I’m a real estate shooter and this was a great review Josh. For gimbal work, the sigma is tough to balance with the s5. If you like low or underslung shots, good luck. That said, I just shot a real estate video where I needed f2.8 at iso 8000. The 16-35 is tempting weight wise but I’d rather have the wide aperture options vs the lighter weight and longer focal length.
For my sigma 14-24 f/2.8 I bought Haida Rear ND filters and they work fine :) Also, when You vlog in 4K60 on Panasonic S5, those 14mm become 21mm which is still quite wide. Thanks for the review Josh. Your colour grading rox!
Nice review Josh! Yea, I have that Haida kit as well for my 14-24. I really like having the filters in the back. Only slight drawback I've noticed is I find them a bit tricky to carefully remove without touching them to leave fingerprints the first times switching them out. I think I got a method of tilt down, but in a hurry switching them out, I've touched the filter or even dropped them. Not perfect, but I think I like it better for wider lenses as when I used front filters on my Canon 16-35, they would vignette a bit, depending on the screw on filter size.
Yes, I've used the Haidas on my 14-24 as well. They do work well, but a little fidgety. On my 16-35, I'm currently experimenting with Freewell magnetic NDs. Super fast and convenient, and seem to have very little color cast and are very sharp/contrasty. However, while one filter produces no vignetting at 16mm, two will create some, requiring me to shoot at 17mm.
I just bought the Panasonic 16-35mm f/4 for my Leica SL2-S. This is a great lens. it is really well made and the image quality is amazing even when I compare it with my Leica 24-70 2.8. One of the good points is that you can get very close to your subject and get almost macro-quality photos. I highly recommend it.
Despite being a 2-year old video, it’s still incredibly useful. I was looking at the 16-35 for my s5iix so I can keep my 14-24 for my S1H and my 24-70 for my other S1H so I can have a vlogging camera and two run and gun cameras haha
my sigma 14-24 came with filters that you put on inside the lenses rear glass element which isn't ideal but works fine. I find with the widest end the edges of the images aren't always in focus and a little soft but it's my workhorse and happy with the extra 2mm. Good video
16-35mm would be my choice. Native = focus linearity and throw. Plus the reach to 35mm is my most used focal length. Wait what? I already have a 20-60mm. I don't need a new wide lens at all, I need that 35mm 1.8!
In my opinion it is a deal breaker when a lens has no filter thread. When you want to film outside you are screwed and when doing landscape photography you will also need a filter at some point
Yeah I sort of agree with you on this one. Of course there's work arounds for this particular lens, but generally speaking I like to be able to slap a filter on the front without any questions!
Hey Josh, Very good video! What do you think about the LUMIX S 24 mm F1.8 Lense For vlogging? Is there any difference in AF oder Stabilisation? Thanks and regards from Germany :)
A banger after another At this point whenever there's someone looking for Lumix lens recommendation I'd gladly point straight to you mate Imo I'd still pick the 16-35,mainly cause filter holder and having to carry around 4x4 filter just seem like a pain to deal with. My grandfather still shoot with his D850 and Nikon 14-24 so I know firsthand lol
Thanks for doing this comparison Josh. I’ve been waiting for someone to do it! I use the Sigma 14-24 on the S5 extensively on a DJI RS2. I do own the Haida rear ND filters but never used them on a job. With wide angle you want deep focus, not shallow, so you can see all that amazing width compression packed into the background ? I’ve never found an environment where I couldn’t control exposure by just stopping down and reducing ISO. If I want shallow DOF i’ll go 70mm+. The focal range on the 16-35 is pretty attractive but I really love the je ne sais quoi Sigma optical quality.
I guess the only reason you'd go to a shallow DOF is simply for vlogging or when there's literally no light present in the scene. But I do agree that I prefer to use a deeper focus when shooting ultra wide :D
@@fabian_99 I haven’t tried it in auto focus and I wouldn’t rely on auto focus with any Lumix camera. For use on the gimbal, having the zoom range allowed me to compromise field of view/ lateral compression/ barrel distortion to suit different situations without messing around keeping the client waiting changing primes and rebalancing the gimbal. Also you can get an exact focal length in the range when sometimes with primes you want something between what you have. The extra stop of light on this lens as opposed to the Lumix allows me confidently to kill fluoro lights that will cause flicker and push the ISO to get enough exposure with minimal noise. Any other noise I clean up in post with the Neat Video plug in. I rate the Sigma. It’s a beast. But i only use it manual focus.
I just got a Panasonic S5 and love it. Its so much better than my Sony a6300. But on my old Sony i had a nice color workflow and i liked the look with the Phantom Luts. Now on the S5 i just filmed a video in Vlog and used Color Space Transform to Rec 709 and i hate the colors. Everything looks so blueish with a purple tint in the shadows. Also with some luts from 55media i am not happy. Honestly i am kinda desperated because for me nothing is worse than bad colors
I actually came from using the A6300 and A6400 as well, so I feel like I can relate to you a lot in terms of how much better the S5 is in comparison! If you're looking for the best Rec709 Conversion LUT for V-Log, check this one out: gamut.io/product/panasonic-conversion-lut-v-log/ By far the best one out there :)
@@Zmywak But how does it compare to Resolve Color Space Transform? I noticed that most Luts are almost the same as CST and i dont want to drop money again on Luts. You can burn so much money there
The 16-35 is my favourite wide angle lens, it’s super light , very good AF and extremely sharp. Even though I haven’t used the Sigma 16-28 f2.8, I’d probably still choose the 16-35 :)
@@JoshCameron appreciate you my man. Just got the s5 last night, powered it up and was so pleased to see the first photos of the sigma 28-70. Now I just gotta see if I want that 16-35? Or that classic-to-be 35 1.8. Thanks again brotha
Depends on what you think you’d get more use from mate! Both the 16-35 and the 35mm prime are fantastic. I love them both 🙌🏼 I would say that I personally get more use from the 16-35
Very nice comparison. Thanks! Just curious, as a real estate photographer who JUST BOUGHT and S5 and got it today, which Photo Style (STD, VIVID, NAT,...) do you use for real estate photography (I'm shooting HDR using JPEGs)? It defaulted to natural when I first turned the camera on.
@Josh Cameron hi your videos are great informative.I am planning to buy S5 for specifically Music Videos to shoot at 60fps..so which first lens should i go with..also if possible plz tell a budget lens option too..waiting for your reply...
There are actually three options for L-Mount: there’s also the Leica Super Vario Elmar 16-35. Just saying in case you think two kidneys are overkill and you’re ready to sell one…
Hi Josh, great video as always ! I was wondering if you could tell us more about sunstar's performances concerning those two lenses. I am fond of this photo style and it is really hard to find reviews on this particular use of wide angle lenses. Thanks a lot !
Another "dark-horse" option is the Sigma 12-24 F4 in EF mount. The Sigma MC-21 allows the use if drop-in filters (search on Aurora-Aperture) so that you can avoid the monster square filters. Of course, no AF-C, and it's a beast. But if 14mm isn't wide enough, it's worth considering.
I could never make up my mind between these two. Anyway, instead I had to spend $5000 on my work van. That solved the lens problem. I would predict that Sigma will overhaul their two ultrawide lenses soon and design something like the Laowa 15mm f2 (which is rather unsharp, I am being told by astro photographers). Thanks!
The laowa 15mm f2 is very sharp if focused right and/or stopped down, although I never used the 2 zoomlenses for comparison. But what I can say for sure is that the sunstars the laowa produces are so much nicer than those of the zoomlenses (10 point vs 22 point). That and the extra stop of light kept me with the laowa lense although sometimes I wish I had a more versatile zoom lense
@@dannykrzewski2885 Thanks for the heads up. I think there might be huge quality differences at Laowa. I have seen some pretty unusable focus at f2. If I didn't want one with a fast aperture, I would just bite the bullet and get the Lumix 16-35. I would try a Laowa in the shop, but my nearest photo shop is a 1000km round trip away. Something to put on the back burner 👍 Cheers!
Seemingly.... and personally I think I might prefer the Sigma (with a caveat)....but the Panasonic lens is 300g lighter, physically smaller, has a wider focal range and has better native autofocus (particularly for video if you're into that) and uses standard filters. If these attributes are more important to you than the f/stop gain then maybe there is a case for the Panasonic. There is the issue with the bulbous front element which is a turn off on the Sigma, for me anyway that front element makes the Sigma much less desirable.
I’m a real estate shooter and this was a great review Josh. For gimbal work, the sigma is tough to balance with the s5. If you like low or underslung shots, good luck. That said, I just shot a real estate video where I needed f2.8 at iso 8000. The 16-35 is tempting weight wise but I’d rather have the wide aperture options vs the lighter weight and longer focal length.
Depends on the gimbal maybe? I use the Sigma 14-24/S5 lots on a DJI RS2 and it balances easily.
If your gimbal struggles to balance that setup then let me introduce you to a simple concept........magnetic counter weights. Thank me later.
For my sigma 14-24 f/2.8 I bought Haida Rear ND filters and they work fine :) Also, when You vlog in 4K60 on Panasonic S5, those 14mm become 21mm which is still quite wide. Thanks for the review Josh. Your colour grading rox!
Ah awesome I haven't seen those filters before but i'll check them out!
Thanks for watching, and for the kind words!
@@JoshCameron I have tried out many and find K+F Blackmist Pro 1/8 most helpful for a dreamy look.
Nice review Josh! Yea, I have that Haida kit as well for my 14-24. I really like having the filters in the back. Only slight drawback I've noticed is I find them a bit tricky to carefully remove without touching them to leave fingerprints the first times switching them out. I think I got a method of tilt down, but in a hurry switching them out, I've touched the filter or even dropped them. Not perfect, but I think I like it better for wider lenses as when I used front filters on my Canon 16-35, they would vignette a bit, depending on the screw on filter size.
Yes, I've used the Haidas on my 14-24 as well. They do work well, but a little fidgety. On my 16-35, I'm currently experimenting with Freewell magnetic NDs. Super fast and convenient, and seem to have very little color cast and are very sharp/contrasty. However, while one filter produces no vignetting at 16mm, two will create some, requiring me to shoot at 17mm.
Why would you want to vlog in 60p?
I just bought the Panasonic 16-35mm f/4 for my Leica SL2-S. This is a great lens. it is really well made and the image quality is amazing even when I compare it with my Leica 24-70 2.8. One of the good points is that you can get very close to your subject and get almost macro-quality photos. I highly recommend it.
Despite being a 2-year old video, it’s still incredibly useful. I was looking at the 16-35 for my s5iix so I can keep my 14-24 for my S1H and my 24-70 for my other S1H so I can have a vlogging camera and two run and gun cameras haha
my sigma 14-24 came with filters that you put on inside the lenses rear glass element which isn't ideal but works fine. I find with the widest end the edges of the images aren't always in focus and a little soft but it's my workhorse and happy with the extra 2mm. Good video
16-35mm would be my choice. Native = focus linearity and throw. Plus the reach to 35mm is my most used focal length. Wait what? I already have a 20-60mm. I don't need a new wide lens at all, I need that 35mm 1.8!
Hahaha the 35mm 1.8 is an awesome choice :)
Dude I’ve been looking for this exact comparison!! You are the man!
Wahey! Glad I could be the one to deliver it for you! Thanks for watching bud :)
I purchased the Sigma and it's awesome.
Thanks for a great video. I just bought an S1 last night. I love the color in your videos. Subscribed.
Awesome , you're gonna love it! It's a great camera. Thanks for the kind words and for subscribing, truly appreciate it :)
In my opinion it is a deal breaker when a lens has no filter thread. When you want to film outside you are screwed and when doing landscape photography you will also need a filter at some point
Yeah I sort of agree with you on this one. Of course there's work arounds for this particular lens, but generally speaking I like to be able to slap a filter on the front without any questions!
true story bro
You can get an ND kit that fits ND in the rear side of the lens, it's really very simple.
amazing video and comparisson! Thanks a lot for these videos.
Thanks for watching buddy :)
Hey Josh,
Very good video!
What do you think about the LUMIX S 24 mm F1.8 Lense
For vlogging? Is there any difference in AF oder Stabilisation?
Thanks and regards from Germany :)
A banger after another
At this point whenever there's someone looking for Lumix lens recommendation I'd gladly point straight to you mate
Imo I'd still pick the 16-35,mainly cause filter holder and having to carry around 4x4 filter just seem like a pain to deal with. My grandfather still shoot with his D850 and Nikon 14-24 so I know firsthand lol
Thanks for doing this comparison Josh. I’ve been waiting for someone to do it! I use the Sigma 14-24 on the S5 extensively on a DJI RS2. I do own the Haida rear ND filters but never used them on a job. With wide angle you want deep focus, not shallow, so you can see all that amazing width compression packed into the background ? I’ve never found an environment where I couldn’t control exposure by just stopping down and reducing ISO. If I want shallow DOF i’ll go 70mm+. The focal range on the 16-35 is pretty attractive but I really love the je ne sais quoi Sigma optical quality.
I guess the only reason you'd go to a shallow DOF is simply for vlogging or when there's literally no light present in the scene. But I do agree that I prefer to use a deeper focus when shooting ultra wide :D
did the sigma lens work well with the S5in terms of auto focus ? or how would you decribe its strenghts and weaknesses in this combo?
@@fabian_99
I haven’t tried it in auto focus and I wouldn’t rely on auto focus with any Lumix camera. For use on the gimbal, having the zoom range allowed me to compromise field of view/ lateral compression/ barrel distortion to suit different situations without messing around keeping the client waiting changing primes and rebalancing the gimbal. Also you can get an exact focal length in the range when sometimes with primes you want something between what you have. The extra stop of light on this lens as opposed to the Lumix allows me confidently to kill fluoro lights that will cause flicker and push the ISO to get enough exposure with minimal noise. Any other noise I clean up in post with the Neat Video plug in. I rate the Sigma. It’s a beast. But i only use it manual focus.
@@the_black_douglas9041 ahh ok thank you for the detailed answer
panasonic 16-35mm is the best one! I dont like wide angles though! Great video Josh, as always. We love Lumix
Thanks Andreas!
That Sigma looks so good!
Baught the 16-35 f4. Love it ! Period ! 😉
I love it too :D
For night landscape with stars Sigma is better. F 2,8 and F4 is big difference!
"Girth?" omg I cracked up. maybe...bulk? lol.
Thanks for the review. I got the 16-35mm f4 and autofocus is reasonable
I've got this lens, but I feel, this isn't as sharp as the sigma 24-70/f2.8. It's a little bit soft lens, it's normal?
Only in the corners and I noticed a bit of distortion. I never tried the sigma 24-70
hey this video is like made for me right now ^^ i am in that right position to buy one of these lenses, think i go with the panasonic option ;)
Great review Josh! I have noticed you are using this on S1 and I have S5, so the results will be different? Thanks!
I use both the S1 and S5, and I can confirm the results are pretty much identical :)
I just got a Panasonic S5 and love it. Its so much better than my Sony a6300. But on my old Sony i had a nice color workflow and i liked the look with the Phantom Luts. Now on the S5 i just filmed a video in Vlog and used Color Space Transform to Rec 709 and i hate the colors. Everything looks so blueish with a purple tint in the shadows. Also with some luts from 55media i am not happy. Honestly i am kinda desperated because for me nothing is worse than bad colors
I actually came from using the A6300 and A6400 as well, so I feel like I can relate to you a lot in terms of how much better the S5 is in comparison!
If you're looking for the best Rec709 Conversion LUT for V-Log, check this one out:
gamut.io/product/panasonic-conversion-lut-v-log/
By far the best one out there :)
I agree. I use gamut LUT for all my videos recently.
I use Cine-D a lot as well as HLG and love the colours.
@@Zmywak But how does it compare to Resolve Color Space Transform? I noticed that most Luts are almost the same as CST and i dont want to drop money again on Luts. You can burn so much money there
Damn, i like your color grading, whats your ND filter and settings?
16-35 is on sale right now till the 23rd on BH for $1k. Would you take the 16-35 vs the new Sigma 16-28 f2?
The 16-35 is my favourite wide angle lens, it’s super light , very good AF and extremely sharp. Even though I haven’t used the Sigma 16-28 f2.8, I’d probably still choose the 16-35 :)
@@JoshCameron appreciate you my man. Just got the s5 last night, powered it up and was so pleased to see the first photos of the sigma 28-70. Now I just gotta see if I want that 16-35? Or that classic-to-be 35 1.8. Thanks again brotha
Depends on what you think you’d get more use from mate! Both the 16-35 and the 35mm prime are fantastic. I love them both 🙌🏼 I would say that I personally get more use from the 16-35
@@JoshCameron totally agree. I do corporate events both video and photo, I think that wide will give a variety of shots. Many thanks!
Got the Sigma F2.8 for Aurora photography
Very nice comparison. Thanks! Just curious, as a real estate photographer who JUST BOUGHT and S5 and got it today, which Photo Style (STD, VIVID, NAT,...) do you use for real estate photography (I'm shooting HDR using JPEGs)? It defaulted to natural when I first turned the camera on.
@Josh Cameron hi your videos are great informative.I am planning to buy S5 for specifically Music Videos to shoot at 60fps..so which first lens should i go with..also if possible plz tell a budget lens option too..waiting for your reply...
NOW Sigma make a 16-28 f/2.8 with a filter thread at the front so there you go.
Chefs kiss!
Do you have the chance to use the Leica SL 16-35 for comparison?
What about Sigma 16-28 F/2.8 L-mount?
That hadn't came out at the time of making this video, but now would be a brilliant option for the money :)
What is the best remote control for Lumix S5 please ?
There are actually three options for L-Mount: there’s also the Leica Super Vario Elmar 16-35. Just saying in case you think two kidneys are overkill and you’re ready to sell one…
AHAHA! I didn't even remember the Leica option, but to be honest who has that sort of money so technically still only two ;'D
3:44 Did you close IBIS at this time?
Hello! Tell pls what light did you use during shooting yourself on this video?
I used the Weeylight Ninja 200 :)
@@JoshCameron And how far do you keep the lamp from yourself? and do you use a softbox? and What color temperature are you using?
Hi Josh, great video as always ! I was wondering if you could tell us more about sunstar's performances concerning those two lenses. I am fond of this photo style and it is really hard to find reviews on this particular use of wide angle lenses. Thanks a lot !
2.8 is hell of better than 4.
How is the wobble between the 16-28 vs. 16-35?
16-28 would be worse for corner wobble I'd say. 16-35 does a great job
I likes a girthier barrel, I do 😉
Hahaha!
Another "dark-horse" option is the Sigma 12-24 F4 in EF mount. The Sigma MC-21 allows the use if drop-in filters (search on Aurora-Aperture) so that you can avoid the monster square filters. Of course, no AF-C, and it's a beast. But if 14mm isn't wide enough, it's worth considering.
Oo awesome! Yeah that's a great idea for those who don't need the AF-C :)
I could never make up my mind between these two. Anyway, instead I had to spend $5000 on my work van. That solved the lens problem.
I would predict that Sigma will overhaul their two ultrawide lenses soon and design something like the Laowa 15mm f2 (which is rather unsharp, I am being told by astro photographers).
Thanks!
PS: I adapted a Canon EFS 11-18 and at about 14mm I get reasonable results for B&W situations such as promotional photography with the S5.
The laowa 15mm f2 is very sharp if focused right and/or stopped down, although I never used the 2 zoomlenses for comparison. But what I can say for sure is that the sunstars the laowa produces are so much nicer than those of the zoomlenses (10 point vs 22 point). That and the extra stop of light kept me with the laowa lense although sometimes I wish I had a more versatile zoom lense
@@dannykrzewski2885 Thanks for the heads up. I think there might be huge quality differences at Laowa. I have seen some pretty unusable focus at f2. If I didn't want one with a fast aperture, I would just bite the bullet and get the Lumix 16-35. I would try a Laowa in the shop, but my nearest photo shop is a 1000km round trip away. Something to put on the back burner 👍
Cheers!
That is not true! There is also the Leica 16-35mm !!
Ah my mistake!
200 pounds less and one f/stop more.Plus Sigma image quality. That's a wrap...unless you are a Panasonic funboy.
Seemingly.... and personally I think I might prefer the Sigma (with a caveat)....but the Panasonic lens is 300g lighter, physically smaller, has a wider focal range and has better native autofocus (particularly for video if you're into that) and uses standard filters. If these attributes are more important to you than the f/stop gain then maybe there is a case for the Panasonic. There is the issue with the bulbous front element which is a turn off on the Sigma, for me anyway that front element makes the Sigma much less desirable.