They aren’t really comparable abilities, one is a nuke ability and the other is a hax bypass ability (granted infinite rotation did work as a hax bypass against funny valentine).
JoJo nerd here (again). Yes, the "spin" phenomenon that Gyro, Johnny, and Wekapipo uses is different from the "spin" phenomenon that Josuke (part 8) uses while using Go Beyond. In the entirety of JoJolion, Josuke's "spin" was never stated to be "spin," but it was ALWAYS called, "Josuke's spin" or "Josuke's explosive spin." And it's properties are very different from the regular "spin" phenomenon which is bound by time, gravity, fate, calamity, and logic. Josuke's explosive spin, is not bound by any of these things. It was stated in the manga in the IR profile of Tusk - Act 4, "With the rotation using the horse's running power, combined with Johnny's Tusk's rotation, a stand ability with the power of infinite rotational energy. In order to control gravity, that rotation pierces through other dimensions. (Its damage is also likely infinite and should never end)." end quote Also, the gravity part is Tusk - Act 4 controlling gravity that the spin controls, which is why it can move in stopped time. Tusk Act 4's ability of the Infinite Spin is a nail bullet that can bypass any defense, not only that, but it can also bypass any obstacle. Like how the energy traveled through the ground to reach the Alternate Universe Diego Brando in the High Voltage chapters. The infinite spin will chase you across infinity to end you, even if you hop to different dimensions infinitely, swap bodies infinitely, and will drag you to the place where you are first shot, while destroying you in the process by spinning every aspect of your body. This is how it was able to bypass D4C: Love Train's barrier that redirects any misfortune, not just attacks, across space and time, stated in guidebooks to be "above mathematical dimensions," although this statement could be up to interpretation. But, as I've said before, Wonder of U is more powerful than D4C: Love Train. And Johnny's Infinite Spin is bound by logic. It follows the laws of the JoJo multiverse, Josuke's spin does not. AND, Josuke's spin defeated Wonder of U, that came back AFTER Toru's death, it came back as a true calamity, something like the concept taken form. It was also destroyed by Soft & Wet: Go Beyond. Even though Josuke cannot precisely control Go Beyond, he can roughly *guide* it's movements. Josuke's Soft & Wet: Go Beyond is FAR superior to Johnny's Tusk - Act 4.
I like How I get to find a JoJo fan who explains The Spin Jhonny and Josuke uses but He also Explained why Wonder of u is more powerful than D4C since I always see people say that D4C can counter WOU because of Love train.
@@pokechess9172 And also because Araki said Wonder of U is the strongest villain stand so far, perhaps beyond even hope. JoJolion Volume 27 - Author's Note "Who's stronger, Godzilla or Ultraman? That's been on my mind ever since I fantasized about it as a child. When I write JoJo, this topic isn't something I can avoid. Who is the strongest villain? What is strength, and what is happiness? I think the strongest and most terrifying adversary one can face is something called "calamity." Calamity seems to attack at random, but is actually bound by a certain logic, and comes to all of us equally. It’s too powerful. Even thinking about how to overcome it may itself be impossible. Thus, JoJolion draws to a close." - Hirohiko Araki, 17th September 2021
I think Gappy would have to steal the cursed energy straight out of Gojo’s body to get rid of the infinity. Otherwise Gojo would just regenerate the infinity barrier with said cursed energy the second Gappy steals it
Overall soft and wet go beyond is the more powerful stand as well as being the more versatile stand considering soft and wet alone has the ability to plunder a lot of things even concepts like friction or damage from what I remember and while Tusk act 4 spin is powerful it is still couldn't defeat Wonder Of U which was defeated by soft and wet go beyond because his soap bubbles were able to destroy a conceptual being which is Wonder Of U so here's how I see it in terms of the top four most powerful stands currently D4C love train, Tusk act 4, Wonder of U and soft and wet go beyond.
tusk more versitile and adapt any situation , soft and wet go beyond bubbles out of this world and like a little black hole that not attract anything but complately destroys atoms that bubble touches and bubble doesnt affected by anything and josuke learn to control go beyond bubbles
Tusk is not more versatile. Did you remember that S&W can take away properties from objects, like fluids from a person, friction from a floor, sight from a person and hair from a cat?
@pretosheepkkk4123 Because Calamity is everywhere and exist on everything (including concepts). The bubbles can only remove properties on one individual and physical object at a time. He’d have to cover the entire planet with the bubbles to theoretically steal all the calamity energy from everything The infinite rotational energy is specifically focused and channeled onto certain objects and people so it’s easier to steal
Would this be some good match ups in the future? Altair of Re Creators versus Featherine Augustus of Umineko. & Odin of Fortissimo versus Archetype Earth of Nasuverse?
It was a bit unclear but it looked more like he was going for an Ora barrage and the bubble happened to fire in Wonder of U’s direction. He failed to control it in the scene prior so it doesn’t make sense that he somehow learned to control it off screen
They aren’t really comparable abilities, one is a nuke ability and the other is a hax bypass ability (granted infinite rotation did work as a hax bypass against funny valentine).
Go beyond is beyond infinite
It goes beyond thats its thing
@@BIGSHOT__ It really does not exist or exist
paradoxes, fun
It's a 1d line (not actually a line since a line is 2d) that's spins infinitely so it takes a look of a circle
@@VVooshbait no I think they just look that way to the gyroscopic force or whatever it’s called ,because of of the infinite spin element
It’s actually the inverse
JoJo nerd here (again). Yes, the "spin" phenomenon that Gyro, Johnny, and Wekapipo uses is different from the "spin" phenomenon that Josuke (part 8) uses while using Go Beyond. In the entirety of JoJolion, Josuke's "spin" was never stated to be "spin," but it was ALWAYS called, "Josuke's spin" or "Josuke's explosive spin." And it's properties are very different from the regular "spin" phenomenon which is bound by time, gravity, fate, calamity, and logic. Josuke's explosive spin, is not bound by any of these things.
It was stated in the manga in the IR profile of Tusk - Act 4, "With the rotation using the horse's running power, combined with Johnny's Tusk's rotation, a stand ability with the power of infinite rotational energy. In order to control gravity, that rotation pierces through other dimensions. (Its damage is also likely infinite and should never end)." end quote
Also, the gravity part is Tusk - Act 4 controlling gravity that the spin controls, which is why it can move in stopped time. Tusk Act 4's ability of the Infinite Spin is a nail bullet that can bypass any defense, not only that, but it can also bypass any obstacle. Like how the energy traveled through the ground to reach the Alternate Universe Diego Brando in the High Voltage chapters. The infinite spin will chase you across infinity to end you, even if you hop to different dimensions infinitely, swap bodies infinitely, and will drag you to the place where you are first shot, while destroying you in the process by spinning every aspect of your body. This is how it was able to bypass D4C: Love Train's barrier that redirects any misfortune, not just attacks, across space and time, stated in guidebooks to be "above mathematical dimensions," although this statement could be up to interpretation.
But, as I've said before, Wonder of U is more powerful than D4C: Love Train. And Johnny's Infinite Spin is bound by logic. It follows the laws of the JoJo multiverse, Josuke's spin does not. AND, Josuke's spin defeated Wonder of U, that came back AFTER Toru's death, it came back as a true calamity, something like the concept taken form. It was also destroyed by Soft & Wet: Go Beyond. Even though Josuke cannot precisely control Go Beyond, he can roughly *guide* it's movements.
Josuke's Soft & Wet: Go Beyond is FAR superior to Johnny's Tusk - Act 4.
I like How I get to find a JoJo fan who explains The Spin Jhonny and Josuke uses but He also Explained why Wonder of u is more powerful than D4C since I always see people say that D4C can counter WOU because of Love train.
D4C is bound in logic, Thats why WOU can somehow bypass love train
@@pokechess9172 And also because Araki said Wonder of U is the strongest villain stand so far, perhaps beyond even hope.
JoJolion Volume 27 - Author's Note
"Who's stronger, Godzilla or Ultraman? That's been on my mind ever since I fantasized about it as a child. When I write JoJo, this topic isn't something I can avoid. Who is the strongest villain? What is strength, and what is happiness? I think the strongest and most terrifying adversary one can face is something called "calamity." Calamity seems to attack at random, but is actually bound by a certain logic, and comes to all of us equally. It’s too powerful. Even thinking about how to overcome it may itself be impossible. Thus, JoJolion draws to a close." - Hirohiko Araki, 17th September 2021
doesnt change the fact johnny would win in a fight
also the only "feat" for WOU>D4C:LT is appeal to authority fallacy so
Tusk is the more reliable ability imo,
Tusk overall is the better abilty
Wait by Gappy stealing the infinite rotation, doesn't that mean he can steal Gojo's infinity?(since it has been show that the infinity is tangible)
I think Gappy would have to steal the cursed energy straight out of Gojo’s body to get rid of the infinity. Otherwise Gojo would just regenerate the infinity barrier with said cursed energy the second Gappy steals it
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To Infinity, and BEYOND!
if johnny shots himself with a nail that is rotating in a different direction of his infinite spin he can stop himself from dieing
Overall soft and wet go beyond is the more powerful stand as well as being the more versatile stand considering soft and wet alone has the ability to plunder a lot of things even concepts like friction or damage from what I remember and while Tusk act 4 spin is powerful it is still couldn't defeat Wonder Of U which was defeated by soft and wet go beyond because his soap bubbles were able to destroy a conceptual being which is Wonder Of U so here's how I see it in terms of the top four most powerful stands currently D4C love train, Tusk act 4, Wonder of U and soft and wet go beyond.
good video and the thumbnail was fire too
tusk more versitile and adapt any situation , soft and wet go beyond bubbles out of this world and like a little black hole that not attract anything but complately destroys atoms that bubble touches and bubble doesnt affected by anything and josuke learn to control go beyond bubbles
Tusk is not more versatile. Did you remember that S&W can take away properties from objects, like fluids from a person, friction from a floor, sight from a person and hair from a cat?
Guy in a really strong armor VS Nuclear Bomb
Nah, I don't think Soft and Wet can just store the energy of act 4, it is after all infinity
I don’t think the bubbles really have a weight limit or anything. They already break physics by some being non-existent
@@BUR404 Then why didnt he use the bubbles to store the energy of calamity since its a force like gravity?
@pretosheepkkk4123 Because Calamity is everywhere and exist on everything (including concepts). The bubbles can only remove properties on one individual and physical object at a time. He’d have to cover the entire planet with the bubbles to theoretically steal all the calamity energy from everything
The infinite rotational energy is specifically focused and channeled onto certain objects and people so it’s easier to steal
@@BUR404same for spin and the golden ratio though
did bro call jesus a prophet
Technically he is
The most historical evidence we have showns that he and the people around he saw him as prophet
Earlier in the video you said that act 4 ignores all defensive forces due to gravity. And then you say it can be stopped by a defensive ability?
Both one shot GER
But u still the strongest
@@Jjkenjoyer732 you're god damn right I am, and I'm only getting stronger
@@TherealDIOoverheaven ger negs both
@@Xxevvy what's in the puff?
the cope is insane
Would this be some good match ups in the future?
Altair of Re Creators versus Featherine Augustus of Umineko.
&
Odin of Fortissimo versus Archetype Earth of Nasuverse?
Doesn't Gappy aim SaW GB at WoU at the end in chapter 108???
It was a bit unclear but it looked more like he was going for an Ora barrage and the bubble happened to fire in Wonder of U’s direction. He failed to control it in the scene prior so it doesn’t make sense that he somehow learned to control it off screen
@@BUR404 he says he can't control it perfectly but can aim it approximately in 108.
@@blueberryelf1150are you sure he was referring to the go beyond bubble from his birth mark