Lex Fridman on math and science in the Soviet Union
Вставка
- Опубліковано 4 лют 2025
- Lex Fridman Podcast full episode: • Jordan Ellenberg: Math...
Please support this podcast by checking out our sponsors:
Secret Sauce: wondery.com/sh...
ExpressVPN: expressvpn.com... and use code LexPod to get 3 months free
Blinkist: blinkist.com/lex and use code LEX to get 25% off premium
Indeed: indeed.com/lex to get $75 credit
GUEST BIO:
Jordan Ellenberg is a mathematician and author of Shape and How Not to Be Wrong.
PODCAST INFO:
Podcast website: lexfridman.com...
Apple Podcasts: apple.co/2lwqZIr
Spotify: spoti.fi/2nEwCF8
RSS: lexfridman.com...
Full episodes playlist: • Lex Fridman Podcast
Clips playlist: • Lex Fridman Podcast Clips
SOCIAL:
Twitter: / lexfridman
LinkedIn: / lexfridman
Facebook: / lexfridman
Instagram: / lexfridman
Medium: / lexfridman
Reddit: / lexfridman
Support on Patreon: / lexfridman - Наука та технологія
I’m in a advanced math program for high school students, the program and the whole institute are run and taught by this Russian mathematician and his wife (both math PhD’s) in their living room.
The Man is tough and really strict, if you get stuck he likes to let you know that what you consider to be “advanced mathematics” is actually 6th grade math how it was taught in the Soviet Union 😂😭
could you please share the name of the program ?)
@@mablakulova it was a small local math program in my town that the man did in his spare time, its not a well recieved and prestigious scholar society if that is what you mean. as I said, he did all of this in his living room.
What grade are you?
@@michealliu8969 I've already graduated from high school, but I'm still eager to continue improving my math knowledge )
Back in the stone age (the early '90's) I took some computer science classes. I remember, whenever we struggled with the course work, the go to folks for help mostly came from the former Soviet Block countries.
That’s super interesting !
And they are some usa idiots who trolls the soviet tecknology and this bullshits and give me nerves .besides the idealogy soviets were brilliant scientist bthats a fact they were better than usa in education
I'm from a former satellite state of the USSR which basically copied their education system, and I remember how we were taught math, we focused on actually understanding the formulas and theorems, often proved the formulas as an exercise and it wasn't about just plugging numbers in the formulas to spit out some number.
Soviets wanted mathematicians for weapons and space research
@@Squish_that_cat soviets wanted every person to be educated, well-developed in many directions, and finally make a stake and an impact in the democratic centralism scheme. See famous Lenin quotes context (!) "Learn, learn, and learn!" and "We are not utopians. We know that an unskilled labourer or a cook cannot immediately get on with the job of state administration. We demand that a beginning be made at once in training all the working people, all the poor, for this work." I don't assess the feasibility of the soviet ideas here, but just provide a true motivation of that people, how they thought of it as an alternative to what we think of them now.
Don't know where you're from. Everything has changed here. Alas, Math has become a Cinderella of all the subjects.
Although i dislike very strongly both the former Soviet Union and the ideology on which it was founded, they definitely had a few good things going for them.
The emphasis on scientific education by the state and the way that was viewed by the wider society is absolutely one of them and the world would be a better place if that was the case everywhere.
Ok ideology of equality is bad wow.
@@historyeditz8326 Yeah, because that was the ideology. "Equality". That and nothing else... Okay...
You should definitely read up on this "ideology" if you haven't already. You'll find that it's very relevant to the modern day. Even the very basics such as the manifesto, wage-labour and capital, state and revolution, and imperialism are worthwhile, even just out of intellectual curiosity.
Death to communism
Hail hindu nationalism
I love Dual at Dawn and all of Amir Alexander's work. Read it!
he was not an EMO, he died on a duel
If designed correctly, public schools will keep most students far away from higher forms of education.
good book touching on this is Red Plenty
yep, yet he doesn't count in how many sacrifices does it cost. A LOT.
LOL: Lex: "americans idolize persons that are able to throw a ball into a basket" ...
Lex can you interview Bob Lazar please
Mathematics is just a tool, not the main purpose of life. It is a tool for exploring the world, for being able to expand our basic perception abilities. If mathematics is used for making the World a better place - it is moral. If it is used for marxist purposes - they'd better not use it at all.
Marxism is good. Shame on you capitalist for not taking math and science seriously.
@@aomorzon I am taking science as serious as it can be successfully applied for expansion of our perception ability, and for making our life better in qualitative approach. Not for mystical shit and "historical analysis"
@@TyyylerDurden history matters. Education matters. Hard work matters. Money matters. Human life matters. Critical thinking matters. Problem solving matters. Creativity matters. Intelligence matters.
@@TyyylerDurden really even science has history.
@@aomorzon when a man say that mathematics its just a tool i suggest you dont even aswer him his dummy iddiot . mathematics is the universe laughage . Tell him
I feel like soviets just wanted people good at math so they can make better weapons not because of the idealistic view Lex has,hehe.
Thats a very low IQ take
@@categories5066 The fact that soviet society was in complete poverty proves the point that the state just wanted smart people to provide a strong military.
@@OrochiShaka ask all soviets who was poor cut the rocky 4 propaganda movies
If the soviets invested that much in the military it was because they had a lot of enemies who wanted to destroy their political system.
Straight up facts
They produce high leve scientist and engineers but forgot ideology and BS economics while americana built a so much better ecosystem yo flourish. That's way although the Gap was huge America won.
Sovien union diddnt have goldman sack federal to cut them money from nothing and paying your taxes to you grandchilden for ever .not yo mention your heath system witch is bullshit at least soviet union had free education free health system .do you know how many ainstains were died in the usa because your shitty system is sucks because a smart kid witch is carsed to grow up in a poor family a diddnt have the money to go to college how many smarts kids gone .let you remind you the rasist and how many people you looked up in prison most of them for bullshits reason because he dont have money to make the deal with cort because its all business in your country witch of course you are not the greatest country in the world .you are the canser to the western people like me . Sweden is great country norgey is great country singapury japan but of course not you
What an idiotic hubris of the defeated
Communism is gay
America is falling behind China .
1st
nobody cares
High level science and math under communism is like having a high level engine with a shitty drivetrain… the system will eventually breakdown. Science and math needs the creative freedom that comes with economic freedom like in capitalist society. Forming a reenforcing feedback loop with each other
We see capitalist freedom you know there was a man who created car engine which use water as fuel but the man was found dead afterwards and we still use fossils to run vehicle because capitalism works on money and if water engine was implemented then no profit on the other hand Soviets heavily invested on science that is why they are able to achieve so many things regarding space technology, aircrafts and there are many inventions by Soviets you can check on Wikipedia because science is basis of Soviet union rather than some supremacy or dogmatic religions.
Now you eant to tell you the bad thing of capitalism because the night inst enough to tell you . And am socialist not communist
Do you know all the economic and financial constraints scientific researchers have to deal with under capitalism? They get paid barely liveable wages, are forced to work insane hours both teaching and doing research, and need to constantly publish papers that appeal to big corporations in order to get funding. The only "creative freedom" you have under capitalism is the freedom to starve or the freedom to work.
> Economic freedom under capitalism
More like “do what is profitable and profitable alone, don’t do anything creative, only those that is profitable”. Soviet communism was way more free for science because it was just more free. That’s why socialist regimes have overall more educated and scientifically excelling people. Every. Single. Time.
Hubris of the defeated