The REAL Reason Why Russell's Car Was Underweight in Belgium

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  • George Russell was disqualified from this weekend's Belgian Grand Prix and theories are emerged as to why his Mercedes F1 car was underweight.
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  • @typebflieger
    @typebflieger Місяць тому +30

    How do people keep thinking this was due to fuel burn? The FIA measure the weight of the cars with fuel removed to determine the dry weight of the cars after the race.
    “The mass of the car, without fuel, must not be less than 798 kg, at all times during the competition.”

    • @littlepippin8445
      @littlepippin8445 Місяць тому

      why not 800.

    • @Hungary_0987
      @Hungary_0987 Місяць тому

      ​@@littlepippin8445CUZ REASONS

    • @miceinoz1181
      @miceinoz1181 Місяць тому

      Yes, that is right. The fuel qty is not a weight issue as long as there is a sufficient quantity left in the tank for sampling.

  • @mnet643
    @mnet643 Місяць тому +18

    Mercedes knew the car was under weight which they tried to hide by not removing all the fuel and then got caught. No excuse.

    • @randomguyontheinterweb
      @randomguyontheinterweb Місяць тому

      That much weight is worth 2.5 seconds over a race period. They'd risk being DQ'd for 2 seconds over 44 laps 🤦‍♂️

    • @Old-Bald-and-Grumpy
      @Old-Bald-and-Grumpy Місяць тому

      @@randomguyontheinterweb But the car was not underweight throughout whole race, just last teen laps....

  • @Bingplicit
    @Bingplicit Місяць тому +26

    I'm sorry, maybe I missed it. What is the "real" reason?
    I find it offensive when people Poise or Pose to know things but instead just spew a bunch of garbage.
    Apart from the misleading title, folks are in here talking about fuel, lifting and coasting, when fuel use or lack thereof has nothing to do with weight (See FIA document 42) and even! Hamilton is to blame too because he was at one point or another in Russell's slip stream! Like, Really? OMG!
    Ignorance is bliss Boii I tell ya.
    At least one person correctly pointed out that Alonso also pitted once.

    • @thodkinson84
      @thodkinson84 Місяць тому +3

      Agreed. Clickbaity title when all he has is speculation. He doesn’t know the real reason

  • @aditya10720
    @aditya10720 Місяць тому +14

    Looks like russel whispered wrong to his tyres

  • @sphereboy
    @sphereboy Місяць тому +23

    alonso did a one stop; no penalty

    • @walkertorque
      @walkertorque Місяць тому +1

      Not all cars are weighed.

    • @olinaguasalvarado3225
      @olinaguasalvarado3225 Місяць тому +11

      ​@@walkertorqueevery single car is weighted

    • @walkertorque
      @walkertorque Місяць тому +1

      @@olinaguasalvarado3225 Normally, 2 or 3 cars are checked after the race - often the winner plus 1 or 2 others at random. If all of them fail the same checks, then all the other cars could be checked, but generally the FIA does not have the time or manpower to check all the cars in a reasonable amount of time after the race.

    • @reesbritton6623
      @reesbritton6623 Місяць тому +2

      His car wasn’t checked… duh!

    • @reesbritton6623
      @reesbritton6623 Місяць тому +2

      @@olinaguasalvarado3225not every car gets checked after the race… duh!

  • @TarmacMagic
    @TarmacMagic Місяць тому +4

    I can easily see the reason being tire weight. I tested (just a month ago) weight of a new 200TW passenger car tire vs the used i was replacing. The new tire was 11kg. The used was 9kg. And this is a passenger car with tires half the size of F1...

  • @verstappa
    @verstappa Місяць тому +18

    Don't tyres also lose weight if you do only 1 stop and drive many laps with them?

    • @rickeyharris178
      @rickeyharris178 Місяць тому +1

      They lost weight in the tires

    • @baliktad8
      @baliktad8 Місяць тому

      Yes

    • @chrism5433
      @chrism5433 Місяць тому +1

      1.5 kg is alot of weight from tire wear ?? Probably several faults here?

    • @verstappa
      @verstappa Місяць тому

      @@chrism5433 partly tire wear

    • @tharushavihaga9712
      @tharushavihaga9712 Місяць тому

      @@rickeyharris178 what about the other one stoppers they got no problem

  • @des2892
    @des2892 Місяць тому +10

    Imagine toto wolf now learning

    • @xGORJAx
      @xGORJAx Місяць тому +5

      Imagine thinking Toto is the only person in mercedes...

  • @roblufc9715
    @roblufc9715 Місяць тому +4

    personally i don't think that you would be able to pick up 1.5kg in tyre pick up on the cool down lap...i think 1.5kg is a bit high to be able to pick up on a cool down lap

    • @MarkoVukovic0
      @MarkoVukovic0 Місяць тому

      I dunno, that's 375g per wheel. If an average marble weighs 5g, that's just 80 per wheel needed.

  • @jonathanjones3527
    @jonathanjones3527 Місяць тому +4

    They took the wheels off and weighed them separately, probably to compare with 20 lap old tyre, maybe.

  • @jamesthompson3881
    @jamesthompson3881 Місяць тому +41

    How come the others were not underweight when all were driving under same conditions and regulations?

    • @brulsmurf
      @brulsmurf Місяць тому +5

      His tires had no rubber on it at the end because he only did 1 pit stops. Making it too light at the finish.

    • @trimerista
      @trimerista Місяць тому +4

      what if some part flew away from the car because of damage?

    • @walkertorque
      @walkertorque Місяць тому +2

      @@brulsmurf 1 stop

    • @brulsmurf
      @brulsmurf Місяць тому +4

      @@trimerista Good question. I don't think a f1 car could finish in the points without all it's parts. But if it did, it would get a DQ for being underweight. Otherwise they could just put heavy useless parts on the car and drop them off during the race.

    • @steveerekpaine2832
      @steveerekpaine2832 Місяць тому +12

      @@brulsmurf Alonso and Yuk did one stoppers as well but I not sure if their cars were underweight

  • @nfpnone8248
    @nfpnone8248 Місяць тому +2

    The problem was that they did practice mostly on intermediate tires, so they could not get data for tire degradation on the hard tires, so they didn’t account for the tire degradation that they would experience on a one stop strategy where Russell ran those tires for 38 laps. But by the time they were able to make an estimate for tire wear, Russell was already committed to the strategy, so they decided to take the risk, because if Russell has pitted it would have dropped him to 7th, and yes, they knew already, that’s why they only removed the required amount of fuel and tried to slip past with the additional fuel left in the car to make the weight, but they got caught, they were made to remove that additional fuel and their car was under weight. They just made the weight on the number with the additional fuel, that’s why they didn’t even make a fuss when they were caught, it probably would have been worse for them if they were accused of cheating!

  • @rotteneggconcept
    @rotteneggconcept Місяць тому +14

    Nonsense, Tyre Deg can't make you 1.5kg underweight, He was able to "Whisper" 1.5kg less to the Tyres the Entire Race. basically racing the car 1.5kg underweight the entire race

    • @reesbritton6623
      @reesbritton6623 Місяць тому

      And you know this how exactly?!? Show us the proof!

    • @robertlinge3200
      @robertlinge3200 Місяць тому +1

      Divide 1.5kg by 4 thats all the tyres had to pick up

    • @paradoxworkshop4659
      @paradoxworkshop4659 Місяць тому +5

      They weighed the tyres independently to rule that out.

    • @NWA_1919
      @NWA_1919 Місяць тому +1

      Tyre deg is part of it. But definitely not 1.5kg. Maybe half of it is the extra tyre deg he had, but that would still be 0.75kg underweight. So even with the 2 stop strategy, he would very likely have been disqualified.

    • @mandelmpofu2605
      @mandelmpofu2605 Місяць тому +6

      We have seen cars with blown up tyres on the last lap but still pass the weight
      This theory of tyres wear is (bs)

  • @DavidJohnson-dc8lu
    @DavidJohnson-dc8lu Місяць тому +7

    If anyone was actually paying attention to the race, Lewis did lots of lifting and costing before the first pit stops to save fuel, because there would have been a calculation for a Safety car, but there wasn't one. Lewis's might have been in the position to lift and coast when he did as he was upfront without real pressure from Leclerc.
    Fuel is also saved going into the pits and out the pits during the pitstop, as they are going that might slower. Russell's car was also weighed without the tyres on, still he was underweight, suggesting it had nothing to do with the tyres.
    My personally beliefs are, Russell's engine was and have to have been turned up to keep a charging Hamilton at bay. Mercedes risked it all for Russell to beat Lewis, when they should have been using Lewis to tow Russell to get a 1-2 finish, it was that simple. Scandalous team.

    • @paulfillingham4778
      @paulfillingham4778 Місяць тому +2

      They take the remaining fuel out of the car before they weigh it

    • @baliktad8
      @baliktad8 Місяць тому +1

      Spot on about the engine. Lewis was 6ths to 8ths faster than George, but with 2 laps to he can’t pass George.

    • @benward1347
      @benward1347 Місяць тому

      @@baliktad8”clean air is king”

  • @hamiltonburnham7979
    @hamiltonburnham7979 Місяць тому +2

    It is not rocket science... the tyres were worn down beyond what was calculated for a 2 stop strategy.

  • @russ99a
    @russ99a Місяць тому +2

    Also Mercedes took their car apart removing the upgraded parts after Friday and going back to the parts from Hungoring and last year’s back wing.

  • @MandanaVaughan
    @MandanaVaughan Місяць тому

    First, Alonso did the one stop and wasn't underweight. Second, the one stop strategy was discarded in the am strategy meeting presumably because if the weight issue. To now suddenly suggest George lost too much weight and the tyres lost too much is ridiculous. They wouldn't have tried to fool the FIA if they hadn't messed up! They knew at the end of the race George had taken too much out of the tyres! No question! They just didn't have the balls to say NO to Russell!🤨Serves them right!

  • @stormforce7599
    @stormforce7599 Місяць тому +1

    Mercedes are a top formula one team and they are fully aware of the rules in this sport.
    These teams don't make this sort of mistakes as they are fully aware of the penalties.
    Currently Mercedes need to assist Russell as much as possible due to the departure of Lewis but Toto made it public that he wants Max therefore Russell is not what they want as their team leader.

  • @FernasRPG
    @FernasRPG Місяць тому +13

    Tyres dreg probably helped, but 1.5kgs is a bit too much, this sounds more like an excuse. In my opinion the real reason is: he was starting in 7th and even the team didnt think he would finish on tge podium, so the odds of winning were near zero. Mclaren and Red Bull were faster and SPA is expected to be an easy track to overtake.
    But what we saw in the race was nothing like the usual. Despite the impressive speed of Mclaren and Verstappen, Norris made several mistakes and Piastri took several laps to overtake Leclerc. Max barely overtake anyone, needing Perez to get out of the way. So track position mattered and therefore a one stop is better strat.
    GR ended up way above the expected and he won the race, which made FIA analyse his car....
    Funny how in the end Toto was sad. Sure, they screw up LH race, but he had a 1-2! It was like Mclaren in Hungary, everyone frustrated, despite a 1-2. In my opinion they knew GR wouldnt have it.
    But if you state you were cheating on purpose, you get screwed, so you blame it on the tyres deg. His pace was good at the end, if he had lost 2kgs in tyres, he wouldnt have finished first.

    • @Bokkie100k
      @Bokkie100k Місяць тому

      1.5 kgs of tyre wear is very feasable. That's only 375 grams per tyre

    • @FernasRPG
      @FernasRPG Місяць тому

      @@Bokkie100k I think is possible, but not likely. He had a lot of pace in his tyres at the end. But we will never know because they wont weight only his tyres and compare to someone that did 2 stops.

    • @bwmanarific
      @bwmanarific Місяць тому

      I watched the race live, this weight difference made no difference in the racing. Even if GR was a bit heavier he wouldve finished first it was a great drive from him and really consistent. LH actually made mistakes and that's why he didn't end up passing also was very hard to pass, great racing between the two

    • @FernasRPG
      @FernasRPG Місяць тому

      @@bwmanarific I rewatched. Less weight more straight line speed and less tyre dreg and also 2.5 sec in race time. It did made a difference. He would probably finish at third if he was heavier

    • @bwmanarific
      @bwmanarific Місяць тому

      @@FernasRPG brother its 1.5kg it didn't make a difference on that race.
      I'll put it this way LH couldn't pass GR on track and that's why GR won because he could never make the move up eua rouge and was lapping GR more than 1 second faster in clean air. If LH had passed early maybe he wouldve won with 5 seconds to the field. To say LH couldnt pass GR cause of 1.5kg is wrong...
      You can analyze in a lab and say yeah GR benefitted two seconds over a race distance but that's theoretical I'm saying in reality LH lost that race on his own and that GR won it with skill in the last part.

  • @mcmotors100
    @mcmotors100 Місяць тому +1

    Do all the cars get scrutinised? Maybe Mercedes never thought for one minute that Russell would finish in the top three?

  • @Kualinar
    @Kualinar Місяць тому

    Tire wear to explain why Russell's car was underweight ? That's very plausible. That mean the tires being 375g lighter, on average, each. That's not a lot.

  • @lynnebarkas6906
    @lynnebarkas6906 Місяць тому +1

    In the final laps of the race it was noticeable that Russell was pulling away from Hamilton out of corners. Why? Would 1.5 kg make that difference? Different gear ratios?

  • @oliver4260
    @oliver4260 Місяць тому +2

    Where is the real reason?change the title if u have no idea

  • @KHRacing
    @KHRacing Місяць тому +4

    Mate I thought they didn’t measure the car with the tires on? 💀 😂 I might be wrong

    • @TheChazas
      @TheChazas Місяць тому +1

      That is why drivers usually pick up "marbles" on the cool down lap, but since Spa is such a long lap, they don't do it.

    • @acidbunny999
      @acidbunny999 Місяць тому

      Nah 798kg is with tires but without fuel.

    • @marcuscoquer5958
      @marcuscoquer5958 Місяць тому +2

      They really shouldn't include tyre weight. Picking up marbles should not be a strategy to be within weight and one stops should be possible without risking dq.

  • @roberthuntley1090
    @roberthuntley1090 Місяць тому

    One thing I noticed is that it looked like his car almost entered what appeared to be the pit lane after crossing the line, and motored to the winner's parking spot. If so, the cars were denied the usual cooling off lap in which they try to collect 'marbles' on their tyres.

  • @neilstephen2282
    @neilstephen2282 Місяць тому

    It looked to me like Russell made the strategy call to try and onestop the race. Tyre wear would easily account for the 1.5 kilograms. Kudos to Russell, he has consistently out performed Hamilton but has not had luck on his side. His talent will eventually win out.

  • @joan3347
    @joan3347 Місяць тому +8

    I wonder how many times this mistake has happened in the past?

    • @steveerekpaine2832
      @steveerekpaine2832 Місяць тому +2

      This is obviously speculation but Mercedes may have deliberately made GR's car underweight to give him an advantage and gain some positions. They just couldn't help but take full advantage when they decided to commit to the one -stopper and GR won the race. If he had come 5 or 6th his car may not have been weighed and he wouldn't have been DSQ.

    • @georgthesecond
      @georgthesecond Місяць тому

      @@steveerekpaine2832 aren't cars picked for the weighing procedure randomly?

    • @steveerekpaine2832
      @steveerekpaine2832 Місяць тому +1

      @@georgthesecond I assumed the winning car is always weighed but I think you're correct.

    • @georgthesecond
      @georgthesecond Місяць тому +1

      @@steveerekpaine2832 some people in the comments say it's the winning car plus a couple random ones. I personally don't remember.

    • @chiefdenis
      @chiefdenis Місяць тому +3

      ​@@georgthesecondAll cars get weighed, then some cars are selected randomly for other tests.

  • @user-is7mk8jq9p
    @user-is7mk8jq9p Місяць тому

    I always thought that if he stayed out on the tyres, they would wear further and weigh less. Without picking up the rubber as pointed out here, could be ?

  • @jaygee850
    @jaygee850 Місяць тому +1

    It wasn't controversial and nobody on Russel's side of the garage was shocked....

  • @stephenwood9703
    @stephenwood9703 Місяць тому +1

    The second weighing was done with a new set of tyres so collecting extra rubber is not a factor, fuel burn is also not a factor since they removed over two litres of fuel prior to weighing the car.
    I suspect they actually tried to use a lighter battery pack ( new tech batteries are available) and the reason MB said no contest is they didn't want awkward questions being asked, but whatever the did try someone underhand with Russell's car which is why the wanted him to box, by they didn't have the stones to TELL Russell to box, which had he boxed would have probably kept him away from winning but would likely have meant he did score points.
    Also, why the point for this video?, you did really add anything new and while implying there were conspiracy theories did really address those either at best yo mentioned them and moved on I watched this post expecting details which you didn't provide, I now know to avoid your posts

  • @markdpla7791
    @markdpla7791 Місяць тому

    Merc team was using CrowdStrike software to calculate vehicle mass. And team used Imperial units instead of metric for British drivers.

  • @user-go8km4ob7s
    @user-go8km4ob7s Місяць тому

    Tyre wear, I would guess. He would have burned a lot more rubber on 4 big tyres, easily accounting for the weight difference

  • @Kevin-fd7tu
    @Kevin-fd7tu Місяць тому +1

    bro didn't fuel save in the last laps to try and win the GP.

  • @brucemackenzie4952
    @brucemackenzie4952 Місяць тому

    Nothing to do with the weight. They couldn’t pull the legal amount of gasoline out of tank.

  • @L0n3W0lfBl4ck
    @L0n3W0lfBl4ck Місяць тому

    It was not tire wear that the car was under weight. However the car being lighter would explain why he was able to make the tires last so long.

  • @searcaig
    @searcaig Місяць тому

    Perhaps in order to avoid this in the future and allow a one stop strategy they should weigh the car before and after without the wheels fitted.
    Fuel diminishes as the car progresses through the race and obviously rubber on the tyres reduces too, this should be taken into consideration!

  • @giuseppe4909
    @giuseppe4909 Місяць тому

    Tires ? …what are you people smoking ? They changed parts on the car before the race and failed to check total dry weight, hence the car was lighter than spec required. ( or knew it was and went anyway not thinking they would end up on the podium and getting checked )

  • @kennybyers909
    @kennybyers909 Місяць тому

    The more I have watched F1 in the last few years the more I feel things are strange (for the use of a better word).

  • @v.darglore2230
    @v.darglore2230 Місяць тому

    Considering the title of your video I was expecting to hear the REAL reason of Russells car being underweight...
    Did I miss anything, since I only heard a couple of possible explanations and theories?

  • @ayrtonsenna1020
    @ayrtonsenna1020 Місяць тому +1

    Russel clearly had to have something different on his car than Lewis ... the other drivers also had worn tires, not as much as him, but they also drove a lot of laps on them ... and 1.5 kg? ???? no no, mercedes don't convince me!!!!!

  • @Mexxx65
    @Mexxx65 Місяць тому +1

    You said it (but typically didn't listen even to yourself)...
    The Mercedes team were NOT to blame for Russells Disqualification. The pr-race strategy Mercedes had for Russell would not have had his car underweight. Russell wouldn't have been in 1st position though.
    Russell is totally to blame for his race win being stripped from him. He was the one to chose to not stop twice.......Not a very good "experienced" head to taking along to the 2025 season with Antonelli is it.

    • @Mexxx65
      @Mexxx65 Місяць тому

      @@eckie4679 Yes. he is an experienced F1 racer now.

  • @hecklepig
    @hecklepig Місяць тому

    It's what I assumed, running twice as long as anyone else on that tyre means they'd be worn down a lot more than normal. Whether there is that much weight loss on the tyres, who knows. Could just be a combination of smaller things that accumulated to the weight loss. Not the first time these things have happened and it won't be the last.

  • @kerrsteel2
    @kerrsteel2 Місяць тому

    Now we know why they are so fast after 3 years of nothing.

  • @chrisevans1731
    @chrisevans1731 Місяць тому

    In the post active ride height era the drivers were encouraged to drive on the dirty areas of the track to pick up the "marbles" on their hot/sticky tyres. This not only helped with the weight but also the ride height. Because of the length of the lap at Spa there was no victory lap or warm down lap so this was not a factor. In the old days there was pre-race scrutineering.....does this not happen any longer? Surely a pre-race inspection would have determined if the car was "legal" or not and therefore determined if there was any intentional cheating going on?
    If the weight issue was down to tyre wear from the one stop strategy and the lack of marble pick up then surely the ride height would have suffered also?
    I dont hold with any of the conspiracy theories but Toto Wolff is as shifty as they come as is Bonnington. I would just ask one further question: why when we have episodes of the nature do the beneficiaries seem to be Hamilton and Mercedes?

  • @PamelaContiGlass
    @PamelaContiGlass Місяць тому

    Do we know what kind of advantage a 1.5Kg lighter car could have given Russel?
    A commentator threw up a few numbers based on average data, but then gave up.
    We know that a lighter car, especially at SPA, may give an advantage. Less weight on the tyres, less weight to accelerate and less weight to slow down.
    At the end of the race, it has to make some kind of difference. Maybe not enough to make a difference in position, but do we know that for sure?
    Could it be his tyres lasted longer due to the lesser weight?
    These guys chase thousands of a second, make his car a bit lighter and there could be significant difference at the end of the race.
    For instance, we know that 1Km more exit speed turns into several Km more on the following straight.
    I would like to see some number crunching on Russel car.

  • @Jonnythebaker
    @Jonnythebaker Місяць тому

    The car was light at the start of the race. The car does not lose weight circulating the track, to carry just one kilo less than permitted for nearly 200 miles means less fuel required, less tyre wear,, less cornering forces and a higher base speed chech BSCC handicap methods where weight is added to a car to penalize its performance.

  • @tony_fff9273
    @tony_fff9273 Місяць тому

    I think Russell did a good job. Deserves the win whoever cheating isn't the way to do it... surely not Russel's fault, good driving. It was a very entertaining race. Loved it

  • @rubbermoetroken
    @rubbermoetroken Місяць тому

    Plank wear + tires. Mercedeses were extremely hard on their planks the first laps leaving puffs of black smoke and yellow stripes of 100's metres long through the compression before eau rouge.

  • @Kevbap
    @Kevbap Місяць тому

    What fluid was coming out of the Mercedes car when it went out to the grid line up? Could this loss of fluid account for the 1.5 kg?

  • @nqumthemba
    @nqumthemba Місяць тому

    Thats why he is doing so well against Lewis in Qualy against Lewis.

  • @Car-guy307
    @Car-guy307 Місяць тому +1

    Would saving fuel with lift and coast saved George from disqualification?

    • @fintonmainz7845
      @fintonmainz7845 Місяць тому +1

      No because it was still underweight dry

  • @PatrickHenryLibertyorDeath
    @PatrickHenryLibertyorDeath Місяць тому

    You should consider making this look like a real broadcast. You have 14k views.

  • @michaelmortimer5588
    @michaelmortimer5588 Місяць тому

    Personally I think Russell should appeal the decision. It's clear that the loss of weight is down to the tyres degradation and the unfortunate chance of picking up marbles on the shortened run down lap. It's unlikely that an appeal will be accepted, but it is Mercedes and they have been known to successfully apply pressure to the FIA in the past and make them change their mind.

    • @MiserableRacer
      @MiserableRacer Місяць тому

      You make no sense. Spa has not lap post race..its been that way for years.
      Team factor that it. Mercs messed up. Accept it and move on. They have

    • @michaelmortimer5588
      @michaelmortimer5588 Місяць тому

      @MiserableRacer I know Spa has no run down lap. It's been like this for years. I've been there.The cars are pulled in after they drive around La Source. As I said, they should appeal, nothing ventured nothing gained.

  • @ze_german2921
    @ze_german2921 Місяць тому

    He probably left 1-1/2lbs worth of rubber on the tarmac. Everyone had 2 pit stops, he had only one

  • @ralphe5842
    @ralphe5842 Місяць тому

    Yea they couldn’t put the heavy rims on for the last stent

  • @richarddornford
    @richarddornford Місяць тому

    The tire wear should be tested by Perrilli for the weight differences..The FIA shows bias in preference for Hamilton.Total BS.

  • @yp5387
    @yp5387 Місяць тому

    They knew from the beginning. George was happy when he crossed the line, Toto wasn't 😂

  • @oliver4260
    @oliver4260 Місяць тому

    Look Pirelli advised before the race that the 2 stop was the winner, so that’s not an excuse it’s already factored in.
    How did other cars pass so the pebble theory is not on.
    What else?

  • @estwern
    @estwern Місяць тому

    So basically you just read some articles that doesn’t tell us anything REAL about the incident. Congratulations, with this approach you’ll get a lot of followers! But how many times this trick will work?

  • @eionrowe4625
    @eionrowe4625 Місяць тому

    Why did LH come in on the limit?
    Sounds like GR was complicit with cheating?

  • @peterthomas5792
    @peterthomas5792 Місяць тому

    I reckon they hadn't allowed for Russell having to baby his tyres and therefore accidentally saving fuel.

  • @Ian-lx1iz
    @Ian-lx1iz Місяць тому +3

    Hamilton stole the _Fluffy Dice_ and _Nodding Dog_ out of Russell's car at the start of the race, making his rival's car underweight.

  • @markdpla7791
    @markdpla7791 Місяць тому

    To FIA -- weigh the cars BEFORE the race, not after. Problem solved.

  • @familyreurts4978
    @familyreurts4978 Місяць тому

    If you need marbles to make the weight you are racing underweight. Thats in breach of the rules. The car was weighed twice, once with race tyres and once with new tyres, the car failed twice, so the tyre argument fall flat.
    Hamiltons car was not tested so its u know whether it made the weight.

  • @iweekes8088
    @iweekes8088 Місяць тому +1

    Lol:) I call bull because FIA had put on a set of new tires and the car was still under weight!!!

  • @sandeshtg3289
    @sandeshtg3289 Місяць тому +1

    Yes.. the threaded tyre loses about 180 to 200 gram's each and also when you pick up the tyre marbles.. that adds to around 100 GM's per tyre..

  • @gregrowe1168
    @gregrowe1168 Місяць тому

    I'm guessing Russell's car had some lighter parts on it or perhaps even missing parts. It's possible of course not taking the cool down lap and picking up rubber made a difference but the team obviously knows that this is one track where you don't do that Also, since the weight is without fuel I wonder why some teams don't try to put less fuel in the car. The amount carried is much more than needed to complete the race. Putting in a few less liters would make a big difference in performance. I assume that even though the car is weighed without fuel, F1 still measures the amount of fuel left in the car. If it looks like a much smaller amount than expected, then they will know the team purposely put less fuel in the car. Back in the days of refueling, teams could put whatever amount they wanted in the car at any given time. Some teams would opt for a heavy fuel load to do less pit stops but the penalty would be a slower car. I remember Schumacher doing a 4 stop race in which everyone else was doing 2 or 3. Keeping the fuel load lighter made a huge difference in lap times, enough to offset the time for the extra stop.

  • @pitbroox432
    @pitbroox432 Місяць тому

    Reading through the comments just to discover that the world´s full of freakin´ "experts"!!! You better contact FIA to set this straight... 😂

  • @marcushinton772
    @marcushinton772 Місяць тому

    They forgot to put Russell's ego into the car?

  • @davidmam
    @davidmam Місяць тому

    why don't they weigh the cars with a standard set of tyres?

  • @Mark_Something-Ermm-Yeah
    @Mark_Something-Ermm-Yeah Місяць тому

    Hamilton got stopped at the airport when his luggage was 1,5kgs over weight.

  • @edwinhodges611
    @edwinhodges611 Місяць тому

    To be honest no good reason not to do a full lap of cool down. I’ve been a fan at Spa and out on the circus you do get short changed. You see the cars for only 44 laps and then you miss the winning driver celebrating! It is meant to be entertainment right - surely they could find a way to run a cool down lap that is maybe 2 miles longer than the average to give the fans what they deserve?

  • @LtheDetective
    @LtheDetective Місяць тому

    I believe the team is doing everything to make Russell seem faster, but Hamilton's experience and race craft keeps proving them wrong. Yes George us a hotlap guru, but a gp isn't a hotlap...its 40-70 laps of race management that Russell doesn't have over Hamilton. Silverstone he lost out and now this past race in Spa...he lost out again. Mercedes literally trying to force something that isn't forcible with Russell and Hamilton and it's starting to become exposed

  • @user-io2et5bv2s
    @user-io2et5bv2s Місяць тому +1

    3 lb’s underweight…OH NO! 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️

    • @kelvinleigh
      @kelvinleigh Місяць тому

      I did not know that the requirements were soooo strict. 3 pounds look like a rounding error to my (uninformed) eyes.

  • @tuomasholo
    @tuomasholo Місяць тому

    Why punish the driver when it’s the garage’s fault? Fine the team and take away the constructors points but let the driver keep the win.

    • @EmilyBender-X
      @EmilyBender-X Місяць тому

      If they don't punish the driver, then any driver can easily win world championship! Ex. Drive a car that's 10 kg lighter and keep winning. Yes, the team will never win. :)

  • @martijnborst8206
    @martijnborst8206 Місяць тому

    BS, the first wheigh was whit the race tyre. And the second wheigh was whit a fia set of tyres. In both occasions the car was to light. They mercedes actualy preserved fuel for extra wheight.

  • @marktopley-bird2355
    @marktopley-bird2355 Місяць тому

    One stop vs two stop. Two stop have more tread left = more weight.

  • @anglodutch8321
    @anglodutch8321 Місяць тому +6

    You're too young to be wearing that big, old man beard, dude.

  • @AndrewDeVilliers-td6lw
    @AndrewDeVilliers-td6lw Місяць тому

    Every F1 Grand Prix Race there's not a Sunday without Drama! If it's not the Race Marshall's then it's the FIA, if it's not the FIA then it's the Team Boses.If it's not the Team Boses it's the Strategist that Messes things up....and so it goes.
    Can we not for the sake of F1 Enjoy a Race without Controversy? Is there not a way the FIA can resolve the overweight issue I mean 1.5 kg, isnt the a simple measure to subtract the weight from the lap times and simply place the driver there so he doesn't loose the entire race by disqualification at least he earn a point or 2, but to go through the entire race then be informed you are disqualified? Yo that's a bit harsh, iam not GR Fan but surely it does not do justice to the sacrifice over the entire weekend and strategy.
    Surely the weather should have been taken into account, also the new surfacing of certain parts of the the track, as the rain clear the track and as a result of that the Tyre wear which is also a huge factor did not help a lot.
    Play by the rules , disqualified by technicality which is marginal, you loose by 1 point you loose! Irrespective of your months and years of preparation.!😢 Was the FIa fair in this matter?

  • @darrenwhyman4539
    @darrenwhyman4539 Місяць тому

    But aLso by making one less stop he’d did not use the fuel in the slow down stop and speed up again, his tyres had also used up all its rubber ! So one stop was not they way to go! Toto did LHs legs make no doubt any decisions will go GRs way, and I don’t blame them 🤷‍♂️

  • @watchchimp3102
    @watchchimp3102 Місяць тому

    I think partly because Russell is bigger than Hamilton.
    So, less ballast was added to the car.
    They weigh the car and they weigh the drivers. The weight should be a cumulative. Otherwise, smaller drivers get a bid advantage (they already do).
    Some klag would have helped, though!

    • @reiniernn9071
      @reiniernn9071 Місяць тому

      It is. I suppose they weight the car without the added ballast for a driver (if he is under 80 kg weight).

  • @shooter7a
    @shooter7a Місяць тому

    Full lap pick up can be 2-3 kg....

  • @marcuscoquer5958
    @marcuscoquer5958 Місяць тому

    Even if he had have been at weight he would've been on the podium. I feel pretty bad for him.
    Maybe weights should not include the tyres.
    From a Lynn boi.

  • @adamlannerd1408
    @adamlannerd1408 Місяць тому

    Cars should be weighed without wheels or tires.

  • @Ranjan5740
    @Ranjan5740 Місяць тому

    Alonso one stop strategy

  • @Squarer67
    @Squarer67 Місяць тому

    If he'd pitted 10 laps later, his tyres wouldn't have been underweight.

    • @patthewoodboy
      @patthewoodboy Місяць тому

      "tyres" , what the F are you talking about ?

  • @chrisliddiard725
    @chrisliddiard725 Місяць тому +1

    Its only through sheer luck that both drivers didn't end up disqualified Had Hamiton one stopped we would have had the most embarrassing result in F1 history.

    • @a1white
      @a1white Місяць тому +1

      maybe not, they have 2 different teams of mechanics- drivers are different weights. Someone on Russells teams messed up

  • @dennishughes721
    @dennishughes721 Місяць тому

    3lbs? All this was over 3lbs?

  • @atibakojo3478
    @atibakojo3478 Місяць тому +6

    Mercedes is a professional team doing this for years. Lewis has never had these issues never. And he's won at Spa before so, why now? And why is George suddenly this year out qualifying Lewis. Is it because they are running George's car light on a regular basis now? I think so. Lewis not able to pass someone on old tires, just think about that for a second. Does that actually sound real. No.

  • @KarlPersson-pb2zj
    @KarlPersson-pb2zj Місяць тому +2

    I was wondering why Hamilton got fresh tires late in the race...Now I know...He still won.

  • @nextbigthing7861
    @nextbigthing7861 Місяць тому

    Exceptional click bait photo my friend !!

  • @fstlnj29
    @fstlnj29 Місяць тому

    No dog in the fight but we live in a different world where rules have no become controversial.......
    Soft

  • @okgo8315
    @okgo8315 Місяць тому

    No answer here to the REAL Reason

  • @naasikhendricks1501
    @naasikhendricks1501 Місяць тому

    0:19 conspiracy is normal for rich boy sport

  • @jamesbutcher2729
    @jamesbutcher2729 Місяць тому +1

    theories are just that --theories--doesn,t matter --the car was underweight , not russel
    give it up --looks good on the billions of dollars they spend on tech and can't get the weight right --maybe just add a bit --very low tech solve lmao

  • @Rattlerbrand
    @Rattlerbrand Місяць тому

    ITS ALL FIXED ANYWAY , FROM WHEN SCHUMACHER CRASHED INTO HILL IN AUSTRALIA , SCHU SHOULD HAVE BEEN DEDUCTED POINTS ,,,,,,,,,,,THEN WHEN VERSTAPPEN WON FIRST CHAMPIONSHIP THEY LET ALL THE CARS UN LAP TILL MAX ? DISGUSTING , ANSO LANDOGATE , AND LOOK AT IT THIS WAY you run a car till tyres are worn out 1.5kg divided by 4 is not a lot of weight ,next time pick up some rubber debris on last lap

  • @truenorthscalemotorsports527
    @truenorthscalemotorsports527 Місяць тому +1

    For those that dont know, as the tires wear, ie go around and around as the car travels the race track bits of rubber fly/wear/fall off the tires and land on the track and become what is know as marbles. At the end of a race, in almost any series not just F1, drivers know, or are reminded on the team radio to drive around the track off line to pick up these marbles at make sure they make weight once back in the pits. If you look online you can find a pic of George's tires at the end of the race and there is literally no pick up or marbles on the tires and you can also see that there is almost no rubber left and some of the metal banding used on the inside construction of the tire is starting to show. At the end of the Belgium grand prix the cars do not do a cooldown lap and after crossing the line are brought back to the pits via the pit exit, thus no one was able to run off line and pick up the marbles as normal. George was 1.5kg or 1500grams under weight or 350grams per tire, so it is very easy to theorize that this is why he failed weight in. George called his own strat from inside the car so clearly Mercedes didn't anticipate or prepare for this eventuality. Fair play to George for pulling it off, shame on Lewis for thinking the team was trying to screw him.

    • @angelscakes4678
      @angelscakes4678 Місяць тому +1

      Is that not the same rules for every driver and team? If they didn't see this coming then it is on them for cheating Lewis out of the win.

    • @Maruman_man
      @Maruman_man Місяць тому +1

      Because pre race strategy was 2 stops for each driver. Hamilton was right to be aggrieved. Karma this time worked

    • @rickbateman2401
      @rickbateman2401 Місяць тому +2

      You can see the looks on the faces of some of the team - especially Toto. They knew they were at risk that something was wrong.

    • @truenorthscalemotorsports527
      @truenorthscalemotorsports527 Місяць тому +1

      @@angelscakes4678 yes its the same for every driver/team but Mercedes planned on a two stop strat for both drivers. Russell called the one stop during the race because the deg on the hards was not as bad as it was on the mediums. The plan for Russell and Hamilton was med, hard, hard, the hards were lasting better than the expected and Russell took it to the end after his first stop. Had the plan been to do just a one stop they'd have planned better for it. No one "cheated" Lewis it was just an unexpected strat. Lewis wanted to do the same but didn't fight the team on the radio, George was more forceful, that's on Lewis.

    • @benward1347
      @benward1347 Місяць тому

      @@truenorthscalemotorsports527Lewis wasn’t in a position to try the one stop he was leading the race and covering his closest challengers with his stops Russell on the other hand had nothing to lose by risking the one stop, as it turned out it worked for him until it didn’t

  • @lorcandonohoe1881
    @lorcandonohoe1881 Місяць тому

    Weigh the car before and after the race with the 4 wheels Removed .

    • @andrewdavies3972
      @andrewdavies3972 Місяць тому +1

      They do weigh cars before the race but for some reason Mercedes left some fuel in russell car so it appeared to be correct weight.

  • @ashan2272
    @ashan2272 Місяць тому +1

    George Russell should be hell bent on beating LH so not sure why you would disagree so adamantly on this… the fact is GR can’t beat LH with the same rules and equipment is the issue.

  • @carlslagle8399
    @carlslagle8399 Місяць тому

    So, what was the real reason Russell's car was underweight? You don't know either.