i've been grinding the summer event with the 152c and i usually try to use head-ons and surprise attacks to get my kills. Works very well when you dont have useful team mates.
Ok I tried this strategy,and it is working for me, I've had some good battles in it this past weekend. I just need to perfect it some more, thx again. Great video. My 2nd post on this.
What a timing had the C3 unlocked days ago. Its a brick but funny thing is i have good results in it. Honestly on long runs a FW190D will catch u in climb some point. SO if allied teams would side climb, ta is in trouble. But we now that allied teams doesnt do this often. GREAT VIDEO, I love your tactic-videos and learnt a lot of them. BTW Do 335 is a Bomber-Hunter but works so well because of the nice Air spawn against fighters. It cant turn but has great speed and 3x MK103s (at least the Premium one).
Great vid fury, I am doing the same thing since the patch came out just a bit more agressively. There have been a number of times that i catch dudes climbing and they dont even expect me to be there... so they get a 30mm in the fuselage and explode xD. Anyways if you climb at 300km going straight from your spawn and do a shallow dive to gain speed then you can engage in a head on 3-4 planes most of the times. Pilots will try to avoid you but the 30mm has a different opinion most of the times. If they commit in the head on, well thats even better for you xD.
i also played htis plane a lot, you might not believe me but ive never got killed by a p51H, and even better, its the plane ive killed the most. sometimes i even ignore bombers when tehy go sideclimbing to kill spacefires and p51Hs and even some tempests that climb high. its a relaly dirty plane
Uhh Im too greedy and inpatient for bnz... Weird but bnz fighters are still my favorite. Im mastering the J7W which is turn into a monster on my hands. 3+ kills for every battle is my motto and 4-5 kill is the usual :) I think my aim is neutralizing my impatience.
Performance wise, absolutely not a high alt plane.. total redesign from H1 (which is a true high alt interceptor) to something capable to counter soviets at low and medium alt.. I tend to use it in GF RB because of it's MK103.. this one or the D9 for the good bomb load
Did your aim also suffer after playing this plane too much. When i play this plane to much i cant aim with any other because of the 103s, i under compensate XD
I heard that British and russian cannons aren't doing so great because they don't have as much explosive mass in each projectile as you have in a german Minengeschoß, for example. I've tried murican 20 mils and they seem to be doing alright. The real pain are really those brit and rusky 20s.
Actually German's 20mm and 30mm make normal planes explode :p but sometimes you can get only sparks. And I can't relate others cause I play german only.
air for sure on both accounts, i try to make sure i use cannons more, the machine guns are weak, plus you have to be at a slow combat speed to use them effectively
I never rly enjoyed bnz tactics, seems kidna boring to me, is effective, but too slow and u eventually end up with 1-2 kills in the best scenario. I luv ur videos thoguh, u basically learned me how to energy fight.
Like many ppl say, the unskilled players fly spitfires and turnfighters in general, in my point of view, is the bnz tactic which require 0 skill to use (nothing against u, i like your skills, game sense etc.), just outclimb/outrun your enemy and than strike, those are the real K/D hunteers in war thunder.
ohh yeah, at medium to high alt, if you use energy retention based fighting tactics you can rip through spitfires, not as flexible as the H version, but its nice, I used to watch your videos ages ago mate :)
So, how do you do this with a stock plane ? (look at the grind : "yeah suuuuure, nothing wrong there") You need superior energy state and a good team. It's way too many conditions to call this a good strategy in WT's Air RB ^^
Ehh, I want to like the 152C-3 but it is just too brick like for my taste. I love its speed and dive characteristics but thats about it. The tactics in this video require that your team work together and the enemy make mistakes, many I face do not do either of those things however and the agility of the H1 has thus found itself far more useful. May take another stab at it though, your video footage makes it look attractive but stock it is worse than a Dora. :(
@@soyderiverdeliverybeaver8941 I use all the flaps settings, still does not change the fact that it maneuvers poorly. And its speed only gets it so far against many allied props. It is extraordinarily powerful, but hard to get used to its need for disciplined flying and team work.
i agree, it also cant flapturn for too long, its just a boom'n'zoomer with nice control and not enough climb although its good). if you cant make a difference at the start, it really becomes a challenge to fight against 6.3 props indeed. but its not discipline you need, you just have to head-on or shallow dive on climbing planes to pull 3 times your wight, this plane is a lot easier to fly than it looks like. and yeah i understand what you mean by diving, its a sturdy plane. there's this one time an f8f ripped trying to get away. he was diving at a much better rate, but his wings couldn't take it
Hard to make a difference at the start when a big portion of the enemy is above you. Grouping up with others helps and I have tried doing what you have said, but more often than not; the enemy simply picks the weak straggler (me). Based on what I have seen, Green's way of fighting is certainly easier to manage than Adam514's mix of BNZ and knife fighting. The defensive rolling is the hardest part of 190 flying for me to master still. Will give it another go though and with this advice in mind.
hahaha no, maybe you didn't spade it or something, the C-3 easily outclimbs enemy fighters you just have to find that sweetspot on different maps, between going forward and climbing. that is why i prefer the c-3 to the H1, the H1 barely gets to their altitude sadly, and while it maneuvers a whole lot better, that difference at the start just makes it so much harder.
this is bullshit , p47s got nerfed and removed airspawn , and Germans got that sweet cannon buff as well as air spawn for a lot of good fighters . i keep getting uptiered with my p47 d28 and i always get slaughtered by this beast , can't outdive it , can't out climb it , can't turn fight it , can't energy trap it , can't even run away from it , last time i fought one of this he took of half my wing 1.5km away ???? without mentioning the retarded allied teams i can't take it anymore , i'm switching to axis again , stupid game meta .
Get some friends. Understanding that dying is part of the game helps too. You got your 50cals. Maybe there isn't enough players at the lower p47 level. Maybe take out a d30 or p47 n15. Those planes are crazy good. And having a wing man can get you some good engagements. It's like a casino you got to beat the casino but the odds are in the casinos favor. Don't hate the game hate the player
Dominic Viner i'm in a squadron , i usually play with 3 to 4 guys and we carry the teams most of the time but the game meta right now is not in favor of allied teams , and when i'm alone trying' to have fun or grind some skins , the team just get wrecked and i'm left alone with the entire Luftwaffe on my 6 chasing me to 9km where they are usually bricks but then this baby right here the TA C3 & H1 fuck me up at that alt lel , you're right though about the casino metaphor , fits well in this situation .
dogeness you're missing the point here , non of it matter when they start with an energy advantage , and the p47D-28 only shines above 6km where engagements rarely happen or by the time you reach 6km your team is dead .
just started playing Germany 4.7 & 5.7 again , i'm just seal clubbing ; had a 5 kill game right now , usually the only thing that gives us trouble is a side climbing p47n or a p51 d30 that went under the radar and climbed to space , then we go ground pounding and win by tickets .
A good Griffon Spitfire could've killed all of you guys by himself. Same thing for a P-51 H Mustang. Of course this implies that there are regularly good Allied Fighter Pilots...which we all know isn't the case. Now that their Superior Air Spawn HandiCap has been removed and they can't all climb to 8K meters at the start and never learned how to actually fight in their aircraft all you hear is 'Oh Allied Planes and Teams are so bad now. The Germans are too strong and need to be nerfed back to what they were.' I swear you need to go up against Allied Teams now with fresh cheese in hand and the Wambulance on speed dial.
you are missing the point, and you underestimate the ta152s, the 152s are clearly worse than those planes you mentioned, but the video shows it boomnzooming. do you not see him taking turns to make them go vertical while the 335 kills the baited fighter? not only that, the ta152 C3 allways has the height advantage becuase of the airspawn, it has just enough climb to be above p51Hs and griffons. what does this mean? basically it can headon them and/or loop on them (btw this plane cannot lose headons, only the p47 can compare to it). you can push them back down if they survive. you can also burn energy using landing flaps at pretty much any speed to turn with planes that are slower than you. so no, not even a good griffon pilot would have any chance to just ''kill them all by himself''
You mean...that for once in their Allied Fighter Pilot Lives...they might have to...s-s-s-side climb? Like what the Germans had to do for the last several years? Allied Plane Pilots have the Air Spawn/Great Climb Rate or in some cases both and they don't bat an eye. The Germans get some planes with an Air Spawn...AND THEY ALL LOSE THEIR MINDS!!!!
It looks like a wolf pack hunting sheeps. Put them together and feed on the weakest. Again and again
i've been grinding the summer event with the 152c and i usually try to use head-ons and surprise attacks to get my kills. Works very well when you dont have useful team mates.
you are in for a treat as my next video im working on, is how you can fight enemies 1v1
Nice vid man! Really helps me a lot!
I also love it when people help out with fighters and don't chase bombers to the edge of the map.
Ok I tried this strategy,and it is working for me, I've had some good battles in it this past weekend. I just need to perfect it some more, thx again. Great video. My 2nd post on this.
What a timing had the C3 unlocked days ago. Its a brick but funny thing is i have good results in it. Honestly on long runs a FW190D will catch u in climb some point. SO if allied teams would side climb, ta is in trouble. But we now that allied teams doesnt do this often. GREAT VIDEO, I love your tactic-videos and learnt a lot of them.
BTW Do 335 is a Bomber-Hunter but works so well because of the nice Air spawn against fighters. It cant turn but has great speed and 3x MK103s (at least the Premium one).
Great vid fury, I am doing the same thing since the patch came out just a bit more agressively. There have been a number of times that i catch dudes climbing and they dont even expect me to be there... so they get a 30mm in the fuselage and explode xD. Anyways if you climb at 300km going straight from your spawn and do a shallow dive to gain speed then you can engage in a head on 3-4 planes most of the times. Pilots will try to avoid you but the 30mm has a different opinion most of the times. If they commit in the head on, well thats even better for you xD.
Great vid mate.
You should show how we can counter this tactic.
Something that I found to work for me was to SIDE climb to about 7km to 8km with my Spifire FR Mk 14e
i also played htis plane a lot, you might not believe me but ive never got killed by a p51H, and even better, its the plane ive killed the most. sometimes i even ignore bombers when tehy go sideclimbing to kill spacefires and p51Hs and even some tempests that climb high. its a relaly dirty plane
Teammates? the 4 ju288 and 1 do335 groundpounding?
very nice good one
damn i saw you in a few matches the other day, seal clubbing in your Ta. haha found your channel now :D
that's if you have a team, considering the bomber spam
Uhh Im too greedy and inpatient for bnz...
Weird but bnz fighters are still my favorite. Im mastering the J7W which is turn into a monster on my hands. 3+ kills for every battle is my motto and 4-5 kill is the usual :) I think my aim is neutralizing my impatience.
Performance wise, absolutely not a high alt plane.. total redesign from H1 (which is a true high alt interceptor) to something capable to counter soviets at low and medium alt..
I tend to use it in GF RB because of it's MK103.. this one or the D9 for the good bomb load
It is high altitude plane
Did your aim also suffer after playing this plane too much. When i play this plane to much i cant aim with any other because of the 103s, i under compensate XD
super
Hey green? Can you please do some jets? Like the f84 maybe?
I love your work
I would love to do that, id need more experience in jet battles though 1st before i make any video ;P
Ahahaha thanks man love your videos
I have to admit, the german cannons are quite op now
i still get sparks from 20mm, especially on Yak's and La's :D
I heard that British and russian cannons aren't doing so great because they don't have as much explosive mass in each projectile as you have in a german Minengeschoß, for example. I've tried murican 20 mils and they seem to be doing alright. The real pain are really those brit and rusky 20s.
Actually German's 20mm and 30mm make normal planes explode :p but sometimes you can get only sparks. And I can't relate others cause I play german only.
what is in your opinion best belt for German machine guns and cannons
air for sure on both accounts, i try to make sure i use cannons more, the machine guns are weak, plus you have to be at a slow combat speed to use them effectively
I would love a video about the do 335
I never rly enjoyed bnz tactics, seems kidna boring to me, is effective, but too slow and u eventually end up with 1-2 kills in the best scenario. I luv ur videos thoguh, u basically learned me how to energy fight.
Like many ppl say, the unskilled players fly spitfires and turnfighters in general, in my point of view, is the bnz tactic which require 0 skill to use (nothing against u, i like your skills, game sense etc.), just outclimb/outrun your enemy and than strike, those are the real K/D hunteers in war thunder.
Which nation you recommend for beginners?
I would say Germans or Japanese, Japanese late fighters are rather flexible as in some fighters can be used as turn and boom and zoom fighters
Thanks alot guys i think im going for germans.
can u make he162 video
I agree
Has the air spawn been lowered?
Green Fury what to do if i missed a mark?
I love your vid bro pls do jet tutorial I need it
I have a question, do allied teams still do poorly at high teir?
justapigeon 78% Winrate in Japanese 9.0, 68/70% in the german 9.0s.
Yes, they suck
has the Ta C been updated? i havent used it since it came out and was a total brick cooled by lava
ohh yeah, at medium to high alt, if you use energy retention based fighting tactics you can rip through spitfires, not as flexible as the H version, but its nice, I used to watch your videos ages ago mate :)
haha my videos suck
the only useful strategy is outnumber....spot the enemy？force them low？b&z？does anyone can't understand that？
So, how do you do this with a stock plane ? (look at the grind : "yeah suuuuure, nothing wrong there")
You need superior energy state and a good team. It's way too many conditions to call this a good strategy in WT's Air RB ^^
Step 0: spade the plane
Step 1: do steps 1 to 3
Ehh, I want to like the 152C-3 but it is just too brick like for my taste. I love its speed and dive characteristics but thats about it. The tactics in this video require that your team work together and the enemy make mistakes, many I face do not do either of those things however and the agility of the H1 has thus found itself far more useful.
May take another stab at it though, your video footage makes it look attractive but stock it is worse than a Dora. :(
try landing flaps
@@soyderiverdeliverybeaver8941 I use all the flaps settings, still does not change the fact that it maneuvers poorly. And its speed only gets it so far against many allied props.
It is extraordinarily powerful, but hard to get used to its need for disciplined flying and team work.
i agree, it also cant flapturn for too long, its just a boom'n'zoomer with nice control and not enough climb although its good).
if you cant make a difference at the start, it really becomes a challenge to fight against 6.3 props indeed.
but its not discipline you need, you just have to head-on or shallow dive on climbing planes to pull 3 times your wight, this plane is a lot easier to fly than it looks like.
and yeah i understand what you mean by diving, its a sturdy plane. there's this one time an f8f ripped trying to get away. he was diving at a much better rate, but his wings couldn't take it
Hard to make a difference at the start when a big portion of the enemy is above you. Grouping up with others helps and I have tried doing what you have said, but more often than not; the enemy simply picks the weak straggler (me).
Based on what I have seen, Green's way of fighting is certainly easier to manage than Adam514's mix of BNZ and knife fighting. The defensive rolling is the hardest part of 190 flying for me to master still.
Will give it another go though and with this advice in mind.
hahaha no, maybe you didn't spade it or something, the C-3 easily outclimbs enemy fighters you just have to find that sweetspot on different maps, between going forward and climbing.
that is why i prefer the c-3 to the H1, the H1 barely gets to their altitude sadly, and while it maneuvers a whole lot better, that difference at the start just makes it so much harder.
can you give us some tank RB footage/moments pls ?
i already know what you will say
Man I played the k4 and I had a constant uptier to 6.3
lol i get down tiers a lot, thats weird,
@@GreenFuryGaming lol wut
very interesting, but without Russian supertors, everything is not clear
this is bullshit , p47s got nerfed and removed airspawn , and Germans got that sweet cannon buff as well as air spawn for a lot of good fighters . i keep getting uptiered with my p47 d28 and i always get slaughtered by this beast , can't outdive it , can't out climb it , can't turn fight it , can't energy trap it , can't even run away from it , last time i fought one of this he took of half my wing 1.5km away ???? without mentioning the retarded allied teams i can't take it anymore , i'm switching to axis again , stupid game meta .
welcome do the fun side :D
Get some friends. Understanding that dying is part of the game helps too. You got your 50cals. Maybe there isn't enough players at the lower p47 level. Maybe take out a d30 or p47 n15. Those planes are crazy good. And having a wing man can get you some good engagements. It's like a casino you got to beat the casino but the odds are in the casinos favor. Don't hate the game hate the player
Dominic Viner i'm in a squadron , i usually play with 3 to 4 guys and we carry the teams most of the time but the game meta right now is not in favor of allied teams , and when i'm alone trying' to have fun or grind some skins , the team just get wrecked and i'm left alone with the entire Luftwaffe on my 6 chasing me to 9km where they are usually bricks but then this baby right here the TA C3 & H1 fuck me up at that alt lel , you're right though about the casino metaphor , fits well in this situation .
dogeness you're missing the point here , non of it matter when they start with an energy advantage , and the p47D-28 only shines above 6km where engagements rarely happen or by the time you reach 6km your team is dead .
just started playing Germany 4.7 & 5.7 again , i'm just seal clubbing ; had a 5 kill game right now , usually the only thing that gives us trouble is a side climbing p47n or a p51 d30 that went under the radar and climbed to space , then we go ground pounding and win by tickets .
Is that a false accent? Sounds like an aussie trying to jive talk
whats jive talk? I lived in different parts of the world when i was growing up, i took the accents with me from Europe, US, and Australia
@@GreenFuryGaming ua-cam.com/video/RrZlWw8Di10/v-deo.html
this is such a scummy tactic...
A good Griffon Spitfire could've killed all of you guys by himself.
Same thing for a P-51 H Mustang.
Of course this implies that there are regularly good Allied Fighter Pilots...which we all know isn't the case.
Now that their Superior Air Spawn HandiCap has been removed and they can't all climb to 8K meters at the start and never learned how to actually fight in their aircraft all you hear is 'Oh Allied Planes and Teams are so bad now. The Germans are too strong and need to be nerfed back to what they were.'
I swear you need to go up against Allied Teams now with fresh cheese in hand and the Wambulance on speed dial.
you are missing the point, and you underestimate the ta152s, the 152s are clearly worse than those planes you mentioned, but the video shows it boomnzooming. do you not see him taking turns to make them go vertical while the 335 kills the baited fighter?
not only that, the ta152 C3 allways has the height advantage becuase of the airspawn, it has just enough climb to be above p51Hs and griffons. what does this mean? basically it can headon them and/or loop on them (btw this plane cannot lose headons, only the p47 can compare to it). you can push them back down if they survive.
you can also burn energy using landing flaps at pretty much any speed to turn with planes that are slower than you.
so no, not even a good griffon pilot would have any chance to just ''kill them all by himself''
You mean...that for once in their Allied Fighter Pilot Lives...they might have to...s-s-s-side climb?
Like what the Germans had to do for the last several years?
Allied Plane Pilots have the Air Spawn/Great Climb Rate or in some cases both and they don't bat an eye.
The Germans get some planes with an Air Spawn...AND THEY ALL LOSE THEIR MINDS!!!!