WTF Karen Pavicic!?
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- Опубліковано 21 лют 2018
- Learn how to be a better rider instead of looking for loopholes! Karen Pavicic is a professional rider with funding and sponsor who expect her to conduct herself and compete in a professional manner. Unfortunately, this week she has chosen to choose a loophole that allows her to compete among the amateurs at the CDI 1* in Wellington,Florida.
As seasoned professional, Canadian Pan Am team member and Olympic hopeful, one would hope, Karen Pavicic would make choses to help grow and encourage more people in the sport. Instead she is looking for loopholes in the system to chase a blue ribbon! This is where dressage fails in the future.
Here is a link to an article that was written as a response to this video, after Karen Pavicic competed as an amateur. This Blog is written as one professional to another and provides some well thought out points of the impact of this move on dressage as a whole. fortheloveofjake.wordpress.co...
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But the thing is, she is an amateur..
She skipped stages, to get to the top, before she was ready, and now she has to pay for it.
Should she compete against amateurs, no, because she has gone to far.. She can no longer be viewed as an amateur, that was her career choice, and now she's gotta pay for it.
I was an amateur dog handler, but the dog wasn't, so I had to compete in the level as the dog was in. I lost. Which happens, when you try to rush something. (it was just for fun, with someone else's dog)
It didn't matter how good the dog was, because I wasn't ready for that level.
Karen isn't really good enough for her level, but she has gotten there, and now she has to stay there.
Better work on yourself Karen... 😜
I couldn't agree more. Someone called her a regional level rider on one of our more recent videos and that is very accurate.
To even compare the sports of dog shows to this isn't even close to being the same. A well trained dog will basically do all the work. You just follow and act like you know what you're doing. A good judge judges the dog not you. A good judge can pick out a novice handler every time. Take a bleeding or skittish dog into the show ring and watch how fast you get a DQ.
Stop judging her get a life
So unfair for her to ride against amateurs. Karma will visit her.
Awww, she is riding that horse so hollow, what happened to this sport? So sad. :(
I subscribe not just for educational videos but also to keep my awarness of what is going on overseas in the competition world good and bad. Keeping informed is a good thing. Your no bullshit attitude rocks!!! Keep at it. The smart people want to learn and be informed. Not hide their head in the sand to unpleasant truths
So what i am pulling from this video is this Professional rider is competing against Amateurs? That's messed up! She obviously just wants easy wins! And i didn't see her horse canter ONCE in this video!!
What I don't understand is, why the judges don't do anything. See a horse that has a blue tongue or is in rollkur score a 0. Watch and see how fast the dressage world changes. I don't like dressage anyway. I used to love it but you could see horse and riders work together and dance. Now it's mostly just abuse. Sorry but as soon as the rider desperately wants a 10 cents ribbon, the horse loses. And that needs to change.
Money. And she sleeps with the show manager
@Lokibae - 👍 👏👏👏 So well expressed & written. I agree, I despise it now as well. Even the Judging system is corrupt & subjective, unlike Stadium Jumping & Cross Country. The only group in Dressage that is kind to their horses is Dujardine (sp?) from G. Britain - tons of ♥️ & free time, pasturing for her/ their horses.... and she wins. SHE should write the Rules to change & improve this sport (?).
@@mdee860 If you want to see good dressage, look at reiner klimke videos. Thats old school dressage and how it should be. You can see the difference. And thank you for your kind comment.
This horse is reacting to having his chin being held against his neck and his mouth being torqued by two bits. Maybe you need to really take a look at this sport.
Yes, they've lost me completely. I feel SO sorry for these horses. Between Rolkur, Shock Spurs, Steroids, cruel bits, Feed Withholding - as punishment (WTF?) Let's not forget little to Zero time off, No Turnouts & for those few who do - mostly an hour or two sporadically & seldomly. The others are 100% stall bound w/ the owners LYING & saying their Insurance Policy won't allow it, etc., etc. It's a big, fat lie. And now.... the worst offenders are fighting so that the Public can't witness what happens to their horses during Warm-Up! If you're not doing anything wrong - then why the need for secrecy???? In my opinion - the Germans are the most brutal & cruel with their training methods. To be fair, I have not heard actual accounts of Russian, Chinese or Brazillian methods. 🤔
Unnatural thing to do to a horse. Blue tongue? Bad. Unnatural neck bend? Bad. Ouch. Winning at any cost.... cost to the animal .... I really don’t care for all this competition that destroys the horse/rider respect and any positive communication. And the dressage crowd sits and watches and applauds and the riders earn their points while their horses mouths bleed and their tongues turn blue. Depressing.
I entirely agree. I’m pretty sure that dressage didn’t used to be as brutal as this? I rode a Welsh Mountain pony as a child in shows, on a double bridle but I was complemented on my soft hands and there were never any mouth issues. By the way, the pony I rode would naturally arch his neck even in a snaffle.
I wish judges would give a "4" to any movement performed with the horse's nose behind the vertical. Only then will dressage regain its legitimacy, in my view. It would be much more exciting to watch.
Isn't that surely the fault of the sport, I'm pretty sure in most sports if you qualify professionally, you can't just then decide because you aren't winning as much to enter amateur competitions, simply because you want to. The people in charge let her do it, so they must think it's ok. (No hateful or bullying comments required, Thanks).
Sure, do you want me to start listing the things wrong with the sport? I can do that to, she still made a shitty choice as a person.
Are professional riders allowed to ride a completely green, first outing new horse in an amateur event?
No
@@DressageHub I’m honestly curious and not trying to be a smartass when I ask this.... if the trainer can’t compete at an Amateur event to introduce a completely green horse to showing, how are they supposed to introduce the horse to the show environment? Again, I’m honestly curious how that process works at the higher levels
@@clfisher10 Do it at a regular show at an appropriate level. Not being able to compete in amateur classes does not mean you have to take a green horse and shove it into a grand prix. It can start from the bottom just like all other horses, but in a class where the other green horses are ridden by professionals too, and not amateurs.
@@clfisher10 I am by no means a professional, but I know whenever we went to shows, my trainer would take green horses to the shows and not compete with them, but just bring them to the environment so they got used to being to the chaos and energy of shows without worrying about winning. I also showed quite a few horses whom I knew would not place well just to get them used to showing and have fun. I assume people at higher levels might do similar things to get their horses more comfortable with show environments.
You rant girl!!!!💞😆
Not to start a fight, not to troll, but...I think I'll stick to my hard working Standardbreds, to Cowboy Dressage and to Centered Riding. Lots more fun, it seems.🙄
Definitely more fun. These bitches are crazy.
@@DressageHub 😅
That poor horse was trying so hard to breathe
competing against whom whatever is not the point, only jealous people talk about, the point is the blue tongue .......so bad or are you jealous on blue tongue ?
Well when I made the blue tongue video about Karen Pavicic nobody seemed to care.
whoa! before we burn anyone at the stake ! lets get more information not just a rant! professionals do not compete on same rules as amatures/owners, its in usef , usdf ,ushj. and so on,
Maria Naslund what's the question. She is a pro that competed as an amateur burn the bitch at the stake is the general consensus of the industry.
They are not being ridden between hand and leg in a soft way more trapped between hand and leg, they need to be able to move their necks and heads
I don't disagree with you entirely but if your asking Karen to have some class perhaps you could have some yourself. There are lots of ways to make your point, your presentations speaks volumes about you.
You must be new here. There is nothing classy about DH. We don't even try to be. That's what makes us awesome!
@@DressageHub I have followed your channel for a while. I have also been to Welliington with horses many times. There is no mystery, guess I am jaded, I see it all for what it is, no illusions. The term Amateurs is highly misused. The sport is so not tailored to encourage or support the hobbyist, back yard working class that have talent and commitment but not the huge dollars and support. But we love it.
Yes, it does speak volumes about her. Confident, bold, articulate, knowledgeable, straight up and says what she thinks. We need more people like her. Oh, and passionate about what she believes. I can't stand wishy washy fence sitters who tell everyone to be kind but are quick to demonise anyone who dares to speak out.
@@sarahwagland1559 Totally agree but you can make your point without getting in the gutter show some class and be articulate. I agree with her point it is her crassness, doesn't really set her much above those she ridicules. I have no problem speaking my mind I have been a show steward for many years and have removed competitors, kicked coaches off the grounds for abuse and drugs and all sorts of issue, but I hope I did it professionally. Just my thoughts.
@@donelookin3386 I get what you're saying but I think she is actually very articulate. Some of us are more sensitive to the use of swear words than others and can find them offensive so I get that. As for crasness, I don't think she really cares what Karen feels, she's simply saying what she thinks. She's angry and after all, this is her play pen, not a place for any one else to pass judgement. Personally, I admire her honesty and courage. I also admire self controlled, fast thinkers who never put a foot wrong and tie their opponents up in knots but these people are truly exceptional because it takes years of practice to develop these skills.
Of course her name is Karen
You'd have much more effect being eloquent than being vulgar with fbombs.
Based on the number of views I would say you are wrong 😜
I am speechless that someone would be so unprofessional to act like this on a video. Sorry I happened upon this.
So speechless that you had to say something. Go polish your halo.
Now you are trying to make riders look bad.. they were right to ban you from global..
Are there no bad riders? Only bad horses?
Karen boarded her horses at the barn I go to. There is nothing wrong with this lady and I feel honored to even be in the same atmosphere as a horse worth millions. I don’t think you should shame someone that isn’t doing anything wrong. Some horses just hold their mouths open. She is an amazing person and you shouldn’t judge her on one thing.
Jennifer fire your coach. If you truly believe that some horses just hold their mouths open, you need to put down the Kool aid, go through detox and read the rules and regs for dressage at a very minimum. Stay educated. Also, if you believe and a wanna be Olympian is doing nothing wrong competing as an amateur just give your head a shake. The cocaine or vodka has clearly blurred your conscious.
Toxic and sycophantic enabler
What about the BLUE tongue then?
How often do you see horses, out in the field, walking around with their mouth open?
They open it, because we put a pain device in there. And then we put this pressure on that device.
And when the horse says ouch, we close its mouth shut with a noseband, and then we blame the horse for acting up, and that it should just accept the bit..
The horse is difficult, the horse is stupid, the horse is.....
Or the rider has hard hands, the bit doesn't fit that horses mouth, and so on..
I could ride my horse without a noseband, and I was holding her back by my little finger, while she was galloping on the spot in frustration, as her barn friend, run off with her rider.. And she didn't open her mouth..
But that was after 2 years off with working out what she needed from me..
I feel honoured to even be in the same atmosphere as any horse or a donkey for that matter.
what a bad rider....all those horses are in real pain and stress...she shouldn't be allowed to ride at all
Get off his mouth!!!!!
watch your language please. kids watch this.
Karen boarded her horses at the barn I go to. There is nothing wrong with this lady and I feel honored to even be in the same atmosphere as a horse worth millions. I don’t think you should shame someone that isn’t doing anything wrong. Some horses just hold their mouths open. She is an amazing person and you shouldn’t judge her on one thing.
Holding the mouth open and having a blue tongue are very different things. My mothers Welsh D is "gobby" because he was badly bitted before we got him, he has never had a blue tongue though.