WHY Arsenal are BORING?
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- Опубліковано 21 вер 2024
- We take a deep dive into Atalanta v Arsenal and assess if Arsenal's insomnia inducing football is merely a symptom of Odegaard's absence or if there are more nefarious tactical elements at play.
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The streets are calling Him the Paella Pulis 😂😂😂
@@ayub460 set pieces, 2 6s and 4 cbs
Can you do it on a cold rainy night in North London?
it was Tapa Pulis in Nov/Dec 2020 when Arsenal went on a 8 game run without a win
Atlanta beat up Leverkusen and Liverpool. Respect them.
Every time I look at the players plotted I’m reminded of England at the last Euros. I know you mentioned it and it keeps hitting back every time.
Which is not a good look
Arteta is logical playing the pieces he is dealt with. He has a super defence. He has built a strong defensive midfield. Next he will upgrade the attacking mid wing and striker department. Solid and logical.
Atalanta who beat Liverpool at Anfield 3-0 on the way to winning the UEFA Cup last year? Yeah I’ll take boring all day long because it’s been a while since we were everybody’s banter club :)
0-0 won't get you anywhere lol
0-0 is not a good for Arsenal against Atalanta even in Bergamo, it should be a meh result
If Mourinho did the same thing would it be that much of an issue?
Only criticism ever had with him is that his style could be boring. So that’s a really bad example to try and help your point 🤣
“Parking the bus” is seen as a negative and I’m sure that term started with José. Also José got the shit done. Closing in on a bill and no major trophies stinks whilst playing smelly football.
bro Jose is not a good manager anymore, that's such a bad example.
I hate when ppl talk so ignorant when they know the reason he plays like this. Why play the same when u not at full strength there’s no replacement for odegaard in arsenal squad he’s the driving force going forward and he’s missing simple wjh he have to change tactic against good team. Only easy fixture arsenal had since the beginning of the season was wolves. Every other team are great. Brighton spurs Aston villa atalanta we still unbeaten without our best squad respect on arteta name.
Trust me - if we’d been more open and lost people would call Arteta naive… w
@@javanwalcott7772 Arsenal is only missing one player, they would 100% play like this even if Odegaard was there stop lying
@@Nkabi_ZA fr
They are still boring. With or without Odegaard. They need at least players to be considered to challenge City
Havertz and rice don't work in midfield. No ball progression,no possession recycling and no real quality into the final third. Rice can't play as a six and left 8 is questionable.
just because he's not rodri or busquets doesn't mean he's not a 6
Rice can do the 6 role off the ball but not on it (hence needs support in the build up).
Arteta should find some creative way to have Rice as the 6 defensively and put him in the backline offensively.
Maybe have both fullbacks invert and have him slot inbetween both CBs. They'd still have their default build up with actual progressors, because literally all of their fullbacks have shown better midfield composure than him.
Lmao, then what position is he good for? The bench?
@@29king_kai29you lot's tried comparing him with Rodri.
GOOD! We arent here to entertain. If being boring means I come out of the toughest opening 5 game run with positive results, then so be it. You want to be entertained go watch Barcelona. We were labelled Boring under George Graham, we will be fine!
That's grand if you're happy watching that. Arteta likely has to loosen up if he wants to win the biggest trophies though.
Basically.:.no odegaard no party😂
Arsenal is very poor in europe....so dont expect anything from them playing in europe...
Lots of things mentioned in this video are spot on, but context matters.
Merino at LCM, Rice at DM, Calafiori at LB, Timber at RB would transform this team.
Which is mentioned in the video…
No it won't the progressor is just calafiori rice won't play those passes if he does it rare
@@timothyoluwafemi8078Odegaard or Merino can drop deep Timber can help with build up as well
He’d never drop Ben white
Dropping Gabriel could also be an option. A back 4 of Timber, White, Saliba and Calafiori could be interesting. All of them are very exciting ball playing CBs with a ton of composure. Could be what they need to help with their build up issues as well.
We don't care let Haram football continue i remember during Wenger days we used to play awesome football but rivals still mocked us 😂
Tetanyahu-ball was in full affect!
Madrid is winning trophies with the same football
I mean, we broke our goals record last season. How quickly people seem to forget. I'm referring mostly to comments and not the video, to be clear. Bears obvious saying that missing Odegaard makes us much less dynamic.
I think Arteta is a great manager and the best possible option for Arsenal at the moment, but I have to concede this game was very boring and your analysis was very good. I always feel Arteta should trust more in young players like Nwaneri. I also don't understand why Havertz was dropped into midfield instead being the centre forward where he has always been much better, particularly the way he links up with Saka who as you mentioned was isolated. while there have been some big injuries for arsenal, there were ways to win this game, but credit to Atalanta too, they are an excellent side and totally nullified Arsenal here
Is quite unfortunate that whatever thing Arsenal do people must complain. He even said Timber should be allowed to face 2v1😂😂😂😂
No one said that
thats ok our goal isnt to keep you awake its to win my guy respect!
It’s to win titles. Ultimately you have to find a better balance to last the distance imo
@@ThePythagorasPerspective respect 🫡 👊🏿
But you didn't tho 😂. Any decent striker would have netted that pen fairs to raya but like that was shit 😂. He had no power, it wasn't even bottom corner and rebound my god raya on the left he had all the right space but heads in the middle 😂. Shit striker if I ever seen one
Arsenal is only praised for their defending for good reasons
No wonder I feel so refreshed after atalanta
Simply put, no Ødegaard. Kicking long against Brighton/Spurs was tactical, yesterday was just no Ødegaard and not wanting to throw in a 17 year old into the the Champions League. I think if we bring in Sterling and Nwaneri things change but maybe that's just me
Don’t really understand this age excuse. Yamal tearing up world football, Mainoo already United best midfielder. If you’re good enough you’re old enough. I can’t see how he can be worse than Havertz in that role.
@@ThePythagorasPerspective I would've played Nwaneri but think about it. It's the UCL and how many 17 year olds start in that competition? Very few 17 year olds are starters in general and the expectations placed on his shoulders from the fans would be immense. I don't think it's fair to say that him not starting is crazy, I think he should but I don't think it's crazy he isn't.
@@Abc123ert56I mean rico lewis did it and scored on his ucl debut
The issue isn't age. Nwaneri is a special talent but the midfield positions at arsenal (all roles if you think about it) require a great deal of familiarity of how arsenal behave in and out of possession, always knowing where to be in each situation and what to do. The young players may have the talent and skill, but it may be too presumptuous to assume they can adequately fill in for the senior players and play seamlessly in a makeshift midfield structure with the same level of decision making and positional discipline as the more experienced players. Nwaneri and Skelley may provide some more energy and attacking impetus, but their inexperience in playing within the structures Arsenal adopt during attacking and defensive phases as well as in adjusting to different game states can lead to momentary weaknesses for experienced and well drilled teams like Atalanta to exploit.
@@yourdailyjoe3155 and Foden played as in the UCL as well but that's the luxury of being City
Leao never scored more than 15 league goals and you backing him.😂😂😂
Martinelli is better finisher than Leao, and he us in premier league the most physical and tactical league in the world.
Leao is playing for a weak side, Martinelli playing in one of the most talented and best coached sides in the world. Playing in a side where Saka can absorb attention freeing him up.
Arteta is just a Spanish Sean Dyche.
Yet somehow managed a team that scored 91 goals last season...
Bro some people don't know what they are saying bro they just talk without using any brains@@TheKh65
@@TheKh65Odegaard .
@@Don-Royall yes, Odegaard scored all 91 goals...
Arteta is so good people calling him boring when arsenal drew other teams
The Chorizo Alan Curbishley!
I think Jesus should be able to play in the odegaard spot a false 9 is a ten ish also trossard is a two footed player ...we had to play defensive we were short with city in front we needed to keep the squad healthy and solid it was another excellent defensive performance they needed a good practice that's done now on to the job at hand
They go to etihad and defend but even liverpool dont go for point at etihad mancity dont go ro andfield and play for a point they go for wins u have to play for the win not for the point i would not be surprised to see arsenal play for a point at etihad
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Arsenal weren't playing for a point at the Etihad, they simply realised their strategy for the game was compromised from the start and that their pressing triggers were neutralized so they were forced back into their own half and couldn't get out. The game kept evolving like a chess match but ultimately Arsenal knew they couldn't match city in possession and that they couldn't leave open spaces between midfield and attack for De Bruyne, Foden, Silva Rodri and Haaland to exploit so it had to play out that way. Liverpool at Etihad haven't had the best record for all their attacking intent so there's no point bringing it up. Arsenal got the most points from their top 6 battles, so guaranteeing a point at the Etihad is still stealing points from opponents no matter how you argue that point.
@@pgikiru You got it precisely
And I don't know why people were pushing the agenda that we had a "loser" mentality in the match when city literally couldn't beat us last season😂
Bro why do you keep mentioning Liverpool like they are veterans in beating City to winning leagues or something...1 league in 9 years under Klopp I don't care what Liverpool do they've failed to do any real damage to Man City. If they had won another league title in the Pep era I would hear it but 1 can be chalked off as an anomaly.
I'd argue Kvara is not and no where near that kinda X factor 20-30 GA winger, and as for Leao he seems to individualistic, will Leao track back, will he follow his opponent around, can he race to cover for the FB, I mean in Arteta's system AFAIK winger must contribute defensively I am sure Leao isn't that type.
nah you're underrating kvara a lot and overrating leao a lot to even mention him, he has barely any output
a mean you don't ofto watch it when the team is fit and ready we will play different i love it
They sent Vieira out on loan for... some reason???
a winger-like FB would be like nitrous in this team
And issues being an arsenal hater
Possesion football is boring
He will kill football and do more damage than pep ever "did" not because other small clubs will do that. Its so genuinely boring to see them sleeping in from of the post 😂. When city possess ball they go for attack
That’s not our fault pal
It is frustrating because a few seasons back, they were the most attractive side in England.
This team is supposed to win BAYERN 😂😂😂 Remember this joke.
Because LegoHead wants to be Pep SO BAD, constantly reinventing the wheel and thinking he's a genius coach. Arsenal were known to be the most entertaining team to watch in the league and at least you could say that, "yeah, they don't win anything, but the football is spectacular and they're fun to watch". Also, in order for JoseBall to work your team needs ELITE mentality and we know Arsenal are known bottlejobs who lack the character to push and get over the line. That's why they haven't won any major trophy in the last 20 years (4 FA Cups in 20 years... lol)
great video man
Appreciate it!
Mr. Pythagoras, you lost my attention when you were making suggestions for replacing Martinelli with a clinical "25 G&A" forward and you mentioned Leao and Kavareskalia.... 🤣🤣🤣
Unless you are an undercover agent or something, Leao who's been revealed to do nothing but flatter to deceive? Or wasn't it just last season that he went about 6 months without a goal?
That's the thing about you guys on UA-cam you start off with quality, well researched work... Then you start getting tons of viewership and subscribers; then you feel you can get away with biased opinions instead of credible insights!
If you don’t think Leao and Kvara are superior footballers than Martinelli then I don’t really have any words for you
@@ThePythagorasPerspectivehe has a point bro and I love your videos too.. leao and krava are more of dribblers than Martinelli who is a finisher and I don’t think leao is a serious person. The talent is there and he’s already an international with his country but as an end product performer he is not it. And we all know that’s what they will be judged by. Ty
@@ThePythagorasPerspective lol... There you go shifting the goal post again trying to use semantics, as I said you definitely undermine the intellect of your audience!
Are we talking about who's better than Martinelli or are we as a team out to find a player that would be ice cold and not profligate? Why go from Martinelli to another player that isn't a guaranteed killer?
I watched Leao at the Euros and his performances were nothing dissimilar to what Martinelli has been posting up; then you now factor in work ethic and then you wonder if it's even worth the punt ... Leao is a premadonna, that's my point exactly.
Why suggest someone who hasn't even been consistent to come replace someone who's struggling with consistency; does that really make sense or are peddling something else... Quality analytical content is what we seek not opinions. We can get that from passion merchants if that's what we wanted bruv !
@@rccrforeverfrrdfortuneshav9823 GOD BLESS YOU my bro... I'm so glad that my point was glaringly made but it would seem the only person that didn't get it is the "mathematician himself"... Moving the goal post all in the name of deception... We aren't seeking opinions, actual and stats based stuff is all we ask for; when I'm watching content that is tactical I look out for more or else I can go seek any random stuff.
I took an issue with his analysis particularly because I had just finished watching Four4Two's analytical breakdown (PS:- in no way affiliated to Arsenal and hence without bias); it's insights were a lot more deep and insightful then I come to this and I'm like WTF?
He should know that most guys that are subscribed to his page aren't passive football watchers... I literally live for football and work within the industry.
Give us substance please!
Excellent analysis! You earned a new subscriber 👍
Welcome aboard!
But how come we rarely see city's fbs overlap to support their wingers? I think thats what Mikel too is doing
I hope it clicks on sunday so i can feast like on villa win 😂. Its pathetic to watch them sit back with 6 man at back. Saka was at RB 😂 what a small club. Id rather Liverpool win if it isnt us
Everywhere rubbishing Arsenal. Real played same way vs City. Are they small?? The small club is city and you know it
@@firstlane7695Arsenal played like this against Atalanta and Spurs not only against City
Finally, someone who sees it all
Arsenal are boring to watch,I feel sleepy when arsenal are playing
What about sterling function for u ? I am curious
Disrespecting Ben White's ball play?🤔
You just mid analyst 😂😂😂
So Ben White is as good as Dani Alves?
These comments are hilarious. Arteta does not need to prove anything to anyone. His team has scored more goals than all the other teams outside of City in the last 2 seasons. Everyone knows when Arsenal are good attacking wise we just blow teams away. So he is obviously CHOOSING to play this way and people are rattled.
Arteta has spent over 800m and only one an FA cup of course he has to prove himself to everyone
@@Nkabi_ZA In terms of getting trophies yes but he does not need to prove how good his team is. People have had 2 years worth of performances to know that. That is what I mean.
Genuinely, I think this is a great analysis! Big up, Pythag 👍
Yes
Arsenal will go trophyless again ffs
Arsenal has become pre-Haaland City, "great" style of play with a lot of movement and a stupid obsession with having the ball without without creating any real threats. A bit better defensively but of course that will happen when you have a back 4 with 3 or even 4 CBs.
This arsenal have almost nothing to do with pre-haaland city, it is more like to 04-05 chelsea
@muhammadmtv7236 No it's like the season city signed ruben dias a couple seasons before haaland where city looked so good defensively reaching the ucl final.
Referring to when they play with odegaard
@@yourdailyjoe3155 actually I don't remember even one time that city under pep, sit deep "voluntarily", arsenal have done it many times in last two seasons, pep always have had a obsession with possession, his idea is to control the game by maintaining possession, arteta mainly do the same but he is not afraid to sit deep give the ball to opposition, and find the space behind opposition's centre backs.
@muhammadmtv7236 During the treble winning season pep's city had sat back on numerous occasions voluntarily. This was one of the talking points during the season where city had so much tactical flexibility where if city needed to control a game or had to face pacy players many different tactics were employed.
Examples being against arsenal (3:1) city sat back with even bernardo silva playing left back. City played balls completely bypassing arsenal's midfield.
Then there was the away game at the aloanz arena.
When I was referring to arsenal playing like city in 2020/21, I was referring to when odegaard plays
@@yourdailyjoe3155 I remember that game vividly, that game City didn't sit deep, even third goal was by a turn over high up the pitch, when arsenal defenders lost it.
First half arsenal was playing really good in possession and they made city to sit deep.
Although this kind of debate has no end, because we're discussing opinions.
First Bro is adding players to buy in September second leao? I left after I saw leao very overrated player
No one mention buying players in September.
I think city will thrash this harmaball tactics as well. Pep always find solutions, hoping for 4-0
It is a tactic which has worked against City but not sure you can keep using it week in week out
the problem that was stated in the video is not the defence it's actually the attack so thinking city can score 4 against this defence that has conceded only 3 goals in their last 12 away games is stupidity at its finest
I get Arsenal fans complaining, but reading neutrals and oppositional fans complaining is ridiculous. 😂 you claimed that it took 70+ minutes for Arsenal to make a chance, which is false. Martinelli had a chance almost identical to the one you highlighted in the first 15 minutes when cut into the box from the left. Why are you bringing up Merino as an option like he isn't currently injured?
Not watched video yet, but Personally i think arsenal just playing like stoke but with better players managers.
Basically alot of defender's, play for set pieces, lot of time wasting, diving for freekicks and making the game stop start when other team gains momentum and really good at constant pressure when going right for them.
I dont know the stats, but ill think fair few there goals is from corners or freekicks
Time wasting and diving, that's some accusations
Yeah, Arsenal were the 4th best team at scoring set pieces last season... but they also scored the most open play goals in the league, so that's kind of nonsense. As far as time wasting is concerned, they have been pretty much exactly middle of the road last season, definitely nowhere near the real time wasting teams like Newcastle or Brentford. Diving is really kind of a tribal narrative thing, I am not saying that Arsenal are some kind of a team of saints, but all teams dive, if anything the issue with Saka, who is the Arsenal player that gets fouled the most is that he actually tries to ride the challenges instead of going down with the contact for the pen a bit too much.
People are just reading too much into a small sample of two tough away games in a row with 3/3 and 2/3 starting midfielders out and the other players in the squad who could actually help supplement ball progression through passing (Zinchenko), carrying (Califiori) or a bit of both (Sterling) also out or coming back from injuries/inactivity so they weren't fit to start. Nobody will remember this 3 game stretch by the time they get to play the bad teams (Forest, WHU, MUTD, Fulham etc.) in late November and December and beating them all easily.
Top comment is the perfect example of how half truths mixed in with tons of lies can affect perception.
Arsenal are defensive yes but they don't employ any of those tactics u mentioned.
@antifocus it's just common game control which they're really really good at
@charles9489 yes they do. Any time they start getting under pressure they start going down easy winning nothing fouls, breaking game up, going down hurt etc
It's "diving" not as in cheating
😂😂😂