Love the video. Thanks for showing off your 87A! If I may, I have found it easiest to remove the bolt by: 1) Pull the handle about halfway back, and pull the trigger to release the hammer. Then ease the handle forward. This releases spring tension. 2) Just as you did, unscrew plug. Remove hammer/pin. Pull handle back then remove. Use back of firing pin to push bolt back more. Here I have found it helpful to just work the trigger a little as you push the bolt out with the pin. It has made it a lot easier for me anyway... I repaired my neighbor's Savage 887 which is very similar. I had to take the entire trigger apart to replace the springs. I agree with you, it isn't fun but it's not too bad with practice. I have built two 87A's for myself from the receiver out. That is a ton of work. The lifter lobes have to be timed to the bolt to work properly. I wish the bolts closed up a little tighter but it doesn't seem to be a problem. Work on extractors isn't bad on the 887's, but the ones on the 87A's can be a major pain. My 87A's and my neighbor's 887 are all more accurate than any 10/22 I have ever fired. My dad's '68 model 10/22 is almost as good. Admittedly I have not shot a "target" model 10/22. Using Lapua Midus+ ammo, iron sights, at 25yds I put 10rnds inside a dime with my 87A that has the original sights. Some of the best iron sights I've ever used on a 22. I'd post pictures if I could. These are some of the best and most fun to shoot 22 rifles I have ever had the pleasure to shoot and work on. [Dear ATF, I do not sell these. Nor do I charge my neighbor for fixing stuff. It doesn't leave his position. Please don't raid me and murder my family in the middle of the night.]
Your correct on taking bolt. I have found out pulling the trigger is best. Wish I had your knowledge on taking them down. Your so right on these rifles on being so accurate. I need to find me the correct mount for optics on my 87A. Weaver makes one just don't know which one. Thanks for watching and info on the rifle
I think it is the Weaver N2 & N3 mounts for this model. I think the N2 is a low mount and the N3 for a high mount. I don't recall if those are for 1" tube scopes or the older weaver scopes with the smaller tube (were they 3/4"?)... I plan to take one of my 87A's and cut a dovetail on the top. The cutter just came in last week. I have to re-blue that receiver anyway. I don't like hot bluing, but it's not too difficult. I plan to put some of the Leupold rings on it where you can look under the scope to use the iron sights. Hopefully I don't screw it up! 😬
I agree, the old times are behind us buddy. Some of these new ones look good but the old stuff has a place in my heart. I guess cause I'm getting old too😁
3:31 My 87 cycles shorts, longs, and long rifles. I think it’s an N model, tube feed, bought it secondhand in the 90s. It’s been reliable and I like the nostalgia of it.
Out of curiosity, does yours have one of the "lightened" bolts/hammers? When getting parts for mine on Numerich and Jack First I noticed the made bolts & hammers that had been extensively machined to cut their weight by removing all the metal possible while maintaining structure & function.
Hey Matt, I was just looking at it. Wooden stock, only two slots “gills” on the left side and one on the right, it has a bolt hold open hole but not hold close hole. The bolt handle isn’t that big knurled knob, it’s slim and rounded. Following the handle it has a flat side. Also, the safety is button under your thumb. The barrel has Springfield Savage with 22 HS, short, long, long rifle as auto. The model number looks like either 87 or a sloppy 1 followed by 87 and N. It came with a 22 scope from Japan. Have no idea when it was manufactured. Back when, I shot short, long, and long rifle and repeated several times with no failures. But it was all standard velocity stuff and I don’t remember the bullet weights. Point of impact did move accordingly with cartridge length, up and down. Although I don’t shoot it much I really like it. I had researched semi-auto 22s that would fire shorts this one was affordable so I snapped it up. Hope that helps.
Sounds like the 87N or 187N. They are basically identical. Both were offered with standard weight and "lightened" bolts & hammers of various designs. Whatever the case, it's pretty neat that you can cycle standard shorts (usually 27-29 grain bullets). Thanks for letting me know. Cheers!
When I was a little kid grandma had a old BB gun with a stock made out of that stuff it set for so long in the house it put a curve in the stock there was no ac in the old farm house so I’m sure it just got to hot over the years
Always a few on GunBroker, but there are at least a dozen variations of these old rifles. Ive gotten near complete parts kits there (minus receiver) for $20-$75. Complete guns seem to currently for for $125 to $250. Really Really Nice ones for more, and "needs work" ones for $100 or less. I'm always watching for them even though I have 3 now. Great guns.
After working on several and building two 87A's, I'm convinced that every single gun like these 87A's had a gunsmith fitting every part for each and every gun. Jack First is more expensive, but has great part availability. One of my builds I had to make the lifter from scratch. The lobes must be timed to the bolt and when you build from mixed parts it takes a lot of fitting. The angle of the tang on the trigger housing also matters. Some of the model variance are easier to change the lifter spring than other. Some take 4 separate hands to install!
Numerich and Jack First both have lots of parts for these. I have built 2 from scratch using these suppliers. Jack First is generally more expensive but have a much wider variety of stocks available. Keep in mind that there are at least a dozen variants of these rifles from Sears, J.C. Higgins, Savage, Stevens, and likely others. You should be able to find what you need but it may require a little fitting. Also keep in mind other parts may need fitting work if you have to replace anything. I have also found a lot of parts for these on GunBroker through some of the "Gunbuster" sellers. That is one of the cheapest ways to get parts if you need a lot of them.
Just found a Springfield/Stevens 872 in 22 short only. Internally it looks to be made as well as a short only Winchester 74. It's an interesting gun and far from cheaply made.
Wow good find. Would like to find one. Your correct the Springfield/Stevens line of guns yrs back were made very well. I look all the time at pawn shops and small gun shops to see if they have older rifles by these companies. The short only would be a fun gun for sure
I'm just glad we can actually find 22 short ammo again. I have an old EIG/FIE Titan pistol in 22 short and it is very ammo picky. Unfortunately several ammo manufacturers have been putting out lots of 22 short with less than great primer fill over the last few years. Getting better though.
I have an 87 D that I found in my dad's war chest of old rifles. S his 87d was located, was not in perfect shape, so i figured i would clean it up. I remover the knobby bolt holding in the weight and the firepin,. The spring was exposed slightly, however the spring and the bold would not move a bit to be removed to clean. is it worth bringing it to a gunsmith to repair. I know its an old great gun that i shot as a kid, but not sure it it is really expensive to repair. thak you for your time and help. Bob
Always some on GunBroker. "needs work" ones for $100 and under. Functional ones from $125 to $250. Really nice ones for $450 or so. Always check the pictures and read discription well. Ask for more photos if they don't have many. Sometimes they need work. Usually just a really good cleaning. The ones with this kind of stock always go for much more $ than the wood stocks. Also keep in mind that there are many very similar 22 rifles of the "click-clack" and "gill-gun" design. J.C. Higgins 25; Sears 25 & Sears Ranger 101.16 (I think); Savage/Stevens/Springfield 6, 60, 76, 80, 87, 187, 887... And I'm sure many others. This stock seems to be the most rare from what I've seen.
Sadly. I have never seen one of these stocks for sale by itself. Only with the complete rifle and they tend to go for much higher prices. For $99, you sure got a great deal on yours. It's a beauty, even without the bluing 😉
Bom dia Tenho um rifle desse modelo da fabricante americana Savage , que na minha opinião de rifle 22 é o melhor por possuir as duas funções, semiautomático e ferrolho e boa capacidade de munições , além de usar as duas munições , longa e curta
Agreed. I think they are basically identical. There are dozens of very similar variants of these guns out there. If there is a difference between the 6a and the 87A, I haven't found it.
It could be the bolt knob pull. It has a detent on it to hold in position of pushed in or out. If not I would look at Numrich gun parts. Or maybe someone is selling one on E bay
Numerich has some, but rarely the original design ones. Jack First is more expensive, but they have good reproduction handles. The original handles are harder to find but I have the reproduction ones on both of my 87A's and they work great.
@@scottmorgan1016 That is Right Scott use to do a lot of Gun Trading over the years around here all the old time Gun trader are gone sure do miss them Day Have A Great and Safe Week
Love the video. Thanks for showing off your 87A! If I may, I have found it easiest to remove the bolt by: 1) Pull the handle about halfway back, and pull the trigger to release the hammer. Then ease the handle forward. This releases spring tension. 2) Just as you did, unscrew plug. Remove hammer/pin. Pull handle back then remove. Use back of firing pin to push bolt back more. Here I have found it helpful to just work the trigger a little as you push the bolt out with the pin. It has made it a lot easier for me anyway... I repaired my neighbor's Savage 887 which is very similar. I had to take the entire trigger apart to replace the springs. I agree with you, it isn't fun but it's not too bad with practice. I have built two 87A's for myself from the receiver out. That is a ton of work. The lifter lobes have to be timed to the bolt to work properly. I wish the bolts closed up a little tighter but it doesn't seem to be a problem. Work on extractors isn't bad on the 887's, but the ones on the 87A's can be a major pain. My 87A's and my neighbor's 887 are all more accurate than any 10/22 I have ever fired. My dad's '68 model 10/22 is almost as good. Admittedly I have not shot a "target" model 10/22. Using Lapua Midus+ ammo, iron sights, at 25yds I put 10rnds inside a dime with my 87A that has the original sights. Some of the best iron sights I've ever used on a 22. I'd post pictures if I could. These are some of the best and most fun to shoot 22 rifles I have ever had the pleasure to shoot and work on. [Dear ATF, I do not sell these. Nor do I charge my neighbor for fixing stuff. It doesn't leave his position. Please don't raid me and murder my family in the middle of the night.]
Your correct on taking bolt. I have found out pulling the trigger is best. Wish I had your knowledge on taking them down. Your so right on these rifles on being so accurate. I need to find me the correct mount for optics on my 87A. Weaver makes one just don't know which one. Thanks for watching and info on the rifle
I think it is the Weaver N2 & N3 mounts for this model. I think the N2 is a low mount and the N3 for a high mount. I don't recall if those are for 1" tube scopes or the older weaver scopes with the smaller tube (were they 3/4"?)... I plan to take one of my 87A's and cut a dovetail on the top. The cutter just came in last week. I have to re-blue that receiver anyway. I don't like hot bluing, but it's not too difficult. I plan to put some of the Leupold rings on it where you can look under the scope to use the iron sights. Hopefully I don't screw it up! 😬
Great ol rifle!! I have a Springfield 87.
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Good channel YES!!
These old plinkers are cool. Thanks for watching
Nice old Rifle I had the 87m years ago wished I hadn’t traded it off Stay Safe Stay 2A Strong 🇺🇸
That is a nice gun. Very cool action and stock. I like these old curio and relic guns.
Me too Mitchell, thanks for watching
Good evening hillbilly I really like that older stuff. They all rifles and pistols just had a look to it. 👍👍👍🙏
I agree, the old times are behind us buddy. Some of these new ones look good but the old stuff has a place in my heart. I guess cause I'm getting old too😁
Scott Hillbilly. Good video. Interesting how all that works together. Thanks for sharing. Take care.
Thanks for watching take care
Interesting operating system! Thanks for sharing Scott!
Thanks for watching buddy
Thanks for the video Scott I really love that old gun
Thanks for watching
That was pretty cool seeing how everything works. Always learning something watching your videos.
Thanks for watching take care
3:31 My 87 cycles shorts, longs, and long rifles. I think it’s an N model, tube feed, bought it secondhand in the 90s. It’s been reliable and I like the nostalgia of it.
Sounds awesome. Mine use to cycle shorts. But I now shoot shorts in single action
@@scottmorgan1016 haven’t tried Quiet-22 yet. Thought I saw it in shorts too. Do they still make CB caps?
Out of curiosity, does yours have one of the "lightened" bolts/hammers? When getting parts for mine on Numerich and Jack First I noticed the made bolts & hammers that had been extensively machined to cut their weight by removing all the metal possible while maintaining structure & function.
Hey Matt,
I was just looking at it. Wooden stock, only two slots “gills” on the left side and one on the right, it has a bolt hold open hole but not hold close hole. The bolt handle isn’t that big knurled knob, it’s slim and rounded. Following the handle it has a flat side. Also, the safety is button under your thumb. The barrel has Springfield Savage with 22 HS, short, long, long rifle as auto. The model number looks like either 87 or a sloppy 1 followed by 87 and N. It came with a 22 scope from Japan. Have no idea when it was manufactured.
Back when, I shot short, long, and long rifle and repeated several times with no failures. But it was all standard velocity stuff and I don’t remember the bullet weights. Point of impact did move accordingly with cartridge length, up and down.
Although I don’t shoot it much I really like it. I had researched semi-auto 22s that would fire shorts this one was affordable so I snapped it up.
Hope that helps.
Sounds like the 87N or 187N. They are basically identical. Both were offered with standard weight and "lightened" bolts & hammers of various designs. Whatever the case, it's pretty neat that you can cycle standard shorts (usually 27-29 grain bullets). Thanks for letting me know. Cheers!
Hey cool I have one too. Wood stock also call bill gun!👍🏽😀❤️🇺🇸
Sweet
When I was a little kid grandma had a old BB gun with a stock made out of that stuff it set for so long in the house it put a curve in the stock there was no ac in the old farm house so I’m sure it just got to hot over the years
That's a great story. Mom and Dads house didn't get AC until 1979. But that would be cool to find an old BB gun around with that stock
Cool old rifle Hillbilly, I have one too.
I remember you saying you did. Does yours have a wood or tenite stock
@@scottmorgan1016 Wood stock on mine.
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I have a single shot 12 ga with that stock. JC Higgins. Very nice .22.
That's so cool. Take care it has to be rare since it's a shotgun. Most have cracked.👍👍
I love this rifle
Me too. I am always looking for another one. Hope to atleast find one more. Thanks for watching take care
Always a few on GunBroker, but there are at least a dozen variations of these old rifles. Ive gotten near complete parts kits there (minus receiver) for $20-$75. Complete guns seem to currently for for $125 to $250. Really Really Nice ones for more, and "needs work" ones for $100 or less. I'm always watching for them even though I have 3 now. Great guns.
More complex than some of todays technology
Yep for sure. I had a spring go bad on the lifter to chamber, finally found one on Numrich.
After working on several and building two 87A's, I'm convinced that every single gun like these 87A's had a gunsmith fitting every part for each and every gun. Jack First is more expensive, but has great part availability. One of my builds I had to make the lifter from scratch. The lobes must be timed to the bolt and when you build from mixed parts it takes a lot of fitting. The angle of the tang on the trigger housing also matters. Some of the model variance are easier to change the lifter spring than other. Some take 4 separate hands to install!
I have the same one but mine was bought by my dad in the early 70s it cracked and broke off the stock. Mine was labeled wards western field
That's a shame. Have you tried to acquire a wood stock for it?? They are such a sweet shooter
Numerich and Jack First both have lots of parts for these. I have built 2 from scratch using these suppliers. Jack First is generally more expensive but have a much wider variety of stocks available. Keep in mind that there are at least a dozen variants of these rifles from Sears, J.C. Higgins, Savage, Stevens, and likely others. You should be able to find what you need but it may require a little fitting. Also keep in mind other parts may need fitting work if you have to replace anything. I have also found a lot of parts for these on GunBroker through some of the "Gunbuster" sellers. That is one of the cheapest ways to get parts if you need a lot of them.
Just found a Springfield/Stevens 872 in 22 short only. Internally it looks to be made as well as a short only Winchester 74. It's an interesting gun and far from cheaply made.
Wow good find. Would like to find one. Your correct the Springfield/Stevens line of guns yrs back were made very well. I look all the time at pawn shops and small gun shops to see if they have older rifles by these companies. The short only would be a fun gun for sure
I'm just glad we can actually find 22 short ammo again. I have an old EIG/FIE Titan pistol in 22 short and it is very ammo picky. Unfortunately several ammo manufacturers have been putting out lots of 22 short with less than great primer fill over the last few years. Getting better though.
I have an 87 D that I found in my dad's war chest of old rifles. S his 87d was located, was not in perfect shape, so i figured i would clean it up. I remover the knobby bolt holding in the weight and the firepin,. The spring was exposed slightly, however the spring and the bold would not move a bit to be removed to clean. is it worth bringing it to a gunsmith to repair. I know its an old great gun that i shot as a kid, but not sure it it is really expensive to repair. thak you for your time and help. Bob
On my 87a I push my bolt out so far and then while pushing on bolt I am pulling on trigger and that helps me get my bolt out
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Thanks for watching
I need one
If you can find one yes. They are sweet
Always some on GunBroker. "needs work" ones for $100 and under. Functional ones from $125 to $250. Really nice ones for $450 or so. Always check the pictures and read discription well. Ask for more photos if they don't have many. Sometimes they need work. Usually just a really good cleaning. The ones with this kind of stock always go for much more $ than the wood stocks. Also keep in mind that there are many very similar 22 rifles of the "click-clack" and "gill-gun" design. J.C. Higgins 25; Sears 25 & Sears Ranger 101.16 (I think); Savage/Stevens/Springfield 6, 60, 76, 80, 87, 187, 887... And I'm sure many others. This stock seems to be the most rare from what I've seen.
They are great guns for sure. Most fun 22 rifles I've ever shot and can be more accurate than a 10/22 (but I've never shot a "target" 10/22).
Thank you so much on the info. And I agree the ones with this stock are few it seems
Sadly. I have never seen one of these stocks for sale by itself. Only with the complete rifle and they tend to go for much higher prices. For $99, you sure got a great deal on yours. It's a beauty, even without the bluing 😉
Bom dia
Tenho um rifle desse modelo da fabricante americana Savage , que na minha opinião de rifle 22 é o melhor por possuir as duas funções, semiautomático e ferrolho e boa capacidade de munições , além de usar as duas munições , longa e curta
I agree, the Savage 6a and Stevens is the same. Both great guns, wish they still made them
Agreed. I think they are basically identical. There are dozens of very similar variants of these guns out there. If there is a difference between the 6a and the 87A, I haven't found it.
I just got one, the charging bolt is worn out. It just loosely slides in and out of single and semi shot. Know where I could get a replacement bolt?
It could be the bolt knob pull. It has a detent on it to hold in position of pushed in or out. If not I would look at Numrich gun parts. Or maybe someone is selling one on E bay
@@scottmorgan1016 awesome thanks!
Numerich has some, but rarely the original design ones. Jack First is more expensive, but they have good reproduction handles. The original handles are harder to find but I have the reproduction ones on both of my 87A's and they work great.
Also try Jack First. More expensive than Numerich, but they have a lot of parts.
Si la vende cuanto cuesta??
I will never sell this one. I have had 2 other ones with a wood stock but have not seen many with the tenite stock
Tenite stock seems to be the most rare for sure. They always bring the highest prices on GunBroker.
Nice old Rifle I had the 87m years ago wished I hadn’t traded it off Stay Safe Stay 2A Strong 🇺🇸
Thanks for watching. And yes we have guns we wish we had back. But we are blessed to have owned them one time. 🇺🇸🇺🇸
@@scottmorgan1016 That is Right Scott use to do a lot of Gun Trading over the years around here all the old time Gun trader are gone sure do miss them Day Have A Great and Safe Week