The “Pre-Sampling” of Grandmaster Flash’s “The Message”
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- Опубліковано 8 чер 2023
- Today we’re talking all about the creation of the landmark song, “The Message” by Grandmaster Flash and the Furious 5, why it’s so important to music history, breaking down the inspirations, and once we’ve unravelled the whole thing, I’ll create a mashup moving through music history, using not only the songs that sampled the message, but the songs that the message, well sort of “pre-sampled”
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TOPICS COVERED
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Correction: I misspoke! Herc’s party was August 11th, not the 12th
Video ruined :(
@@devilishclover Yeah that's an obvious unsubscribe 8)
The best channel
Yeah man... Don't wanna mess that date..lol. That's like on of our kids B-Day in this Hip Hop world.
Probably ended on August 12th anyway, so no mistake there really.
I’ve had a stressful week, but knowing there’s a rapper whose stage name was Duke Bootee has really given me a lift.
😂 hilarious
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In 1984, I recorded Bootee's "Live Wire" off the radio onto cassette tape.
He was a music producer not rapper
He wasn't even a rapper but just rapped on this one song.
@@HypnoticHollywood he had an whole album out in 1984 where he rapped. He also rapped on The Message II (Survival) alongside Melle Mel
So my dad and Duke Bootee (The Duke of Booty) did music together in Savannah often before Duke’s passing so this episode is special to me. My dad recently gave me one of the original copies of “The Message” and it’s amazingly Duke Bootee throughout. He conceived it in a basement, wrote, produced and outside of the verse beginning with “A child is born with no state of mind” it’s all Duke. Wiiild to remember we’d be at his house and they’d be doing music while we watched; As kids you think these guys are old but you grow up to learn they’re absolute legends.
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Thanks for sharing your story/history with us.
That's a very interesting story! I love Duke Bootee's production methods from those early rap/ hiphop singles especially the raw drum machine beats,and scratching on Z-3 MCs- Triple Threat 12 inch,it still "Slaps" today, 100% real hip hop
This recounting of hip hop history is special 🙏🏽 thank you 👊🏽
Who was your dad?
This is hip hop history. Man, the blending of the songs. Perfection!
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Absolutely agreed. That mashup was sick
@@diggingthegreats some real dj ish.
I’m in my mid 60’s I can attest to the fact that this is history.
Does anyone know where the bass used in the various songs at 10.00 minutes in the video come from? Looked for various songs of Duke Bootee and couldn't find it. Can anyone tell me because I would like to find it.
As someone that has studied hip-hop production for decades, I love these videos. It's like watching Jeopardy at home and trying to guess the answer before the contestants. So important to pass this info on to newer generations. Keep up the good work.
And oh...here's some suggestions for future videos:
1. The innovations and legacy of Kurtis Mantronik (the original 'King Of The Beats')
2. DJ Magic Mike and the 'Bass Music' scene of the 90's
3, The history of the Beat Tape released as a commercial album.
all 3 suggestions are great ideas, I hope he makes 'em
Oh my goodness...YES!!!
Cool073 - I'm not into hip hop but I listen to this channel because the guy looks sooo cute and cuddly that I think about taking him to bed with me and just caressing his stomach (no homo by the way because I don't care for them). On another subject, if that is your real picture I would like to put my fingers on your glasses while you are wearing them. May I?
Thank you for acknowledging Mr. Duke Bootee... He's a legend from my neighborhood... He wrote the whole song except the last verse that Mel wrote... Mel downplays him like hes only a percussionist..Give that man his proper respect.... Rest in peace Mr. Fletcher.
I caught that also, Mr. Fletcher was a musician at the highest level. What has Melle Mel done since 1982?
@vincent5318 I'm all about giving credit where it's due to a legend such as Duke Bootee...but don't degrade another legend such as the pioneer of reality rap...mister Melle Mel himself. It it wasn't for him and several others before and after him, we'd still be spitting the "bom to da bomb da dang to dang diggy diggy" and "hip hop da hip it da hippy hippy hip hip hop and ya don't stop" etc and etc. Don't get me wrong...I love and appreciate all that come before and after ....I love hip hop from the beginning till today. I'm rather an enthusiastic and potential expert in the world of rap music....so no disrespect intended but Melle Mell is a legend to this genre as is Duke Bootee
Ed was an incredible musician. More than a percussionist, which is amazing in itself. He was also a jazz pianist and vibraphonist. Inspiration to me.
I’m 57 years old. Born and raised in Fort Greene Brooklyn. I was in, and into “hip-hop” from day one, although not anymore. I can’t fuck with this shit that they are doing today. I remember all of those “base” song that inspired The Message; and I remember The Message and how it was viewed when it came out.
I say all of that to say this: That mix you did was hot as fuck.
If hip hop had an anthem, this would be it 🔥
this guy 💀
Player's?
This was the TikTok anthem for like a month
Hip Hop‘s anthem has always been „Apache“ by The Incredible Bongo Band in my book though..
@@lostinjazz I was thinking more of a radio hip hop like Gangsta's Paradise or Hypnotize.
That djing at the end mixing all 3 songs together with some of the best dj I've seen
This channel is so informative!! Is it me, but I also hear One Way’s “Cutie Pie” from the sample.
Oh absolutely
Honestly the only issue I have with the creator is he doesn’t do enough videos. I really enjoy ALL of his videos.
🙏 I wish I could do more too!
Your channel is not only great , your charisma is off the charts makes me keep wanting to watch
I don't even comment on videos, but damn, I had to replay that mix like 100x. Awesome channel 😍
Good information and the mix you did at the end was dope... In addition to the facts you provided, Edward Fletcher aka Duke Bootee wrote almost all of the lyrics, even Melle Mel's part except for the last verse that Melle Mel wrote and recorded on a previous Grandmaster Flash & The Furious 5 song called 'Superrappin'. According Mel it was Sylvia Robinson who suggested he used those same lyrics for The Message
You finally convinced me you are a God-damned musical genius. Your idea for that tribute mix was so innovative.
If it isn’t already, hip-hop should be taught as a college course. Its contribution to music is incredibly massive, it’s so interesting to hear the history of the music we listen to today, it’s origin, it’s transformation through the years, how innovative Artist metamorphoses simple beats and rhythms into a masterpiece. I would love to be a hip-hop nerd and know much more than I do.
It's a sub-culture that could be researched. If not as a culture. If only someone can make researches, it is doable. Why not research? It could be taken as a class.
If anyones wondering the dope synthesizer sounds that actually made this a timeless classic are very hard to replicate ,come from an analog Sequential circuits prophet 5 synthesizer and the drums come from an oberheim DMX Drum machine. Good look making this with VST synth plugins...
Nice job. Old dudes like me already knew this info but you put it in an incredible way. Love it.
Damn that was the sickest mix you've done so far on these episodes
That bottle percussion at the end, sheer genius! You have done it again my friend 👍🏾
I'm not a huge music guy, but I love your channel. It's so well researched. How you present a song's influences, break down the history, and remix the songs is FIRE. Keep up the great work, my man!
Nice breakdown of what influenced this classic song! I still play my beat up 12 inch single of The Message to friends or younger people into hiphop.
Duke Bootie /Ed Fletcher started as a jazz drummer/vibraphonist inspired me to play vibes and other percussions.
My man you do not miss. Learning so much from your content, much appreciation for the knowledge!
Thank you so much for the support
That mix you did at the end was .... 🔥
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Keith LeBlanc, Doug Wimbish, Skip McDonald=The Sugarhill sound!! Add Adrian Sherwood to the mix, and you have Tackhead.
Here's Tackhead live with Mel droppin The Message ...
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The last verse of the message is hands down one of the best in hip hop history🙏🙏
Man, this channel is criminally underrated. Also mad props for Duke Bootee.
That mash up was super dope!
You should do a video on how early producers utilised limited sampling equipment, since samplers with more memory cost a fortune at the time. e.g., look at how Ced Gee made Ego Trippin' using the 1.2 seconds of the original SP-12. It's also the first time the popular Synthetic Substitution break was sampled.
Love the channel, sir! Hoping to see you cover Gil Scott-Heron some day 🙌
Genius and Epic. Hip Hop History was just created right there. wow
Miles was down with Duke Bootee too. Theres even a song on Doo Bop called Duke Bootee. And i think he was involved in the production of that album along with Easy Mo Bee.
When i first saw your content i was pleasantly surprised to see how high quality it is and surprised at the amount of subscribers you have, this os truly high quality content and inspires me. Id love to see you do a podcast or something like that one day as well as expand your merch and such!
Biggest musical influence for The Message probably was One Way - Cutie Pie! One of the most instantly recognizable beats of Hip Hop history!
P.S. And I LOVE the flexatone sound effect! Could this be the source for the flexatone becoming such a staple of West Coast Hip Hop? Perfected by none other than DJ Quik of course
"The Message" had meaning, very good beats and even connected people who weren't into rap because of the lyrics. The Message is one of the blueprints missing from today's rap/hip hop. It was and is a statement!
Bro, this is just GREAT!
Keep it up man, the content is perfect.
Your channel, lectures and demos are facinating. Wow!
The best rap song ever made. STILL today the lyrics hit home, the beat is original and unforgettable, the flow on point. Amazing.
This is becoming an all time great youtube channel for me
i love the way you did this ! The isolations , The edits ! dope
I normally like these breakdowns. But this one was fascinating. Being 53, from Queens, and enamored when hip hop was starting, this hit different. Subscribed.
I feel like the majority of people who listen to hip hop could care less where samples came from ..which is unfortunate because every sample has a story ..so i appreciate this channel !!!!
I love going down the rabbit hole searching for the original songs that were sampled.
Thank you for your work. It is much appreciated. So much joy in watching the love for music in you.
You can tell what year a person was born based on which version they rap when the intro comes on. 😂
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your videos are always great - you can see all the work that goes into them - awesome job!
Wow. This video is insanely well done. Years back I read Bill Brewster's "Last Night a DJ Saved My Life", which seemed like the definitive history of DJing, and it seemed to be the most well researched and interviewed source for how the Message came togehter.
That being said, what you've done with this video, the book could never do. By pulling all of these samples, and soloing them, you really painted the picture. The AMAZING remix you did combining them all was the icing on the cake. You deserve like 10 million followers. Editing and motion graphics were incredible too.
Also, if memory serves from the book, I believe Talking Heads/Tom Tom Club were regularly hanging out with Grandmaster as well as the other people in the South Bronx scene back in the day (ESG, Etc...) They've all been pretty clear the pre-sampling went both ways, as Remain in Light and Speaking in Tongues definitely lifted from what people were doing in the early hip hop scene.
Great video! I love the history behind the songs and how they are sampled to this very day. The mix on the end was phenomenal. 🔥🔥🔥
Your video intros are amazing. You get to the point and make me want to watch and learn more.
Honestly been binging your stuff all week 😍
These videos are amazing! Very informative and inspiring. I always want to go immediately to the studio after watching.
Thank you sir. Keep doing what you doing. I love your channel. Everything you've done is outstanding.
I remember hearing this song when it first came out on radio in the 80's. It was so different! Great breakdown 😎 📻
Man you are legit my new fave UA-cam channel. Hip-hop is life and you embody that statement. Your videos are done real well, the information is solid, and it's super fun to watch! Big props!!!!
i got so excited when i saw this!!! this is one of my favorite rap song's ever and to see it be broken down is amazing!!! there was always something about the instrumental i liked so thank you for this! amazing videos as always!
Another Friday, Another journey into Hip Hop history! For everyone digging the songs "stemming" from The Message check out "Close Edge" by Mos Def it is an awesome 1A/cousin to the songs mentioned here both the studio version and especially the live version from Chapelle Show.
Amazing video. Great story telling about the history of the song. I loved the mix at the end.
MY NIGGA. EVERY VIDEO IS A BANGER. MY FIRST VIDEO WAS THE J DILLA ONE, BUT JESUS MAN YOU GO SO FUCKING HARD. I FUCKING LUV U.
😂 thank you, having too much fun over here
White British guy of 54 years vintage here. Just subscribed due to the rich content and great mix at the end! 🙏🏼👌👌
OK, my mind is blown by the notion of Eno/Byrne being an influence on The Message. It delights me to know how broad the pallette was for hip hop from the very beginning.
This is one of your BEST video, BRAVO!
What a fantastic track breakdown and music history demonstration, world needs more content like this! 🔥
Really appreciate the time you put in to your work, I learn something each episode.
Love the work.
He put all that work in and still got it wrong. This dude don't know nothing about no funk music. Anybody that knows knows that record was inspired from Al Hudson and One Way Cutie Pie.
always super cool trip with you man, thanks for making these videos.
great work
loved the mashup, great work
Amazing! I’m a total “sample” nerd and found this whole story fascinating 💯✨
As always, a banger of a video. Love this channel.
Big smile on my face for your mix, love it!!! What a teachable moment! But that's what you do, Mr. Greats😍😍I was there--at Kool Herc parties! Grew up with Raheem from the Furious Five in Lambert Houses and am so happy to b here to see Hip Hop's 50th anniversary. God is good!!!
Best channel ever I get so excited when I get notified it’s time for my next hip hop history lesson
Mate, thanks for all this information. Love your channel
Everytime I hear "Planet Rock" I get super hyped. Thanks, I'm gonna listen to that on repeat for the next hour.
That Mix U Did At The End Is Too Fire Like You Did Dat Homie #Salute
love this channel, look forward to watching every friday, keep up the good work 👊 !
Outstanding work.
Peace. Your videos are amazing man. Well put together. You’re definitely a student of this culture bruv! Gratitude…
The Message might be the most important piece of music across all genres
Sir. You just got a subscriber. Love your knowledge and love of the craft. It shows.
This is fantastic. I always wondered about this one. One of my favorite grooves.
This one Was amazing so much knowledge, talent and own Skill at The end in just one Video.
Your Research and Editing skills are on an Others Level!
Your Chanel will be one of the greatest on UA-cam in your niche about Samples & music History 💯💯💯
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1st time viewer, and I'm super impressed. The breakdown here is so polished and well crafted; and your skills on the 1s and 2s tied it all together nicely. Big up to all the Hip-Hop Historians out there keeping the knowledge alive and fresh! I love this corner of UA-cam. BTW love the channel name; gonna have to binge the other videos later!
🔥 Great presentation, and hip hop history info and more 👍🏾
Frigging love this channel
Yooooooooooooooooo Great video!!! Love the mashup. And the bottle was everything
Thank you so much for this videos from Spain. Top. 🙌🏽
I really enjoyed watching this. Great Job my man
This episode was so dope thanks.
Great video man! This was awesome!
This track blew me away when I first heard it - I heard it before rappers delight. I was immediately hooked on hip hop and became one of those 80's b-boy kids with a roll of lino (vinyl floor covering) tucked under my arm. It was a shame though, there wasn't much else out there at the time that could hold a candle to the social commentary in the message. We had to wait a long time before we got other real talk tracks. Early hip hop was all about partying, celebrating the mighty dollar and how many ladies one has had - not using the vernacular of the time, as it hasn't aged too well! Happy memories and still a dope track.
Dude. FANTASTIC!!!
Loving all the episodes 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Ahhh, one of the first rap songs I learned line for line as a kid, it stayed on heavy rotation on vh1. The constant bombardment of the song/visuals eventually made me really listen its messaging. Your videos are just too interesting. Music teachers should use your videos as enrichment to their curriculum.
The Message was the song which introduced me to hip hop! Which IMO is basically the perfect introduction. Thanks big bro
Thank you bruv! Good stuff🔥
Your vids are top notch! Thank you:)
Marvellous vid! thanks
Love the content 👊🏿
So... That mix at the end that you did... When we getting a couple minute version of that? Can we, uh, get a full version of that mix? Please?
This was, for me, was one of the most important review into hip hop history that needed to be told. I learned so much about that jam. The message in The Message, as well as the message behind the history of the song, just so much involved. Thanks for doing that. Now if we can get that 3-4 minute mix to tie it up... Lol.
Groovin on that mix!!!!
This is just too much fun! Brought a huge smile to my face and some great memories of hearing The Message for the first time way back when 👍😃
Your mega mix was 🔥.
Wow! That mashup at the end. You killed it showing how close those "pre-samples" get to The Message's sound.