the blue coating is just an anti corrosive coating. per Bosch rep in new york: that coating will peel if UV light shines on it, which will cause condensate drainage issues draining out side of the pan
I was going to say that it looks like anti corrosion that you put on units that are near the coast. That’s for the heads up about the UV light. I don’t think I’ll be putting these in though. I know you’ve put a few in.
I installed a Bosch climate 5000 4ton with 2 , 24000 btu heads. First use of a Bosch and i am happy with it. 1 head in oversized 2 car garage and 1 head in living space above garage. Customer loves it.
Now after watching video several times got it figured out heat strip up side down u have 2 predrilled holes to the left and 1 predrilled to the right if u flip strip around holes should line up
The breaker that is with the heat strip is not rated for more amps from the fan coil being wired in. you should run two dedicated circuits. one for the fan coil and one for the heat strip.
I put in over 100 Bosch systems in 1 1/2 years. Not many problems but when there is its control board related. I’ve replaced 4 outdoor board assemblies so far. Even with surge protectors on every unit.
We don't really use AHU's here in Colorado as we install dual-fuel, but I think you have the wrong heat kit for that unit. The testing units at the Bosch Distributor mount using the screws removed off the plate covering the opening.
Curtis I'm not sure what type of heat strips these are but the ones I installed in those units Bosch units are same part number that the manual indicates. The holes where you screw them in are actually aligning every time and also your air handler gets the power off the bottom of the breaker. There is a set of wires not going to the heaters but actually sitting there and you connect them to the air handler power you do not land air handler wires on the actual breaker
The IDS Premium for sure has the have the VCA blower on the furnace and AHU's. I have yet to install a Bosch that had a VCT. But I only sell the 20 SEER unit because it is CCHP and qualifies for larger credits and rebates. But here in Colorado we only do dual-fuel systems.
you'll need to switch the stat from O to B. same if your using a honeywell zone board. switch from O to B in settings. I would use a staged honeywell T6 or 8000.
It appeared there was a gap below that plate on the heat strip when installed? Anyone else see that or was I seeing something not there? Otherwise that’s going to leak conditioned air into the cabinet.
I am interested to see if you can still hookup a heating strip if the system is installed and you can’t reach inside from above. But overall it seems an interesting concept. Look forward to your installation.
I would rock a Bosch at my house if I could afford one right now, but I am just a little peasant/hiker trash. My Carrier/ICP AC started leaking 3 months outside of the factory warranty and the coil had already been discontinued. Lol. I like the simplicity of the Bosch premium inverter systems. I just got pricing on one for my Dad a week ago, but I just heard on Saturday from another contractor that my local supply house that I am set up with is killing the Bosch line and going over to Daikin and Goodman. I am going to see if other supply houses around me are going to sell them and if so, I will get setup with them. I think what makes Bosch a harder sell around me is the pricing on them. The outdoor unit options only being sold in 3 ton or 5 ton models makes the price higher than it needs to be when someone has a 2, 2.5, 3.5, or 4 ton model unit. In the Bosch training class they said that the blue coating on the coil helps to drive water off the coil to ensure proper drainage. Basically, a slick coat. The LV fuse is on the board in the top left hand side. I am sure you probably saw it there later while you were working on it. Thanks for the video. Stay safe out there bud.
If it is premium with premium price it should have a copper coil. Looks no better than any other brand honestly. They don’t give you screws and no good way to hook up wires to breaker. The blower assembly should be on a track to slide out for easy removal. The holes for the heat strips should have already been drilled or at least center punched from the factory. Either they were cheap or the engineers haven’t ever installed or worked on ac units. I’d say both. Looks like Bosch just wants a piece of the pie with how expensive ac equipment is getting to buy and cheap they are getting manufactured. If you buy a premium product the customer should get the best materials and it should be a pleasure to install. Because proper install is key to a properly working unit that will last 15 plus years. If I’m installing a unit and the manufacturer wows me with the attention to detail and how well built the unit is I will recommend it to customers in the future. Most customers don’t care or know what unit they want. All they want is cold air and a good price. I can easily convince a customer to pay a bit more for a better unit or only give them one option. The good unit because it reflects your service.
Per the bosh training videos that blue is a hydrophilic material to shed the water quickly. He said never clean it with acid or you will lost the coating.
i could not be happier with Bosch packaged equipment .. haven’t installed any mini splits yet but i can say their php equipment is much much more efficient than advertised.. the gubberment requires SEER and EER rating to be tested at max 100% capacity … typically these inverter systems never reach 100% capacity during a normal run cycle .. from my understanding the 18 SEER rated system is more like a 20-21 SEER rated system during a normal run cycle at 50-60% of full capacity.
WOudnlt that little switch cover go on the inside an you add 4 screws around the breaker to secure it to the front panel? Just sticking on the outside seems weird.
Curtis at first thoght no big deal if strips turned around but the way the supports go into holes at back of the hander they may not be level if not instaled in proper orientation might be reason for 2 holes on one side and 2 on other to insure proper orientation
You’re not supposed to hook up y1 and y2 together. If you pair the Bosch thermostat with that air handler you can have 2 stages and 1 dehumidification stage and get full capability of the unit. If you’re not gonna stage the blower speeds and not use the Bosch thermostat do not wire y1 and y2 together because the blower will run a lot faster on y2.
Not sure think that top plate moves to bottom and then your factory holes line up and u use the screws from the plates the instal manual should show this
Regarding heat strips. If they came from Bosch the mounting holes for the screws should have already been drilled like the holes at the back were. However I’m not a fan of self tappers. I drill a hole first.
Im old enough to remember when Robert Bosch meant you paid a little more for quality. On the coldest day or hottest day of the year when a component fails, you will learn to hate the phrase “The part is on nation wide back order”. Most of the parts are made of Chineseium.
I will stick with what we have as it is reliable. I will let other customers be the guinea pigs and buy this system and see how well it holds up. Time will tell if it is reliable system.
A friend of mine has a Bosch 3 ton for 5yrs now nothing but problems and most recently board caught fire and the condenser had to be replaced. Waaaay overrated.
I think if Bosch wants me to buy this, it needs to be engineered and made in Germany, not made in China by Midea or whoever. That doesn't mean I wouldn't buy a Midea based unit or Chinese made unit. I just don't see why Bosch would be willing to put their name on this.
@@sprockkets I think the control board with the inverter is most likely made in China on all those brands but you have to look at the board. If the board is made in USA the components soldered to the board are probably from China or Malaysia.
Im sure that whole system costs a pretty penny. I would think they could at least give u some directions or at least some screws to mount the heat strips lol
Bad idea on these units to connect Y1 and Y2 together…better to just leave Y2 unhooked…personally I would wire it as labeled cause the two different stages are just a difference in blower speed
Looks like an inexpensive unit. Wonder if anyone builds the next level up, or all new systems meant to only live 10 years, miss the days where systems would last 25-30 years.
Never mind after looking at it again ull steel need to use self tappers 😮 I know ur advertising them so I won't b to critical but not that impressed good luck with it do meen it one thing of note I usaly laid unit on its back so gravity would hold heat pack in place and don't have to juggle strips wile driving screws
There's a 3A fuse at 2:37 on the PCB (top left corner where the yellow cable ends).
Yep
He was so close to the fuse that it could have jumped out and bit him. That should be a VCA blower also.
I saw it too. I was shouting at the screen “look on the board Curtis!”
the blue coating is just an anti corrosive coating. per Bosch rep in new york: that coating will peel if UV light shines on it, which will cause condensate drainage issues draining out side of the pan
Keep up the good work Daniel
I was going to say that it looks like anti corrosion that you put on units that are near the coast. That’s for the heads up about the UV light. I don’t think I’ll be putting these in though. I know you’ve put a few in.
I installed a Bosch climate 5000 4ton with 2 , 24000 btu heads. First use of a Bosch and i am happy with it. 1 head in oversized 2 car garage and 1 head in living space above garage. Customer loves it.
Look like IKEA instructions! 😵💫
Now after watching video several times got it figured out heat strip up side down u have 2 predrilled holes to the left and 1 predrilled to the right if u flip strip around holes should line up
Yep
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Glad you're showing the bosch.I think I'll stick with ICP.. thanks for the video.
Good job Curtis. LoOks
The breaker that is with the heat strip is not rated for more amps from the fan coil being wired in.
you should run two dedicated circuits.
one for the fan coil and one for the heat strip.
I put in over 100 Bosch systems in 1 1/2 years. Not many problems but when there is its control board related.
I’ve replaced 4 outdoor board assemblies so far. Even with surge protectors on every unit.
Lizards or something?
We don't really use AHU's here in Colorado as we install dual-fuel, but I think you have the wrong heat kit for that unit. The testing units at the Bosch Distributor mount using the screws removed off the plate covering the opening.
Curtis I'm not sure what type of heat strips these are but the ones I installed in those units Bosch units are same part number that the manual indicates. The holes where you screw them in are actually aligning every time and also your air handler gets the power off the bottom of the breaker. There is a set of wires not going to the heaters but actually sitting there and you connect them to the air handler power you do not land air handler wires on the actual breaker
I think u have the variable speed motor in it. Can’t wait to see the install
It’s an X-13
Well curtis needs some glasses he overlooks the fuse and the mouningholes of the heatstrip 😂😂😂😂
i beleive the 16 SEER systems have the constant torque and 18+ SEER units have the true variable speed set up
but my knowledge is with packaged systems only
The IDS Premium for sure has the have the VCA blower on the furnace and AHU's. I have yet to install a Bosch that had a VCT. But I only sell the 20 SEER unit because it is CCHP and qualifies for larger credits and rebates. But here in Colorado we only do dual-fuel systems.
When I see the letters Broad Ocean, I get broadly ill ....
you'll need to switch the stat from O to B. same if your using a honeywell zone board. switch from O to B in settings.
I would use a staged honeywell T6 or 8000.
It appeared there was a gap below that plate on the heat strip when installed? Anyone else see that or was I seeing something not there? Otherwise that’s going to leak conditioned air into the cabinet.
Yeah no kind of gasket or anything to seal the heat strip to the ah housing
We need self tapper screws with t25 in the middle and regular hex on the outside.
I am interested to see if you can still hookup a heating strip if the system is installed and you can’t reach inside from above. But overall it seems an interesting concept. Look forward to your installation.
Well Curtis,Its a Smart looking Bosch Air handler, there all getting more complicated these days 🤔 Au
Would think that heatstrip would have predrilled hole pattern - just bolt it in. And a handier wire connection. Hope it works ok.
I would rock a Bosch at my house if I could afford one right now, but I am just a little peasant/hiker trash. My Carrier/ICP AC started leaking 3 months outside of the factory warranty and the coil had already been discontinued. Lol. I like the simplicity of the Bosch premium inverter systems. I just got pricing on one for my Dad a week ago, but I just heard on Saturday from another contractor that my local supply house that I am set up with is killing the Bosch line and going over to Daikin and Goodman. I am going to see if other supply houses around me are going to sell them and if so, I will get setup with them. I think what makes Bosch a harder sell around me is the pricing on them. The outdoor unit options only being sold in 3 ton or 5 ton models makes the price higher than it needs to be when someone has a 2, 2.5, 3.5, or 4 ton model unit. In the Bosch training class they said that the blue coating on the coil helps to drive water off the coil to ensure proper drainage. Basically, a slick coat. The LV fuse is on the board in the top left hand side. I am sure you probably saw it there later while you were working on it. Thanks for the video. Stay safe out there bud.
If it is premium with premium price it should have a copper coil. Looks no better than any other brand honestly. They don’t give you screws and no good way to hook up wires to breaker. The blower assembly should be on a track to slide out for easy removal. The holes for the heat strips should have already been drilled or at least center punched from the factory. Either they were cheap or the engineers haven’t ever installed or worked on ac units. I’d say both. Looks like Bosch just wants a piece of the pie with how expensive ac equipment is getting to buy and cheap they are getting manufactured.
If you buy a premium product the customer should get the best materials and it should be a pleasure to install. Because proper install is key to a properly working unit that will last 15 plus years. If I’m installing a unit and the manufacturer wows me with the attention to detail and how well built the unit is I will recommend it to customers in the future. Most customers don’t care or know what unit they want. All they want is cold air and a good price. I can easily convince a customer to pay a bit more for a better unit or only give them one option. The good unit because it reflects your service.
Midea.....makes Bosch, ACPro, and they also sell the same equipment under their own badge.
Just different colors and labels. All Chinese made.
Sshhh!! You’re not supposed to know that!!
Midea also makes this unit for ACiQ.
Per the bosh training videos that blue is a hydrophilic material to shed the water quickly. He said never clean it with acid or you will lost the coating.
You must be doing dam good to have all of the TOP LINE TOOLS to be working with....
Mikey pipes swears by them.
i could not be happier with Bosch packaged equipment .. haven’t installed any mini splits yet but i can say their php equipment is much much more efficient than advertised.. the gubberment requires SEER and EER rating to be tested at max 100% capacity … typically these inverter systems never reach 100% capacity during a normal run cycle .. from my understanding the 18 SEER rated system is more like a 20-21 SEER rated system during a normal run cycle at 50-60% of full capacity.
WOudnlt that little switch cover go on the inside an you add 4 screws around the breaker to secure it to the front panel?
Just sticking on the outside seems weird.
Curtis at first thoght no big deal if strips turned around but the way the supports go into holes at back of the hander they may not be level if not instaled in proper orientation might be reason for 2 holes on one side and 2 on other to insure proper orientation
You’re not supposed to hook up y1 and y2 together. If you pair the Bosch thermostat with that air handler you can have 2 stages and 1 dehumidification stage and get full capability of the unit. If you’re not gonna stage the blower speeds and not use the Bosch thermostat do not wire y1 and y2 together because the blower will run a lot faster on y2.
Not sure think that top plate moves to bottom and then your factory holes line up and u use the screws from the plates the instal manual should show this
Something sure wasn’t right there. You make a good point. I have no experience with those personally.
Not sure tried to look up the manule what I found was vague not sure
Regarding heat strips. If they came from Bosch the mounting holes for the screws should have already been drilled like the holes at the back were. However I’m not a fan of self tappers. I drill a hole first.
I like Bosch but parts are a PITA to get.
Im old enough to remember when Robert Bosch meant you paid a little more for quality. On the coldest day or hottest day of the year when a component fails, you will learn to hate the phrase “The part is on nation wide back order”. Most of the parts are made of Chineseium.
I will stick with what we have as it is reliable. I will let other customers be the guinea pigs and buy this system and see how well it holds up. Time will tell if it is reliable system.
Not impressed With Bosch at all !!!
A friend of mine has a Bosch 3 ton for 5yrs now nothing but problems and most recently board caught fire and the condenser had to be replaced. Waaaay overrated.
Did they have surge protection. Installed with the equipme t?@@tc6580
@@tc6580”I cant get that part. It is on nation wide back order”
I think if Bosch wants me to buy this, it needs to be engineered and made in Germany, not made in China by Midea or whoever. That doesn't mean I wouldn't buy a Midea based unit or Chinese made unit. I just don't see why Bosch would be willing to put their name on this.
All inverter systems are made in China by Midea or Gree.
@@houpteeAnd who makes Trane's? Carrier? Copeland's?
Some are not made in China, esp when Trane made their first ones in the 80s in the USA!
@@sprockkets I think the control board with the inverter is most likely made in China on all those brands but you have to look at the board. If the board is made in USA the components soldered to the board are probably from China or Malaysia.
I don't see you working on many TAM air-handlers. WHY?
Im sure that whole system costs a pretty penny. I would think they could at least give u some directions or at least some screws to mount the heat strips lol
Quality seem to be on par with everything else being sold. Not sure it's much better or worse, just parts will be harder to come by as they fail.
Chinese how are the availability of parts going to be starting out with the new stuff? $900 blower motor customer base frowns heavy on that…
Hard and firm rule in my house, no mechanical equipment with ECM’s. .
Bad idea on these units to connect Y1 and Y2 together…better to just leave Y2 unhooked…personally I would wire it as labeled cause the two different stages are just a difference in blower speed
I’m dubious that Bosch will be able to uphold their highly touted level of engineering using Chinese sourced parts. I could be proven wrong.
Yeah, same here. I know everyone's doing it but aluminum evaporator coils don't leave me sanguine either with all their leaking.
Reserving comments until the final install. Interesting though!
I hate how they do their blower speed adjustments. Change one dipswitch, and it affects every stage
You could use Google translate on your phone to translate the Chinese to English
Seems a bit of a waste to buy a unit with fancy features and then not use them to save a few bucks on a thermostat though.
After seeing the equipment and seeing other guys repair them a lot I will not be buying Bosch.
Looks like an inexpensive unit. Wonder if anyone builds the next level up, or all new systems meant to only live 10 years, miss the days where systems would last 25-30 years.
Between the lack of screw holes and no good place to connect those wires, I am not impressed.
Never mind after looking at it again ull steel need to use self tappers 😮 I know ur advertising them so I won't b to critical but not that impressed good luck with it do meen it one thing of note I usaly laid unit on its back so gravity would hold heat pack in place and don't have to juggle strips wile driving screws
Too much sugar for a dime!
Thanks--that certainly convinced me never to buy one.😉
So far, not impressed.
It looked very cheap! I would expect better from Bosch...too much Chinese components these days.
I'm not really impressed. I don't like aluminum coils
They’re all using aluminum coils
Looks alot like nortek crap