I was told by mainstream youtubers to get a AMD gpu for warzone, I was told 3200 and 3600mhz ram is perfect for competitive high end rigs...I was told so much BS that lost me money and time, and after watching a lot of your content for the last year, I've saved so much money and gained so many frames. Thank you my brutally honest youtuber, we need more of you xD
I think the whole AMD GPU thing for Modern Warfare (both MP and Warzone) started with some people getting insane maximum numbers when looking at the sky / into the ocean or whatever. Zoomers did this with Fortnite as well, that is how they "benchmark" games it's so fking weird. Mainstream UA-camrs don't play games, or are casual gamers that run high res / high graphics. There are very few exceptions though. Always do your own research!
I have a rx570 and I watch a specific youtuber to get overclock settings and driver tips etc and he says don't use amd gpus for warzone. It's in the amd driver notes of ongoing problems
No bs at all whenever I meet a fellow frame chasers in a different online forum ie fb Reddit etc they’re always more calm cool collective and seem to share common sense which many people lack this community is genuinely awesome
Thx dude I’m building my pc 1 piece at a time. (3 kids lol) the motherboard/ram and cpu where the first pieces I got about 6 months ago and I was worried by the time I finish this thing (January) that I should have gone with a better m/b. Thx for clearing this up.
Another no BS video from the ONLY unbiased hardware tester. Thank you for not waterboarding us with a ton of useless facts and info and for jumping right in to what matters. It's because of your channel that I picked up a good set of bdie ddr4 and never looked back. Has ran flawlessly on both Intel and Amd. One of my best purchases IMO. Thank you for the awesome and honest content!
I'm glad i found this channel, pc gaming are expensive hobby in my 3rd world country with low income (~$300 monthly gdp/capita or $200 min. wage), weak currency and literally zero shop with return policy (unless for RMA and even then you must have the unboxing video otherwise the shop will reject your RMA so you go straight to distro). So yeah thanks alot sir.
I am so glad your channel popped up in my youtube suggestions. I just bought a 5800X3D because I needed to upgrade my cpu not for fast paced e-sports, but for VR simulation games. I just watched some AMD 7000 benchmarks with 6200mhz ram. Not worth the upgrade to AM5 yet. You're right about ram speed, it won't make much of a difference until we start going towards high 7000 ram. You think stuttering on the monitor sucks, wait 'til you try stuttering in VR. What good is all that new architecture, only to be bottlenecked by slow DDR5. I really don't get these guys wtih MBAs making these big corp decisions. If you're excited by AM5, better wait for the X3D. I'm impressed with the 5800X3D, took away most of the stuttering and I can concentrate on just playing the game. Thanks for all the great info. You helped me save a lot of money by not switching over to AM5. Keep it coming.
I just want to point out how memory-speed bound APUs (iGPUs) are: look at the difference in performance between the Z1 Extreme and the 5700G. I reckon, within 2 years, we'll be getting 1440p 60+ fps in AAA titles on integrated graphics. The savings on TDP will be astonishing.
TBF, he didn't say it quite that way. He said if you buy the 4090 you need to get the ATX 3.0 because of the power draw, but you'd probably be fine with the 4080 and 4070 (I don't give a fig about what Nvidia says the name is). I believe it was GN that said they've heard the spikes are 660W already, and that Nvidia doesn't want to release a full 660W version until they can be certain that the PCIe 5.0 power issues are sorted out. I'm not planning on buying this space heater, but if I were, I think that I'd definitely upgrade my PSU rather than risk a fire.
Well. Let's see how the memory modules compare to each other in a couple years when there are a bunch of different CPUs on the market. I'm pretty sure DDR3 and DDR4 had similar performance when they were both trading blows with each other. What does matter though is the minimum size for DDR5 is 8Gb so no more 4Gb windows machines that can hardly run because they're bottlenecked by ram capacity.
No dude, hardware unboxed told me I should spend $130 on shit DDR5 now so that when Zen 6 comes out in 2024 I can spend another $200 on good DDR5 and $300 on a new motherboard that can support it lol
When the availability is there in two years or beyond, most likely both the DDR4 AND DDR5 crowd will be wanting the most up to date motherboards and CPUs to run it. In that case, it makes more sense to have tuned DDR4 platforms until this happens.
Unless you're building a brand new system entirely. (Greater than 1000 dollar budget). At which point getting a 7000 series amd cpu with ddr5 isn't for the ram it's for the cpu performance. You just have no choice in the ram
Make every main components (cpu.gpu,power,mobo,ssd and cooling, technology improvement) details video, don't need to any physical components but research and pin point information needed sir I appreciate your work, thank you very much, I know this comparison but again random suggest by algorithm that's why. Great experience keep it up 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Just finished the video. I'm actually super happy with those results. That means I spent the money I needed to on ram 2 years ago and I can just go get a new GPU and cpu whenever im ready. Don't even need a motherboard. Too bad all that money I save from ram will be going to a 1600w PSU though LMAO.
@@skorpers why? The only downside to 4090 so far is the 12 pin possibly not being so great other than that might be pretty good. I play alot of single player storyline type games. Seems like it could be great for that. But I guess neither of us should be making assumptions about what people should and shouldn't buy without the product being released yet and having one yourself to be telling someone else if it's good or not. Also I'm going to buy the cheapest best for my needs least likely to be shit 1600w psu.
@@skorpers If your spending that much money on a gpu you should usually not too concerned with the resell on it to begin with honestly. You should never expect to get anywhere close to what you paid for any high end tech product even one year down the line. I didn't say I was getting a bad PSU just not a overpriced one. EVGA has platinum ones for 200 because they don't have the new gen connector.
7800 kits are here now, for $390. Does that mean that maybe 8000+ DDR5 kits in 2 years? And will the DDR5 motherboard I buy today be able to run it? This assumes that the Intel CPU I buy today will be able to run that RAM. I think that last one was answered for the most part in the video. Goal is the best balance between COD type games and raytracing. 4090 1440p 240.
I really think that at this point the only reason they're pushing DDR5 so hard is that they don't want to have to point out that a Raptor Lake setup will cost half the price of a Zen4 setup.
Do you happen to own R6 Siege Jufes? It has a built in benchmark and it leverages the CPU and memory quite a bit, would be really interesting to see DDR4 vs DDR5 both maxed out.
Subbed! I almost fell victim to the DDR5 hype. We know it doesn't affect much in gaming now, but I'm curious if it has any effect on productivity apps like Premiere, etc.
Yes it does cause productivity apps love bandwidth. Anything you do with that iGPU will benefit from DDR5. But CPU performance wise its a toss up, depends whether the application prefers lower latency or higher bandwidth.
I purely bought ddr5 for my 12600k as it was going into my mini itx pc and there are no decent ddr4 itx motherboards for 12th gen. Tried the Aorus ultra and it was trash, couldn't even run the 6400 xmp. Went with the z690i unify and it's a brillant board so looking forward to see how far I can push ddr5 2 gen modules.
At least I’ll get the same results as fine tune B Die DDR4 with little effort for games and all the bonus of faster speed and additional 16 GB for the rest
If you guys want Hynix A die go for G.SKILL Trident Z5 Series 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR5 6400 Desktop Memory Model F5-6400J3239G16GX2-TZ5K Just got mine and it’s Hynix A die for 175$ good price I guess
Since warzone does not have an in game benchmark. Which game benchmark would be best to use in order to see if our own OCs improve performance on warzone. Tomb raider, cyberpunk?
@@jvidia ugh don't remember, it's 4000 CL 16 or something like that (Gskill) B die dual rank. I can do 4300 with another kit (SR) but voltages are too high so fuck that, I'm only interested in daily settings. I can probably increase it a bit more if I had a better dual rank kit but I'm still on the default bios so cba messing with it, only did it at launch. Will try again with the 13900K, it's all RNG. I try to do the least amount of effort possible, not a fan of dealing with this for more than a week and even that's pushing it. I do it once at launch and I'm done until the next chip comes out.
Do you think that high resolutions would show better scaling? But otherwise great vid shows that ddr5 needs some more maturity and games just aren't scaling for the extra bandwidth and timings of ddr5 yet.
Of course it will. That's why benchmarks like this are completely worthless. He's cherry picking data to fit a narrative. Who even cares about average frame rate, it's a useless statistics. But sure, just call me a DDR5 copium or whatever. Memory bandwidth will be a huge bottleneck moving forward, especially when you want high frame rate and resolution.
Nice vid, ddr 4 is faster than ddr5, but ddr5 has more bandwidth so it kind of evens off in most cases... nice work as i have not seen anyone pointing this fact, issue is amd is only compatible with ddr5... and you do get " faster storage" with ddr5 as you have pcix5, empasis on "faster" as nvme is a crap show on speed, they only benchmark continuous file transfer in RAM, so it's just a paper number, for comparison a 16g(280MB/s write speed) optane is faster than 3000MB/s nvme in 4k write which is normal workload for a system
OK which is it? Don't take advice from people who can do technical work on their pc's, or not from people who show you how it works out of the box. The point is if you have the know-how to "tune" the settings you're the same as the pro over clockers to joe average. Getting into the bios to set XMP to on is about the limit of knowledge for most gamers, and they're typically ahead of the guy who occasionally games and just wants a good experience with good graphics. I'm smart and educated enough to tweak until I find an optimal OC for stuff on non-xoc cooling gear, but I rarely bother past the easy stuff in the bios because I'm not really interested. Most people want to know the out of box experience with minimal tweaking. And that's what most good tech tubers show. Or they show the part vs others with strong controls to isolate the effects of that one part.
I am planning on going 13th gen Intel. Could I get a recommendation on a good type? I’m going to run the Asus z790 Proart as I’m getting into more creative based things… but will game as well a bit. I was going to get the 6600mhz kit from Corsair the dominator or vengeance 32 cas. The kit only comes in 4 dimms though I saw. I don’t know if that’s going to bite me in the arse. Thank you to anywho for their time
I just got gskill ddr5 7200 cl32 from microcenter and they had 7600 cl34 on the shelf as well. My hero z790 claims it will do 7800mt/s. What is this 2 year thing you speak of. Am I not understanding something?
Hi i came from your EK-RAM Monarch Module test video. Would be possible to test those sticks with the EK-RAM Monarch Module to the maximum OC so i can see the temps ? Thanks
Hmm im a bit surprised. I expected better than 47 ns. Didnt you get the same latency in that 6800 kit in that SR vs DR? So even when you add 800 more you still get the same latency. And in igor's lab's testing of ddr5 they also got the same latency but at a 7200. Intresting. Could it be 47-46ns is the limit of ddr5? Cant you go lower than that? Isnt samsung working on a new die? Also isnt ddr6 close too? Damn too many questions and not enough answers. But thanks for the video. Hopefully more of them soon ❤🐐
Also would love to see this vs the 5800x3d. Does more bandwith help against cache. You're the only tech tuber who does these kinds of niche vids. So thanks for that. I'd like 5800x3d vs ddr5 6400/6600 vs this ddr5 7600. So a how much do you gain or lose from going from the typical consumer ddr5 speed on the market right now against this high end A die. While comparing them both against more cache. How much that 1000 helps against cache if any? And thanks for the content ❤🙏
@@jakehutchens your AIDA benchmark result is completely broken. 200Mhz is 2x of 100Mhz therefore you'r bandwidth results are 2x of reality and you'r latency results are 0,5x of reality. True result is following 95000Mb/s Mwmory Read, 90000Mb/s Memory Write, 92500Mb/s Memory Copy and 60ns Memory Latency.
My personal guess would be that seismic processing would probably like ddr5. If you're loading a large dataset (like a seismic dataset) on to ram to do something with it (like a denoise or a migration), then that bandwidth would have to help. The filesizes are in the hundreds to thousands of gigabytes.
It's the Hedt/workstation "content creators" replacement. ddr5 is for higher density(64gb-128gb sticks)/ better power delivery .Gen 5 pcie is high bandwidth workloads.
Do you know of any trustworthy youtubers that benchmark DDR5 in productivity tasks? I'm curious to see if DDR5 is worth using over DDR4 for production tasks..
I'm afraid there won't be that many good motherboards for raptor like when it comes to DDR4 support. They will most certainly focus good 70-85% to DDR5. Which is a shame. I am seriously considering getting DDR4 4000/cl4 or 4100/cl15 kit paired with 13900K, I only hope there will be a good MOBO. What are your thoughts on this?
Your better off just getting DDR5 and get a budget kit of memory. Especially if your going all new - CPU & MOBO. The low end sticks still work great. Go watch Hardware Unboxed. He did a great video explaining when and why to switch to DDR5.
Did AIDA64 solve the BLCK readouts (it used to scale with the BCLK)? Hell, it can make DDR4 4000 have more than 90-100GB/s of transfer on AIDA64 if you use a BLCK of 150 (but with low multipliers)... Intel Memory Latency Checker would show that it is not the case. However, in this case, 1.3% should not have much impact.
It’s still scales. A got 60MB/s and 50ns with 12490f@4.8 GHz, 4.0 ring, 120 bclk, 3480MT/s 15-18-18-36 on asrock b660m pg riptide. It’s impossible to get that result with my ram speed. IMC shows reasonable bandwidth around 45-47 but same latency of 50ns
@@FrameChasers read enough UA-cam comments and you'll come away thinking that gamers were literally keeping these companies afloat when they buy a single graphics card/CPU every 3 years 🤣
I have 2 issues with your setup test : - Quad Channel but we don't know if it's 4*8 or 2*16, which may influence the performance considering CPUs IMC on 4 sticks. - we don't know any Latency you used either for the DDR4 or the DDR5 testings, which also can have a noticeable difference. Therefore, you data can be interpreted in so many ways because it's incomplete. I appreciate the effort, but be before bashing anyone (and I'm a casual gamer with very basic knowledge, not an overclocker or what so ever), make sure your data provided is unbiased :)
@@DraughanTV Quad channel DDR5 is optimized for non "casual gamer" workloads period. Game engines super dont care about that kind of bandwidth. What more data do you need to know without researching it yourself?
@@weczisTVoh I completely agree the 3600c14 is probably some of the best performance for value bin. There are also 3800c14,4000c16/c17, 4266c16/c17, 4400c17 etc etc... They all perform very similar. It also depends on luck of the draw. My 4000 16-16-16-36 will start to give errors at 1.58~1.6v even on 35c temps whereas my brother's 4000 17-18-18-38 can do even 1.65v with temps in the 40+c. The 4000c14 is possibly a notch above all the other bins, but also extremely expensive and not available anywhere in 2x16gb kits. Anyhow it used to cost 500~$600 when available. Last I checked about a year ago it was still available in its single rank kits 2x8gb tho. I remember before ddr5 came out I saw on extreme oc forums greedy people buying like 3 kits of the 4000c14 and then keeping the best one of the 3 and returning the rest. Sheesh...
@@weczisTV I tune my RAM, including primaries and all of ghe subtimings manually, therefore there's no such thing for an "AMD Only" kit, the 3800c14 is in theory at least a slightly better bin. If you're a normie that sets XMP and moves on with his life because you actually want to do shit on your PC instead of spending a few days tuning and stability testing then 3600c14 is the best set it and forget it for AMD. 3800c14 might be a little problematic if you're running in 1:1:1 mode since not all can do 1900 FCLK stable. For Intel it's a different beast with Alderlake CPUs, as you are mostly limited by the memory controller on the CPU. For example, most 12th gen K CPUs cap out at 3800~4133. Not many can even do over 4000. For example my 4000 CL16 1.4v doesn't work on my 12700K, since the memory controller can only do 3900, so I had to manually tune it to 3900 14-15-14-28 at 1.56v DRAM voltage. By the way what do you mean your 4000c16 isn't as good as 3600c14? what platform are you running it on? are you manually tuning and overclocking it or just setting it on xmp? my 4000c16 kit can also do 3600 14-14-14-28 at 1.43v very easily....
36ns and 59/58/58.5GB/s OR 42ns and 62/61/63GB/s this is for skylake (9th gen 8 core), single rank. b-die is an aids bin 3600c17. can do 3700 c15 cr1 or 4000 c15 cr2, motherboard is a z370 apex, it has no tXP so sub 40ns is harder than it looks
I was told by mainstream youtubers to get a AMD gpu for warzone, I was told 3200 and 3600mhz ram is perfect for competitive high end rigs...I was told so much BS that lost me money and time, and after watching a lot of your content for the last year, I've saved so much money and gained so many frames. Thank you my brutally honest youtuber, we need more of you xD
This guy is going so deep on ram he is slapping balls to balls on ram.
@JacobTech you’re a clown keep preaching that
All this says is Daniel is a follower. Be a leader, Son.
I think the whole AMD GPU thing for Modern Warfare (both MP and Warzone) started with some people getting insane maximum numbers when looking at the sky / into the ocean or whatever. Zoomers did this with Fortnite as well, that is how they "benchmark" games it's so fking weird.
Mainstream UA-camrs don't play games, or are casual gamers that run high res / high graphics. There are very few exceptions though.
Always do your own research!
I have a rx570 and I watch a specific youtuber to get overclock settings and driver tips etc and he says don't use amd gpus for warzone. It's in the amd driver notes of ongoing problems
Glad we didn't have to wait 2 years. Got the teamgroup 7200 newegg deal shown in the discord.
No bs at all whenever I meet a fellow frame chasers in a different online forum ie fb Reddit etc they’re always more calm cool collective and seem to share common sense which many people lack this community is genuinely awesome
Thx dude I’m building my pc 1 piece at a time. (3 kids lol) the motherboard/ram and cpu where the first pieces I got about 6 months ago and I was worried by the time I finish this thing (January) that I should have gone with a better m/b. Thx for clearing this up.
You got it. This guy is going so deep on ram he is slapping balls to balls on ram.
Make sure you test each piece as you receive so you can return if broken. If not, buy all at once. Cheers
@@Cratic1321 good point. I have about 1 in 4 builds with a component that is defective.
ideally you'd buy all the parts at the same time. you gain nothing by waiting that long between parts.
@@Obi-Wan_Kenobi62 I’m paying the parts off one at a time because that is how I afford it lol.
You really should do a comparison to 3200 basic xmp because that’s what tons of big UA-camrs use. It haves the viewers a lot more context.
This is awesome! You are a gift to gamers bro! Thanks again!
I think I'll stick with my 12900ks and dd4 vipers @4100 for a few years. Looks like paying more to upgrade isn't going to be worth it for me
@@t_t4298 no you wrong. I sold my ddr3 pc last week
@@t_t4298 lol, people will def buy a pre tuned system.
@@t_t4298 Do you even own anything? Or you just like getting mad at ppl that have stuff, stuff that works?
@@t_t4298 I never sell my pc's I give them to the kids and just do a full upgrade when the time's right. 🤡🤡🤡🤡
@@t_t4298 I hope you're happy with your $300 DDR5 kit that will be worth $120 in 2 years.
Another no BS video from the ONLY unbiased hardware tester. Thank you for not waterboarding us with a ton of useless facts and info and for jumping right in to what matters. It's because of your channel that I picked up a good set of bdie ddr4 and never looked back. Has ran flawlessly on both Intel and Amd. One of my best purchases IMO. Thank you for the awesome and honest content!
he must be unbiased right. he tells us himself
How can someone be so braindead
@@jrok96 What incentive does he have to lie? Hardware unboxed fanboy detected.
Why didn't I find this channel before! Subscribed.
You’re a Sicko….and I love it
Excellent content as always your channel deserves 1m+ subs ez for such valuable information
Nice vid, I support!!!!!!
Amazing. Ty for the content!
Denial Unboxed is shaking in his boots
Yesterday, Newegg had 2x16gb sticks Team Force 7200mhz CL34 for sale for 350 bucks....soldout of course.
BEST TECH CHANNEL HANDS DOWN, thanks for the time you put into all your testing
Thank you big man!!
I'm glad i found this channel, pc gaming are expensive hobby in my 3rd world country with low income (~$300 monthly gdp/capita or $200 min. wage), weak currency and literally zero shop with return policy (unless for RMA and even then you must have the unboxing video otherwise the shop will reject your RMA so you go straight to distro).
So yeah thanks alot sir.
I am so glad your channel popped up in my youtube suggestions. I just bought a 5800X3D because I needed to upgrade my cpu not for fast paced e-sports, but for VR simulation games. I just watched some AMD 7000 benchmarks with 6200mhz ram. Not worth the upgrade to AM5 yet. You're right about ram speed, it won't make much of a difference until we start going towards high 7000 ram. You think stuttering on the monitor sucks, wait 'til you try stuttering in VR. What good is all that new architecture, only to be bottlenecked by slow DDR5. I really don't get these guys wtih MBAs making these big corp decisions. If you're excited by AM5, better wait for the X3D. I'm impressed with the 5800X3D, took away most of the stuttering and I can concentrate on just playing the game. Thanks for all the great info. You helped me save a lot of money by not switching over to AM5. Keep it coming.
I just want to point out how memory-speed bound APUs (iGPUs) are: look at the difference in performance between the Z1 Extreme and the 5700G. I reckon, within 2 years, we'll be getting 1440p 60+ fps in AAA titles on integrated graphics. The savings on TDP will be astonishing.
Good job much appreciated 💯💪
thx for the tests, prob took ages to dial that speed on those sticks
Best content ever, I legit love this shit
Great video, next video PCIE 5.0 connector drama on 4000 series, Jayz just said to go out and buy new PSU with native PCIE 5.0 connector...incredible
TBF, he didn't say it quite that way. He said if you buy the 4090 you need to get the ATX 3.0 because of the power draw, but you'd probably be fine with the 4080 and 4070 (I don't give a fig about what Nvidia says the name is). I believe it was GN that said they've heard the spikes are 660W already, and that Nvidia doesn't want to release a full 660W version until they can be certain that the PCIe 5.0 power issues are sorted out. I'm not planning on buying this space heater, but if I were, I think that I'd definitely upgrade my PSU rather than risk a fire.
Sinus Leech Tips... I watched them for laughing, because UA-cam took down a lot of good channels, tech too.
Running SK Hynix A-Die on my 12900KS at 7400 CL32. They are insanely fast.
Hey bro, what motherboard you running? Looking for a good mobo for my build :)
Just in time for the new CPU / GPU launch lets go Jufes!
Well. Let's see how the memory modules compare to each other in a couple years when there are a bunch of different CPUs on the market. I'm pretty sure DDR3 and DDR4 had similar performance when they were both trading blows with each other.
What does matter though is the minimum size for DDR5 is 8Gb so no more 4Gb windows machines that can hardly run because they're bottlenecked by ram capacity.
Hi, my names Chris and I fell for the DDR5 future proofing scheme! Please send help 😢
dude great video.
No dude, hardware unboxed told me I should spend $130 on shit DDR5 now so that when Zen 6 comes out in 2024 I can spend another $200 on good DDR5 and $300 on a new motherboard that can support it lol
It would have been nice to see an ATC screenshot, judging by the copy numbers it doesn't seem like you've touched many of the timings
Unfortunately I can’t show subtimings for content protection reasons. UA-cam is cutthroat
@@FrameChasers what?
@@FrameChasers
Doom 3 future CPU Edition will require shit that doesnt exist yet. Launching Oct 12th.
@@NVMDSTEvil he doesnt want other youtubers to steal his work. and then claim it as their own.
@@Hammercannon setting sub-timings? lol.
great video!
When the availability is there in two years or beyond, most likely both the DDR4 AND DDR5 crowd will be wanting the most up to date motherboards and CPUs to run it. In that case, it makes more sense to have tuned DDR4 platforms until this happens.
Unless you're building a brand new system entirely. (Greater than 1000 dollar budget). At which point getting a 7000 series amd cpu with ddr5 isn't for the ram it's for the cpu performance. You just have no choice in the ram
Nice find! So there is a future where technically DDR5 is on the same level as DDR4. It will just take some years.
Its gonna be better EVENTUALLY when games are designed to take advantage of DDR5's larger bandwidth. But yeah, now not so much.
wow awesome video
Again loving it
Make every main components (cpu.gpu,power,mobo,ssd and cooling, technology improvement) details video, don't need to any physical components but research and pin point information needed sir
I appreciate your work, thank you very much, I know this comparison but again random suggest by algorithm that's why.
Great experience keep it up 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Looks like I will be keeping my 9900K for a while
9900k / 2080ti here as well.
@@Ab-ru1ew I have a 9900K and a 3090. how do you mean it "choked" ? are you playing at 1080p?
@@Ab-ru1ew tune your ram dude.
good one dude
So….at what speed does DDR5 “max out the platform”?
It goes over 9000
Thanks fellow Canuck.. :)
My man.
The only recommendations I take from over clockers is about AIOs, cause they really test them thoroughly.
Just finished the video. I'm actually super happy with those results. That means I spent the money I needed to on ram 2 years ago and I can just go get a new GPU and cpu whenever im ready. Don't even need a motherboard. Too bad all that money I save from ram will be going to a 1600w PSU though LMAO.
@@skorpers why? The only downside to 4090 so far is the 12 pin possibly not being so great other than that might be pretty good. I play alot of single player storyline type games. Seems like it could be great for that. But I guess neither of us should be making assumptions about what people should and shouldn't buy without the product being released yet and having one yourself to be telling someone else if it's good or not. Also I'm going to buy the cheapest best for my needs least likely to be shit 1600w psu.
@@skorpers If your spending that much money on a gpu you should usually not too concerned with the resell on it to begin with honestly. You should never expect to get anywhere close to what you paid for any high end tech product even one year down the line. I didn't say I was getting a bad PSU just not a overpriced one. EVGA has platinum ones for 200 because they don't have the new gen connector.
Zen 2 for Gaming .. Puff xD
7800 kits are here now, for $390. Does that mean that maybe 8000+ DDR5 kits in 2 years? And will the DDR5 motherboard I buy today be able to run it? This assumes that the Intel CPU I buy today will be able to run that RAM. I think that last one was answered for the most part in the video. Goal is the best balance between COD type games and raytracing. 4090 1440p 240.
I was going to ask how you got your hands on them, but since you said not to...I'm going to assume it has something to do with a missing kidney. 🤔
Join the discord, follow the rules, ask the question, and Jufes will tell you how to get them.
goat shit right here
I really think that at this point the only reason they're pushing DDR5 so hard is that they don't want to have to point out that a Raptor Lake setup will cost half the price of a Zen4 setup.
could have afforded a heat spreader. jeez
Do you happen to own R6 Siege Jufes? It has a built in benchmark and it leverages the CPU and memory quite a bit, would be really interesting to see DDR4 vs DDR5 both maxed out.
Subbed! I almost fell victim to the DDR5 hype. We know it doesn't affect much in gaming now, but I'm curious if it has any effect on productivity apps like Premiere, etc.
Yes it does cause productivity apps love bandwidth. Anything you do with that iGPU will benefit from DDR5. But CPU performance wise its a toss up, depends whether the application prefers lower latency or higher bandwidth.
I purely bought ddr5 for my 12600k as it was going into my mini itx pc and there are no decent ddr4 itx motherboards for 12th gen. Tried the Aorus ultra and it was trash, couldn't even run the 6400 xmp. Went with the z690i unify and it's a brillant board so looking forward to see how far I can push ddr5 2 gen modules.
60 and 45? Memory latency? And...? I'm a supporter. ;)
At least I’ll get the same results as fine tune B Die DDR4 with little effort for games and all the bonus of faster speed and additional 16 GB for the rest
Jufes's arm is bigger than my leg!
If you guys want Hynix A die go for
G.SKILL Trident Z5 Series 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR5 6400 Desktop Memory Model F5-6400J3239G16GX2-TZ5K
Just got mine and it’s Hynix A die for 175$ good price I guess
I'm still on B-die...
Since warzone does not have an in game benchmark. Which game benchmark would be best to use in order to see if our own OCs improve performance on warzone. Tomb raider, cyberpunk?
The game you play. Warzone is a good benchmark though.
Appreciate the video. Gonna sell the 12900K soon and get a 13900K and still use 4133 CL14 (maybe even higher if the IMC loves me)
@@jvidia ugh don't remember, it's 4000 CL 16 or something like that (Gskill) B die dual rank. I can do 4300 with another kit (SR) but voltages are too high so fuck that, I'm only interested in daily settings. I can probably increase it a bit more if I had a better dual rank kit but I'm still on the default bios so cba messing with it, only did it at launch. Will try again with the 13900K, it's all RNG. I try to do the least amount of effort possible, not a fan of dealing with this for more than a week and even that's pushing it. I do it once at launch and I'm done until the next chip comes out.
Do you think that high resolutions would show better scaling? But otherwise great vid shows that ddr5 needs some more maturity and games just aren't scaling for the extra bandwidth and timings of ddr5 yet.
Of course it will. That's why benchmarks like this are completely worthless. He's cherry picking data to fit a narrative. Who even cares about average frame rate, it's a useless statistics. But sure, just call me a DDR5 copium or whatever. Memory bandwidth will be a huge bottleneck moving forward, especially when you want high frame rate and resolution.
Nice vid, ddr 4 is faster than ddr5, but ddr5 has more bandwidth so it kind of evens off in most cases... nice work as i have not seen anyone pointing this fact, issue is amd is only compatible with ddr5... and you do get " faster storage" with ddr5 as you have pcix5, empasis on "faster" as nvme is a crap show on speed, they only benchmark continuous file transfer in RAM, so it's just a paper number, for comparison a 16g(280MB/s write speed) optane is faster than 3000MB/s nvme in 4k write which is normal workload for a system
OK which is it? Don't take advice from people who can do technical work on their pc's, or not from people who show you how it works out of the box. The point is if you have the know-how to "tune" the settings you're the same as the pro over clockers to joe average. Getting into the bios to set XMP to on is about the limit of knowledge for most gamers, and they're typically ahead of the guy who occasionally games and just wants a good experience with good graphics. I'm smart and educated enough to tweak until I find an optimal OC for stuff on non-xoc cooling gear, but I rarely bother past the easy stuff in the bios because I'm not really interested. Most people want to know the out of box experience with minimal tweaking. And that's what most good tech tubers show. Or they show the part vs others with strong controls to isolate the effects of that one part.
correct me guys but he said before higher frequency >> WITH
I am planning on going 13th gen Intel. Could I get a recommendation on a good type? I’m going to run the Asus z790 Proart as I’m getting into more creative based things… but will game as well a bit. I was going to get the 6600mhz kit from Corsair the dominator or vengeance 32 cas. The kit only comes in 4 dimms though I saw. I don’t know if that’s going to bite me in the arse.
Thank you to anywho for their time
excellent pair for ryzen 7700X and radeon RX 7700XT
8:39, can you provide the full graphics setup in SOTR at 1080p. DLSS, SHADOWS ETC ETC. Just to test and compare. Thank you!
what about no gaming tests ?? like music production or video production it does apply the same ??
Hardware Unboxed disliked this video 🤣 Great vid Jufes
I would love to see rainbow 6 siege results given u are the only one who care about esports who cares about that last drop of fps
I just got gskill ddr5 7200 cl32 from microcenter and they had 7600 cl34 on the shelf as well. My hero z790 claims it will do 7800mt/s. What is this 2 year thing you speak of. Am I not understanding something?
You guys should I upgrade my ram to some vipers?
Hi i came from your EK-RAM Monarch Module test video. Would be possible to test those sticks with the EK-RAM Monarch Module to the maximum OC so i can see the temps ? Thanks
Team Group released 7200MHz C34. Gg
Raptor+d4.. next best thing
Jufes: 7600 - 7800 kits are coming in 2-3 years
2 months later: DDR5-7600 available on newegg and amazon... 7800 and 8000 ddr5 kits announced.
LMAO
Yep, pretty awsome
Hmm im a bit surprised. I expected better than 47 ns. Didnt you get the same latency in that 6800 kit in that SR vs DR? So even when you add 800 more you still get the same latency. And in igor's lab's testing of ddr5 they also got the same latency but at a 7200. Intresting. Could it be 47-46ns is the limit of ddr5? Cant you go lower than that? Isnt samsung working on a new die? Also isnt ddr6 close too? Damn too many questions and not enough answers. But thanks for the video. Hopefully more of them soon ❤🐐
No suicide voltages
Also would love to see this vs the 5800x3d. Does more bandwith help against cache. You're the only tech tuber who does these kinds of niche vids. So thanks for that. I'd like 5800x3d vs ddr5 6400/6600 vs this ddr5 7600.
So a how much do you gain or lose from going from the typical consumer ddr5 speed on the market right now against this high end A die. While comparing them both against more cache. How much that 1000 helps against cache if any?
And thanks for the content ❤🙏
I have 47.5ns with 6200 MT 32 33 32 32 2N 1.435v. It's about timings as well and hynix a die isn't good enough. It's like hynix c die of ddr4.
@@jakehutchens your AIDA benchmark result is completely broken. 200Mhz is 2x of 100Mhz therefore you'r bandwidth results are 2x of reality and you'r latency results are 0,5x of reality.
True result is following 95000Mb/s Mwmory Read, 90000Mb/s Memory Write, 92500Mb/s Memory Copy and 60ns Memory Latency.
DDR5 Gear 4 12000MTs come at me bro fight me
Companies need to add these in ram specification. Like how can i tell
So what is DDR5 good for? Video Encoding, etc?? what industry or workload would you recommend DDR5 for?
My personal guess would be that seismic processing would probably like ddr5. If you're loading a large dataset (like a seismic dataset) on to ram to do something with it (like a denoise or a migration), then that bandwidth would have to help. The filesizes are in the hundreds to thousands of gigabytes.
It's the Hedt/workstation "content creators" replacement. ddr5 is for higher density(64gb-128gb sticks)/ better power delivery .Gen 5 pcie is high bandwidth workloads.
If you play benchmarks 24/7 instead of games or working.
Do you know of any trustworthy youtubers that benchmark DDR5 in productivity tasks? I'm curious to see if DDR5 is worth using over DDR4 for production tasks..
I'm afraid there won't be that many good motherboards for raptor like when it comes to DDR4 support. They will most certainly focus good 70-85% to DDR5. Which is a shame.
I am seriously considering getting DDR4 4000/cl4 or 4100/cl15 kit paired with 13900K, I only hope there will be a good MOBO.
What are your thoughts on this?
Your better off just getting DDR5 and get a budget kit of memory. Especially if your going all new - CPU & MOBO. The low end sticks still work great. Go watch Hardware Unboxed. He did a great video explaining when and why to switch to DDR5.
You can always pick up a strix D4 or an Edge D4
@@FrameChasers Ye, I'll do this. Thank you.
@@shiftctrlhack yikes
@@shiftctrlhack is that sarcasm 😅
hey guys, which DDR4 RAM memory for ryzen 5800x3d is the best for gaming? tytyty
Are all ddr5 vs dd4 basically the same for games then?
so,whats the best ddr4 4000mhz kit to buy right now?
The hoo-due strikes again. 😂
Did AIDA64 solve the BLCK readouts (it used to scale with the BCLK)?
Hell, it can make DDR4 4000 have more than 90-100GB/s of transfer on AIDA64 if you use a BLCK of 150 (but with low multipliers)...
Intel Memory Latency Checker would show that it is not the case.
However, in this case, 1.3% should not have much impact.
It’s still scales. A got 60MB/s and 50ns with 12490f@4.8 GHz, 4.0 ring, 120 bclk, 3480MT/s 15-18-18-36 on asrock b660m pg riptide. It’s impossible to get that result with my ram speed.
IMC shows reasonable bandwidth around 45-47 but same latency of 50ns
When Zen4 comes out, please test it against 5800x3d, both fully tuned. I bet Zen4 will lose in 1% lows lolz...
5800X3D , DDR4 CL14, AND 6950XT WATERCOOLED IS MORE THEN ENOUGH. GIVE ME 3NM CPU AND 8000MHZ DDR5 AND ILL UPGRADE
DDR5 is good for content creation, 3D rendering and movie editing?
Yup
I have two legit questions. Is DDR5 better than DDR4 for any use case besides gaming?
If DDR4 performs so well why did the industry switch to DDR5?
The industry does not revolve around gaming, even gaming graphics cards don’t revolve around us anymore
@@FrameChasers read enough UA-cam comments and you'll come away thinking that gamers were literally keeping these companies afloat when they buy a single graphics card/CPU every 3 years 🤣
I really Wana see the performance of the ryzen ddr5 apus
I have 2 issues with your setup test :
- Quad Channel but we don't know if it's 4*8 or 2*16, which may influence the performance considering CPUs IMC on 4 sticks.
- we don't know any Latency you used either for the DDR4 or the DDR5 testings, which also can have a noticeable difference.
Therefore, you data can be interpreted in so many ways because it's incomplete.
I appreciate the effort, but be before bashing anyone (and I'm a casual gamer with very basic knowledge, not an overclocker or what so ever), make sure your data provided is unbiased :)
You didn’t watch the whole video, also your first comment about quad channel shows you have some catching up to do
I can already tell you it's 2x16 because there's no way you're getting DDR5 to 7700 stable on a current 4 slot motherboard.
@@FrameChasers I did watch it all.
Even if I'm wrong, Still doesn't answer.
@@DraughanTV
Quad channel DDR5 is optimized for non "casual gamer" workloads period. Game engines super dont care about that kind of bandwidth. What more data do you need to know without researching it yourself?
@@DraughanTV join the discord, follow the rules, set your goals, and enjoy one the last honest PC gurus.
First But HOOFUS I was told to buy 4800 DDR5
Yeah faster than all ddr4 , bdie be damned lol
HP V10 RGB 16GB (8GBx2) Gaming RAM 3200 MHz DDR4 CL14 ????
what the fastest ddr4? F4-4000C14D-32GVK?
4000c14 is the best bdie bin you can get. 3200c14 is decent tho.
@@Ben-ld1qi i think one of the best preformance is 3600cl14, 4000cl14 - you cant buy it
@@weczisTVoh I completely agree the 3600c14 is probably some of the best performance for value bin. There are also 3800c14,4000c16/c17, 4266c16/c17, 4400c17 etc etc... They all perform very similar. It also depends on luck of the draw. My 4000 16-16-16-36 will start to give errors at 1.58~1.6v even on 35c temps whereas my brother's 4000 17-18-18-38 can do even 1.65v with temps in the 40+c.
The 4000c14 is possibly a notch above all the other bins, but also extremely expensive and not available anywhere in 2x16gb kits. Anyhow it used to cost 500~$600 when available. Last I checked about a year ago it was still available in its single rank kits 2x8gb tho.
I remember before ddr5 came out I saw on extreme oc forums greedy people buying like 3 kits of the 4000c14 and then keeping the best one of the 3 and returning the rest. Sheesh...
@@Ben-ld1qi 3800cl14 is only for AMD - I dont knew how it works with intel
Now I have 4000CL16 G.Skill and they are not good as 3600cl14
@@weczisTV I tune my RAM, including primaries and all of ghe subtimings manually, therefore there's no such thing for an "AMD Only" kit, the 3800c14 is in theory at least a slightly better bin.
If you're a normie that sets XMP and moves on with his life because you actually want to do shit on your PC instead of spending a few days tuning and stability testing then 3600c14 is the best set it and forget it for AMD. 3800c14 might be a little problematic if you're running in 1:1:1 mode since not all can do 1900 FCLK stable.
For Intel it's a different beast with Alderlake CPUs, as you are mostly limited by the memory controller on the CPU. For example, most 12th gen K CPUs cap out at 3800~4133. Not many can even do over 4000. For example my 4000 CL16 1.4v doesn't work on my 12700K, since the memory controller can only do 3900, so I had to manually tune it to 3900 14-15-14-28 at 1.56v DRAM voltage.
By the way what do you mean your 4000c16 isn't as good as 3600c14? what platform are you running it on? are you manually tuning and overclocking it or just setting it on xmp? my 4000c16 kit can also do 3600 14-14-14-28 at 1.43v very easily....
Can you turn on the timestamp thingy please?
Do these overclock better on 4 dimm motherboards compared with M die or is 6400 the cap still?
ty man
36ns and 59/58/58.5GB/s OR 42ns and 62/61/63GB/s
this is for skylake (9th gen 8 core), single rank. b-die is an aids bin 3600c17. can do 3700 c15 cr1 or 4000 c15 cr2, motherboard is a z370 apex, it has no tXP so sub 40ns is harder than it looks
@@jakehutchens fsb fuck that takes ya back. rodgi ill fire up the p4 extreme edition