Having Patrick Stewart do the "not love at first sight" speech gets even more interesting when you bear in mind how many times you said Disney wanted Stewart for films where the main characters always do exactly that.
I know this may be unpopular, but I actually like this episode. Now I’m not saying it’s great, but the idea of an alien race not understand simple human concepts just seem cool to me. (Also the Worf fight scene makes me smile)
That had to be a crazy time for the scriptwriters and showrunners, my goodness. I had a good laugh with Troi and Worf's trips with the aliens and food, and anger. That made it alright for me. As for Picard's part, you don't even have to reverse the genders to say that she's sexually violating his boundaries and should be charged. The nature of the experiments too would be of the order of the unethical experiments of last century were they not aliens. This is where the alien premise comes in handy though, this becomes intercultural.
You say that they asked Patrick Stewart and Brent Spiner for script ideas and got nothing but I remember hearing around the time the season was made that it was Stewart who suggested a rematch with Daimon Bok which became the epsode Bloodlines.
I had always assumed that the Iyaarans had not evolved naturally, but rather had been engineered much like the Vorta would later be established as. And that the elements of basic nature they were unfamiliar with were just like Jem'Hadar being unfamiliar with longevity. But I really liked the version of the Hurq' presented in DS9: The Sword of Kahless over the version presented in STO. So your mileage may vary.
I basically forgot this episode even existed. Normally, I know the episode from the title; but, it took until you got to the Picard fangirl part of description for me to remember it
Uh.....No. The script for this episode was not done after generations. They were literally writing all good things while writing the generations script and had some issues with getting aspects of each confused with each other as a result, which is specifically brought up in the generations dvd extras
A lot of people like to call Season Seven "The Year They Ran Out of Ideas". I've never thought that was fair. I've always preferred to think of it as "The Year of Auto-pilot". Most of the episodes (not all - there are some really bad clunkers in here) have at least some potential. The problem is that that potential was never brought out. And now knowing that most of the staff's attention was focused either on DS9, VOY, or "Generations", that makes a lot of sense. This episode falls squarely into that category. If they had ejected the whole Picard and crazy woman plot and just made it a straight-up comedy with only the Worf and Troi plots, it might have worked. If they had ejected the Worf and Troi plots and focused squarely on the Picard plotline, maybe something could have been made out of it. As it stands what we're left with is an almost perfect encapsulation of Season Seven as a whole - a mostly dull, boring, meandering episode that never really achieves lift-off but isn't really "that" bad. There are a few humorous scenes that save it somewhat (like Data telling Worf that his is demanding, temperamental, and rude as well as Worf's "You see?! You see?! They are insane!"), but overall it's an awfully average outing. 5/10
Yeah I remember this episode as pretty meh. But you're right, there were still some good scenes. I can picture that ambassador offering her the chocolate tray in her stunned silence.
WHY WON'T YOU LOVE ME!? I always found this episode to be weird but ultimately enjoyable. The crazed fan on a planet was always painful to watch but I always loved the shipside plot. Not a bad episode by any means and not good either. It just kind of exists and when I pull it up because I forget which episode Liaisons is I always say OH THIS ONE! and watch it instead of changing the episode. It's no Code of Honor that's for sure. It is strange though that the bad episodes in season 7 still have a polish that early bad episodes lack, and I think that goes a long way to making them more palatable.
Honestly, I don’t know what to think about this episode. It seems like the whole thing is poking fun at prior seasons of Star Trek while also introducing the very weak episodes to come… I don’t even know if it’s ironic. I’m glad Worf got to punch a guy and it all worked out. I did find it amusing that they went 11 hours of battle in the holodeck, and Worf’s just like “yeah, it was cool.”
Question... Is 7 seasons a "magic" number? Were TNG, DS9, and Voyager "canceled" or were 7 seasons always the destined? I wonder because season 7 of TNG, in my opinion is the weakest of the 3, but was it always guaranteed in anticipation of Generations. I only ask, because I think DS9 and Voyager seem to end abruptly and probably could have had an 8th season. But I wonder if TNG essentially being the flag ship of the return to TV, 7 was the expectation and maximum.
I think I'd do pretty much what you described -- forgive it once and set up some extremely clear boundaries going forward. Also Star Trek Fangirl who's in wuv with Captain Picard? I have no idea what that's like, nuh uh.
I would probably do the same thing, really. Give them a pass this time, inform them that this is not acceptable behavior and than next time there will be further consequences after some display of what those consequences might be.
Hello Lorerunner, what is true about, that they want to destroy Enterprise-D at the beggining of season 7 (or end of season 6) and this would be basically end of TNG? I know that they already "hate" working on Enterprise-D model and they want for movie came with whole new starship, which she came in Star trek VIII.. So what´s your thought regarding this?
Braga did one of those puff piece HBO making of things where he bragged about how it was time to "get rid of that old ship'. He looked pretty happy about it too. Also, the crash sequence was laid out in the TNG tech manual and said the saucer would be "unsalvageable" .
So...the production team was split three ways and going to the actors for story ideas? Wasn't season seven the season they had to ask all the actors to come back for? And we all wonder why almost all of the series went downhill at this point...
Those two little words, "LOVE MEEEEEEEE!", in the teaser, probably drove away viewers as any scene out of context has led to numerous youtubr videos. The actual episode isn't that bad. But it's not that good either... top-half but not by much.
Summary: As alien dignitaries visit the ship, Picard's shuttle crashes on a desolate planet where he meets a woman, Anna, who has been stranded there for seven years. Then she starts to act strange... In the mean time Worf and Troi has to deal with the antics of the dignitaries. (well, there are worse episodes.)
for me season 1 is as bad as i remember, and the first time i was watching TNG, i just stopped watching it because the first season was so bad i couldn't stand to watch another episode
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My favorite line from Season 7 was easily: "Ya see...ya see, they are INSANE!" Absolutely hilarious, Worf!
It becomes more hilarious in retrospect given that he's the one who actually ends up as a high level diplomat.
"I would disembowel you if you weren't an ambassador..
Having Patrick Stewart do the "not love at first sight" speech gets even more interesting when you bear in mind how many times you said Disney wanted Stewart for films where the main characters always do exactly that.
I know this may be unpopular, but I actually like this episode. Now I’m not saying it’s great, but the idea of an alien race not understand simple human concepts just seem cool to me. (Also the Worf fight scene makes me smile)
Some good episodes of season 7: Lower Decks, Pegasus, Parallels, Thine Own Self, Preemptive Strike, All Good Things
I have to admit except for All Good Things and Pegasus i like none of those. Specially Lower Decks
The best scene is Worf carving the meat, brandishing the butcher knife, looking half-crazed.
At this point I saw the description of Liasons and was like "nuuupe seen this before"
15;15. Data tells Worf that him and the ambassador have lots in common: rudeness, aggression, etc.
This episode was probably like Second Contact with this race, and the food thing was more the sensation of gluttony or enjoyment of ones food.
That had to be a crazy time for the scriptwriters and showrunners, my goodness. I had a good laugh with Troi and Worf's trips with the aliens and food, and anger. That made it alright for me. As for Picard's part, you don't even have to reverse the genders to say that she's sexually violating his boundaries and should be charged. The nature of the experiments too would be of the order of the unethical experiments of last century were they not aliens. This is where the alien premise comes in handy though, this becomes intercultural.
You say that they asked Patrick Stewart and Brent Spiner for script ideas and got nothing but I remember hearing around the time the season was made that it was Stewart who suggested a rematch with Daimon Bok which became the epsode Bloodlines.
I had always assumed that the Iyaarans had not evolved naturally, but rather had been engineered much like the Vorta would later be established as. And that the elements of basic nature they were unfamiliar with were just like Jem'Hadar being unfamiliar with longevity.
But I really liked the version of the Hurq' presented in DS9: The Sword of Kahless over the version presented in STO. So your mileage may vary.
1:00 LOL. Michael Pillar, can you come to HR for a talk? Bring your things and shut down your computer.
I basically forgot this episode even existed. Normally, I know the episode from the title; but, it took until you got to the Picard fangirl part of description for me to remember it
Love Monday morning runs
Worf's foster brother was mentioned in first season.
Uh.....No. The script for this episode was not done after generations. They were literally writing all good things while writing the generations script and had some issues with getting aspects of each confused with each other as a result, which is specifically brought up in the generations dvd extras
A lot of people like to call Season Seven "The Year They Ran Out of Ideas". I've never thought that was fair. I've always preferred to think of it as "The Year of Auto-pilot". Most of the episodes (not all - there are some really bad clunkers in here) have at least some potential. The problem is that that potential was never brought out. And now knowing that most of the staff's attention was focused either on DS9, VOY, or "Generations", that makes a lot of sense.
This episode falls squarely into that category. If they had ejected the whole Picard and crazy woman plot and just made it a straight-up comedy with only the Worf and Troi plots, it might have worked. If they had ejected the Worf and Troi plots and focused squarely on the Picard plotline, maybe something could have been made out of it.
As it stands what we're left with is an almost perfect encapsulation of Season Seven as a whole - a mostly dull, boring, meandering episode that never really achieves lift-off but isn't really "that" bad. There are a few humorous scenes that save it somewhat (like Data telling Worf that his is demanding, temperamental, and rude as well as Worf's "You see?! You see?! They are insane!"), but overall it's an awfully average outing.
5/10
Best Scene Data and Worf
Yeah I remember this episode as pretty meh. But you're right, there were still some good scenes. I can picture that ambassador offering her the chocolate tray in her stunned silence.
WHY WON'T YOU LOVE ME!?
I always found this episode to be weird but ultimately enjoyable. The crazed fan on a planet was always painful to watch but I always loved the shipside plot. Not a bad episode by any means and not good either. It just kind of exists and when I pull it up because I forget which episode Liaisons is I always say OH THIS ONE! and watch it instead of changing the episode. It's no Code of Honor that's for sure.
It is strange though that the bad episodes in season 7 still have a polish that early bad episodes lack, and I think that goes a long way to making them more palatable.
They should have turned into some sort of energy being at the end, saying we don't understand corporal beings.
Honestly, I don’t know what to think about this episode. It seems like the whole thing is poking fun at prior seasons of Star Trek while also introducing the very weak episodes to come…
I don’t even know if it’s ironic.
I’m glad Worf got to punch a guy and it all worked out. I did find it amusing that they went 11 hours of battle in the holodeck, and Worf’s just like “yeah, it was cool.”
Question... Is 7 seasons a "magic" number? Were TNG, DS9, and Voyager "canceled" or were 7 seasons always the destined? I wonder because season 7 of TNG, in my opinion is the weakest of the 3, but was it always guaranteed in anticipation of Generations.
I only ask, because I think DS9 and Voyager seem to end abruptly and probably could have had an 8th season. But I wonder if TNG essentially being the flag ship of the return to TV, 7 was the expectation and maximum.
I think it was, as part of the golden age of Trek, but the writers ran out of stories as well. Both Voyager and DS9 built up to the final though...
I think I'd do pretty much what you described -- forgive it once and set up some extremely clear boundaries going forward. Also Star Trek Fangirl who's in wuv with Captain Picard? I have no idea what that's like, nuh uh.
I would probably do the same thing, really. Give them a pass this time, inform them that this is not acceptable behavior and than next time there will be further consequences after some display of what those consequences might be.
The best part of season 7 was the Troi cake.
Mmmhhh... cellular peptide cake. With mint frosting!
Hello Lorerunner, what is true about, that they want to destroy Enterprise-D at the beggining of season 7 (or end of season 6) and this would be basically end of TNG? I know that they already "hate" working on Enterprise-D model and they want for movie came with whole new starship, which she came in Star trek VIII.. So what´s your thought regarding this?
Braga did one of those puff piece HBO making of things where he bragged about how it was time to "get rid of that old ship'. He looked pretty happy about it too.
Also, the crash sequence was laid out in the TNG tech manual and said the saucer would be "unsalvageable" .
Season 7 was of TNG was a season of TNG, what more can be said?
So...the production team was split three ways and going to the actors for story ideas? Wasn't season seven the season they had to ask all the actors to come back for?
And we all wonder why almost all of the series went downhill at this point...
I don't remember this episode at all.
PEGASUS?
Those two little words, "LOVE MEEEEEEEE!", in the teaser, probably drove away viewers as any scene out of context has led to numerous youtubr videos. The actual episode isn't that bad. But it's not that good either... top-half but not by much.
Summary: As alien dignitaries visit the ship, Picard's shuttle crashes on a desolate planet where he meets a woman, Anna, who has been stranded there for seven years. Then she starts to act strange... In the mean time Worf and Troi has to deal with the antics of the dignitaries. (well, there are worse episodes.)
This is a dumb episode. Alas not the worst that the season has to offer... #GhostSex
for me season 1 is as bad as i remember, and the first time i was watching TNG, i just stopped watching it because the first season was so bad i couldn't stand to watch another episode