another ten years to my well-being.
@@encoencomen8361where did you leave to? Looking to vacate and looking for ideas….
We don’t want them anymore dude.. they are gross polluters.. LATINOS FOR NEWSOM.. MY WHOLE EXTENDED FAMILY WILL BE VOTING FOR HIM 🥰
The hub of public transit and bicycles
Time for the people in California to fight the government there.
JUST SAY NO
Past time for people to leave that fascist, socialist, communist state.
They vote these fools into office. I just hate that the lunacy that starts in crazyfornia eventually crosses the country.
They wont. They would rather leave the state and make other states more crowded. If those states become like California then they would leave again to another state.
Fighting oppressive governments are for non lazy people. Simply a thing that doesn't exist anymore.
@@claycoates5056That should be done first, our numbers far exceed the feds
classic vehicles . . . . . a positive hobby .... community , art , history , family and inspiration to our youth thanks Mike 🙏
I feel most folks understand that classic cars are a positive thing. It's those who don't get it that I worry about.
careful - there's one born every minute .... ha ha
@MikeFrankovich : The trouble is there are the crazy liberals that actually hate the past in America, and wish to erase all traces of it, including classic cars that celebrate past eras & memories.
They want no jobs no hobbies…. You will own nothing and be happy
The Elites do not want anything that links us to our heritage, community, or anything positive. A classic car=freedom. They can't ave that.
Sounds like CARB and Newsome needs class action lawsuit for trying to violate their civil rights
YES
Us Latinos love ❤️ newsom dude
@@walterwhite1screw that commie
guess you love socialism/communism .Cuba is open for you to go i will pay for you ticket!@@walterwhite1
I'm not one Latino that dose not he is just a run the mill Communist @@walterwhite1
We are actually recycling and saving the land fills keeping our classic cars running.
These cars are already built and so much of the carbon output in a vehicle's life is when they're manufactured.
I drive a 1971 Mustang Convertible with Electric Windows, Auto Transmission, code M white color, 3rd radiator, 4th water pump, 302 engine rebuilt in 1998 and new interior 2006. Yep, My pony lives forever,
@@larry762💪
Especially when you extract them from their graves and put them back on the road. On my fourth this year. Soon my entire fleet will be analog.
They just want to take your rights away.
Older cars and trucks are a hot commodity for some buyers because they are analog, less complicated, easier to work on than really expensive new cars and trucks. The aftermarket and manufacturers need to offer retrofits and systems that make sense and meet sensible emission standards. Out of touch bureaucrats and extremists are the ones that need to be kept under regulation.
These wicked authoritarian jackals are going to crush and bankrupt the collector and classic car industry.
all a bunch of sissys!
I would actually say absolutely not. The overall emissions of these cars in today's context is absolutely negligible. Also by adding that junk onto our classics it does two things: takes away from that simplicity and reliability and serviceability, and gives the politicians another bludgeon to hit us over the head with. "Well, so and so retrofit exists, and therefore we put forward this bill to mandate..."
@@thechillhacker Plus they will hurt both performance AND gas mileage. Remember how poorly many 70s cars ran, unless returned to earlier tuning specs? Remember how much gas they used, despite being pretty low powered? (Example - a 1958 Ford with a 352 4 barrel made 300 horsepower. A 1973 Ford with a 351, 2 barrel only in the 70s, made about 150 horsepower, if that. True, the 58's rating was Brake Horsepower and the 73's was net horsepower, but one of my old Chilton's shop manuals shows both gross and net for many cars. Net was only about 12% lower than gross, which means that 58 Ford with 300 Brake Horsepower had 264 Net Horsepower. Still way WAY more than the 73 with a similarly sized engine. And it was easy to start, ran smoothly at all throttle positions, and probably used less gas on top of that. Even if Net really was 30% lower like they try to say, that still would have been over 220 horses!
@@jamesbosworth4191 1970's patchwork emissions of the malaise era.
Dont touch our classic cars!
Im a straight shooter......just making a point here. You made a comment...." these are part of our history". I am a classic car owner. I am also a firearms owner. And those are definitely part of our history. And the fight for taking those away has been going on since the start of the country. So, they don't give a rats butt about our history. I'm on your side 110%. But about the history of the cars, they don't care. I know cars and firearms are different. But just making the point about them not caring.
They're different, yes.
But the same mindset to control/seizure/regulation applies, and it's equally important to stop such mindsets from being able to enact their desires on every front possible.
its not that they dont care. they do care, in the opposite direction. they HATE your hobby, they HATE your history, and they HATE YOU, and they seek to either make it illegal or make your life as miserable as possible. dont mistake hatred for indifference.
Two things will happen: 1) Zero emission zones will spread outward from cities. 2) People will be basically pushed inward to cities.
Older cars cannot spy on you, be tracked, or be immobilized remotely.
I agree.
Hopefully, if it comes to that, people will finally wake-up, see the "green" agenda for what it really is about (control), and push the chuckleheads advancing it out of office.
We have to protest these quacks.
Is California full of idiots? They are only in power because they are voted for. Apparently the majority of population likes the tyranny.
I am probably one of the few who actually does drive 3 of my 4 vintage Ramblers on a daily. I own 4 ramblers and do not own a new car. I am ready to put up a fight if Cali tries to restrict me from driving my ramblers.
People should be able to drive their classics. They paid for them and they kept them registered all these years.
My grandma had a 60's Rambler. I loved that car as a kid.
Wish I had it now.
I am a little jealous.
You have nice, sensible Ramblers that are easy on gas and easy to fix.
You live someplace you can drive them year-'round. Can't do that here in New England.
@@CharlieLarkin75 me too. Cars are ugly as sin, but comfortable and ride nice and the rest is like you said.
Good luck. It will be too late when everyone stands up
Saw this coming 30 years ago. There was talk of banning aftermarket and pattern parts in 1993. If classic’s can’t be banned we’ll just be charged outrageous annual fees to register them.
It's really nothing but a money game. I guess if you can afford to own a classic car, you can afford all the additional fees
I urge people not to answer that survey. They don't like our cars and they don't like us. They will use the data to "Case Build", and don't think you can outsmart them by lying on the survey. Lying is always a bad idea. They will still use the data to build the case they want. Right now I truly believe our best option is to keep the status quo of the bi-annual smog check, annoying as that is. At least we can still drive our cars.
If we don’t answer they think that most don’t care.
The FAA sent the same type of questions out to the public regarding the airspace above your property and only 53,000 out of 300 million answered back.
So now your air space above your property went from 400ft down to the highest point of your home.
Most people are not aware of this, we lost our privacy above our property.
Both of my cars are pre 1975. How would this affect me?
@@jamesbosworth4191 You are clearly best off with the status-quo. I wish I could say the same for myself. You are in a good place for reasons to numerous to mention here.
@@kennethhorton1868 Meaning that they can't touch me?
@@jamesbosworth4191 For now at least. No California smog check, no smart car, no computer in car. Just basic reliability as long as you can maintain it. One day they may ban our cars including yours, and / or ban gasoline, but until then you are relatively safe. Not to mention an EMP attack.
I am a dyed in the wool car guy and I spend thousands of dollars on my projects. The hobby supports small businesses. I hope data is collected from SEMA to prove the revenue being generated from the lifestyle. Thank you for making this video.
Or just certain states of the liberal kind.
I believe no one is listening or looking at these statistics anymore
They’re doing everything they can to kick small business in the pants
Read my post from 8 days ago
New car industries are nothing but tin cans and plastic, PLASTIC is harmful to the whole WORLD !!
I get the feeling a lot of the push for ev's is basically a trojan horse on right to repair. cars are one of the few products with a healthy right to repair ecosystem behind it. Loots of mechanics around, lots of parts and reasonably priced mostly. Evs require high voltage knowledge and new evs come with way more locked down systems so you're more at the mercy of the manufacturer. You don't have to make a better product if you can make everyone buy the same product they can't fix.
Thanks for the video.
Lived in CA from 1985 to 2022.
I never fit in. Why?
We own classic cars.
Ever since I was 16.
Participated in many and attended as a spectator.
This is just one things that I wouldn’t give up to live there.
I'm in AZ, and I drive a 1972 Ford Pinto wagon on a daily basis. I've been driving it for nearly 25 years, and I will continue to drive it.
Wow, that is cool. Is it stock? It should get good MPG.
Mike, your UA-cam channel is the FIRST PLACE I visited when I heard about this TYRANNY!
Please keep us updated with your opinions!
If anything new comes out about this I'll make another video.
I would be very careful, and extra vigilant. When you least expect it seems to be when government is at its absolute worst.
Mike Frankovich for GOVERNOR 👍
The exemption sits at '74 and before, correct?
It's good to her that there are no major plans to change anything right now, at least....Ironic that this is even a subject....here in California where the car culture began!
Smog exemption is 1975 and older.
@@MikeFrankovichIt was pre 65 they moved that up to 75 a while back. I can remember having to take my 67 Buick for smog when it came for MT to CA in 92. It did pass.
@@thomasthurston6656 It was a rolling 30 year exemption until they stopped it at 1975. I remember smoging my '68 back in the nineties.
@@MikeFrankovich Anyway to screw people more. Native from Socal also.
This actually doesn’t surprise me at all, typical for commiefornia,.
Thanks Mike, I enjoy your videos. This is an important topic for all of us. Keep up the good work.
Thanks, will do!
Mike I concur enjoy your time & energy keeps me in contact with SOCAL and cars.
Good luck in your fight for the old car hobby to continue on in California without restrictions. I am sure this kind of negativity, if it goes through in California, will spread across the country. Car guys everywhere need to stick together. Again, Good luck in your fight.
I think there is enough folks who love these cars to fight back.
Got nuttin to do wit dat. It’s Carb getting data, don’t mean they gonna ban classics at all
@@jogmas12 you have not been paying attention. This has been a long term goal all along. They want net zero emissions by 2045 which means NO combustion engines of any kind by that date. They already have zero emissions zones in England. They use plate readers to fine people daily for driving their classic cars. Colorado is trying to ban any vehicle that was previously military. We're talking 70 year old Willys Jeeps. Owners are getting letter informing them that their registrations have been canceled. What the point of owning one if you won't be able to drive it.
@@lammoncustoms638 this I got from Hemmings automotive “The California Air Resources Board (CARB) told Hemmings the classic car usage survey and similar surveys are “simply routine data updates” to ensure their overall vehicle fleet data is accurate, and that it has “nothing to do with vehicle ‘bans’.”
@@lammoncustoms638 …… further if you care for more : “He went on to state that better information helps their staff more accurately account for evaporative emissions from fuel, a big contributor to smog; “These emissions happen whether the vehicle is running or not, so without additional data, the model will would apply average or typical use and storage conditions.”
Swanton also pointed to a common misconception regarding California’s push for Zero-Emissions in the new vehicle market and how it is seen as incompatible with classic cars. “This is simply not the case, and not only ignores California’s place in car culture, but also how California has been successful in significantly reducing the impacts of motor vehicle pollution,” he urged.
“Our process focuses on new vehicle standards and vehicle durability, the Smog Check promotes reasonable maintenance of engines and pollution control systems, and finally consumers decide at what point they want to move to newer vehicles.”
How insane!!! California is the HOME of classic cars. The climate allows them to last forever.
Meanwhile here in northern Canada, no inspections, no emissions tests, but the car show scene is only a few months during the summer. As an owner of several classic cars, receiving such a letter in the mail would make me furious.
Fight hard for the 'government' to keep its tentacles out of your classic car hobby !!!
Thanks for sharing Mike I live for my old cars
Obviously old cars have been a huge part of my life since I was young.
Hey, Mike, enjoyed the video. Great topic! Every day I feel thankful to live in a state where car shows are plentiful, gas is cheap, there are no smog tests, and the government is not as tyrannical towards our old rides. Y'all have us beat on the weather, though. LOVE THE SHIRT, btw!
Thanks. The shirt is a Trader Sam's tiki shirt from Disneyland.
Don't tell anyone where you live, you will see a increase in population growth from other states!
@@johngrepo9976 And they'll bring the same cancerous policies that destroyed their old states. Sorry NH and TX. What a shame.
Texas has no restrictions in rural counties. If you live in big city counties and car is 25 + no need to smog ever again. And they never ask questions that are none of their business to know. Assuming that 90% of classic car owners know which party hates them the most and hence know how to vote ... come on over and bring the classic sheet metal to the Lone Star.
As a retired military combat vet with PTSD issues. Tinkering on my classic cars is one of the few things that keeps me from picking the flowers off the wallpaper. Probably not a good idea to take that away.
It's not about emissions. It's about it's not computerized and they can't track you nor shut your engine down
Right you are. EV is the ultimate smart car for just that purpose. Moreover they can't ban gasoline until they get enough people to transition (to EVs that is). Once gasoline is banned, EV's can be turned off as simply as flipping a switch.
Finally someone who's been paying attention. Same with smart meters on your electrical panel and water main. It's all about control. They are already doing this in China. They base everything off a social credit score.
Wow. I'm sorry, but all 3 of you come off as wacko paranoid conspiracy theorists! Sheesh...
@@kennethhorton1868Modern gas vehicles can be tracked and shut down just as easily....
@@MN_Engineer Yes that is true. That is why I favor the older gas vehicles.
Hey Mike. I enjoyed the video an the interesting conversation. I feel the same about car shows are here to help the community,like fire house shows in my area that need donations for equipment.
I've been to many shows where they're one of the largest annual events in the town they're held in.
Throw the letter in the trash!
Until they send the subpoena screw them!!!
I have 3 collectors 1 '32; 1 41 and 1 '57. All are Smog Exempt.
The '69 Impala I received the letter for is exempt from testing.
CARB is doing their research to forecast how people will react.
Glad we moved out of California
When you realize that all of our factories, even during layoff and shut down, we leave everything powered up, wasting electricity, just one robot is drawing like 20 amps of current, just sitting still just so that they don't lose the programs because of a faulty battery. Well, then it's a problem, and the lines won't run. So we leave everything on all the time. All the presses all the motors, everything's running all the time. The screens are left on the computers. Their fans are blowing and nobody's there.
People remember, vintage two stroke motorcycles are ban from California roads. Politicians are always looking out for the little things to show they are doing things for our benefit but always ignoring the bigger problems. Example; the water shortage, solution take out your lawn, draining your pools etc. If we do not organize politically and target those politicians proposing this laws, you and I can kiss are vintage cars good by.
Same with 2 stroke outboard engines.
Two stroke motorcycles are still legal for use on California roads
Not my Bultaco Frontera 370.@@Burritosuupreme
My immediate thoughts are evaporative emissions. Why else would they be asking about fuel tank contents in detail? Very worrying as there may be moves to prevent you keeping a car road ready with fuel in the tank on your own property. The 1978 or older date is interesting, wasn't that around the time when carbon canisters became 50 state mandatory? IIRC California had this requirement for new vehicles maybe 8 or so years earlier. Anyway just my observations, make of them what you will.
You're on the right path, that's for sure. There is always a reason for the questions they ask. First is asking, next is policy or regulations.
Yep. This is the likely reason. They'll use evaporative emissions as an excuse to outlaw cars or require some sort of expensive (too expensive for most) retrofit. Another they'll probably use is engine PVC systems (or lack thereof) claiming there's some huge detrimental effect from crankcase fumes that arent captured or something.
They won't outright ban any cars but they'll make it so difficult/expensive to comply you wont have a choice but to get rid of it, then claim "we didnt ban them, its your choice to not comply so you can't register or drive them."
I have been fighting California my whole life (I'm 55) trying to enjoy my cars and I know from experience that CARB and the entire smog requirements for cars is a joke and a lie. I honestly don't know what their actual goal is. If CARB actually wanted classic cars to run cleaner, then the ONLY thing that should matter is what comes out the tailpipe, PERIOD! That would mean, that if I owned a 1979 MG B, I should be able to change the ignition system, convert it to fuel injection, add a computer and really clean it up. If the emissions were the ACTUAL issue, they would let me purchase factory catalytic converters for 1990's cars in California, that aren't 10x the cost that the exact same part is in Nevada, just without the little CARB sticker. I should be able to convert to propane or natural gas or make any other modification AS LONG AS IT'S CLEANER THAN IT WAS FROM NEW!
But this isn't about what comes out the tail pipe is it Liane M. Randolph? (
Mike videos like this make folks aware at the attempts or rather testing the water attempts from ELECTED individuals to shut down our classic cars from the glory roads of our hearts. Everyone that loves classic cars need to get onboard to stop these attempts etc, especially with them using the electric car push that’ll only overload grids etc and fake climate push not to mention. GN 👎👎👎!!! This is a good video 👍 and will help the community🛞💨💨
Thanks. I always say this channel is really about preserving classic vehicles.
Thanks for the info Mike. Good to know and not to worry.
They did a survey like this regarding off road motorcycles. Now small engines are banned in Calif.
My brother still has his off-road motorcycle. Explain.
So nobody has gas-powered lawnmower in CA?
@@LuckyCharms777 Plenty still do, but they would love to ban those too.
@@jamesbosworth4191
I don’t think he knows what’s classified as a small engine.
Truth is , if you restore an old car and keep it out of the landfill, you really are more green than someone who purchased new .
Nice video Mike! I have a 79 Pontiac trans am and know the frustration of the smog check every two years.
CA will 100% eventually ban classic vehicles, it is just a matter of when.
This!
Good job making people aware reguarding possiable zero emissions legislation. I feel Calif. should move the smog emissions testing up 10 years.......But this legislation has been incrediably good for me over the years. People here in the midwest ( OZARKS) love Calif. cars that won't pass smog. It's made a lucrative living for me. I was an Industrial Arts Teacher for several years during which time I began bringing these vehicles here from, Calif. in the early eightys. There is no smog inspection here, ...everyone removes all smog equipment anyway. I miss teaching but the auto sales income is too good. Our fuel price is around $3 per gallon so the big block cars are in demand. Your info about CARB will bring awareness to the Calif. Classic Car owners. Good job Mike Wayne
Thanks. I've sold late seventies cars that had no issues passing smog out of state because people here don't want to have to bother doing the testing. These days the tests for older cars are $80-100. Add that to the fact that our registration fees are the highest in the country.
@@MikeFrankovich What is your registration?
Here in Massachusetts, standard license plates are $60/every two years. Antiques are $60 annually. Specialty plates (low numbers, vanity, and special plates like the Cape Cod or Cape Ann plates or the Masonic plate I have) are $100/every two years. Motor vehicle excise tax is $25/$1000 of value, with "full depreciation" after five years, and is billed directly by the city or town you live in.
@@MikeFrankovich In the PR of MD, registration extortion comes in at $187 every two years and emissions is also checked every two years. For that registration fee/tax, all they do is mail you a computer generated paper registration update and a sticker to put on your rear license plate (note we require having both front and rear plates displayed). As you can see, like every other fee in MD, it is highly excessive and unjustified, other than they can and do rip you off. Vehicles before 1995 do not require emissions testing, or you can designate a car 20 years old or older as "historic", and it does not require emissions testing, BUT when you do have historic tags, there are restrictions for its use. A "historic" vehicle is not supposed to be used a daily driver. I have some vehicles that are 20yo or older, but do not have them designated as historic because I don't want restrictions placed on how I can use them.
Lived in Ct and in the late 90's dealerships that knew Oldsmobile was dying and other dealerships would do just this, they got all their classic and interesting cars from the late seventies trans ams, firebird formulas and camaro z28's, mustangs and muscle cars etc from ca buy them for a song after failing smog ship them across country repaint them when rust free do some reconditioning and sell way north of what they paid for with the former california plates on them in "new classic car showroom." They got their asking price too and Ct told them you can have classic car plates but there was a 2500 miles or so annual limit on driving and safety inspections and taxes had to be paid but it created anew business model well before the reality tv show flippers. and because ca smog wasn't required the pumps, smog equipment etc. was sold with the car removed and out in box in the trunk. Funny thing is the smog cutoff date was 1980 in Ct.[ it is now 1997 and later but they usually rust out or the cold weather kills them] so an unexperienced tech ran an old 6.6 powered olds 79 formula and a newer 5.9v8 powered ram 2500. guess which one ran lower hc and co numbers? Yeah -it was the pontiac and it ran cleaner in a closed shop after sitting15 days then the truck did after a cold start. THE GM TURBOHYDROMATIC 350 TRANSMISSION WAS BULLET PROOF COMPARED TO THE DODGE. A Dodge truck leasee bought the formula to drive in the summer when not doing business to keep mileage low on the lease, he still has that car with exception for a newer timing chain and water pump he fixed everything on it himself from battery to brakes and said when used in the pandemic and didn't renew his lease or repurchase when car prices went astonomical that old firebird saved him $15-25,000 from 2020-22 including emissions tests/related repairs and other repairs and taxes. His wife trusted the firebird more than the newer Kia she had to not breakdown.
Mike do you know Scott Peterson, he sure is aware of what is going on in the midwest, is he an editor for one of the magazines . Anyway intresting comments. Wayne
The Hammer and Sickle is alive and well in the People's Republic of California.
I can’t wait to hear what Monterey car week participants will think of this (and other major California shows). They’re probably rich enough to get exemptions. Hope they will back everyone.
Don't count on it.
Yes. I too got that letter. I have my parents 1958 Cadillac they bought in 1960. I was just 1 year old. Its still on the road. I also have a near pristine 68 Mustang I bought in 1977 while in High school. Its still on the road also. Obviously being a complete car nut since birth, lol the thought of California banning CLASSIC CARS, infuriates and scares me . I dont think they will ever be able get it done tho, the outcry and pushback from owners, and enthusiasts across the country would be so great, they dare not try it!!
Thousands...if not millions of us... ought to go on a mass convoy from around the country and head up to Sacramento to make our voices heard!
Saturday there's a good show a little north of san berdo in phelan, usually a good turnout and some very nice cars, food, vendors
Lowrider por vida here with my two Bombas 1952 GM Chevy Bel Air hard top deluxe and my 1934 GM Chevy master roadster convertible rumble seat virgin cars restored. my older brothers used to have to smog our 1965 VW panel van back in the 1970s in Socal, Orange County Santa Ana. GOD BLESS US All.
Gotta keep these classics where folks can admire them.
@@MikeFrankovich Yes sir Mike! we share our hard work on our rolling works of art we put mucho dinero time sweat and tears and sacrifices to restore them beauties.
I'm pretty sure the amount of human feces and drugs open to outside air is a more dominant threat in CA than classic cars ever will be. I was last there in 2010-11, and its sad how fast things can change.
The biggest threat to California is the loss of the manufacturing sector, wealth inequality, and folks like billionaire Stephen Schwartzman buying up the affordable housing, turning it all into rentals and doubling the rents. There was a time when billionaires paid much higher taxes and that revenue made projects like the national highway system possible and our space program too. But it also made it difficult for a venal billionaire to literally come into an urban economy and buy up all the affordable housing. Wealth inequality is the hallmark of a Third World Economy, and that's what's really destroying America.
im a native Californian and love how a person from another state visits California for a short time and suddenly they become experts of everything california
How much is it their business to know what and how much gasoline people put in their car?
Whatever I put in it, is none of their business. What's next? Keeping track of the receipts, each time you tank for gas? f.o..
They care about your evaporative emissions and the fact that your old car doesn't control it. It does not matter that the amounts are too infinitesimal to matter. Classic Car enthusiasts will not have the money or political clout to get a seat at the table. That makes them easy targets.
No means no. End of discussion.
Just stand up against your governor! It’s not hard. Push back and do something about it!
Thanks for the info mike 👍
Liberal and communist politicians almost always say the opposite of what they intend to do, if they know it will not be popular. My guess is to expect some sort of ban.
Shouldn't they be able to get the necessary data they need just by checking their own vehicle registration record's? Any of the other data they are requesting seems redundant and intrusive.
Yes super intrusive I would never tell them any of that stuff government is always up to no good
Just overwhelm the population with all manner of restrictions. Classic California. Gas generators, BBQ's, gas lawn mowers, gas stoves, furnaces cars, etc, etc, etc.
Good video Mike! Cheers!
Your point of the ground level folk banding together is critical. Not because of classic car life style but simply because of the fact we literally live together and get along alot better than media and leadership on both sides would mention.
Otherwise, our love for classic cars will be a concern of the past compared to all well face.
I want our politicians to become zero emissions. The amount of crap they spew daily is much worse than what comes from the tailpipes of a few old cars driven on weekends.
thanks for sharing mike,i enjoy your videos, keep up the good work, they cant have my collection.
I'm keeping mine
Tell that to all the owners of pre-DEF diesel trucks. There was a wave of sales due to the fact that they are no longer eligible to be used in CA. Some were sold unbelievably cheap being very low mileage and in good overall condition. I really wanted to buy one, but they made it so you could not even drive it out of the state. Since I live on the East Coast, the cost to transport them made it cost-prohibitive for me. I would have considered making the 3000 mile drive if it was just the fuel/tolls and a cost of a flight. Given those costs to move the units, it made the market of buyers smaller, and therefore, some of the vehicles sold at very low prices. It had a large depressive impact on the vehicle values given they were no longer permitted to be operated on public roads in CA. Say whatever about the "story-line" from CARB. They will use it to make the case that classic cars are gross polluters. They will be easy targets given CC owners won't have the "purchasing power" needed to fight them being banned. It WILL end with your vehicle being devalued in the similar fashion when all of a sudden the market of CCs is flooded.
Thank you for this topic this is your new subscriber on the West Coast to Los Angeles. Thank you. Please keep us updated on this issue and I hope they do bump it up after 1978. I am myself on classic cars and I hate when this topic pops up about taking our cars away or if not taking our cars away but when the air emissions pop it pops up, and yes you’re right you don’t see a lot of classic cars. Just driving around on a daily basis ! Well, thank you for this topic over here on the West Coast
Maryland is like CALIE on air pollution.but Maryland is rust bucket zone .Not many classics CALIE has the most I think ?
Yet, politicians fly in private airplanes, own hugh mansions, large pools, wooden decks, greenest grass etc.
" Do as i say, not as I do.": attitude.
FJB and the Swamp, now and Forever!
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Yep. Why aren’t they targeting the lawn equipment of the people that maintain their yards? Get rid of two-cycle weed eaters and leaf blowers, and inefficient lawn mowers. Make them go electric. 😂
I own a beautiful 1970 Monte Carlo, which I bought in 1980. It only had 70,000 miles on it and I thought that was pretty good for a 10 year old car. It is my first and only car, and I drive it every day. If California restricts or bans "classic car" use, I am totally up the creek. I don't want to buy a new or used car, and I damn sure don't want to buy an electric car! I am desperately hoping that this benighted state doesn't take action against my beautiful 1970 Chevrolet.
I had a 1967 Cuda Factory 383 for over 20 years. I got out of owning it because I would never get it to the place it really needed to be. But, I always knew the state of CA would be coming for the older cars and here we are. Not sure what they are going to do, but I do know, it won't be good for classic car owners.
thanks mike great job on True News.👍👍
Thanks for listening
Thanks for sharing your knowledge
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Aren't you glad you took my advice at 2:00 seriously :) .
It’s all your fault!
Mike, I have been putting the bug about rolling smog and becoming currentvwith Assemblyman Carlos Villapudua. He's an owner of a 65 Impala. For a demorat, hes very reasonable. Hes from Stockton. I have written somec25 major after market CEOs to put the pressure on the CA kegislature as well as the Assn of CA Car Clubs, which I am a member.
I believe they don't really care to fight this issue. They'll cry bsnkruptcy when they know that their business has been slowly killed. Too late then and no sympathy from the pols.
Thanks for information , mike !
No problem. I've been holding onto the letter until I got some answers. Hopefully the video clears up some things.
PEOPLE OF CALIFORNIA. YOU ARE GETTING WHAT YOU VOTED FOR.
I believe there was more cheating they want the people truly wanted
Just remember that when seat belt laws were being debated ,not wearing one was a secondary offense.
DON'T TRUST THEM!
6:29 it’s not a fleet because they aren’t owned by a company. It’s none of their business and if they want data they should contact the DMV.
They can have my classic cars when they pry the keys from my cold dead hands! 🙌
Just another reason to leave California. It was a beautiful place in the 1960’s but when Jerry Brown got elected everything turned to shit and it gets worth daily. Glad we don’t have people here that want to ban everything with a gas engine.
What has helped to destroy California is the fact that they keep enticing more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more people to come here. We now have 40 million people, and we don't have enough water for that many. The traffic is horrible, the Real Estate prices are horrible, the crime is horrible. I am a native, and my house is paid for, but I honestly don't know why anybody would want to move here. I sure wouldn't.
The more I hear about CA the more I am glad I do not live there.
People are living longer and longer, yet there are so few things for them to do except watch TV and surf the Internet. And now they want to take one of the only activities/hobbies they have away from them. These classic cars get men and women outdoors to maintain and polish their classic cars, and to make friends with other folks doing the same thing. Would like to see the authorities actually make it easier for classic car owners to get their cars repaired, maybe even encourage more specialty garages to affordably help keep these automobiles running clean and promote associations that bring traditional car lovers together. Historic car owners need to do more to make politician aware of how car shows enrich communities and families, especially when dads, daughters and sons, and even wives interact together around these automobiles. Children need their dads, and learning to install a headlight or fan belt together brings fathers and their children together. Nothing wrong with a bit of TV and Internet surfing from time to time, but it’s so much more wholesome to interact with real people than folks on a screen, don’t you think? Lets get out of the nursing homes and check out a local car show.
I wish the citizens would draw up a ballot initiative to get rid of C.A.R.B.
So Mike what's going to happen to the lowriders that cruise?
Thanks for info.
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I have a 1984 c/10 pickup( smog required) any pointers where I can find smog components for this vehicle?
If it's not an available part you'll have to search junkyards for the original smog equipment.
Thanks for the quick response,
I figured. I’ve been doing that junkyard fund but not an easy task.
Most trucks are all hacked up and engine parts are the first to go.
What are you looking for?
There are tons of those trucks in yards all across the country, if it's a federal part, you should be okay to get it, I would think. California-specific parts, if any, I can't say.
I have a 1966 GTO its like new
Nice car....like your videos alot🎉🎉🎉🎉
Thank you! 👍
Its unconstitutional for the government to limit our ability to move and/or assemble freely
They need to move the smog exempt to 1985 or 1990. I want to see more 80s cars back on the road
I have 8 classic cars, 2 are 78 Oldsmobiles, an 84, 85, 56, 64, 65. 68 cars. Smog for the 80's cars are becoming stricter to pass. Blame Arnold for using an Executive Order to halt the rolling 25 year exemptions. Everyone of those cars run clesner and better thsn when they were new. None of my cars get more than 1k miles annually, most dont go over 500 miles. Why I want to leave Kommifornia snd loathe the politics here.
You mean chinafornia
They won't band these cars there's a lot of money involved, they would lose a lot of sales tax, reproduction parts prices are through the roof. It takes a lot to restore and maintain a classic vehicle it's a huge industry not only in California, I don't think they'll shoot themselves in the foot.
The state really can't afford to lose more of these businesses. They're huge employers and tax contributors.
@@MikeFrankovichthey didn't care with Boeing or tesla. It's about making California even poorer, being one of the top 5 economies I the world. Didn't Newsom get re called? From Canada with love ( also under tyranny)
Have you looked at California lately? They most certainly would ban cars. The goal is net zero carbon emissions by 2045. That means no combustion of any kind by that date. No stoves, furnaces, cars etc. 99% of reproduction parts are made overseas so that's a moot point. And they'll get their tax money when they force people to buy EVs and tax them through the roof. And electric rates will skyrocket and they'll tax that too.
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2035 is the target in Kommifornia for zero ICE cars being sold here.
Thanks for this, Mike, you're a class act.
You're welcome
Thanks for information enjoy your channel 👍
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You're quite articulate for a guy in a floral print shirt. Lol, great information and a sincere thanks.
It's a Trader Sam's tiki bar shirt from Disneyland. A bit of a collector item now.
move to TEXAS
Why? As soon as the Democrats give these illegal migrants the right to vote Texas will be as blue as blue can be.
Control AND Revenue.
Good video, thanks. Subscribed...
Cool 1969 .!!!
Thanks. There's a video on it on the channel.
This letter has nothing to do with vehicle bans, at least not for now.
Pretty much. They will probably try to push through the zero emissions zones in the future.