Classic Car Air Conditioning Systems - How They Work, Their Differences And Basic Troubleshooting

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  • Опубліковано 28 лип 2024
  • Aftermarket A/C systems have become a popular addition to classic era cars in recent years, but there is a lot to be said for the systems the factory installed in these cars when new.
    There are countless small variations used by the manufacturers over the years, but there are basic elements to all these systems that are universal.
    If you know how they work, and the essential differences between them, you can troubleshoot and repair them at home, yourself.
    Here's a rundown using our 1972 Dart as an example.
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  • @charlieb308
    @charlieb308 Рік тому +72

    Beware of any car seller who claims the AC just needs a recharge, it never just needs to be filled up, there is always problems that’s why they didn’t just fill it back up

    • @TheOtherSean
      @TheOtherSean Рік тому +6

      Yep. The old "It just needs...." lol

    • @UNCFIPP
      @UNCFIPP Рік тому +2

      And those recharge kits at auto zone are a scam for this reason.. UWILL be recharging again next summer

    • @kenleppek
      @kenleppek Рік тому +4

      Yes refrigerant does not simply go away or become depleted. If it needs charged there is a leak somewhere.

    • @RockymountainRobert
      @RockymountainRobert Рік тому +1

      That actually goes for all people selling there used cars, it "just" needs this and that, other than that it was my daily driver 🤣

    • @charlieb308
      @charlieb308 Рік тому +1

      @@RockymountainRobert ran when parked 30 years ago, former show car when brand new, just needs TLC, only surface rust

  • @jopuremount606
    @jopuremount606 Рік тому +101

    This is the kind of content you had on TV before everything got dumbed down

    • @motov8-garage832
      @motov8-garage832 Рік тому +13

      I haven't watched cable tv in close to 20 years. No news, or even the weather in about 10 lol.
      I'm in my early 30s too, got tired of the bs a long time ago, aspecially the news, it makes you depressed seems like.
      I go outside and do stuff, love me some youtube automotive videos though 😄 it's good for ya

    • @spacecat7247
      @spacecat7247 Рік тому +10

      TV automotive shows Lost touch with reality years ago..

    • @shanecutbirth1835
      @shanecutbirth1835 Рік тому +3

      Sponsor's agenda is king

    • @natevanlandingham1945
      @natevanlandingham1945 Рік тому +3

      Yea missed the old days on TNN with the outdoors shows and then car shows.

    • @dubiousf00d
      @dubiousf00d Рік тому +4

      ​@@motov8-garage832same here. I'm in my late 30s and tv is nothing these days. Used for video games once in a while. The news was only watched for the weather toward the end of my TV days

  • @gerhardbraatz6305
    @gerhardbraatz6305 Рік тому +50

    I'm a retired mechanic and you did a great job explaining the AC system. I specially love the explanation of the dash. Hilarious!

  • @johncheney4850
    @johncheney4850 Рік тому +52

    Good job.
    I'm an ASE certified mechanic of 30 years.
    People in my town are amazed that the AC works on my 78 f100 farm truck. They can't get there 5 year old vehicle to blow cold air.....

    • @dougfisher1813
      @dougfisher1813 Рік тому +6

      Same here. 76 Dodge Dart all original and the AC still blows ice cold.

  • @StudioDaVeed
    @StudioDaVeed Рік тому +30

    UTG covers so much so clearly and quickly; a 15 minute video has 30 minutes of information.

  • @Tshade67
    @Tshade67 Рік тому +34

    I've been working on automotive ac systems for over 30 years and you did a wonderful job explaining it's workings Uncle Tony!

  • @ryanrychliski6464
    @ryanrychliski6464 Рік тому +19

    You nailed it. Awesome video. Compressors don’t die they are killed. Your failing expansion valve is what killed your compressor by not regulating refrigerant flow properly the compressor wasn’t getting enough oil and seized. Don’t replace a compressor without figuring out why it died or else you’ll be doing it twice. I’m a refrigeration guy 👍🏻

    • @pbsocal1
      @pbsocal1 Рік тому +2

      The question has always been, "when does a vapor pump turn into a liquid pump?" Just before you replace it.

    • @scotcoon1186
      @scotcoon1186 Рік тому

      We had a pererbilt eat 3 last summer.
      I got blamed for the backwards orifice when the second one I did died.
      I pulled it out with needle nose pliers, held the new one beside the old to grab it so I'd get it the right way.
      That truck ate one every spring.

  • @hunnybunnysheavymetalmusic6542

    I got a good chuckle out of it...
    Between 'decadent' and 'the closest thing to hell while still being alive' comments, it was great!

  • @toddburgess6792
    @toddburgess6792 Рік тому +3

    I no longer believe A/C to be magic!
    Uncle Tony explained how it works, excellently.
    My dad was an engineer for Harrison Radiator Division, General Motors Corporation. How did I not know the workings of an A/C unit?!?!!

  • @NBSV1
    @NBSV1 Рік тому +18

    Some of the old style compressors are able to be used as an auxiliary air compressor. Since they store oil in a sump rather than relying on oil flowing in the system they will work fine without a closed loop system. Can be super handy having an engine driven air compressor with an electric clutch.

  • @jonathangehman4005
    @jonathangehman4005 Рік тому +7

    I've been messing around working on my own AC for 30yrs and can usually make things work "pretty good", you easily doubled my grasp of the system with 1 video. My Dad spent 40yrs as a Chrysler tech and he explained this to me a dozen times but never in a way that really came together into a complete picture in my(feeble) brain. He's 86 and I'm doing most of the work on his Dakota daily and '79 HotRod Pick-M-Up these days, I'm going to sound like less of a rookie next time I work on his AC.
    Thanks Tony

  • @griffparker1466
    @griffparker1466 Рік тому +16

    Love this kind of content. Currently trying to become comfortable w ac systems so I can repair them in my classics. Would drive them way more with working ac

  • @TAVOAu
    @TAVOAu Рік тому +10

    Good job explaining this Tony, and covering all areas. Strange as it may be, our first local Mopar down under with factory integrated air, was in 1969. In 68 you could get a dealer fit under dash system. In 1970, the system was changed to run a Tecumseh parallel twin compressor, so that V twin died off here. Good work. Highly regulated down here, no such thing as home charging, has to be done by a licensed operator, and they know how to charge!

  • @justinweidenbach3699
    @justinweidenbach3699 Рік тому +2

    Again, UTG is the best thing going on the internet.

  • @arthurweidner3990
    @arthurweidner3990 Рік тому +2

    I've always favored the txv (thermostatic expansion valve) system with the receiver drier over the orifice tube and accumulator drier on the suction line. They are WAY easier to add a little charge to if the system is low via the sight glass vs having to pull the charge and weigh in the correct amount on an orifice tube system. Anything else on an orifice tube system and you're just guessing. The other thing nice about a txv system is it can react to different operating conditions and meter refrigerant accordingly. As a former transport refrigeration and air conditioning mechanic of many years I think you did a great job explaining the system!

  • @captainjohnh9405
    @captainjohnh9405 Рік тому +1

    Tony, Thank You for another video for we folks who are not racers but only want a solid daily driver!
    RRRRooooooLLL up Your Windowwws, damn it! The Air Conditioning is on!!!!

  • @BrandonLeeBrown
    @BrandonLeeBrown Рік тому +3

    I remember the first car we had with air conditioning. We drove it when it was new, up to Canada in the Summer for the World's Fair. It was so humid, the air conditioning was dripping waitron in the passenger side floor. We went to a garage where they spoke French, they told us it was normal and that the humidity was overwhelming the air conditioning drain. All of the garage technicians at the garage in Canada wore white doctor coats. After Canada, the A/C drain was never a problem again. The owner's manual said to run the A/C at least once a month, even Winter, for certain number of miles, to keep it lubricated and from seizing up. It didn't cycle with the defroster, like they do in newer cars, but mentioned using the A/C to defog the windshield. We had the car for 10 years and the A/C only lasted for about 5 years., but with quite a few miles on it.

  • @rondrew2857
    @rondrew2857 Рік тому +6

    Good video, you should be an autoshop teacher. AC and 5 speed were the best things I ever put in my 66 Chevelle. I got ac licenses years ago, but quit working on them myself except for emergencies.

    • @MrTravisAl
      @MrTravisAl Рік тому

      Why did you stop? What made you want to stop?

  • @yesmaybe3791
    @yesmaybe3791 Рік тому +10

    I think Tony meant desiccant not decadent.

    • @michaellehmann2803
      @michaellehmann2803 Рік тому +2

      When he said that I just pictured a tiny Roman emperor inside the accumulator being fanned with a leaf and fed grapes.

    • @jeffduncan9140
      @jeffduncan9140 Рік тому +1

      ​@@michaellehmann2803😂😂😂 that's decadent for sure. I'm thinking John Belushi in a toga with a laurel wreath.

    • @mr.gutwrench
      @mr.gutwrench Рік тому

      Just made me think of chocolate, I didn't get any Roman emperor toga visuals.

  • @redneckrebuilds777
    @redneckrebuilds777 Рік тому +4

    Good job Tony
    You hit all the points. That’s coming from a supermarket refrigeration mechanic.

  • @KLX1990
    @KLX1990 Рік тому +2

    I watched this and thought Tony did a great job explaining for someone who isn't experienced with A/C. I knew the comments were gonna be full of scientists who just have to display their knowledge on thermodynamics and how a/c systems work. It's like every video he makes everyone has to correct and critique when they miss who the videos are even made for

  • @jeremypike9153
    @jeremypike9153 Рік тому +4

    The Dart has what's called a Thermal Expansion Valve or TXV for short. Most systems now use an expansion valve instead of the orifice tube. The new expansion valves regulate off of pressure/volume alone.

  • @kawaiirunnersdriftclub
    @kawaiirunnersdriftclub Рік тому +5

    Really good to undestand basics of A/C on older cars, also I see most of the old stuff still make it's way into newer cars aswell!
    If possible, make a video on the differences from a carb that has the A/C stuff and one who doesn't, I think there's some parts needed on those carbs, I'm not 100% sure. Great video as always Uncle Tony!!!

    • @michaelparra8719
      @michaelparra8719 Рік тому +4

      its usually an electronic solinoid that extendes to raise the idle speed with the ac on so the load of the compressor doesent stall out the engine.

  • @oldguy2082
    @oldguy2082 Рік тому +4

    Youve given great advice; but for those people who choose to do it themselves (with an R12 such as the 72 has), please do not use butane as a substitute for r12.
    Until my retirement, i checked what type gas was in the system of EVERY a/c system i worked on. You never know what is in it! You'd be surprised as to what is in some of these vehicles.
    Also, for those considering doing a conversion from r12 to r134a, be advised that r134a is far less efficient at cooling and takes a lot longer to cool down a vehicle. I did conversions on a European import make when the factory offered a conversion gas kit and not one customer was happy with the results.
    Finally, if the vehicle is more than 5 years old, i replaced the schrader valves as a part of a normal recharge, thus avoiding a potential comeback from a work valve.
    Enjoy your videos, keep it up.

    • @jayslpstapes519
      @jayslpstapes519 Рік тому

      The effective replacement for R-12 what I’ve been told is R-152 which is the compressed air in a can for blowing dust out of your desktop keyboard. You throw about x2 the weight of r-12 n it does the same thing. Better than r-134 conversion

    • @mikafoxx2717
      @mikafoxx2717 2 дні тому

      ​​@@jayslpstapes519that's what I've heard as well. R-152a and under half the weight as factory R-12 charge for the system to run well. It's slightly flammable but nowhere near as much as butane propane mix. It also happens to be 10x better for the environment than R134a and infinitely better than R-12. I suspect 152a will be making a comeback now that our global warming potential for new refrigerant systems needs to get under 700 by 2025.
      R32 is 675, barely making the cut. R134a is 2000 ish, r152a is 170. Propane is like 3.

  • @jayweiss4378
    @jayweiss4378 Рік тому +1

    Orange on muscle cars is Always class! Love that color

  • @andrewtharp2155
    @andrewtharp2155 Рік тому +2

    Back when I was younger and didn't have to nickels to rub together I used propane as my refrigerant every now and then. I don't recommend anyone doing that, but it works. Just got to remember and realize you have a ticking time bomb under the hood and dash of your truck/car. Propane or not I highly recommend a fire extinguisher in any vehicle new or old, it may save you or someone else car from going up in flames.

  • @TheBrokenLife
    @TheBrokenLife Рік тому +7

    Replacing the "dryer" is kind of an outdated thought from when people may not have fully understood the systems and/or vacuum charging wasn't as common. When you pull a vacuum on the system, you're not just evacuating it of air, you're boiling the water out. Just like how a pressurized cooling system increases the boiling point of water, vacuum decreases it. On a nice hot day, with a consumer grade vacuum pump (mine is a lower end Robinaire... not that different from the HFT ones), you can generate enough vacuum to boil the water at ambient temperature (from memory... I think this is around 90F at 29 inches of vacuum... so... the hottest day of the year is a good time for A/C work 😆). When you boil the water, you're boiling it out of the desiccant too and "recharging" it. Also... If you do buy a new dryer, it's not like they come sealed. The last one I did replace just came with plastic caps over the fittings so the threads didn't get damaged. New ones need vacuumed down too... and usually need some amount of oil added to them before installation.
    Where you _do_ want to replace your dryer/receiver/accumulator is when you have a catastrophic compressor failure or the system has been open for a long time. Running the risk of pumping tiny bits of debris out of one into a new compressor isn't worth the few dollars it saves. I wouldn't bother to do it for something like an o-ring failure on a recently working system though. Fix the leak, vac it down, charge it, send it.

  • @medgaslife4509
    @medgaslife4509 Рік тому +3

    We forgot the theory, change of state is critical, we also have heat transfer from condenser and evaporator, txv and orifice tube operation, as in change of state, ALSO the refrigerant carries properties such as a direct pressure to temperature relationship..

    • @kart70
      @kart70 Рік тому

      I agree, but he didn't do badly for a 15-minute primer.

  • @bustownbc2787
    @bustownbc2787 Рік тому

    Your knowledge is a national treasure for us younger folk

  • @pbsocal1
    @pbsocal1 Рік тому +3

    "The closest thing you can come to hell without actually being dead is under the dashboard of an air conditioned classic car" 11:14
    I am a commercial/industrial A/C technician and did a retrofit on my friends 1964 Thunderbird. Zen state all the way in the interior.

  • @davidiverson
    @davidiverson Рік тому +2

    Thanks Uncle Tony for making this video, it was sorely needed! I, like many others just needed the shop teacher breakdown of what everything is and does, especially the valves and lines up close to the firewall. Keep the Chrysler guru knowledge flowing!

  • @shvrdavid
    @shvrdavid Рік тому +17

    Just to clarify. The compressor compresses the freon into a high pressure gas. 300+ psi inside the compressor, 200ish in the high side line. That generates a tremendous amount of heat, over and above what you are actually trying to remove. The evaporator is the first stage of the system, where the heat is absorbed. The condenser is the last stage, where heat is transferred to the outside world.
    The compressor does not force the freon to turn into a liquid. When the hot gaseous freon gets to the condenser, it is cooled by the air going over the condenser and condenses the freon into a liquid from removal of heat and a slight pressure drop across the condenser. Then it is off to the expansion valve, orifice tube, or POA valve (pressure over atmosphere). This is exactly why some systems have 3 service fittings, high, low, and an aux/liquid port to check the pressure drop thru the condenser.
    The cooling does not happen in a valve, that is a longstanding myth. The cooling is from the freon boiling in the expansive volume of the evaporator. Freon starts boiling anywhere from -45 to 5 degrees depending on the type. The freon changing from a liquid, by boiling off in the evaporator, is where the cooling actually occurs, by absorbing heat. I never saw a pot of water instantly boil off, neither does freon. You can literally pour some types of freon on the floor, then it boils and it only boils at the surface of the puddle/droplets... There are refrigerants that can sublimate, and they are not used in cars. Sublimate means it skips the boiling stage during expansion, and instantly turns into a gas. Those are used to get to very low temperatures in manufacturing and storage.
    A receiver dryer is always on the high side of the system, and an accumulator is always on the low side, if they are equipped. Some systems have one or the other, some have both. Neither are disposal at every service because the moisture can be removed easily with a vacuum pump and a heat source. Water boils at 72 degrees in a 29" vacuum. And that is how you get the water out of them, apply a vacuum to the system and if needed apply heat to the desiccant.. If you have a compressor failure, or mixed refrigerants or oils, then that is a completely different issue, and either of the two are the least of your problems because far more needs replaced....
    People replace dryers/accumulators to save time, because they want a far shorter vacuum cycle. Time is money, kind of thing.... Not because it is a disposable part once the system is opened.....
    I taught this, for nearly 35 years...... Most people don't understand how ac actually works. You cant make cold, but you can remove heat.....

    • @gatesj777
      @gatesj777 Рік тому +2

      This explanation, exactly. Tony’s explanation is fine from a practical sense when understanding how to swap parts to make things work but there are a lot of inaccuracies in his explanation of how the system actually works. Once it clicks for you how it works it makes so much sense. I think of it like this and correct me if I’m wrong. Cool low pressure liquid to evaporator, which makes cool low pressure gas to the compressor which makes hot high pressure gas to the condenser which makes hot high pressure liquid to the expansion valve or orfice tube (etc) which makes cool low pressure liquid to the evaporator. That’s the whole thing in a nutshell. It’s the boiling and condensing (latent heat/phase change) that moves the heat from one place to another. Evaporator takes heat from the inside air to boil the refrigerant. Condenser sheds heat to the outside air to condense the refrigerant. Thus the system moves heat from inside to outside. So simple.

    • @shvrdavid
      @shvrdavid Рік тому +2

      @@gatesj777 You understand it better than most people.

    • @garyspaun5237
      @garyspaun5237 Рік тому

      Thank you great explanation. Is it true that it's helpful to run the A/C occasionally during off season to circulate the lubricant? I repaired my 1965 Ford A/C in 2012 and it still blows ice cold - every week or so I turn the A/C on for a few seconds hoping it helps.

    • @shvrdavid
      @shvrdavid Рік тому

      @@garyspaun5237 In most cars it runs with the defroster, so you technically use it all year anyway.

    • @danielwardley4185
      @danielwardley4185 Рік тому

      a good explanation there, I remember a course I did way back in HVAC days when the Vapour Compression Cycle and the Latent Heat Change was first explained to me, once you understand the physics behind it, the penny drops.

  • @jamespn
    @jamespn Рік тому

    Always liked the Airtemp cast iron v twin ac compressor, it ran flawlessly in my 1971 Newport for the 14 years I’ve owned it.

  • @squangan
    @squangan Рік тому +1

    I’m on the north side of 50 and I’d never fully understood the a/c system before. I’d heard the terms for things but never had a complete run through of what happens in a a/c system. I’m not to proud to admit I ‘rewound’ this video acouple times to listen to how you described some points a second time.

  • @mikemitchell7575
    @mikemitchell7575 Рік тому

    This has to be in your top 10 ...
    Maybe even top 5...you're really good at explaining how things work...in simple terms...thank you...

  • @jakeswartout4456
    @jakeswartout4456 Рік тому

    Cool to watch a guy go through this stuff without a script. Also I know you’re from Long Island. My dad raced on Long Island throughout the 70’s with a guy named Vinny Crawford. Had a 69 Camaro, Vega, 2 monzas and a late 70’s Camaro. He raced out of Brooklyn mainly but lived on out in Long Island briefly. Thanks again for the great content.

  • @jeepster1515
    @jeepster1515 Рік тому

    If you are working on an old Mopar and you find a valve inside the compressor where the low side hose attaches take it out and throw it away. It's called an Evaporator Pressure Regulator (EPR) valve and they must have been trying to outdo Ford for better ideas the day they came up with that one. It served no good purpose and did nothing except malfunction when you least need it to, like on the way to a wedding or a funeral. It was supposed to help keep the evaporator from freezing. Love your channel, Tony. It reminds me of those days in the garage when going home looking like a grease monkey and with genuine busted knuckles were everyday realities working on those old cars.

  • @shawnpeterson4038
    @shawnpeterson4038 Рік тому +1

    You remind me of my Dad. A Chrysler guy thru and thru. Owned his shop 42 years.

  • @modernpatriot8342
    @modernpatriot8342 Рік тому +2

    My favorite episode yet. Thanks for really explaining the system in detail. Keep up the great content!

  • @rickkings2071
    @rickkings2071 Рік тому +1

    I remember years ago going through an AC class and didnt remember a thing and got the certificate. Was it the class or me I dont know but probably both. I learned more in this video than that class so thank you

  • @kaitlynhelton4480
    @kaitlynhelton4480 Рік тому +1

    Great job Tony, I'm 609 certified and you lay it out easy, awesome man

  • @Buffalojoe426
    @Buffalojoe426 Рік тому +1

    I was working in the hellish under dash today. Getting closer to having working angel breath.

  • @shozdott
    @shozdott Рік тому +4

    Ty for this vid man , you're a worker . You explained this very well and helped me as I'm apartment maintenace and just learning this stuff . With the ol super heat n sub cool stuff . Piston / orfice vs Txv type and latent vs sensible measured saturation change etc

  • @davidedward6516
    @davidedward6516 Рік тому

    I'll never forget watching someone at a local garage adding a can to a system. Is it blowing cold yet he asked another guy in the car. No he said so they go for can number 2. All of a sudden it sounded like an M-80 went off under the hood. Another guy thought the battery blew up. Turns out a pressure line blew. Maybe one of you AC guys could explain what happened. After seeing that I never tried to recharge a system myself

  • @benji7001
    @benji7001 Рік тому +4

    really enjoyed the content. Love to understand how things work and Thanks for explaining in easy to understand but detailed way.

  • @killbill_1967
    @killbill_1967 Рік тому +1

    Excellent video and explanation Tony. I have recently installed Vintage Air in my 55 Chevy 2dr sedan. It was a big project but well worth the effort.

  • @3gcraftsman
    @3gcraftsman Рік тому +3

    I’m watching this video in my car, with fogged up windows, because it’s raining and my AC doesn’t work.

  • @MidnightOilsRestoration
    @MidnightOilsRestoration Рік тому +3

    Thank you Tony 🙂👏👏👏

  • @RRoto
    @RRoto Рік тому +1

    Derek ,hell of a mechanic ,and more ,Dan from DD rock on brother ,,Uncle Tony is the real Deal Holyfield and probably forgot more than most people know , imagine being able to educate just off the top of your head , CHEECHIN MINT !!!!! JUST A DOWN TO EARTH DUDE , UTG RULES !!!

  • @TonyGeneseo
    @TonyGeneseo Рік тому +3

    These kinds videos are the reason I started watching you and quickly subscribed ! Soup to nuts common sense explanations that make sense at least to people that want to fix their own stuff !

  • @raiderjohnthemadbomber8666
    @raiderjohnthemadbomber8666 Рік тому +2

    Great video Uncle Tony. This is the type of content that I came to your channel for to begin with. Thanx!

  • @MiamiZombie2012
    @MiamiZombie2012 Рік тому

    Finally got my AC working in my 94 ranger. First old car with ice cold air. Was a puzzle, last owner removed parts and I had no idea.

  • @louislepage5111
    @louislepage5111 Рік тому +3

    Learned something new today, thank you UTG 😊

  • @fastcars1173
    @fastcars1173 Рік тому +3

    An A/C system is just a heat exchanger. The pressure drop through the expansion valve turns it to a gas which makes it low pressure which makes it cooler than the ambient air. As the freon in a gas state passes through the evaporator it is removing heat (energy) from the cab by absorbing it into the freon. The reason the freons temp rises so much after being compressed is from the heat (energy) that it removed from the cab being compressed to a much smaller area, it concentrates the heat. Most of the heat coming off of the condenser is concentrated heat from inside the cab. It's removing the heat from inside and releasing it outside therefore leaving the air inside cooler. Hot air is energetic air. When using the heat you are transferring energy made from the engine through the coolant into the air in the cab.

  • @prairiestateautoresto
    @prairiestateautoresto Рік тому +4

    People think that anything that they don’t understand should be removed: evaporative emissions, a/c, etc.

  • @Mynextproject_74
    @Mynextproject_74 Рік тому

    That was great! Thanks for sharing! I had to figure it all out myself when I put 86 Dodge truck under-hood components in my 74 Duster with Factory AC. I bought it with no under-hood parts.

  • @sunshine681
    @sunshine681 Рік тому +1

    I used to drive a '67 Swinger. It came with 4/60 factory air - roll all 4 windows down and go at least 60 mph!
    Also, I remember a convertible Swinger was made; I wonder how many were made and how popular they were?

  • @davidburgess9002
    @davidburgess9002 11 місяців тому

    Good info. I had some rental properties in Georgia and all had heat pumps so to save money I took a HVAC course and watched a few UA-cam videos which allowed me to successfully install and maintain the systems. I live in the Philippines now and brought all my HVAC tools and vacuum pump since I had to install 4 mini splits on the house we had built. The Filipino installers don't use vacuum pumps. I bought a 2002 Suzuki Carry mini truck that has a 660 cc 3 cylinder engine. The A/C lost the charge a few days after I bought it. There was an o-ring leaking so I replaced all o-rings pulled a good vacuum and recharged with R134a and it is ice cold in the tiny cab. I also added an ounce of oil for good measure. It is cool because the condenser isn't in front of the radiator, it is beside the radiator and both have electric fans.

  • @481brighton
    @481brighton Рік тому +1

    I love your videos Tony. Always explained very well. Keep them coming.

  • @gadget73
    @gadget73 Рік тому +3

    the other reason to not just charge it, if its empty now, it went somewhere. New refrigerant is just going to go away again if the leak isn't fixed. Most of these old systems leak at least a bit but after decades the O rings and gaskets are usually shot and need to be replaced.

  • @hunnybunnysheavymetalmusic6542

    I often thought about taking one of those V-2's and making a tiny motor out of it.
    Just never got around to it.
    It would be cool though.

    • @hunnybunnysheavymetalmusic6542
      @hunnybunnysheavymetalmusic6542 Рік тому

      @@mr.gutwrenchTo be a 2 stroke compressor is not the same as being a 2 stroke combustion engine.
      I would just gear a cam to it [dual overhead cams] and then decide if I wanted to make it a 2 stroke or not.
      It would be possible with a roots blower to make it a 2 stroke, but without positive air displacement you can't make a 2 stroke, and you can't use its block as a displacer port because it has 2 offset pistons into one chamber.
      Also the compression ratio would undeniably change because you need room for the valves on top.
      There's little chance it would even be 12:1 by the time you put a set of heads on it unless you domed the piston and made it a HEMI.
      I would go for diesel, except that diesel engines lose a lot of their efficiency when you drop their burn time using such a short travel and high rotational speed.
      I'd probably run it on a mix of methanol and nitromethane.

  • @74charger44
    @74charger44 Рік тому +1

    Thanks. This is the one I was waiting for.

  • @bw3506
    @bw3506 Рік тому +1

    Pretty good explanation with the exception of you aren't compressing liquid as that's not feasible and the condenser is converting that gas into liquid there. But I'm sure you helped some people understand better. 👍

  • @randymack2222
    @randymack2222 Рік тому

    Learned the lesson about the compressor oil the hard way!
    Bought a "134A conversion kit" and installed it myself...
    The pump locked up solid, ate the serpentine belt, that spun the alternator, that blew out the digital dash!
    After that I took it to a air conditioner "expert"...

  • @joshuadille5005
    @joshuadille5005 Рік тому +1

    HOLY SHIT !! Lmbo i do hvac by trade ben doing it for 25+ years. Hahah you know what you’re talking about . Haha im a chiller plant engineer now but that’s a good explanation you did there.

  • @blau325
    @blau325 Рік тому +2

    In R 134 the site glass will have bubbles in an R 12 conversion.

  • @RockymountainRobert
    @RockymountainRobert Рік тому

    I like this car, 👌 I rember when Tony painted it, and dropped the 360 in it, it was built as the basic "daily driver" .

  • @doctorwingnutmd2699
    @doctorwingnutmd2699 Рік тому +1

    Great job uncle Tony. Well explained.

  • @100amps
    @100amps Рік тому +1

    Great video. Exactly what I needed. Greatly appreciated. My desiccant is probably also decadent.

  • @johnkennedy8693
    @johnkennedy8693 Рік тому

    Thank you Tony.

  • @3rdpig
    @3rdpig Рік тому +3

    Good video, Tony! If you take an older car to a shop that specializes in A/C work, and there's a ton of them here in Arizona, any decent tech is going to place the system under vacuum and see if it holds that vacuum. If it doesn't, they're going to let you know that the system will leak and give you a price, probably a hefty one, for diagnosis and repair. Some won't even fill the system if it's leaking. Also, many cans of refrigerant you buy now has oil in it and there are retrofit kits to go from R12 to R134 without replacing lots of parts. They work, I've used them more than once. Buy the can with the gauge on it and fill it yourself. Sure, it may not work as good as it could, and it may leak down in a few months or a few years, but it didn't cost you a couple of grand to get it to blow cold either.

    • @kart70
      @kart70 Рік тому +4

      I'd still recommend getting a two gauge manifold as they can tell you a whole lot more about the system than those single gauge fillers can.

    • @marshmower
      @marshmower Рік тому +1

      And purge the lines before you pop em down.

  • @robertspence831
    @robertspence831 Рік тому

    Some good tech in this one. I've always thrown that crap in the shed and gone my merry way but it might be time to re-consider.

  • @FrankF-vp4pt
    @FrankF-vp4pt Рік тому

    Very educational Uncle Tony. Thank you!!

  • @MVPisME383
    @MVPisME383 Рік тому +1

    Your right I can build a small block Chevy blindfolded but I'm lost with an ac system

  • @fireballxl-5748
    @fireballxl-5748 Рік тому

    Very well explained UT. Thank you.

  • @olikat8
    @olikat8 Рік тому

    I am retrofitting AC into my Valiant using the controls & box from a '75. The compressor is a later Sanden, brackets & pulleys. from a later LA. Got a new condensor, evaporator, box parts, dryer, lines & all from Auto Air Solutions.
    People might say, "I'd never add AC; adds weight, complexity, isn't original..." but I live in the South and would like to drive my cars whenever, the added weight can be offset by lightening things up, moving the battery to the trunk, et cetera, and not to mention I don't own "Museum pieces"

  • @ratt727
    @ratt727 Рік тому

    Great tech session again!

  • @Vibrolas
    @Vibrolas Рік тому

    Dude, your videos are essential. This one may land me into a cool ride with my Olds:)

  • @southjerseyjim5049
    @southjerseyjim5049 Рік тому +1

    Excellent presentation UT! Can those old compressors be overhauled if totally shot? If so, how ‘bout a vid covering that topic, and one explaining what it takes to convert this things to accept today’s refrigerants?

  • @randyman828
    @randyman828 Рік тому +1

    Nice job Tony.

  • @jerryfarmer5989
    @jerryfarmer5989 Рік тому

    Something the old mopars had that all of folks did not know is they have a cycling switch in the dark abyss of the under dash compaction. Also them mopar clutches bite the dust it seems. Also a tid bit the large A/C line is a 3/4" tube. However to have new lines made with barrier hose the fitting is a 5/8" so no big deal, just make the cut.

  • @joernone
    @joernone Рік тому

    Outstanding!!!

  • @Mr.Saltwater
    @Mr.Saltwater Рік тому

    Cool . Hold the system under vacuum overnight and that drier is good as new. All the moisture is gone. Used to use an electric vacuum pump and just left it plugged in overnight.

  • @XGamesJ6
    @XGamesJ6 Рік тому

    "Freon" is a trademark for a group of refrigerants. The Freon brand name covers R-12, R-22 and several other refrigerants. Anything used in an AC system is a refrigerant. Used in a spray can it's a propellant.

  • @four-eight-zero5627
    @four-eight-zero5627 Рік тому +1

    The orifice tube on my 93 GM pickup is located right at the outlet of the condenser. I thought that was a strange design.
    Perhaps it doesn't matter whether you have high pressure refrigerant or low pressure, cold refrigerant running back to the firewall.. it's going to absorb engine compartment heat all the same.

  • @OllamhDrab
    @OllamhDrab Рік тому +2

    Hee, it's nice to see you go through the quirks of AC that age. In cars that old it just wasn't a common option people went for back in Boston, and us kids would just rip it out if it didn't work, or sometimes if it did, cause it was sucking power and adding a lot of weight. :) (I think if I did really want an AC in something that old, I suppose I'd spring for one of those modern aftermarket systems that are smaller and simpler and less of a parasitic loss.)
    I never actually *fixed* an AC system till I came down here. (And I actually simply took it all out of my Volvo cause my blistering 115 horsepower just calls for more lightness anyway. :) )

  • @charlesgall7829
    @charlesgall7829 Рік тому +1

    Nice job!

  • @raycecil4643
    @raycecil4643 Рік тому

    Im not sure about all makes/models. But my 1980-1991 ford trucks I love tinkering with, they don't have a heater control valve. I always install a manual valve to cut off that extra heat around the evap core.

  • @demogadget
    @demogadget Рік тому +1

    When younger I wouldnt consider buy mopars with AC. If I saw that big thing on the front of the engine and was afraid of it :P. Little that I know it was just a compressor.
    Greetings from Holland

  • @WizardOfWhoopee
    @WizardOfWhoopee Рік тому +1

    Strange, the other Mopar guy did an A-body A/C video earlier the same day as this one.

  • @jefferysmith3930
    @jefferysmith3930 Рік тому

    Great explanation. I have a general knowledge of the components but not necessarily how they worked together

  • @daviddaniels9208
    @daviddaniels9208 Рік тому

    Classic Auto Air is a good source for old system components

  • @terrystewart2070
    @terrystewart2070 Рік тому +1

    Hey Unc that was informative, thank you! Now how about a repair the Duster AC system video?

  • @kurtbrueske
    @kurtbrueske Рік тому +1

    Good stuff Uncle Tony…I need some of that decadent desiccant 😊

  • @kevinmcguire3715
    @kevinmcguire3715 Рік тому

    I have a stock RV2 on my early 80 D150. The later ones seem to have Sankyos which are much lighter. I have to use my cherry picker to pick up and install that late 50's design RV2 because at 70 it kills my lower back for days. Works great but even with aluminum heads it's a heavy mother!

  • @Pegleg302
    @Pegleg302 Рік тому +1

    Evaporator replacement PTSD is a real thing. Great vid UTG

    • @haywoodyoudome
      @haywoodyoudome Рік тому +1

      Blown head gasket - no problem
      Blown rear main seal - easy
      Needs a new evaporator - time to put it up for sale

    • @richardcranium5839
      @richardcranium5839 Рік тому +2

      @@haywoodyoudome depends on the vehicle. some cars you could take the whole dash out in 7 bolts abd a few wire connectors. most gm evaps come out from under the hood.

    • @Pegleg302
      @Pegleg302 Рік тому

      @@richardcranium5839 mid to late 80s Mitsubishi Starion, late 80s Tbird and Cat and John deere heavy equipment. Being a contortionist is an asset.

  • @majorpayne5289
    @majorpayne5289 Рік тому

    Good stuff UT

  • @1cargaragenyc
    @1cargaragenyc Рік тому +1

    I hope you include the AC repairs that will be done as content. I've heard most common leak on Mopars is the compressor seal, I would love a seal repair video.

    • @pbsocal1
      @pbsocal1 Рік тому +1

      The crankcase seal is lubricated by the oil in the compressor/system. Turning your A/C on for a few minutes every time you turn on your engine will lubricate these seals. Once the seal dries out it gets brittle and shrinks up and you lose the refrigerant.

  • @GTMarmot
    @GTMarmot Рік тому

    Very clear

  • @jimmyraythomason1
    @jimmyraythomason1 Рік тому +3

    The CCOT (cycling clutch orifice tube) turns the compressor off when the pressure in the accumulator tank drops below the rated pressure of the clutch cycling switch mounted on the accumulator. Thereby regulating the temperature. It is important to know the relationship between temperature and pressure of refrigerant (there is NO MORE Freon). The best part of your advice (and this is coming from a die hard DIYer) is to have a trained HVAC tech do it for you.

    • @kevinmcguire3715
      @kevinmcguire3715 Рік тому

      You can get a variable orifiace tube that really improves these systems . I bought one a NAPA. The Arizona Highway patrol was hard on compressors in their hot climate and this helped a lot and improved the cooling