Arcade Hardware vs Taki Clone vs 2 x Original DE10 NANO's | Side-by-Side | MiSTer Pi FPGA
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Testing the @TakiUdon MiSTer Pi FPGA DE10 NANO against two original Terasic DE10 NANO's and the Original Arcade Board of Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo (World Version). All settings are the same across all four devices.
A special thanks to Chowster for providing the arcade footage.
The results are very interesting.
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Some Additional information
Meta data for mobile phone recording confirms that the recording of the original arcade board was
59.467Hz
and not
60Hz
I remember I heard from Artemio Urbina that very few mister cores could be considered 1 : 1 accurate with real hardware, so I think maybe it is out of context to compare with real hardware right now.
But, on the other hand, I also think this is a great opportunity to encourage mister developers to pursue that level of perfection. For instance, Artemio wrote an audio application called mdfourier that can be used in that regard.
I wouldn't be so sure that execution is deterministic for this core or this sequence.
Same, this isn't the same as just letting attract mode run.
It'd be interesting to see software emulation in there too
Yes that was a good Video 😅
This is an absolutely awesome video. Exactly what i was looking for. Thank you so much. Keep up the great work.
@@brettelliott42 Thanks for watching 👍
I wonder if it would be closer if all was on a crt.
Wouldn't make a difference.
you've got to love the look of the CRT.. 😁Nice video bud.
@@T200026 Thanks Al
I can't play MiSTer without the CRT filters... those chunky pixels stab my eyeballs, hehe
Out of interest did you check the metadata of the mobile phone video file in your editor? I find many mobiles don't do true 60fps but slightly under which could explain going further out of sync over time
I didn't, but when I get back home, I'll give it a look.
I just got my friend to check the meta data, and you're right, it captured it at 59.467 and not 60.
Good work PCN - not an easy thing to compare!
It was actually kinda fun.
a valid test would've been capturing the mister footage exactly the same way the PCB footage was so we get a more like-for-like comparison.
Now that u have 3 mister u could use Mister laggy to messure the lag of the 3 devices in order to understand if there is any differences in the 3. Is a cheap cool device, great for some content
Maybe.
Unless all of these are running CRT as video output (or conversely, all LCD/OLED, assuming CPS2 OG arcade board has HDMI output mod), then this test is kind of irrelevant.
I wonder if these slight differences could also be measured in four identical MiSTers using de-10's...
Great video. Any option is great to enjoy this game.
I didn't watch the full video - but were the DIP/settings the same as the arcade? also, traditionally the timing differences with these M68k games relates to the emulation of 'wait states', or lack thereof. The turbo games will try and run the game engine as fast as possible without consideration to the poor developers trying to emulate it!
Excellent. I'm basically buying Takis MISter for his game，love the work.
Why the qmtech mister not enter into the fighting?
I don't have one. I've been in contact with QMTech and have requested the purchase of a fully assembled unit. They said they'd get back to me when they have them for sale.
In the meantime, if you want me to add it to the test roster, you can send me footage from yours for comparison.
Good comparison @PCN. Would like to see more of these.
This is like pulling up at the lights and noticing your indicators are in sync with the car in front - it mesmerises you until they bloody well go out of sync slowly...
Interesting analogy. How long are you spending at Red lights? lol
@@PixelCherryNinja Too much time. Too much.
You are crazy i Love this vs Video ❤
The Mister IS so Close to the original Arcade.
I think no PC Emulator can this .
Thx for your hard Work on this Video 👍
MAME can if setup with some of the newer features. Not for all games however.
This makes me wonder if the timings are less about the motherboard and more about the specific ram module used. There have been many revisions in the past years, and I know some run at different speeds than others.
De-10 Nano Dual Ram compared to Mister Pi Dual Ram frame comparison please.
Makes you wonder how accurate fpga really is to original hardware
Love this PCN, I don't think there's anything majorly important wrong with any of the differences here, FPGA never clamed to be 100% cycle accurate and has been more about the input lag, some retro games are very frustrating on emulation (from my experience). For example on my pocket playing rainbow islands I'm currently trying complete the perfect 1 life game which i regard as impossible on emulation due to the timing of jumps but the pocket is definitely possible, extremely hard but possible (world 7 is my nemesis currently). I also have an upright Virtua racing arcade machine and on the highest spec pc, switch or handheld using emulation i cannot get close to the times i can do on the arcade machine with either analogue or digital controllers. i mean NOT EVEN CLOSE, I wait for Sega model one to come to fpga to test it and will happily spend hours testing the core against the arcade machine.
Wasn’t Super Turbo always poorly timed in emulation? I remember Super Turbo players complaining about that for YEARS.
What RAM did the Mister Pi have?
Single
Emulation is close enough for me…and practically free!😂
There is nothing wrong with that. Enjoy your games, wherever you enjoy them.
what music is playing in the intro?
Thank you so much for this awesome comparison!
@@dbnpoldermans4120 Legendary Axe PC-Engine
@@PixelCherryNinja Thank you so much for taking the time to respond. It was driving me nuts!
Such a beautiful bit in your intro.
I'd keep it forever!
@@dbnpoldermans4120 thanks, I'm still not bored of the intro or the soundtrack.
wouldn't this just prove that this core was not very accurate more than anything useful out of the de10 nanos?
So the FPGAs are out of sync with the original hardware!? Thankfully I kept my original boards.
Not really. The phone doesn't record at a true 60 fps, so the video capture will always eventually go out of synch.
I love these tests. So mister is not that accurate as they say. I thought it should be 1:1 recreation with the cycle accuracy and all that things that is mister known for
That may not be the case, as my tests are not true science.
Cycle accuracy doesn't necessarily mean it's 1:1. There are a bunch of cores I've compared to original hardware and some don't indeed match. The Bubble Bobble core is miles from the original. Most people don't care/notice or have the original gear to compare though. And I guess most people don't have the cash to buy thousands of pounds of original hardware.
@@LordBarkoso what's the point of having mister compared to software emulation? Cause it's expensive. I thought it was accuracy
The phone doesn't record at a true 60 fps, so the video capture will always eventually go out of synch.
@@miltonbates6425but all 3 were recorded with phone and misters are pretty close in sync compared to original hardware