Who paid for this production? Why the manufactured poor of course as always - ever-increasing technological advances mean that the poor can support more and more people to do this sort of energy-hungry non-work. Obviously however - this is at least potentially-edifying non-work. The majority of people in the rich West are involved in non-edifying, *destructive* non-work that actively keeps the manufactured poor in poverty & doing all the body-breaking toil that provides for the idle rich in offices, via capitalism. (Dot)
I am impressed by this new theory "A teenage girl from another universe had to do a school project and we are now living in the universe she created for her project". Fantastic thoughts from our brain bosses.
Love the channel. The host and the guests are such smart people. I like Frank Wilczek a lot. It's so great that a Nobel laureate is so humble and open-minded.
Well, without the universe we have. We wouldn't be here to have this discussion. How many universes are tuned for life is unknown. So we really have no idea if we are an accident or not.
I absolutely love Robert Lawrence Kuhn’s interviews with cosmologists and physicists. I just can’t get on board with the theological perspective. To remain focused on what is “really real” and knowable, it’s best to stick to science.
The only thing any of us actually know for sure is, "I think, therefore I am". I don't even know that other people exist in the same way that I know myself to exist. And I don't know what "I" am as such - only that something is going on (as opposed to not going on) that I think.of as *me, myself, I*. I could be completely alone in the Universe and I wouldn't know it. So Science only ever tells me (+ you if you genuinely exist too) what *seems* to be going on. Consciousness is the only reality I truly *know* of as TRUTH. (Dot).
I for one am not even convinced of the premise of 'fine-tuning'. We know that we don't yet understand the 'ultimate' laws of physics, so how can we even assume such a thing about the nature of reality? And why are we putting our form of life, of all things, at the centre of importance? What if it just is. And were the universe slightly different, there would simply be other things in existence. No problem about it. So this whole discussion is just baffling to me. I was hoping for more of a discussion of whether life/mind is inevitable, given this universe.
The whole science of nature - physics, chemistry, is based on the principle of energy conservation and equilibrium. The amount of energy in the universe do not change, but preserved. It changes its form, from one energy type to another and preserved. Every complex of particles reaches equilibrium, based on the principle of energy conservation. This is fine-tuning. If you look, at the complexity of molecules that build matter and see how they all are fine-tuned to equilibrium and working synchronically each second of our life - that is a miracle. It is just unbelievable, how it all works together. And it is doing it all by its self. How does it all happen? If we could take a magnifying glass and look closer at every material or our own body for example, to the particle level - it will be a mind opening experience. We are all part of a very fine-tuned plan and though by someone. By a creator..
It is about giving the right answer, whereever it comes from, science, Philosophy, making a guess. I hate that each group is riding their old horses, protecting their field.
Just a little reminder, no matter where you live on earth, what color your skin is or religious beliefs, we are all immortal, spiritual beings of light, who love and cherish each other. You have just forgotten who you are and where you’re from and that we are one collective source of energy from a different realm and dimension. Your consciousnesses and your soul are one in the same. Earth is not your true home and the ‘real you’ wasn’t born here. The place your consciousnesses goes when you die or cross over, as some like to say, is going back to your ‘real home’. It’s simply a matter of closing your eyes here and reopening your eyes there, It is instantaneous to us. Every human on the planet will all eventually see what I’m saying is absolutely and undeniably, 100% correct and true. Again, one day you will all see that every person on this planet comes from the same realm of existence and have been around since time immemorial. All of us are one collective source. Think of yourself as a raindrop and everyone else as the ocean. Again, we are all one. You have lived many, many lifetimes through reincarnation, hundreds or possibly thousands of times. More than likely, you have been every race, gender and lived from every time period. Again, you are immortal and have died many times throughout history. When it’s time for your soul to return to earth, you and your soul guardian (Spiritual Guide) will pick your life’s blueprint of what you’re going to do and accomplish, including who your parents are going to be. Your aren’t meant to remember this in your human life, but discover these lessons throughout life. God will put people in your path to help you along your way. The journey to achieving success and fulfilling your goal’s will help grow your soul immensely. If everyone was just told what they had to do, or easily remembered, they would just rush to get through it and go back home. They wouldn’t be able to properly get what was needed out of life. The one thing I do know for absolute certainty, is that the core learning for each soul, is the ability to love one another and show compassion for each other, no matter who they are, or where they’re from. For each of us, once you have accomplished these goals set by God, your Spiritual Advisor and you, you will only come back if you want to, and if you feel like you lack in some other area of your life. Please stop the wars and fighting amongst each other and start to love and cherish one another. Pray to the Heavenly Father daily and read his book and his message daily. Spread his word of love and repent any sins. Ask him to come into your life and guide you on the path of salvation and healing. We are spiritual beings having a physical experience, not physical beings having a spiritual experience. The last words Jesus spoke on the cross: ‘Father, forgive them; for they do not know what they are doing’. If you need any other perspective or guidance, watch the episodes called: (The Ghost inside my Child), and NDE’s, (Near Death Experience) testimonials. A lot of these are on UA-cam, but you can also find some on the premium’s as well. I watched complete episodes of ‘Ghost’, on Prime. All the NDE episodes, I watched on UA-cam. My first testimonial I watched about a year ago, was of a Neurosurgeon named, Eben Alexander. He was in a coma for 2 weeks and died several times from meningitis. After listening to his hour long testimony, I just started watching everything I could find on the topic, before long, I was a changed person. People that were born blind or deaf, could see and hear perfectly during their NDE. This one woman I saw had died on the operating table for about 5 minutes and had been born deaf, when she was brought back, she was able to tell all her family and doctors, exactly what they were talking about in the operating room, the whole time she was clinically dead. She wrote down word for word what each of them had said and done for 5 minutes. They were all in shock, how could she know what they said if she was dead and deaf since birth? These testimonies are simply amazing. If you’ve ever had a family member or close friend die accidentally, perhaps from drowning or on the operating table, for example, ask them if they had an experience on the other side. Most have, they just don’t like talking about it because of the ridicule. Even doctors don’t want to hear about it, cause it goes against everything they were taught in school. For most people, it’s the same as believing or talking about aliens. They just can’t except something that goes beyond what their mind can comprehend. I can totally understand that to, cause I use to be the same as them. Watch as many of the episodes as you can, because you will get a broader, more detailed understanding of what it’s all about and what’s to come. Everyone has a different experience and will witness and see a vast range of environments, it’s all determined by what god feels you need at the time of your NDE. This will completely change your life for the better and you will never fear life or death again. It will give you a complete sense of peace and perspective, that you have never felt before. I use to believe that when you died, it was just lights out and that’s it, nothing more. Good grief, was I wrong! You will become exponentially more compassionate towards people and animals. You will learn to love yourself first and foremost. I completely understand if you can’t and/or won’t initially except some of what I’m telling you at first. But I do hope and pray that you will try to expand your mind from what you’ve been taught. I’ve had some ask me about the situation with babies or young children and cancer or illness, disease and ‘why god takes them at such a young age’. Saying, ‘how’s that fair, they didn’t do anything to deserve that’ or ‘why would they pick a life just to turn around and die’. I initially had issues with all that as well, but over time and learning, it became clear that sometimes the life blueprint that’s picked, is not always about you, but those you choose to be born unto. A mother or father may need to experience/learn humility or sacrifice and yes, sadly the suffering for the loss of a child, just to name a few. I know it sounds cruel but for whatever reason, it was ultimately necessary and Gods plan. We’re not meant to know or understand everything, that’s essentially in Gods hands. I was a devout nonbeliever and hardcore sceptic, (as most people are these days) when I first heard about this, but the more knowledge you learn and acquire, the more you will realize it all to be true and not just a ‘nice story’, as one guy responded back to me recently. Please don’t ignore this, it has everything to do with why you’re here. Some things are true whether you believe them or not. I would like to say though, that I’m not in any way an expert on the subject or claim to know everything, not even close. I encourage you to do your own research and come to your own conclusions. Sorry this was so long, I’m just really passionate about this topic now. God Bless You!
On the XY plane, scientists are connecting points to draw curves away from the origin, eventually, the curves will come back to the origin, and so do philosophers. Well, they have to find a way to make a living like everyone of us.
Possible universes does not mean that all possible universes must exist. There could be a limited number of universes that have similar properties. They don't have to be so diverse. The answer is we dont know.
But the less possible universes that exist, the more improbable it is that our fine-tuned universe should exist. So if it's important not to believe in the existence of God, it seems we need put our faith in the existence of a limitless number of universes.
@@dustinellerbe4125 I believe it does follow. For the closer the number of universes approach to one, the progressively less probable would be the fine-tuned constants of our universe coming about randomly.
@@billwassner1433 why would it be random? The universe(whatever it is made up of) still has a nature. Where do you get it would be random? Are you saying God can be random too? Or do you special pleading for a God concept?
@@billwassner1433 one more thing, any possible universe would be a determined one. It can't be on a list as a something without it being a determined whole. They are all different and determined to be different by its characteristics, unless you want to claim that a universe can only be one way. Then you're still stuck with determinism.
No matter how you slice it, it is a leap of faith to decide that there is a god, and Russell and Inwagen are examples that show that you can be very well educated and still delude yourself. Why does the universe have to be logical? Why do humans demand that it make mathematical sense to humans? These things hold us back in the quest for explanation.
Before anyone can decide or guess that the universe is one of an infinite number, or if we are fine-tuned or not, we have to prove or disprove the "observer effect" in quantum mechanics. If the observer effect is proven, then this is not the argument they should be having. If we create reality, if observers forces the waveform to collapse, why the need to know if this universe is fine-tuned or not. The universe is created, formed, and changes by through an observer.
Take a look at "einselection", or environmentally induced selection, an interpretation of quantum mechanics that says there is no actual collapse but a decoherence of the quantum superposition caused by interaction with a macroscopic measurement device.
I like Alan Watts view on it all. We are all still the expanding bigbang. Just a more complicated pattern of the first waves. So we are all just one big ripple. So is our consciousness really one. We just have our perspective of our one. Because its merged with the human form. Reincarnation is merly the same consciousness manifesting in a different pattern. Like the same song on a different time. Same but different. With different memorywaves. Just as the oceans waves, does this universe peoples. Who are we, the infinite emptyness behind your eyes. We are the universe looking at it self through your eyes.
Very well put. The only notion I probably disagree with is how the Big Bang ties into this. More and more research is pointing to the Big Bang not being an absolute beginning. Either way completely agree with the rest, very interesting
@@vudusid9137 also true, although I don’t think this viewpoint should be taken to the extreme of rejection of philosophical inquiry. Yet it does help humble people, specially the ones who think they figured it all out
Alan Watts ! ? !........please don't be ridiculous ! A con artist and plagiarizer of Eastern philosophy . He does not belong in any serious discussions relating to consciousness. !
@@2msvalkyrie529 Alan Watts is considered a Master among Spiritual Masters. If you don't understand his simplest Spiritual Truths - then You are not as bright as you consider yourself. That's OK. One day (or lifetime) you WILL 'get it'. In God's Perfect System, we are ALL heading to the same place. Of this you have no choice - BUT He/She/It will NEVER force you.
The theological explanation for fine-tuning cannot be an explanation as much as some may want it to be for two very important and rather obvious reasons: 1. If there's fine tuning required, then it's not really a God that's deciding, it's the laws above HIM that have already decided. He's just dialing the knobs because it can't seemingly be done automatically. 2. Who designed or fine tuned the God to be allowed to make us? What makes him so special? These two statements completely remove the theological explanation of a designer. Most likely the universe is the way it is because that's the only choice and dialing of knobs is a just a mathematical consideration, nothing more. Or they all happen in multiple universes.
Because human life is so late to the dance, so to speak, it would seem that we were not the purpose of the fine tuning. if the universe was in fact fine-tuned for a particular type of life, that type of life would have occurred early on at the direction and will of the "fine-tuner" whereas we are late comers, simply reaping the benefits intended for some long distant predecessor.
Simeon Valenti That seems to suggest that life and mind were not inherent in the Big Bang theory, mind is not inherent in the atom and life comes from LIFE not from matter suggesting a higher source of consciousness and mind to perceive the cosmos as a reality aside from the quantum mechanics of energy and matter, that’s my perception anyway, yours is probably different and that’s ok......
@@humblegrenade118 you need mind to perceive the cosmos, but that cosmos does not require your or any mind to keep happily existing. As far as if there's any reason for the cosmos to exist, well sure, maybe, we don't know yet. This is like asking, what caused the big band? Nobody knows. This is what I think. Please take none of what I am saying, as an attack on your personal beliefs or world view. Me personally, well I just like to go with what science says.
We don't need any multiverse to reject the argument of "fine tuning". I don't see any fine tuning. I just see a planet that had conditions that allowed a very few forms of life to appear and evolve into what they are now. If those conditions were slightly different, there might be something else instead. That doesn't mean any of that was tuned or that things had to be this way.
Fine tuning focuses on intelligent life (us) but ignores the extremephobes that inhabit extreme environments of temperature, pressure, radiation, acidity, alkalinity and a lack of sunlight. When considering all life on Earth, fine tuning can be interpreted to mean that life is possible in every corner of the Universe and is diverse. Further, does mind require organic life as a prerequisite or does consciousness sometimes exist independent of body.
Largest living organism on a planet might be oceans. Sea water is not like a normal water we drink here on surface of a planet, it full of tinny organisms, minerals and organic materials, eroding everything and turn what is left into a sea mud. I know, it takes a lot of imagination to visualize a giant symbiot like that, but this is what life is in purest form. Those organism covered all land and air long ago, who knows what oceans are capable of other than giving us weather, seasons and oxygen to breath, no mater how much nature we destroy. Oxygen level is always about the same and fills all air, that's very, very weird, super fine tuned chemical reaction.
We're always on the boundary of its this or that. Sometimes I wonder if its really possible to know the answers we seek. Like we've always got just enough understanding of things to see it either way, and never enough on one side to make it seem like the obvious answer.
Yes. But you are not going to find it at this Chanel. Have you heard of Pratyabhijnahrdayam? Combine this with the teachings of Jesus. Jesus understood the reason for diversity. It is why he talks about love each other.
People say that the Universe must be exactly right for life, but actually the universe is a fractal so it will always end up the same way every time. The fractal comes when you push spherical objects together such as pool balls. You always get 6 sphere around 1 sphere of the same size. This fractal creates the periodic table, and all physics in the Universe. If you look at a snowflake for example it has that fractal. If you look at a human it has the same fractal with a missing tail, but humans did evolve with a tail, and evolved to lose the tail, so we originally had the snowflake fractal. Our hands, and feet have the fractal if you include the wrist, and ankle. So this repeating pattern from sphere pushed together is everywhere, and it changes chaos into order. It's quite obvious therefore that the Universe is a simple repeating pattern with nothing complicated, so life will appear every time.
Evocative as always. My take is that you don’t need a multiverse if you have a repeating universe, or if universe one can spawn universe two through white holes, for instance. Then all you need is infinite time, as universe after universe is created, until the parameters are perfect for our kind of life. The Multiverse concept just makes it happen much faster, perhaps almost instantaneously, perhaps an infinite number of times. God is not required but also not prohibited, although this god would likely be literally outside of the universe and unable to affect anything past the moment of creation. In short, bearing absolutely no resemblance to any of the thousands of gods on earth.
"Blessed are they who have not seen, yet believed." John 20:29 I am not suggesting blind faith, but faith is a major part of it. The evidence of God is all around us. We see His work in nature. We feel His work in our lives, our conviction of sin or the avoidance of a car wreck. We have heard and believe the gospel-that we are sinners and God gave His Son up to take our punishment. We have weighed all of these things carefully and believe that God exists. “Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. - Matthew 7:7
Even with the 'designer' the question why it has to be exactly that way is still on. Could the whole thing have been different? If not, does the system dictate to the allmightly what settings he had to chose for it to work? So who's in charge then?
Dr. Bas Ackwards I’m not sure there has to be a reason. There’s probably universes with different parameters that can’t sustain life. Likewise, there’s other universes different to ours than can sustain life - and they are just as likely to think that their universe was made for them.
@Dr. Bas Ackwards This has some truth to it. You can answer some questions about your Being through meditation. People have known truths for thousands of years. Science is now answering a lot of questions within our consciousness but will never be able to answer what is consciousness etc.
@@angrynorway You are falling into fantasy and speculation. This Universe was made for us. You probably believe the laughable big bang theory, that everything always existed, just in a condensed form. This is just the same concept of God, but you take intelligence out of it.
They always leave out the final consideration - the values may not be a landscape at all. It may be a mistake or illusion to conclude that they could be another but what they are anyway. It's only our mathematical perception and considerations about life that we start arguing that they could be different somehow.
This question only makes sense if it does not see the cosmos as triune; Consciousness; Mind; Elements. As Chinese philosophy has it nothing happens without three. The materialist perspective that the elemental is fundamental and is responsible for all else is a view that elemental oneness morphed into three creating a universe and entities to a non-existent prototype. Materialists like to see themselves as realists but how realistic is this perspective?
Fine tuning must be an ongoing process. We, obviously, are very, very far from being fine tuned. Yes - we are more intelligent and enjoy luxuries much more than lets say what neanderthals have in the past, but to be really truly fine tuned, wouldn't we have a constant feeling of the utmost bliss and live forever? And - just because we are not fine tuned (yet), perhaps millions of other planets in the universe contain beings which are fine tuned. We are very fine tuned as compared to protozoa. Yes?
If there other universes with different laws of physics, what cause it? There should be "a substance" which define or have a role for that. And that substance would have presence in all of universes. More than that, will have to see its control, otherwise the laws of physics would constantly change.
Why do we imagine that there’s anything arbitrary about the fundamental constants of Physics? They look arbitrary tabulated out on paper, but the Universe is not the appendix of a Quantum-Mechanics text book!
Picture life as water if a puddle, what that exact number of water molecules that fits perfectly into a mud puddle. Is the puddle designed for that exact amount of water molecules comfotrably or did water just so happen to fit into that size puddle.
Good content, thanks. Editor - why do we spend so much time looking at the host when he's listening to an interesting speaker. I recommend you consider either focusing the camera on the guest speaker, or back up the camera to show both of them, so we can pay attention to whoever we want - which in my case will ALWAYS be the guest being interviewed. You already show the host a lot walking around pondering things, rest assured, we get that. Please don't over do it.
Believing in a creator means that something as complex as a creator can exist without emerging from simplicity over time. This is very familiar, but hard to accept for those of us who are dazzled by the wonders of evolution and of mechanistic natural law. The best secular hypothesis I can come up with requires an incomprehensible number of universes with natural laws that vary innumerably in calibration (many more universes could have inconsistent natural laws, or laws that could never lead to what we have through calibration); and the inexplicable coincidence that consciousness, which has no affect on the universe, seems to anyway. Consciousness "appears" to be finely-tuned as well--perhaps it is often not present, or usually does not enable the kind of apparent clarity and correspondence we have. A third possibility is that there is perhaps just one universe, that all substance is conscious, that more complex levels of consciousness coexist with less complex levels. Natural laws can be understood as well-established conventions of entities [or some word for generic lives] pursuing their preferences, being reinforced by the mental activity of more complex entities. A universal psychology would need to be developed to make this more plausible. I believe this is correct, and see this as mechanistic. I know this will seem far-fetched to most. I rely partly on mystical experience, including my own sense of the presence of God (loosely defined) during times of meditation, when transported by sublime beauty, or when appreciating the phenomenon of true love/compassion. There is the obvious possibility of my believing what I want, since we tend to do this. If I am deluded, it is a useful delusion.
@@xspotbox4400 Not exactly--Sometimes I find myself within a loving presence that might be called God; or connected to people and/or nature by a fundamental compatibility or rapport. It's not about my being special.
@@davidbrown6340 It's amazing, isn't it, when mind get released from all tensions, there's happiness and bliss deep down. It's like our mind can return into primordial form, when brains began to grow in our mother's womb, not being aware of larger reality outside, mind is about to became a part of after we're born. No wonder, if mind is relinquished from self and material existence, it feels joy in presence of energy because if there would be nothing, than mind wouldn't have anything left to attach to and enjoy the only sensation possible.
How many big bangs were their befor the current? How many more will their be?.time is meaningless without being aware so in the infinite big bangs befor and after or infinite multi verse their will always be a being that your living threw knowing that this is the NOW.when we die time is nothing so even if it takes a infinite amount of big bangs to create a living being that you acknowledge your current state then some sort of awareness from a physical being that your living threw will always exist currently from your prospective.I belive.
Religions say that God is limitless, boundless. Then, it follows that he created countless universes in the "past", and will continue to do so. This implies that God doesn't need to intend anything for those universes. Some will produce life and minds, most won't. Life and minds are not fundamental forces, so they won't develop in most universes.
There is supposed to be no such thing as a dumb question but this one comes close. For those who don't believe in God - you can drop out now. I happen to KNOW that God IS for sure, without a shadow of a doubt. God Created the Universe from His own BEING and so it is not inaccurate to state that God IS the Universe ( including US). Consciousness is the Mind of God. Its a mind shared with us (made in His image) and is only limited in us by our level(s) of consciousness. When we talk of evolution, it can be used as evolution of the body(brain) AND consciousness of the soul - which is somewhat dependent on the evolution of the brain in order to perceive our consciousnesses levels. I do NOT buy into the multiverse. Possible other universes only exist as possibilities in the Quantum field. This Universe is the only one that we need to concern ourselves with. 🙏❤️
The video asks: "Is Life and Mind Inevitable in the Cosmos?" Well, if we consider the possibility that the cosmos may very well be created from the very essence of life and mind, and that the infinitely malleable fabric from which the cosmos is woven is simply the substance and means through-which life expresses itself, then the question is silly.
Robert - you caved in too quickly on this notion that fine-tuning can not be experimentally established. In fact, the fine-tuning theory, is an example that relies almost entirely on mathematical analysis which yield probabilities that no one has successfully challenged. Fine tuning is one of the best scientific theories of the modern age. Unless, of course, you want to insist on the unlikely, being the sole criterion of a truthful scientific theory. That is absurd. As for the minister that claims the new support for multiverses somehow discredits fine tuning as being a support for theism - that is demonstrably false. In fact, the existence of a multiverse cries out even more for a fine tuning explanation. What is the mechanism that can generate so "finely tuned" a phenomenon as the multiverse. The multiverse is an even more elegant example of the need for fine tuning.
I think you're asking the question upside down... You have anthropocentric approach (the same logic that got us thinking that the Earth is the center of the Cosmos). I believe the truth is something like this: the Universe is not fine tuned for life - the life is fine tuned to its Universe!
Clever ! However if you turn it around, the question becomes :'Why is life fine fine-tuned for the universe ?' Is it there god who fine-tuned life, or is this just one universe ...etc, etc. ;)
@@spiritualanarchist8162 It is fine tuned for the universe because it evolved to survive...Darwin called it adaptation. It's simple, if it didn't fine tune itself it would have died (like many species perished in the history)
@@IvicaAnteski Yes i understand that. All i'm saying is that when one turns the question around, the theist can still use the same 'fine tuning ' argument .
@@IvicaAnteski I should ad, the whole 'fine tuning' argument is not so much about explaining life on earth, but the existence of everything in the universe as it is .Without the fine tuned universe , we would have no universe at all. a few digits off, and there would only be proto plasma ( or something similar ) That's what the fine tuning argument is about.
@@michaelstevens8143 that does seem more plausible to me, to be fair. Remember, if energy is eternal, it wouldn't need a cause, because there would never be a time before it existed, so there's no point saying "without cause". You can't cause something to exist if it has always existed. So, in my mind, it comes down to - what's more likely to just exist, some basic natural process (such as energy) or a concious perfect maximally good/powerful/trustworthy etc being with desires, and who has an interest in creating universes. Now, perhaps our thought process is different, and you think the second option is more likely to just exist for no apparent reason, but, if I had to guess (and that's all we can really do with the information we have) I would guess that energy is more likely to exist for no reason, rather than anything concious let alone a perfect God.
If you randomly starts writing gibberish code, eventually given enough time, you would stumble upon a combination of code that produces a calculator, that’s given, but who created the language that allows you to code a calculator to begin with? Same with math, it’s all math, but who or what created the language that lets math produce results, a universe or anything at all, that’s the question. Why something instead or nothing. Without a language, there’s no coding to discover.
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If at the death throes of a universe what would intelligence do to survive, if the universe is infinite in time, maybe life as knowing too well the universe will be cold and dead, created this one to live on, if humans can oneday terreform the galaxy, why not a intelligence terraform and create a universe
Funny that they can accept being created, but only if they do not have to submit to the Creator and His authority. Fine tuning is not used to prove God, instead it questions to validity of the complexity of the material world happening without being directed to be as it is.
Maybe there's a god in one of those other universes. Then everybody is right. Anyway, for now we just have life on one planet, so let's not get ahead of ourselves and claim the whole universe is filled with life yet.
Is Life and Mind Inevitable in our physical body ? Is Mr. Kuhn's mind fine-tuned for speculations ? Cosmos is a Motion-Ocean, Stuff-side, pure motion, No one have seen the Life behind the Motion-Ocean.
Is this that just-so perfect universe made exactly what we need, or one just good enough to allow life to struggle a purchase on these galactic shores?
Tell me what the denominator is and I will tell you what the odds are of us being here. NO philosopher or theologian can do that, so - - - , I say, the question is unanswerable at present.
Professional production, perfect editing, world class scientists, international interviews, simply amazing videos. Who paid for this production?
PBS
But never closer to truth
Who paid for this production? Why the manufactured poor of course as always - ever-increasing technological advances mean that the poor can support more and more people to do this sort of energy-hungry non-work. Obviously however - this is at least potentially-edifying non-work. The majority of people in the rich West are involved in non-edifying, *destructive* non-work that actively keeps the manufactured poor in poverty & doing all the body-breaking toil that provides for the idle rich in offices, via capitalism. (Dot)
@@vtbn53 ever
@@keithtomey5046 Bro what.
I am impressed by this new theory "A teenage girl from another universe had to do a school project and we are now living in the universe she created for her project". Fantastic thoughts from our brain bosses.
Whether we came into existence by chance, or by design, either is equally interesting. Existence itself is a miracle.
no, there are no miracles.
@@vtbn53 I know you are in error.
It is a matter of faith either way.for me,and my little brain it is simpler to just believe in God
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I do same thing
Love the channel. The host and the guests are such smart people. I like Frank Wilczek a lot. It's so great that a Nobel laureate is so humble and open-minded.
Frank Wilczek is my favorite.
Well, without the universe we have. We wouldn't be here to have this discussion. How many universes are tuned for life is unknown. So we really have no idea if we are an accident or not.
I absolutely love Robert Lawrence Kuhn’s interviews with cosmologists and physicists. I just can’t get on board with the theological perspective. To remain focused on what is “really real” and knowable, it’s best to stick to science.
The only thing any of us actually know for sure is, "I think, therefore I am". I don't even know that other people exist in the same way that I know myself to exist. And I don't know what "I" am as such - only that something is going on (as opposed to not going on) that I think.of as *me, myself, I*. I could be completely alone in the Universe and I wouldn't know it. So Science only ever tells me (+ you if you genuinely exist too) what *seems* to be going on. Consciousness is the only reality I truly *know* of as TRUTH. (Dot).
I for one am not even convinced of the premise of 'fine-tuning'.
We know that we don't yet understand the 'ultimate' laws of physics, so how can we even assume such a thing about the nature of reality?
And why are we putting our form of life, of all things, at the centre of importance? What if it just is. And were the universe slightly different, there would simply be other things in existence. No problem about it.
So this whole discussion is just baffling to me. I was hoping for more of a discussion of whether life/mind is inevitable, given this universe.
well we don't know for sure thats why we are discussing well thats what science and philosophy does
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You have the best collection of information in the entire Universe! Think about that for a second?
Is Life and Mind Inevitable in the Cosmos? It is within the only known Cosmos. I love CTT.
It is literally the point of our entire universe.
Life is the reason for everything, Stay in the bright side.
Amazing people, their pursuit of truth is unbelievable concept
Of Brahman may give them necessary information
Yes. Atman and Brahman are one.
Loved it, as always.
The whole science of nature - physics, chemistry, is based on the principle of energy conservation and equilibrium. The amount of energy in the universe do not change, but preserved. It changes its form, from one energy type to another and preserved. Every complex of particles reaches equilibrium, based on the principle of energy conservation. This is fine-tuning.
If you look, at the complexity of molecules that build matter and see how they all are fine-tuned to equilibrium and working synchronically each second of our life - that is a miracle.
It is just unbelievable, how it all works together. And it is doing it all by its self.
How does it all happen?
If we could take a magnifying glass and look closer at every material or our own body for example, to the particle level - it will be a mind opening experience.
We are all part of a very fine-tuned plan and though by someone. By a creator..
It's a miracle, by Roger Waters: ua-cam.com/video/K09MZYsDzrw/v-deo.html
This is wrong, there is no conservation of energy in the large scales. Google "galaxy redshift" and "cosmological constant".
Did anyone else pick up Ray Kurzweil quote Bob Ross? @14:41
😂 was it on purpose or inevitable? We don't know..
It is about giving the right answer, whereever it comes from, science, Philosophy, making a guess. I hate that each group is riding their old horses, protecting their field.
All these different practices should really find the value in each other and work together to understand a lil bit more of our weird existence
Excellent episode
"... multiple universes.. that anything that can happen must happen"... That actually would support the Anselm's argument.
Mind isn’t an inevitable outcome of a universe, a universe is an inevitable outcome of mind.
Just a little reminder, no matter where you live on earth, what color your skin is or religious beliefs, we are all immortal, spiritual beings of light, who love and cherish each other. You have just forgotten who you are and where you’re from and that we are one collective source of energy from a different realm and dimension. Your consciousnesses and your soul are one in the same.
Earth is not your true home and the ‘real you’ wasn’t born here. The place your consciousnesses goes when you die or cross over, as some like to say, is going back to your ‘real home’. It’s simply a matter of closing your eyes here and reopening your eyes there, It is instantaneous to us.
Every human on the planet will all eventually see what I’m saying is absolutely and undeniably, 100% correct and true. Again, one day you will all see that every person on this planet comes from the same realm of existence and have been around since time immemorial. All of us are one collective source. Think of yourself as a raindrop and everyone else as the ocean. Again, we are all one.
You have lived many, many lifetimes through reincarnation, hundreds or possibly thousands of times. More than likely, you have been every race, gender and lived from every time period. Again, you are immortal and have died many times throughout history.
When it’s time for your soul to return to earth, you and your soul guardian (Spiritual Guide) will pick your life’s blueprint of what you’re going to do and accomplish, including who your parents are going to be. Your aren’t meant to remember this in your human life, but discover these lessons throughout life. God will put people in your path to help you along your way. The journey to achieving success and fulfilling your goal’s will help grow your soul immensely.
If everyone was just told what they had to do, or easily remembered, they would just rush to get through it and go back home. They wouldn’t be able to properly get what was needed out of life. The one thing I do know for absolute certainty, is that the core learning for each soul, is the ability to love one another and show compassion for each other, no matter who they are, or where they’re from.
For each of us, once you have accomplished these goals set by God, your Spiritual Advisor and you, you will only come back if you want to, and if you feel like you lack in some other area of your life.
Please stop the wars and fighting amongst each other and start to love and cherish one another. Pray to the Heavenly Father daily and read his book and his message daily. Spread his word of love and repent any sins. Ask him to come into your life and guide you on the path of salvation and healing.
We are spiritual beings having a physical experience, not physical beings having a spiritual experience. The last words Jesus spoke on the cross: ‘Father, forgive them; for they do not know what they are doing’.
If you need any other perspective or guidance, watch the episodes called: (The Ghost inside my Child), and NDE’s, (Near Death Experience) testimonials. A lot of these are on UA-cam, but you can also find some on the premium’s as well. I watched complete episodes of ‘Ghost’, on Prime. All the NDE episodes, I watched on UA-cam.
My first testimonial I watched about a year ago, was of a Neurosurgeon named, Eben Alexander. He was in a coma for 2 weeks and died several times from meningitis. After listening to his hour long testimony, I just started watching everything I could find on the topic, before long, I was a changed person.
People that were born blind or deaf, could see and hear perfectly during their NDE. This one woman I saw had died on the operating table for about 5 minutes and had been born deaf, when she was brought back, she was able to tell all her family and doctors, exactly what they were talking about in the operating room, the whole time she was clinically dead. She wrote down word for word what each of them had said and done for 5 minutes.
They were all in shock, how could she know what they said if she was dead and deaf since birth? These testimonies are simply amazing.
If you’ve ever had a family member or close friend die accidentally, perhaps from drowning or on the operating table, for example, ask them if they had an experience on the other side. Most have, they just don’t like talking about it because of the ridicule. Even doctors don’t want to hear about it, cause it goes against everything they were taught in school.
For most people, it’s the same as believing or talking about aliens. They just can’t except something that goes beyond what their mind can comprehend. I can totally understand that to, cause I use to be the same as them.
Watch as many of the episodes as you can, because you will get a broader, more detailed understanding of what it’s all about and what’s to come. Everyone has a different experience and will witness and see a vast range of environments, it’s all determined by what god feels you need at the time of your NDE. This will completely change your life for the better and you will never fear life or death again. It will give you a complete sense of peace and perspective, that you have never felt before. I use to believe that when you died, it was just lights out and that’s it, nothing more. Good grief, was I wrong!
You will become exponentially more compassionate towards people and animals. You will learn to love yourself first and foremost. I completely understand if you can’t and/or won’t initially except some of what I’m telling you at first. But I do hope and pray that you will try to expand your mind from what you’ve been taught.
I’ve had some ask me about the situation with babies or young children and cancer or illness, disease and ‘why god takes them at such a young age’. Saying, ‘how’s that fair, they didn’t do anything to deserve that’ or ‘why would they pick a life just to turn around and die’.
I initially had issues with all that as well, but over time and learning, it became clear that sometimes the life blueprint that’s picked, is not always about you, but those you choose to be born unto. A mother or father may need to experience/learn humility or sacrifice and yes, sadly the suffering for the loss of a child, just to name a few.
I know it sounds cruel but for whatever reason, it was ultimately necessary and Gods plan. We’re not meant to know or understand everything, that’s essentially in Gods hands. I was a devout nonbeliever and hardcore sceptic, (as most people are these days) when I first heard about this, but the more knowledge you learn and acquire, the more you will realize it all to be true and not just a ‘nice story’, as one guy responded back to me recently. Please don’t ignore this, it has everything to do with why you’re here.
Some things are true whether you believe them or not. I would like to say though, that I’m not in any way an expert on the subject or claim to know everything, not even close. I encourage you to do your own research and come to your own conclusions. Sorry this was so long, I’m just really passionate about this topic now. God Bless You!
On the XY plane, scientists are connecting points to draw curves away from the origin, eventually, the curves will come back to the origin, and so do philosophers.
Well, they have to find a way to make a living like everyone of us.
Fine tuning comes from meaning in universe, sustains life.
If the universe is like 2nd floor of a building...
Mind is like ground floor
Consciousness is like foundation
@Al Garnier But what about the conscious state during sleep and anaesthesia.
Nice Model !
My model is:
ATCG is like ground floor
or basement
Consciousness is like Escalator
Mind is like foundation or/and ground
Possible universes does not mean that all possible universes must exist. There could be a limited number of universes that have similar properties. They don't have to be so diverse. The answer is we dont know.
But the less possible universes that exist, the more improbable it is that our fine-tuned universe should exist. So if it's important not to believe in the existence of God, it seems we need put our faith in the existence of a limitless number of universes.
@@billwassner1433 that doesn't follow at all.
@@dustinellerbe4125 I believe it does follow. For the closer the number of universes approach to one, the progressively less probable would be the fine-tuned constants of our universe coming about randomly.
@@billwassner1433 why would it be random? The universe(whatever it is made up of) still has a nature. Where do you get it would be random?
Are you saying God can be random too? Or do you special pleading for a God concept?
@@billwassner1433 one more thing, any possible universe would be a determined one. It can't be on a list as a something without it being a determined whole. They are all different and determined to be different by its characteristics, unless you want to claim that a universe can only be one way. Then you're still stuck with determinism.
No matter how you slice it, it is a leap of faith to decide that there is a god, and Russell and Inwagen are examples that show that you can be very well educated and still delude yourself. Why does the universe have to be logical? Why do humans demand that it make mathematical sense to humans? These things hold us back in the quest for explanation.
Pratyabhijnahrdayam
Before anyone can decide or guess that the universe is one of an infinite number, or if we are fine-tuned or not, we have to prove or disprove the "observer effect" in quantum mechanics. If the observer effect is proven, then this is not the argument they should be having. If we create reality, if observers forces the waveform to collapse, why the need to know if this universe is fine-tuned or not. The universe is created, formed, and changes by through an observer.
Take a look at "einselection", or environmentally induced selection, an interpretation of quantum mechanics that says there is no actual collapse but a decoherence of the quantum superposition caused by interaction with a macroscopic measurement device.
I like Alan Watts view on it all.
We are all still the expanding bigbang. Just a more complicated pattern of the first waves. So we are all just one big ripple. So is our consciousness really one. We just have our perspective of our one. Because its merged with the human form. Reincarnation is merly the same consciousness manifesting in a different pattern. Like the same song on a different time. Same but different. With different memorywaves.
Just as the oceans waves, does this universe peoples. Who are we, the infinite emptyness behind your eyes. We are the universe looking at it self through your eyes.
24:00 You’d be crazy to believe anything significant on the basis of a philosophical argument.
Very well put. The only notion I probably disagree with is how the Big Bang ties into this. More and more research is pointing to the Big Bang not being an absolute beginning. Either way completely agree with the rest, very interesting
@@vudusid9137 also true, although I don’t think this viewpoint should be taken to the extreme of rejection of philosophical inquiry. Yet it does help humble people, specially the ones who think they figured it all out
Alan Watts ! ? !........please don't be
ridiculous ! A con artist and plagiarizer of Eastern philosophy .
He does not belong in any serious
discussions relating to consciousness. !
@@2msvalkyrie529 Alan Watts is considered a Master among Spiritual Masters. If you don't understand his simplest Spiritual Truths - then You are not as bright as you consider yourself. That's OK. One day (or lifetime) you WILL 'get it'. In God's Perfect System, we are ALL heading to the same place. Of this you have no choice - BUT He/She/It will NEVER force you.
The theological explanation for fine-tuning cannot be an explanation as much as some may want it to be for two very important and rather obvious reasons:
1. If there's fine tuning required, then it's not really a God that's deciding, it's the laws above HIM that have already decided. He's just dialing the knobs because it can't seemingly be done automatically.
2. Who designed or fine tuned the God to be allowed to make us? What makes him so special?
These two statements completely remove the theological explanation of a designer.
Most likely the universe is the way it is because that's the only choice and dialing of knobs is a just a mathematical consideration, nothing more. Or they all happen in multiple universes.
both the groups are just guessing
The fact that life and mind exist means they were inevitable.
Because human life is so late to the dance, so to speak, it would seem that we were not the purpose of the fine tuning. if the universe was in fact fine-tuned for a particular type of life, that type of life would have occurred early on at the direction and will of the "fine-tuner" whereas we are late comers, simply reaping the benefits intended for some long distant predecessor.
Brud, I agree but what if the universe is not as old as scientists think it is?
Pratyabhijnahrdayam
Yes
Excellent......thanks 🙏.
Without Life and Mind would there be any reason for the Cosmos to exist ?
The cosmos does not require reason to exist and it did exist for millions of year without any life or mind in it
Simeon Valenti That seems to suggest that life and mind were not inherent in the Big Bang theory, mind is not inherent in the atom and life comes from LIFE not from matter suggesting a higher source of consciousness and mind to perceive the cosmos as a reality aside from the quantum mechanics of energy and matter, that’s my perception anyway, yours is probably different and that’s ok......
@@humblegrenade118 you need mind to perceive the cosmos, but that cosmos does not require your or any mind to keep happily existing. As far as if there's any reason for the cosmos to exist, well sure, maybe, we don't know yet. This is like asking, what caused the big band? Nobody knows. This is what I think. Please take none of what I am saying, as an attack on your personal beliefs or world view. Me personally, well I just like to go with what science says.
Does anything qualify to be inevitable any moment in the cosmos?
We don't need any multiverse to reject the argument of "fine tuning". I don't see any fine tuning. I just see a planet that had conditions that allowed a very few forms of life to appear and evolve into what they are now.
If those conditions were slightly different, there might be something else instead.
That doesn't mean any of that was tuned or that things had to be this way.
The best quote ever: Anything is possible accept our existence. ~Me~
Fine tuning focuses on intelligent life (us) but ignores the extremephobes that inhabit extreme environments of temperature, pressure, radiation, acidity, alkalinity and a lack of sunlight.
When considering all life on Earth, fine tuning can be interpreted to mean that life is possible in every corner of the Universe and is diverse.
Further, does mind require organic life as a prerequisite or does consciousness sometimes exist independent of body.
Largest living organism on a planet might be oceans. Sea water is not like a normal water we drink here on surface of a planet, it full of tinny organisms, minerals and organic materials, eroding everything and turn what is left into a sea mud. I know, it takes a lot of imagination to visualize a giant symbiot like that, but this is what life is in purest form. Those organism covered all land and air long ago, who knows what oceans are capable of other than giving us weather, seasons and oxygen to breath, no mater how much nature we destroy. Oxygen level is always about the same and fills all air, that's very, very weird, super fine tuned chemical reaction.
We're always on the boundary of its this or that. Sometimes I wonder if its really possible to know the answers we seek. Like we've always got just enough understanding of things to see it either way, and never enough on one side to make it seem like the obvious answer.
Yes. But you are not going to find it at this Chanel. Have you heard of Pratyabhijnahrdayam? Combine this with the teachings of Jesus. Jesus understood the reason for diversity. It is why he talks about love each other.
Go with what your gut says.
People say that the Universe must be exactly right for life, but actually the universe is a fractal so it will always end up the same way every time. The fractal comes when you push spherical objects together such as pool balls. You always get 6 sphere around 1 sphere of the same size. This fractal creates the periodic table, and all physics in the Universe. If you look at a snowflake for example it has that fractal. If you look at a human it has the same fractal with a missing tail, but humans did evolve with a tail, and evolved to lose the tail, so we originally had the snowflake fractal. Our hands, and feet have the fractal if you include the wrist, and ankle. So this repeating pattern from sphere pushed together is everywhere, and it changes chaos into order. It's quite obvious therefore that the Universe is a simple repeating pattern with nothing complicated, so life will appear every time.
Since we do not know what mind is, and are apparently very far from understanding how life began, how can we know if these are inevitable?
unless conciousness is immaterial and fundamental
@@mrcollector4311 Definitely immaterial. How fundamental is not clear to me, but maybe very.
You can imagine an universe with brief existence and so "finely-tuned" properties that is full of life & mind indistinguishable from magic.
Maybe the earth is special. A womb that has brought fortht the gift of life and hence considered blessed among the countless planets!
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Evocative as always. My take is that you don’t need a multiverse if you have a repeating universe, or if universe one can spawn universe two through white holes, for instance. Then all you need is infinite time, as universe after universe is created, until the parameters are perfect for our kind of life. The Multiverse concept just makes it happen much faster, perhaps almost instantaneously, perhaps an infinite number of times. God is not required but also not prohibited, although this god would likely be literally outside of the universe and unable to affect anything past the moment of creation. In short, bearing absolutely no resemblance to any of the thousands of gods on earth.
Try billions of God's on this planet. Jesus said "Have I not said that ye are gods". What else would you expect from the children of God?
"Blessed are they who have not seen, yet believed." John 20:29
I am not suggesting blind faith, but faith is a major part of it. The evidence of God is all around us. We see His work in nature. We feel His work in our lives, our conviction of sin or the avoidance of a car wreck.
We have heard and believe the gospel-that we are sinners and God gave His Son up to take our punishment.
We have weighed all of these things carefully and believe that God exists.
“Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you.
- Matthew 7:7
Even with the 'designer' the question why it has to be exactly that way is still on. Could the whole thing have been different? If not, does the system dictate to the allmightly what settings he had to chose for it to work? So who's in charge then?
Life evolved in this environment as the environment it's self evolved. Since they co evolved it seems fine tuning would be the natural result!
"The fine-tuning of the universe is a big conundrum."
But is there a fine-tuning at all?
I think any life that gets to the point to ask the big questions will think that their particular universe was made for them.
You took word's right out of my head.
Hopefully life will get past that lol
Dr. Bas Ackwards I’m not sure there has to be a reason. There’s probably universes with different parameters that can’t sustain life. Likewise, there’s other universes different to ours than can sustain life - and they are just as likely to think that their universe was made for them.
@Dr. Bas Ackwards This has some truth to it. You can answer some questions about your Being through meditation. People have known truths for thousands of years.
Science is now answering a lot of questions within our consciousness but will never be able to answer what is consciousness etc.
@@angrynorway You are falling into fantasy and speculation. This Universe was made for us. You probably believe the laughable big bang theory, that everything always existed, just in a condensed form. This is just the same concept of God, but you take intelligence out of it.
Maybe a fine tuned universe would produce a better species than us humans. We don't seem all that special to me right now.
They always leave out the final consideration - the values may not be a landscape at all. It may be a mistake or illusion to conclude that they could be another but what they are anyway. It's only our mathematical perception and considerations about life that we start arguing that they could be different somehow.
This question only makes sense if it does not see the cosmos as triune; Consciousness; Mind; Elements.
As Chinese philosophy has it nothing happens without three. The materialist perspective that the elemental is fundamental and is responsible for all else is a view that elemental oneness morphed into three creating a universe and entities to a non-existent prototype.
Materialists like to see themselves as realists but how realistic is this perspective?
Fine tuning must be an ongoing process. We, obviously, are very, very far from being fine tuned. Yes - we are more intelligent and enjoy luxuries much more than lets say what neanderthals have in the past, but to be really truly fine tuned, wouldn't we have a constant feeling of the utmost bliss and live forever? And - just because we are not fine tuned (yet), perhaps millions of other planets in the universe contain beings which are fine tuned. We are very fine tuned as compared to protozoa. Yes?
There are no other universes, because they couldn't form without the laws of physics. Without time and space there isn't anything.
Love this channel but boy are these comment sections always rife with misinformation and good old mumbo jumbo.
If there other universes with different laws of physics, what cause it? There should be "a substance" which define or have a role for that. And that substance would have presence in all of universes. More than that, will have to see its control, otherwise the laws of physics would constantly change.
Why do we imagine that there’s anything arbitrary about the fundamental constants of Physics? They look arbitrary tabulated out on paper, but the Universe is not the appendix of a Quantum-Mechanics text book!
Kind of arrogant to think the best reason some God could come up with to create a universe is us!
The big unanswered question in the universe is why Frank combes-over the tufts of hair on the left side of his head
ARE life and mind inevitable....
Keyword----- " ARE" ....
Picture life as water if a puddle, what that exact number of water molecules that fits perfectly into a mud puddle. Is the puddle designed for that exact amount of water molecules comfotrably or did water just so happen to fit into that size puddle.
Good content, thanks.
Editor - why do we spend so much time looking at the host when he's listening to an interesting speaker. I recommend you consider either focusing the camera on the guest speaker, or back up the camera to show both of them, so we can pay attention to whoever we want - which in my case will ALWAYS be the guest being interviewed. You already show the host a lot walking around pondering things, rest assured, we get that. Please don't over do it.
I dont see how we can know something that is unknown.
Believing in a creator means that something as complex as a creator can exist without emerging from simplicity over time. This is very familiar, but hard to accept for those of us who are dazzled by the wonders of evolution and of mechanistic natural law.
The best secular hypothesis I can come up with requires an incomprehensible number of universes with natural laws that vary innumerably in calibration (many more universes could have inconsistent natural laws, or laws that could never lead to what we have through calibration); and the inexplicable coincidence that consciousness, which has no affect on the universe, seems to anyway. Consciousness "appears" to be finely-tuned as well--perhaps it is often not present, or usually does not enable the kind of apparent clarity and correspondence we have.
A third possibility is that there is perhaps just one universe, that all substance is conscious, that more complex levels of consciousness coexist with less complex levels. Natural laws can be understood as well-established conventions of entities [or some word for generic lives] pursuing their preferences, being reinforced by the mental activity of more complex entities. A universal psychology would need to be developed to make this more plausible. I believe this is correct, and see this as mechanistic. I know this will seem far-fetched to most. I rely partly on mystical experience, including my own sense of the presence of God (loosely defined) during times of meditation, when transported by sublime beauty, or when appreciating the phenomenon of true love/compassion. There is the obvious possibility of my believing what I want, since we tend to do this. If I am deluded, it is a useful delusion.
So you went deep down inside your conscious self and found God there, not origins of self? Weird world.
@@xspotbox4400 Not exactly--Sometimes I find myself within a loving presence that might be called God; or connected to people and/or nature by a fundamental compatibility or rapport. It's not about my being special.
@@davidbrown6340 It's amazing, isn't it, when mind get released from all tensions, there's happiness and bliss deep down. It's like our mind can return into primordial form, when brains began to grow in our mother's womb, not being aware of larger reality outside, mind is about to became a part of after we're born. No wonder, if mind is relinquished from self and material existence, it feels joy in presence of energy because if there would be nothing, than mind wouldn't have anything left to attach to and enjoy the only sensation possible.
How many big bangs were their befor the current? How many more will their be?.time is meaningless without being aware so in the infinite big bangs befor and after or infinite multi verse their will always be a being that your living threw knowing that this is the NOW.when we die time is nothing so even if it takes a infinite amount of big bangs to create a living being that you acknowledge your current state then some sort of awareness from a physical being that your living threw will always exist currently from your prospective.I belive.
Religions say that God is limitless, boundless. Then, it follows that he created countless universes in the "past", and will continue to do so. This implies that God doesn't need to intend anything for those universes. Some will produce life and minds, most won't. Life and minds are not fundamental forces, so they won't develop in most universes.
There is supposed to be no such thing as a dumb question but this one comes close. For those who don't believe in God - you can drop out now. I happen to KNOW that God IS for sure, without a shadow of a doubt. God Created the Universe from His own BEING and so it is not inaccurate to state that God IS the Universe ( including US). Consciousness is the Mind of God. Its a mind shared with us (made in His image) and is only limited in us by our level(s) of consciousness. When we talk of evolution, it can be used as evolution of the body(brain) AND consciousness of the soul - which is somewhat dependent on the evolution of the brain in order to perceive our consciousnesses levels.
I do NOT buy into the multiverse. Possible other universes only exist as possibilities in the Quantum field. This Universe is the only one that we need to concern ourselves with. 🙏❤️
Life and mind not seem inevitable from cosmos, derived from consiousness.
The video asks: "Is Life and Mind Inevitable in the Cosmos?"
Well, if we consider the possibility that the cosmos may very well be created from the very essence of life and mind, and that the infinitely malleable fabric from which the cosmos is woven is simply the substance and means through-which life expresses itself, then the question is silly.
Yes, but we have no good reason to believe that possibility is true, so the question still remains, and it's not a silly one.
Plato Plato and Plato.
Is God inevitable in the Cosmos ?
Another flawed question. Here, let us help you. "Is life and mind inevitable in the Multiverse?"
Robert - you caved in too quickly on this notion that fine-tuning can not be experimentally established. In fact, the fine-tuning theory, is an example that relies almost entirely on mathematical analysis which yield probabilities that no one has successfully challenged. Fine tuning is one of the best scientific theories of the modern age. Unless, of course, you want to insist on the unlikely, being the sole criterion of a truthful scientific theory. That is absurd. As for the minister that claims the new support for multiverses somehow discredits fine tuning as being a support for theism - that is demonstrably false. In fact, the existence of a multiverse cries out even more for a fine tuning explanation. What is the mechanism that can generate so "finely tuned" a phenomenon as the multiverse. The multiverse is an even more elegant example of the need for fine tuning.
I think you're asking the question upside down... You have anthropocentric approach (the same logic that got us thinking that the Earth is the center of the Cosmos). I believe the truth is something like this: the Universe is not fine tuned for life - the life is fine tuned to its Universe!
Clever ! However if you turn it around, the question becomes :'Why is life fine fine-tuned for the universe ?' Is it there god who fine-tuned life, or is this just one universe ...etc, etc. ;)
@@spiritualanarchist8162 It is fine tuned for the universe because it evolved to survive...Darwin called it adaptation. It's simple, if it didn't fine tune itself it would have died (like many species perished in the history)
@@IvicaAnteski Yes i understand that. All i'm saying is that when one turns the question around, the theist can still use the same 'fine tuning ' argument .
@@IvicaAnteski I should ad, the whole 'fine tuning' argument is not so much about explaining life on earth, but the existence of everything in the universe as it is .Without the fine tuned universe , we would have no universe at all. a few digits off, and there would only be proto plasma ( or something similar ) That's what the fine tuning argument is about.
God doesn't explain anything, because it's even less likely that a perfect maximally good/powerful etc being would just exist without any cause.
Haha, so an eternal creator is implausible, but energy is eternal and with out cause?
@@michaelstevens8143 that does seem more plausible to me, to be fair. Remember, if energy is eternal, it wouldn't need a cause, because there would never be a time before it existed, so there's no point saying "without cause". You can't cause something to exist if it has always existed.
So, in my mind, it comes down to - what's more likely to just exist, some basic natural process (such as energy) or a concious perfect maximally good/powerful/trustworthy etc being with desires, and who has an interest in creating universes.
Now, perhaps our thought process is different, and you think the second option is more likely to just exist for no apparent reason, but, if I had to guess (and that's all we can really do with the information we have) I would guess that energy is more likely to exist for no reason, rather than anything concious let alone a perfect God.
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If you randomly starts writing gibberish code, eventually given enough time, you would stumble upon a combination of code that produces a calculator, that’s given, but who created the language that allows you to code a calculator to begin with? Same with math, it’s all math, but who or what created the language that lets math produce results, a universe or anything at all, that’s the question. Why something instead or nothing. Without a language, there’s no coding to discover.
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What if most life in the universe is highly intelligent and we are a particularly stupid species.
If at the death throes of a universe what would intelligence do to survive, if the universe is infinite in time, maybe life as knowing too well the universe will be cold and dead, created this one to live on, if humans can oneday terreform the galaxy, why not a intelligence terraform and create a universe
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Funny that they can accept being created, but only if they do not have to submit to the Creator and His authority.
Fine tuning is not used to prove God, instead it questions to validity of the complexity of the material world happening without being directed to be as it is.
anybody but Sean Carrol....
Maybe there's a god in one of those other universes. Then everybody is right. Anyway, for now we just have life on one planet, so let's not get ahead of ourselves and claim the whole universe is filled with life yet.
We have to be fine-tuned before we can determine if the universe is fine-tuned.
Are we really intelligent?
Oh yeah?? .
By whose metric?
What do you mean - "fine tuning the Universe" - whatever is that? Is that something you do?
You used some AI for this vid?
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"Is Life and Mind Inevitable in the Cosmos?" ...I don't know, is they? hahaha
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Is Life and Mind Inevitable in our physical body ?
Is Mr. Kuhn's mind fine-tuned for speculations ?
Cosmos is a Motion-Ocean, Stuff-side, pure motion,
No one have seen the Life behind the Motion-Ocean.
What?
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Too polite...!
Reincarnation events now studied by many investigators (Ian Stevenson for example) conclusively prove that Consciousness is independent of Brain.
5:36 this interview sounds like a Midnight Gospel episode.
No, it’s not.
Is this that just-so perfect universe made exactly what we need, or one just good enough to allow life to struggle a purchase on these galactic shores?
Nothing natural at all? What is natural and where did natural come from
@Closer To Truth....please finish the sentence. God is ..... ?
Tell me what the denominator is and I will tell you what the odds are of us being here. NO philosopher or theologian can do that, so - - - , I say, the question is unanswerable at present.