2024 CBR500R - No One Should Buy This Motorcycle
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Looooved my Cbr500r as a beginner bike… served me very well
Its nice having a 500cc as first bike, grateful in 250cc here 😅
It's only good if you've never compared it to anything else.
3 minute discussion on winglets is crazy
As a commuter, I love the the cbr500r fuel capacity. 4.5 gallons gets me an extra day or 2 of commuting before needing to stop
I bought a 500f as a beginner bike for my wife and I have to conclude... that I made a mistake. Too big and heavy. I don't know why I didn't consider a Ninja 400
The ninja 500 is an amazing pick at an amazing price.
Taught my wife how to ride on a 2013 CBR 250R.
I thought the ninja was too cramped for me sitting on it so i got the cbr500r and enjoyed it
thats exactly what i need, iam 189 cm and 95 kg, i need a big beginner sports bike
I quite enjoy the 500f
Ppl don't take into account restrictions for motorcycle license A2 47BHP. As you can see they (honda) cant push more bhp coz they are targeting specific ppl who are gonna ride it. With full license you can just pick fireblade . . .
Even beginners in the USA don't start on fire blades 🤣 they're too expensive, we start on 600cc, r6's usually
Yeah. I can't understand why HeroRR is so fixiated on horsepower and hp per capacity while also acknowledging later on in the vid that this is not supersport and barely a sport bike. His narrative is similar to what car industry is suffering from, MORE is always better...
Meanwhile the minitwins racing class forges ahead with bikes from other brands. How are the young burgeoning motorcycle enthusiasts going to go to the Honda brand when Honda offers NOTHING for young people to aspire to?
CF Moto has burly sounding 450 engines and offer a ton of features for not a lot of money. Reliability is still a question for time.
Kawasaki basically defines the entire racing paddock.
Even Yamaha R3 has a boat load of racing parts in the aftermarket with a smaller 321cc engine and dealership allocations are high for these.
Aprilia releases the RS457. Blows the doors off the Honda.
Honda is phoning this thing in.
@@exothermal.sprocket So far seems Honda is very much set on ADV class
@@Stratos1988 A lot of brands are. They are great bikes for the activities they do well with. Honda just seems to offer nothing that's leading any other class.
It makes more sense as a 'commuter bike' than a 'beginner bike.' It's heavy for a 400/500 because it is physically larger than the rest. This gives it more relaxed ergos. The ease of maintenance and long service intervals were big considerations for me. (I log a lot of miles.) Amazing mpg and a 4.5g tank is nice. Usually 200 miles till reserve light. I'm not a beginner and I own a 600 as my fun bike, but I love my top case equipped 500 as a daily runabout. Did buy used though. Bit harsh fresh off the dealer floor.
Considering it as a commuter bike and not a bike you're going to "upgrade" from later on kinda makes a number of points irrelevant. Go tell a random Civic owner that having premium features on their car would be stupid because they'll just upgrade later on. We'll see how you like the responses. You can almost always tell the Americans in the comments because they're usually the ones who fail to realize that many people use these as an actual vehicle and not just a toy for the weekends.
The price difference is the really tragic factor though. You essentially get free gear just by buying the Ninja.
@@Dexx1s Civic is a great comparison. Just the right amount of car for most peoples daily needs. I heard this somewhere: 'The pessimist says the glass is half empty. The optimist says the glass is half full. The engineer says the glass is twice as big as needs to be.' Americans seem to rarely understand the last point. I say this as an American.
The CBR500R is a better road bike for commuting. Even expert riders can throw a leg over it and drive to work /shrug its no big deal.
That extra weight is down to using steel for frame and engine, which makes for an eternal bike that just never breaks down or gives up, which is perfect for a beginner that doesnt want to deal with maintenance.
I've had the first Gen cbr500r for 4 years and it's been great as my first street bike (after dirt bikes). Got it half price used from dealer and its the most economical "sport bike" with gas and insurance. It's like a UJM baby VFR not a baby fireblade bro. You know it's just a sport fairing kit on their 500 platform that's power restricted for A2 license markets. I'll take the weight for highway stability and full size tires to not look like little 250 bicycle wheels. You said it at end: all you're considering is performance and sticker price. Sure for the $ just get a ninja 650 or 600 but I ain't track racing on the streets and Honda quality is always more expensive out of big 4.
When I was shopping for my first bike. I was stuck between the Yamaha R3, the Ninja 400, and the CBR500R. The R3 felt small to me, the CBR500 was heavy, the N400 was right in the middle with enough power to commute down the highway comfortably. This was back in 2021. Since then I picked up a 2001 CBR600 F4i. Looking back at the CBR500R and comparing it to the CBR600 F4i...I was shocked that the 500R weighed as much as my F4i. To me personally....I don't see why the CBR500R was even made. At that point you might as well get a CBR650R which is the spiritual successor to the CBR600 F4i.
420 lbs is more stable on the freeway vs 370 which gets batted around.
Ahahahah
I love my N400 and it's apprx 364lbs (but) the CBR500r is the best looking bike in the class imo. Even witha decat and lighter muffler any remaining weight does makes it more planted on the highway (also a better sport-tourer). Those USD forks do make a difference and the integrated windscreen puts the Ninja's dust-pan screen to shame. I happen to enjoy the light/twitchy/nimble ride of the N400 but even without riding the CBR500r, I bet it's a smoother relaxed ride at 85-90mph on the highway. I want to test ride one but can't find a dealer-test-ride option.
Another great comparison video would be, is the N500 worth buying if you own a N400 and the answer is "no".
I bought a new Ninja 400 last year sold it with under 2000 miles. Nice good looking little bike with plenty of power, but always felt too small and very light at 70-75 mph. Bought a low mileage 2022 CBR 500r a couple of months ago and find the bike much more planted at higher speeds and has plenty of power for my type of riding. Plus it's a very nice looking bike with Honda quality fit and finish.
Strawman argument indeed
I like the look of the new 500R but the price is insane. Also, I didn't know it was that heavy...
In comparison, I've mastered steering into wind blasts riding a N400. As for price: agreed. my 400 was purchased for $4,400 w about 4k odo.
I still admit that CBR500r looks awesome/better. After riding a 2013 CB1000r naked for about 6 years, I can attest to Honda's exceptional build/fit/finish and ride quality. That said, I love the nimble/twitchy N400 more than the naked liter.
Actually ride one it's a Swiss army knife I've ridden mine on track touring and in the Twisties. Im in Australia and has been the best starter bike. I own a gsxr600 and a s1000rr both of which i ride on track and still go back to mt cbr and love it. The ninja is to small and tight for my 6'1 frame. So go give it a try
I picked up one of these (2023 model) about two months ago. I've got a full license but I don't think I'll be upgrading anytime soon. This has perfect amounts of power and very good ergonomics. Not to mention it's a Honda. It feels like a high quality machine and the weight does help a lot with stability while riding in inclement weather and alongside big utes and trucks on the road.
I've got 30 000km on mine not a single issue at all regular device starts and goes
If I'm not mistaken a plus for the cbr is that you don't have to remove the cams for a valve adjustment which is something I personally care about. Another thing for me is every local Kawi dealer absolutely bends us over for freight setup delivery and document fees where the local Honda dealers charge about 1/3 for all those fees which relieves some of the price differential. I like anything with 2 wheels and a gas motor and both these bikes are winners to me but my wifes 400 ninja seat absolutely sucks after 45 minutes where as my daughters cbr500r seat is much more comfortable.
You are correct on the cams and timing chain staying in place for the Cbr500r valve adjustment. Did mine about 6 months ago. Also the 16000 mile interval is much nicer than the 7000 mile valve check interval that the ninja 300 (and I assume 400) has.
Looking at local dealer differences is a great point.
@@kleinbottled79 - I do like that about the CBR. According to the Kawasaki Ninja 400 (EX400) Complete Maintenance Schedule, the valve clearance inspection interval is 24,000 km (15,000 miles). Not sure about the "500".
@@kleinbottled79 If you've ever ridden the CBR500 at constant 80-90mph highway speeds, did it seem stressed, buzzy or like you wanted one more higher gear?
@@salskars6637 I've owned and basically dailyed a cbr500r for a few years now. And yes, I geared it up +1 in the front and I think -3 in the rear. Now it cruises at 80 ok. From factory it's a bit too high rpm on freeway IMHO.
It's such an adequate bike, but it gets so many complaints. Maybe it's not for everyone, but it's a fine motorcycle.
I have the 2019 model as my first bike and I think it's superb. I also think it's made for a very specific niche: Someone looking for a "Beginner" VFR, and is built 6 feet tall.
Basically, I see it as a sport touring instead of a race bike. When I got it, I'm age 35, 6' tall, average build. I wanted a sporty looking bike before I'm getting too old for one, and I want one that's easy to ride, comfortable for long distance (200-300 miles a day), and ultra reliable. the bigger than average tank in the class is a bonus too, 300 miles in 1 tank if I go slow enough.
I love your videos on the premium Hondas but I think you missed the mark on the 500r.
Having owned the first gen CBR500R for a couple of years now, and tweaking the suspension, intake and exhaust and brakes, I understand where you are coming from but you miss the point of the bike. It's not trying to be a super-sport.
The 500r is incredibly comfortable, the weight makes it very stable at 120kmh + and the fuel economy is fantastic. It isn't a screaming bike, nor is it meant to be. It's the every-day bike for not only beginners, but mature riders that value quality, affordable fuel economy and reliability.
I want a screaming 600rr again in the garage, but I don't think I would ride it as much as the 500... the numbers alone don't do it justice.
He did miss the whole point....Love my CB500X, it's the smallest bike I own but usually the one I take for blasting around town. Just a great all around package.
Sorry Hero as I need to disagree with what you are saying and it’s for a reason why as Honda are playing this smart (the 400 4 cylinder doesn’t fit in the same ballpark). Have you at least sat on one? As it feels bigger and also better suited to taller new riders that are outside the USA, whether you live in Europe or Australia (just to name two), where learners are capped at a certain power or in the case of Australia a power to weight of 150kw per tonne with a max displacement of 660 cc. At 6’3” I’m just too tall to comfortably ride the others. Having 46 years of experience (with 10+ years only racing in Australia’s top series) I can see why Honda has kept putting work into this bike. My son had recently started riding on the streets after 10+ years on dirt bikes and this was the bike I chose for him and not the new one as it will go down whilst he continues to learn his craft. So, Hero, please factor in areas outside of your country as you do have subscribers outside who understand the reasons why.
I love my CBR 600rr but my next bike probably going to be a zx10r with cruise control. If I get lucky I would love to own a cbr 1000rr-r that bike is a work of art.
ZX10r looks better imo
I gotta say for a beginner, dual brakes is huge bc lots of people will wreck., especially new riders. Gotta scrub off that speed real quick
It’s crazy considering my 08 cbr 600rr with 31k miles weighs less than this 500 by a couple pounds and costs less and is a icon for the cbrs since 07-08s were the best in this generation my first bike was a 2014 500r I can honestly say I feel safer and more confident on my 600rr than the 500r I won’t ever sell
My 600rr
100%
500 is made for a2 compliance in europe and asia, where they are sought after bikes because no indian can afford a blade
More like "Air Tunnels" .....than Winglets...Love your reviews mate...keep em coming!!
Good video!
I'd happily pay the 1700 dollar premium for a CBR500R over de Ninja 500. I live in europe, so the premium is about 1300 euro's here. It does hurt that the CBR500R is only 50 bucks cheaper than the Hornet 750, but that's A2 tax. All A2 compliant motorcycles are inflated in price because a lot of insurance companies place heavy premiums on restricted higher cc bikes compared to "true A2" motorcycles, which keeps demand up and prices high for
The entire year I enjoyed riding my used '16 500r came with so many hours of wishing for a more exciting bike. Not faster or more powerful, it was just the Camry of the middleweight bikes. It is such a waste of money if buying new. But I also fully believe that if you can find it for a third of the price used it's a phenomenal beginner bike and will teach you a lot. Happy my friend totalled mine and I'm on a 600rr now.
Heavy components usually signify better quality and long lasting mechanics. The Honda brand retains reliability, if you were to sell either bike as a private seller I'd buy from a Honda rider, they seem more "responsible" as owners.
I get what you're saying and I agree with you. But at some point having 47 horsepower to control a 420 lb bike is a little much. It does make for a very friendly beginner experience as long as you unbothered by the weight!
Sometimes weight is good at high speeds too. It feels stable.
Unfortunately i disagree here i love my 500 i own a gixxer600 and s1000rr i ride on track. They are perfect for there intended market. The weight helps the country riding i do in Australia. More comfortable than the ninga and being 6'1 the size and ergonomics definitely help me
The winglets have to do with homoglation for racing. If the manufacturer wants to use winglets in racing, they have to be on the street version. Fort Nine dropped a video yesterday about this subject.
That doesn't really apply to this 500cc bike. He was talking about bikes that need to be homologated for Superbike or Supersport racing classes. 1000's and 600's primarily. These winglets are purely a styling choice.
Being a broke beginner, I'd rather have an old bike with duct tape on the saddle that runs amazing and costs a fraction of the cost of a shiny new porker like the cbr500r.
It's ok but you are right about price and weight i like that they made the color match my 22 600rr
I own a CBR500 and have ridden a Ninja 400 and the Ninja feels like a toy compared to the CBR. I acknowledge that the Ninja is more sporty and flickable, but the CBR is so much more stable and easier to ride on the street
4:42 fucking WOT? 190 Kilos??? for a 46 HP bike???? Honda, BMW's 1000cc Bike makes over 207HP and weighs just 5 kilos more! WTF?????
Yeah that's so funny, like where does all that weight even come from? But at least if you upgrade from it the weight of your new 600 or 1000 will be similar but you'll just have more power so it might be easier to get used to.
Cheap bike = cheap materials
it seems that the weight comes from the engine and the frame that was made with steel instead of aluminum alloy, i have one and yeah feels so fucking heavy when you need to move the bike under it but when you are on the bike feels really plenty solid the ground
@@vali69thats probably because the frame and engine are mostly steel rather than using aluminum or other lighter metals. Steel makes for an indestructible bike, I will give the Honda that, it will not break on you, but it comes at a cost
The engine won't be made by aluminium. Have you ever even heard of the frame going wrong through use? The 1994 CB500 was only 170kg
Heavier is not always a bad thing, its more stable on highways.
I believe the inverted forks and better brakes gives a superior riding quality
It’s a great bike the only people who complain are the bruh bruh bruh crowd who think anything less than 1000 cc is too small. After 40 years of riding it’s not 1000ccs that makes you great or makes it fun it’s the ability to ride what you have to the very edge
I miss the VFR (Interceptors). I like the VFR750 and 800.
Edit and the 88-90 VTR250. I would love to have one of those.
When you are a beginner, just take a cheap, light, and weak bike. Ride that for year, and after this you will take enough experience for normal bike like cbr650.
My first bike was a CBR650F, which I highly recommend, if you can afford the new 650r it's the same bike but looks better.
Absolutely agree, I have a 2014 cbr650f and the machine is so much fun. I feel like the power delivery is pretty linear up to about 7k when you can start feeling that inline 4 kick.
Honda should just make this 500 look exactly like it's younger brother 250rr!. just like how older gen CBR 125, 150, 250, and 300 look exactly the same. and they should unlock CBR500 full potential since CBR250rr makes 41hp from it's small 250cc P-Twin. i have a feeling that this 500 can easily make 55 or even 60hp if honda put just a little bit of time tuning it and ignore the a2 license power limit LOL
I would love to hear you talking about the VFR 1200F DCT ❤
as my experience with how bulletproof and economical my '21 cb500x is, if given the chance i would buy the 500r as companion bike. Yes just like you said, i like its looks.
I think the 500 appeals to larger people more than the 300. It's not an impressive bike, but for some people it's a good fit. And IMO, the 2022 CBR 500R is the best looking sport bike.
Also, can we please stop calling the strakes and canards on sport bikes 'winglets'. They're not winglets. Winglets are the vertical pieces on the end of a wing that mitigate parasitic drag and have almost nothing to do with generating downforce.
I would’ve much preferred a CB400S I had to settle for a CB400 for my first bike and it was great but, I needed to change the bar setup if I kept it, instead I went to a DL650 V-Strom
Having ridden the CBR, as a 5'11" guy it is extremely comfortable. Haven't sat on the Ninja - but the Honda is great for both commuting and has enough grunt at high revs to smile about. Having said that, if the comfort level is good enough on the Ninja then this is definately the better choice
The CBR looks gorgeous, the ninja looks like a toy. Im a total noob whos about to have its first lesson upcomming monday.
Hey Herro Honda has re launched their car 600rr can you say if it’s available in the North America market?
Honda bikes are heavy, only the supersport category is light weight
Honestly I'd pass on both of them. As Honda is most definitely resting on the Honda name and have been doing it for awhile. As for the Ninja "500"/450 it has the same power as the Ninja 400, but the Ninja "500" weights a noticeable 15lbs+ more than the Ninja 400. If you can I'd say go for a Ninja 400 if you can find one. Especially since I know alot of people will jump on the new Ninja without even knowing it's actually a 450. So we could start seeing used Ninja 400 pop up here and there. For me though I'd NEVER buy a Ninja "500"/450 just because of the 50cc round up Kawasaki did.
First of all, the Ninja 500 doesn't make 15 lbs more, no it makes 9 lbs more for the SE version and only 6 lbs more for the non premium version, so your numbers are completely false and you are not mentioning the fact that the ninja 500 has more tork and reaches it around 1000 rpm EARLIER, for the horsepower and the tork (around 5 nm more), so in reality the ninja 500 will accelerate faster
@@aloushmaatouk4516 You're mistaken as in fact the Ninja 400 tips the scales at 370lbs wet, while the Ninja "500"450 weights in at a "Claimed" 377lbs wet but in reality given I've test rode it and weighted it at my dealership it tipped the scales over 384.6lbs wet. All of that is still mute to the fact that Kawasaki fudged the numbers calling a 451cc a 500. It's one thing to call it a 500 if the engine was a 490 as 10cc or less isn't a big thing, but fudging nearly 50cc is a joke. They did it because they know a noob with little knowledge of motorcycles will buy a 500cc bike over a 450cc bike because they think it'll be faster. The same way I've seen noobs buy a 650 over a 600 thinking it's faster. The Ninja 400 is still better. Hell the CFMoto 450SS is better than the Ninja "500"/450.
Revzilla/Zack measured N500 ABS SE at 381 lbs wet, fwiw. And the N400 ABS at 472, giving 9 lbs difference on their scales.
Hard to go wrong with the N400. While it is a great beginner bike it's also just a great bike period (obviously depending on what type riding you want to do). I've ridden cruisers for decades, quit riding for a few years and wanted to go in a different direction when I took riding back up again. Went with Ninja 400 and really enjoy it. While some point to the N500 making a little more torque, the trade off is lower redline. I flog my 400 relentlessly, regularly bumping the rev limiter, regularly running over 100mph and it never misses a beat. For the price, easy call.
@@gpd456 Absolutely AGREE. The Ninja 400 will forever be GOATED as the greatest beginner/low CC bike IMO. It's also incredible on track just revving it to redline and trying to squeeze out faster lap times even if you only gain a tenth or hundredth for a new personal best.
It has wings!!!! This wing shit can’t go away soon enough
The weight helps with freeway riding
I had been looking at the whole 500 series from Honda over the years but I always thought there was something amiss.... lol,
perhaps it's me not wanting to miss my money? thanks for the video
It's funny how the price of the Ninja 500 here in costa Rica is $11.000 and the Honda CBR500R is $9.250. The owners of the Kawasaki dealership here are crazy
It’s ashame how Honda make great bikes but at the end their weight is non negotiable when you compare to the competition. I wonder why that is?
In some markets, like southeast outskirts of EU, difference between stock 2024 cbr500r and stock Kawi is little more than 500€ and SE version of ninja 500 is less than 300€, so moneywise, its there.
On your market, your view about pricing/quality maybe has more sense, but here they are both between 7370-7950€.
So it comes down to personal preference/riding style
very well put HeroRR. The Ninja 500 is definitely a more logical choice. However given that motorcycles are a play toy to most of us, it is very true that sometimes you can take the choice too seriously. there are pros and cons to each option in the beginner bike class. 99% of people cant ride a 250-500 to the limit of the bike, so nothing wrong with just getting the one that looks cool and is a brand you love. I think most of the 250-500 class bikes are close enough that its like, just get the one you think looks coolest. if youre just using it for fun, its an emotional purchase. get what makes YOU happy. screw the spec sheet. great video.
Not a fan of the 500 but the soon to launch 650R sounds like a great bike for beginners to grow onto.
The 500R is less than 10lbs lighter than my old 929RR if I recall correctly
Yep. Got a 954 and the delta is even smaller. I know I'm not the target market but wow this would be so bland
honda isn't really doing anything that impresses me lately
In my country for me is a best option the honda because easier to maintain, less fuel consumption and therefore good for highway and city use
Are we acting like the RS457 doesn't exist?
What are your thoughts on the Aprilia 457?
I want to see a three way shoot out between this bike, the Ninja 500 and CF MOTO 450SS
I made a comment about this on 2nd Gear and people $hit all over me. I completely agree with you. But im not in the market for any parallel twin. Ive had a 2015 S1KRR and im not getting rid of it for anything anytime soon.
I had a feeling that other companies were going to do winglets once Cfmoto did it with the 450ss. I have a 450ss and people tell me they love the looks and they actually want the winglets. Even though it doesn’t do anything. I work at a motorcycle shop and most people want a bike with good “look back value”, while being economic and “fun”. The king of beginner bikes is the ninja 400. Every bigger rider goes right to that one. Most only talk about the cbr500 if their friend or boyfriend is a Honda guy. Hands down the ninja 400 and 650 are the most common bikes at the cycle gear I work at.
Those winglets on 450ss actually play their role. At 120kph (73mph) it generates 2kg (4.5lbs) of downforce. I know it's not much, but it can still help for such a lightweight bike.
Honda has kept the power to meet A2 restrictions. Here in Australia beginners are restricted to A2/LAMS power restricted bikes for at least 3 years & 3 months, or 15 months for over 25 years old with a full DL. With Honda's reputation for reliability & an engine that is under stressed due to the power restriction the CBR500R makes sense here. And sales numbers are good here. It's not as popular as the Ninja or KTM Duke, but the resale value is higher than these on the used bike market.
Also, the Duke 200 I use as a commuter has inverted forks. Just last week I beat a Honda 919 Hornet through an uphill left right corner from a standing start on the street. The stiffer front suspension from USD forks certainly gives you more confidence when cornering.
Amazing take. I've seen kawasakis up close and the quality is just not on par with the Honda, so quality of components and thickness of plastics all add weight, so you have to wonder.. how is Kawasaki lighter and is that at the cost of something else like longevity? The suspension and second disc brake up front adds weight too, you argue that you don't need good suspension on a low power bike or better brakes, but both of these are quality of life improvements that improve the handling of the bike. Although the honda costs more to buy, you also don't loose that much when it comes to reselling it. The power differences between the two bikes is minor and really most people won't tell the difference, but max power is by no means an indication of how a bike performs across the rev range. In the end it comes down to preference and style, but Honda does cost more but so does Ducati. Some people are willing to pay the premium.
The missing context for most riders here is that in a lot of cases the small displacement bikes are the limit for LAMs countries - UK, NZ and Australia.
Or you can get a 650 that’s had restrictions applied. (Which limits its appeal on sale)
The Ninja 400 is the real standard as it’s generally considered a beginners “track” bike. A lot of the older CBR500s, CB500s and the like are still very popular beginner bikes, they are still a great starting point.
The purchase from new conversation is a controversial one - as it’s not the greatest idea when getting into any hobby. Drop your brand new bike? Ouch.
Nice explained video, someone can notice the work you put in but no need for that title in my opinion
Reminds me of the Clickbait era
My Honda Africa twin has 1000cc engine, witch is same size as the 500. It has double displacement of 500, double power (70kw/ 35kw for 500), and it has same weight, best bike i have riden ever. Honda can do much better with 500, but they simpley doesn't want to, they need to be pushed to corner by other manufactures like they were with AT to do so. (Sorry for my English, im still learning)
Why does everyone act like they need to make a new engine for a bike every few years? Plus, these two bikes perform totally different at high speeds on the highway. How is that not a major consideration?
Bruh I misread the title as CBR650R and was ready to throw hands 🤣
I think the resale value is much better with the Honda vs the Kawi. It might also have a better fuel efficiency and an unkillable engine.
Great bike rides super nice well worth the money it well last forever lighter faster doesn't make a better bike weight is not a penalty it makes the bike stable
471cc tractor engine. Restricted to A2 license 47 hp. Doesn't rev that much compared to the competition. Bike weighs quite a lot. It's a misfit in the class. Honda continues to phone it in. One of the most boring brands in today's motorcycling. Imagine if Yamaha had never released the MT class in 2014 and continued down the road Honda has. Yamaha would have died.
Honda CBR500R what it should be:
498cc 90° Vtwin (think baby RC51), making at least 55 hp, weighing less than 400 pounds, costing at least $500 less.
Ninja 500 all the way. With mods, I could easily get it down to 350 pounds and over 55+ wheel horsepower. The aftermarket turned the Ninja 400 into a racing monster with loads of trick parts (including forged wheels, racing engine modifications, etc). I expect the same to be done to the 451cc. In MotoAmerica racing, the Ninja 400 was almost the entire racing class.
How is Honda competing with CF Moto 450cc class with this heavy, costly 500R? They aren't.
You're absolutely correct. This bike is not worth its price in the same way that the Gixxer 250 is not worth its price compared to other beginner sport bikes.
Thoughts on cbr600rr 06 with 19000 miles for 4k?
Sounds about right
To me a bike that says Honda on the bottom is worth 1000 more. The more premium brakes and suspension can save a beginner that maybe pushed it a little too far. If you’re on a budget of course get the ninja. I bought a CBR 500 as my first bike in 2022 and wouldn’t have chosen different even though I now upgraded to a 600
You have to get the zx4rr to get the same suspension as the honda. Trade in value on the ninja 300,400 have not been good. Also, cbr650r is a behemoth by comparison, but can be found cheaper used. I say it's a much better choice than anything else on the market.
Wow how did Honda manage to make a bike so much heavier than my 99’ Honda CB600 hornet (385lb 175kg and 95+hp) !! Modern bikes are so heavy , they must be charging by weight ?
That's insane you can get an actual good condition and low mileage used 1000 for that price.
So effin tired of winglets.
It's such a fashionable gimmick for production bikes that'll only cost the consumer more given it's just something else that'll easily break during a drop.
You're way off. It isnt trying to be the fastest bike, its trying to be A2 compliant, great for commuting, excellent fuel efficiency, low insurance, bullet proof reliable honda engine, gorgeous appearance, excellent learner bike all while being able to do anything you need it to on the road. Its succeeding in all those goals
I see your point and somewhat agree. Yes, the 500R is a great beginner bike. However, I simply believe the Ninja is a better beginner bike. A beginner bike should be light and cheap. Beginners drop bikes all the time so you're better off learning on something cheaper to buy and fix. Being lighter is also a big advantage as it may make a beginner feel more comfortable while handling it. I am sure the build quality is a lot better and if you have the extra money to spend and plan on keeping the bike for a while then it would make sense to keep it. But if you are just trying to learn and eventually upgrade in a year or two then I'd recommend the ninja.
@@HeroRR one thing bikers dont seem to understand is there is no black and white better or worse option in biking. Something is only good or bad depending on THE INDIVIDUAL RIDERS VALUES AND NEEDS. Im 6ft tall, the 420lbs is no problem to throw around and makes transitioning to the weight of a bigger bike easier. I live in nyc, SPEED MEANS NOTHING, this is a fully fared naked bike, perfect for nyc traffic and commuting, its weight makes you feel stable on the highway, beginners dont like being pushed around on the highway. Im having a very hard time justifying moving up, why pay more for insurance and gas when I already own my bike, its gorgeous and can do 110mph? How good a bike is depends on the riders values and needs. I would take this over the ninja everytime
or get Cfmoto450sr that beats both cbr500r when it comes to tech and is still somehow faster than a Ninja 500 still manages to be more affordable 😂
Great looking bike, but for the money i would much rather a ninja 500, or go all out, and grab ZX4RR.
A cbr500 is going to slaughter a zx4rr off the line for daily riding. The tiny inline-4 needs a lot of revs.
@@xorbe2 lmfao the hell is wrong with you, in what World? The I've seen the zx4rr hit 142mph, the cbr with it's weight and power could only wish to hit at least 110mph. You must be new to motorcycle.
What's that outro song?
Think my comments have been banned on UA-cam in general.. but hey.. thanks for the vids... I don't ride anymore.. sold my ducati when my kid was born...
After over 30 years bike riding, including a 1st gen Hayabusa, a beginner bike is made for learning and eonjoying, I don't think premium gimmicks would increase fun or allow being some faster or feeling more secure. So the higher price due to this choice doesn't make any sense to me. I would definitely buy the ninja.
Yea ninja 500 is like 40lbs lighter than the honda. Think like 19lbs heavier than the ninja 400. Nice beginner woth a lil more pep. Has same seat height as ninja 400 which is 0.2" lower than the honda
Ever since Honda started catering to the "growing segment of the market" AKA people who don't actually ride, but own a motorcycle; the entirety of their road bikes have been glorified also-rans. Being thoroughly outclassed by Kawasaki particularly, in terms of comparison.
Between the Honda and Kawasaki, I honestly slightly prefer the Honda. The styling is nicer, and the many small enhancements and features over the Kawasaki are meaningful to me. Too bad it is so heavy. Sub-400lbs would make this bike perfect to me.
Winglets on a road bike are a terrible idea, and on a slow bike?
These are supposed to give you a slight downforce advantage at high speeds, which 500 will never reach.
On top of that, winglets introduce a risk of front tyre losing traction at road speeds under sudden downforce increase due to heavy incoming wind
TL;DR cool, but avoid at all costs :)
The engine is more suitable for a beginner adv bike rather than a beginner sport bike. I mean 17l capacity, 3,5km/l is an adv stats.
In my country this cbr500r 2024 is 6,060usd
Nah man did you check the fuel consumption?
26 vs 31 kmpl.
It's always easy to make an engine with a lot of power. But it takes skills to make an engine that makes a lot of power while only sipping fuel.
Personally, i don't get why people only view performance when it comes to motorcycles, because that's the main reason why motorcycle companies rather than develop an engine that outputs 200hp while complying with Euro5 or even Euro6, they just stop production. Because the riders don't care about fuel consumption, which in turn makes the manufacturer not care about it as well.
I think we should start pushing manufacturers to make more fuel efficient engines by prioritizing fuel efficiency when choosing a bike, so the bike manufacturers will have to think of a way to make something like the R1M comply with Euro6 instead of just stopping production altogether.
I think my mt09 sp is the same weight as the 500r 😆
I was considering getting a cbr 500r used as a first bike but ended up looking elsewhere. everything else just seems to do what the cbr does but better.
The cbr500r is basically a neutered 600rr. Roughly half the hp. Half the cylinders. And roughly the same weight. It is an excellent introduction to the motorcycle sport riding.
That's actually a problem for the Ninja, not the CBR...
Ninjas are always hard to argue with when you are talking about price to performance
Basically if you want to go fast for a price get a Ninja, any other else get the other brands
if they had done away with the 300's and not priced this so high it couldve done great.
Most beautifull modern entry level supersport bike. For my 2023 Cbr greatest are handling and braking , I call it "small panigale" as now on age 63 not ride my Ducati. Competitors with one break disk , classic fork (not upside) , not slipped clutch , not led lights e.t.c looks like dinosaurs from paleolithic season ( i lived there ...). The proven reliable motor used years before and minimum fuel consumption with big fuel tank is the best for long tripsj and for daily commuting into heavy traffic among cars. The real only problem not to buy are chinese copies ... with cheapest price and more accesories they offer.
If you want a cheaper bike buy the CL500, CMX500, CB500
Bad video bro. , i had a cbr500 it is bulletproof , also it still pulls uphill with 2 people and it is very stable on the highway
Lol honda fanboys trying to defend this bike is laughable. A ninja 400 slaps this in every way possible.
I'm pretty sure this weighs as much as my xsr 900. 😂