Really nice equipment wish I could afford it I'm doing a build on my car ( 19 Camry) I'm using equipment from numerous dealers but mainly just trying to learn from more experienced people so I am starting to post videos of the build in hopes that people will comment and help but it seems like you already know what you are doing I like it good SQ setup
Thanks man! I've been into car audio for 30+ years! However, I've learned a lot more from Dean &Fernando, 5star, Eduardo, technoexpress, Chris, the garage, and so many other's willing to share their knowledge that value the 12Vomt industry! ( Also, I enjoy trying new/different set ups, as the car environment is harsh/challenging.)
I was thinking of getting the card that docks into the 8/30dsp amp for my bluetooth streaming. Was told it was $250 or $300 bucks. Any thoughts? Have you used or listened?
@@jamiecoulter1923 it is cleaner but I don't know that it's that much more noticeable, unless you have a DSP with digital optical output going into an amp with digital optical input at 96k is when I've noticed the biggest difference
Thanks Christian, I've always had this question about external streamers like this Amas Mosconi, I'm thinking on adding one (the same way you did via Toslink) to my Helix dsp mini mk2..however I'm not sure if the equalization I already did on the dsp to accomodate the factory HU will prevail, or do I have to make a new EQ on the dsp to match the new source (Toslink)? The streamer I intend to try is the Fiio br13, which by the way has presets of EQ like most aftermarket radios have (rock, rap, classical, etc.)
If your helix dsp has a seperate preset, which I believe it does, I would use/start that as a seperate source input& dsp tune that input separately ,to what you are already using ( I would assume Helix has a specific input for the toslink- that is where I would try that from. I would then run the source directly to the toslink input flat , and then start tuning from the DSP itself, for that specific output.) Toslink input, for me, has always been a higher s/n ratio, so Ive had to turn gains down to accomodate for the stronger signal. Thanks for watching :-)
@jovenlara5868 If you have an Android Smartphone or Tablet you'll want to connect to the FiiO BR13 using the LDAC codec which is far superior to any other Bluetooth codec at the moment IF LDAC is set to "Highest Quality" and "900/990kbps". However, there are multiple settings for the Quality of LDAC Bluetooth streaming. kbps = kilobits per second. For reference, a standard CD is 16-bit/44.1kHz Sample Rate which results in a bitrate of 1,411kbps. LDAC has the following options: LDAC 300/330kbps (Lowest Quality/Best Connection) LDAC 600/660kbps (Medium Quality/Good Connection, but potentially less range) LDAC 900/990kbps (Highest Quality/Good Connection IF you are nearby & and have a strong signal with no RF interference. This is usually not a problem inside a car). By default, your Android Smartphone or Tablet will connect in the "Adaptive" LDAC mode, which automatically selects between the 3 different Quality settings above, but usually sets the connection to the Lowest Quality and Bitrate in order to maintain a good connection with less chances of audio dropouts rather than the highest quality. To force the connection to LDAC and to the Highest Quality, you need to go into the smartphone's or tablet's Settings and Enable "Developer Options". Then go into the Developer Options settings and scroll down to the Bluetooth Settings and Select "LDAC" as the Bluetooth Audio Codec, then select "HD Audio" or "Highest Quality" + "900/990kbps". There are also options for 16-bit, 24-bit, and 32-bit. 16-bit is fine because LDAC's Highest Quality is still only 990kbps, which is less than the CD's 1,411. You can select "Use System Selection (Default)" under the "Bluetooth Audio Bits Per Sample". For the "Bluetooth Audio Sample Rate", Select "Use System Selection (Default)" which for Android is 48kHz. Note that if your digital music file is a different native bitrate (such as 44.1kHz, 88.2kHz, or 96kHz), this setting will cause the Android Audio Kernel to "Resample" any of those to 48kHz. If you want to force the Bluetooth Codec's Sample Rate to that of the native music file, select the appropriate Sample Rate of the file here. Bluetooth Audio Codec Selection Channel Mode: You'll obviously want this set to STEREO and not Mono unless you are doing some specific tuning and want a Mono signal. Needless to say, simply selecting "LDAC" does NOT mean that you are streaming at the Highest possible Quality. You MUST adjust these settings to do so. NOTE that there are similar settings when your music playback source device does not have LDAC, Apt-X, or Apt-X HD. In that case and for iPhones/iPads you can either select "AAC" (Apple Audio Codec) or "SBC", which is the original audio codec for Bluetooth when it was first developed. It is backwards-compatible with nearly all Bluetooth devices. In Bluetooth signal measurement tests on the Audio Science Review Forums, "SBC" had less artifacts and had the best audio quality compared to AAC, Apt-X, or Apt-X HD. Only LDAC set to "HD Audio" & "900/990kbps" was superior and the best overall. HELIX DSP PRESETS: Regarding using the FiiO or another Bluetooth Receiver that's connected directly to your DSP (HELIX or others), you'll want to create a new, separate Tuning Preset with everything the same except to start with a completely FLAT EQ settings. This is because the BT Source and FiiO BT Receiver should have perfectly FLAT Frequency Response and a different LEVEL when they are connected using the Digital Toslink Optical connection, and all of the EQ corrections that you had to make to the OEM Stereo to "fix" the signal coming from it will most likely NOT sound good when using that Flat, Full-Range signal coming from the Bluetooth connection. HTH!
And, if he has an android smartphone, he will need to go to settings, scroll to the build number & then tap it 7 times to open developer options in order to turn the LDAC codec on there.👍🏼( Oh, Never mind, I see you did cover that. I couldn't at first😆)
@jovenlara5868 Oh, and I forgot to mention that I'm using the Audison B-con Bluetooth receiver in two of my cars with excellent results when connected via HD Audio 900/990kbps LDAC. :) It also has a Toslink digital output as well as a Toslink "pass-through" and the analog RCA preamp outputs. Cheers!
@christiandshatto7765 Hey Christian. Thanks for the video. I'm curious to know what the rest of your system in this car consists of? You are obviously using the Mosconi Pro 4/30 and the newer Gladen/Mosconi AERO 8|12 DSP. What other amps, speakers, and subwoofers are you using? And I can't tell which Audi you have...are you using a MOST25/150 interface to integrate with the MMI? TBH, I don't think anyone can really perceive or discern the true SQ of your system using the AMAS-96K the way the in-car audio was captured/recorded. You might want to look into a binaural microphone head or the Sennheiser AMBEO Smart Binaural Headset (earbud microphones) that Peter Steinbacher from PSsound uses for his in-car demo recordings. ;) Cheers!
In this setup the focal es165kx2 comps, active, and a single pg ti3 12" sub, currently being powered by the morel mps550.1 monoblock. Thanks for the input on better mics. ( I really just started posting here last year so I can delete videos to save on device storage, lol.) And bam, I have followers, so I continue to post what I'm doing/using. Not trying to compete with any other channels. However, if it continues to grow, I may very well need to invest in the better mics/cameras. Thanks for your detailed input/advice, I do appreciate it 👍🏼👍🏼😃
@@christiandshatto7765 Thanks...Nice setup. ...and I just saw in one of your other videos that you have a late model Audi A4 B9. ;) Haven't seen a PG Ti3 sub in a minute! But in one of my previous SQ systems back in the day I ran the PG Titanium Elite Ti9m midbass in the doors and then in custom kickpanels and they did quite well. ;) Sold that car long ago along with the Ti9m still in it plus an extra pair of BNIB Ti9m drivers...that I should have kept, dammit! Cheers!
Really nice equipment wish I could afford it I'm doing a build on my car ( 19 Camry) I'm using equipment from numerous dealers but mainly just trying to learn from more experienced people so I am starting to post videos of the build in hopes that people will comment and help but it seems like you already know what you are doing I like it good SQ setup
Thanks man! I've been into car audio for 30+ years! However, I've learned a lot more from Dean &Fernando, 5star, Eduardo, technoexpress, Chris, the garage, and so many other's willing to share their knowledge that value the 12Vomt industry! ( Also, I enjoy trying new/different set ups, as the car environment is harsh/challenging.)
I was thinking of getting the card that docks into the 8/30dsp amp for my bluetooth streaming. Was told it was $250 or $300 bucks. Any thoughts? Have you used or listened?
@@jamiecoulter1923 it is cleaner but I don't know that it's that much more noticeable, unless you have a DSP with digital optical output going into an amp with digital optical input at 96k is when I've noticed the biggest difference
Thanks Christian, I've always had this question about external streamers like this Amas Mosconi, I'm thinking on adding one (the same way you did via Toslink) to my Helix dsp mini mk2..however I'm not sure if the equalization I already did on the dsp to accomodate the factory HU will prevail, or do I have to make a new EQ on the dsp to match the new source (Toslink)? The streamer I intend to try is the Fiio br13, which by the way has presets of EQ like most aftermarket radios have (rock, rap, classical, etc.)
If your helix dsp has a seperate preset, which I believe it does, I would use/start that as a seperate source input& dsp tune that input separately ,to what you are already using ( I would assume Helix has a specific input for the toslink- that is where I would try that from. I would then run the source directly to the toslink input flat , and then start tuning from the DSP itself, for that specific output.) Toslink input, for me, has always been a higher s/n ratio, so Ive had to turn gains down to accomodate for the stronger signal. Thanks for watching :-)
@@christiandshatto7765 Thanks man, cheers from Mexico
@jovenlara5868
If you have an Android Smartphone or Tablet you'll want to connect to the FiiO BR13 using the LDAC codec which is far superior to any other Bluetooth codec at the moment IF LDAC is set to "Highest Quality" and "900/990kbps".
However, there are multiple settings for the Quality of LDAC Bluetooth streaming. kbps = kilobits per second. For reference, a standard CD is 16-bit/44.1kHz Sample Rate which results in a bitrate of 1,411kbps. LDAC has the following options:
LDAC 300/330kbps (Lowest Quality/Best Connection)
LDAC 600/660kbps (Medium Quality/Good Connection, but potentially less range)
LDAC 900/990kbps (Highest Quality/Good Connection IF you are nearby & and have a strong signal with no RF interference. This is usually not a problem inside a car).
By default, your Android Smartphone or Tablet will connect in the "Adaptive" LDAC mode, which automatically selects between the 3 different Quality settings above, but usually sets the connection to the Lowest Quality and Bitrate in order to maintain a good connection with less chances of audio dropouts rather than the highest quality.
To force the connection to LDAC and to the Highest Quality, you need to go into the smartphone's or tablet's Settings and Enable "Developer Options". Then go into the Developer Options settings and scroll down to the Bluetooth Settings and Select "LDAC" as the Bluetooth Audio Codec, then select "HD Audio" or "Highest Quality" + "900/990kbps".
There are also options for 16-bit, 24-bit, and 32-bit. 16-bit is fine because LDAC's Highest Quality is still only 990kbps, which is less than the CD's 1,411. You can select "Use System Selection (Default)" under the "Bluetooth Audio Bits Per Sample".
For the "Bluetooth Audio Sample Rate", Select "Use System Selection (Default)" which for Android is 48kHz. Note that if your digital music file is a different native bitrate (such as 44.1kHz, 88.2kHz, or 96kHz), this setting will cause the Android Audio Kernel to "Resample" any of those to 48kHz. If you want to force the Bluetooth Codec's Sample Rate to that of the native music file, select the appropriate Sample Rate of the file here.
Bluetooth Audio Codec Selection Channel Mode: You'll obviously want this set to STEREO and not Mono unless you are doing some specific tuning and want a Mono signal.
Needless to say, simply selecting "LDAC" does NOT mean that you are streaming at the Highest possible Quality. You MUST adjust these settings to do so.
NOTE that there are similar settings when your music playback source device does not have LDAC, Apt-X, or Apt-X HD. In that case and for iPhones/iPads you can either select "AAC" (Apple Audio Codec) or "SBC", which is the original audio codec for Bluetooth when it was first developed. It is backwards-compatible with nearly all Bluetooth devices.
In Bluetooth signal measurement tests on the Audio Science Review Forums, "SBC" had less artifacts and had the best audio quality compared to AAC, Apt-X, or Apt-X HD. Only LDAC set to "HD Audio" & "900/990kbps" was superior and the best overall.
HELIX DSP PRESETS:
Regarding using the FiiO or another Bluetooth Receiver that's connected directly to your DSP (HELIX or others), you'll want to create a new, separate Tuning Preset with everything the same except to start with a completely FLAT EQ settings.
This is because the BT Source and FiiO BT Receiver should have perfectly FLAT Frequency Response and a different LEVEL when they are connected using the Digital Toslink Optical connection, and all of the EQ corrections that you had to make to the OEM Stereo to "fix" the signal coming from it will most likely NOT sound good when using that Flat, Full-Range signal coming from the Bluetooth connection.
HTH!
And, if he has an android smartphone, he will need to go to settings, scroll to the build number & then tap it 7 times to open developer options in order to turn the LDAC codec on there.👍🏼( Oh, Never mind, I see you did cover that. I couldn't at first😆)
@jovenlara5868
Oh, and I forgot to mention that I'm using the Audison B-con Bluetooth receiver in two of my cars with excellent results when connected via HD Audio 900/990kbps LDAC. :) It also has a Toslink digital output as well as a Toslink "pass-through" and the analog RCA preamp outputs.
Cheers!
@christiandshatto7765
Hey Christian. Thanks for the video. I'm curious to know what the rest of your system in this car consists of?
You are obviously using the Mosconi Pro 4/30 and the newer Gladen/Mosconi AERO 8|12 DSP. What other amps, speakers, and subwoofers are you using?
And I can't tell which Audi you have...are you using a MOST25/150 interface to integrate with the MMI?
TBH, I don't think anyone can really perceive or discern the true SQ of your system using the AMAS-96K the way the in-car audio was captured/recorded.
You might want to look into a binaural microphone head or the Sennheiser AMBEO Smart Binaural Headset (earbud microphones) that Peter Steinbacher from PSsound uses for his in-car demo recordings. ;)
Cheers!
In this setup the focal es165kx2 comps, active, and a single pg ti3 12" sub, currently being powered by the morel mps550.1 monoblock. Thanks for the input on better mics. ( I really just started posting here last year so I can delete videos to save on device storage, lol.) And bam, I have followers, so I continue to post what I'm doing/using. Not trying to compete with any other channels. However, if it continues to grow, I may very well need to invest in the better mics/cameras. Thanks for your detailed input/advice, I do appreciate it 👍🏼👍🏼😃
@@christiandshatto7765
Thanks...Nice setup. ...and I just saw in one of your other videos that you have a late model Audi A4 B9. ;)
Haven't seen a PG Ti3 sub in a minute! But in one of my previous SQ systems back in the day I ran the PG Titanium Elite Ti9m midbass in the doors and then in custom kickpanels and they did quite well. ;) Sold that car long ago along with the Ti9m still in it plus an extra pair of BNIB Ti9m drivers...that I should have kept, dammit!
Cheers!
@bbfoto7248 '21 A4, b9 platform, non amplified, correct :)
So I'm curious about a statement that you made. This only puts out 16 bit 44khz?
That is correct, the newer LD device will put out LDAC
@@christiandshatto7765
Interesting!!!
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Never heard of it? ( Slash 6?) This was lent to me to test from 5Star car stereo
SLASH 6 IS BETTER