Liver Fluke Lessons Learned!
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- Опубліковано 6 січ 2024
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The quote from Cammy at @TheSheepGame "You win or you learn" definitely fits this one!
In this episode, join me on a journey through the farm as we face a crucial challenge in our sheep care routine. As a relatively new farmer, I'm here to share my experiences-both successes and, importantly, the mistakes I've made along the way.
In this one I host a farm tour for 35 eager students from the local agricultural college. Together, we delve into the workings of farm life, reflecting on my own journey since attending this very college 22 years ago.
As the sheep are brought closer to the shed, we embark on treating them for liver fluke, a task that holds personal significance after past mistakes resulted in devastating losses due to incorrect dosages. I open up about the errors made in previous years, the hard lessons learned, and the costly consequences they had on the flock's health.
This episode isn't just about a farm tour or administering treatment; it's a candid discussion about the realities of farming, the weight of responsibility, and the invaluable lessons learned through both successes and failures.
Join me in this revealing episode of Sheep School as we navigate through the challenges of sheep health, confront past mistakes, and strive to ensure a healthier, happier future for our flock. Don't miss this enlightening and educational experience that could potentially save lives on your own farm!
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Fluke is a brutal thing David and it's been some year for it. Good on you for sharing the good and the bad.
Thanks Cammy 👌 Not easy sharing your mistakes but good other people can learn from them... Rumen fluke serious problem this year too..
To be honest I avoided watching this video for a week because I thought it would break my heart to see those sheep die… but then it turned out to be a cautionary tale of a lesson learned from long ago. I’m relieved! Glad the sheep are behaving.
For a rock drive here we use 3/4”minus. Or also called road base. It has rock and sand and packs down hard and solid.
I’ve lived in the countryside for over 30years surrounded by sheep and didn’t know anything about them David. I was at the village hall over the festive period and had some interesting conversations with a couple of local farmers. And it’s all due to you David and Cammi Wilson. So thank you so much.
Thank you Ian. Isn't UA-cam great for exploring new subjects 👌
A super educational video Mate, you have explained to many farmers the importance of dosing for fluke, and I'm sure the students learned alot from you.
So much to learn about in farming. Thanks David 👍😊👍
Everyday really is a school day 😊
Happy new year to you both. Thanks for the great videos, keep them coming
Thanks, you too!
That van sounds great lads.happy new year to yes keep up the good work 👍
Thanks for sharing youe experience and knowledge
2 excellent videos in a row. this channel just gets better. keep up the good work.
Thank you very much!
Happy new year David and Robbie. That was a brilliant video. I am learning in Sheep School all the time the last time I worked with sheep was in Ballyhaise Ag College in 1997. Well done lads.
Good man, thanks Alan. 👍
Thankyou , I learn something new every day.
There is so much to sheep raising .
I've never seen the weather you and England is having .
Hard on you all .
We have a sever drought in the western USA .
Take care , thankyou for the video .
Everyday really is a school day 😊
@@sheepschool365 thankyou , yes .
Cracking video as always
Great video, so glad I found your channel. First time in Ireland keeping sheep, used to have them in uk. Thanks for sharing experience and knowledge.
Thank you so much 😊 Welcome along..
Robbie first and then Mass...
A'rnt Sundays GREAT !!
Robbie is an all time great 💪
Very informative video. I have seen all of your videos from oldest to newest.
Glad you are enjoying them 👌
Well done lads happy new year.
Thank you 👍
Great video David your ewes are in fine order 👌
Thanks you Gary 👍
The ewes are looking great. I'm looking forward to your lambing season.
Not sure what the time will be like for videos. Might have to go live....🫣
It’s the best running combo I’ve ever heard 😂😂😂
She is a beast and Robbie knows how to plant the boot 😜
Happy New Year Folks.. from Donegal..
Good video. I think Pops is a great dog. Keep up the good work
Thank you 👍
Very favourable comments. You peoplees surely know your stones,keep it lit,great video. David😮
Thanks 👍
You are very polite David. I would have the ground conditions are “shite” not shocking. 😂😂😂😂I remember your last video with both of you trying to get all your sheep down from the muck by the gates. 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼😂❤️❤️❤️❤️
There is also another handy short four letter word alot of lads around here are using before shite when describing the conditions
Could also be used with shocking
Good stuff
Interesting to see how things work on the other side of the world. Fecs will only show eggs approx 10 weeks after infection as only adults in the bile duct produce eggs. So as you say you will have immature fluke, this is because sheep will injest metacercaria within approximately 48 hrs post treatment like other worm species as treatments have no residual or longterm effect. You may have other chemicals available though. Might sound strange but we have similar problems in Australia as stock will go to wetter areas when it gets dry. We also have resistance. Good luck Paul GYST Livestock Parasitology Services
For liver fluke we have triclabendazole, clonsantel, nitroxynil, rafoxanide and Albendazole for adult fluke but really is a challenge to avoid building up resistance.
Good video boys we fluked our wee flock last Saturday they seem ok thank goodness we used flukiver for your lane road plainings are good if you roll it in well though concrete is better 👍ps Robbie's combo sounds alot better than the combos we have in the hospital 😂
Great video, Very interesting,wish my dog worked like that 😂, I'd be thinking of scraping up the gutters and putting tar planning down
Very interesting video thanks for sharing
Glad you enjoyed it 👍
Super interesting video David, I know nothing about sheep only the fact that they seem to be a lot of work to keep them right.
Great stuff
Thanks Adrian..👌
It's a steep learning curve that never ends!
FECs can be done for fluke but unlike counts for other worm eggs use a solution of ZnSO4 instead of salt. I'm in Australia and use a rotation of different drenches
You should contact Te Pari about a permanent race at your shed. I'd recommend establishing a proper grade on your laneway, trench in some weeping tile (french drain) and be sure to line the trench with non woven geotex to prevent plugging (don't sleeve your pipes). Use 360 degree holed pipe, placed into the geotex lined trench with excess geo, so once you cover the pipe with 1 1/2 inch round gravel, you can fold the geo around that gravel to block debris, then cover with pea gravel or whichever clean gravel you choose . Great video!
Te Pari would be a dream! Thank you for your tips 👌
We were told to inject in the neck for the quality of the skin. I used to inject over the ribs as they appear to have less of a nerve supply to cause them to react. You are quite right about having manners when it comes to tack. Having had a bad experience with poorly cared for sheep I insisted on them arriving clean and lame free. And yes they need to go as agreed, no inventive excuses. I think the only real solution for the yard would be concrete which can also be kept clean.
Happy New year David, Robbie and all the family. Another great video, would you sell the MF 135😉
Not for love nor money, than machine is the main farm tractor!
Good vid 👍🏻
Glad you enjoyed it
'Stone'
Stone Mad 🤣 😂
804 gravel is a good base, it compacts down but water doesn’t flow through it easy, screened 10mm chippings don’t compact down as well as 804 but drains well
Right outside your barn in an alley like that…I would try to splurge and put a concrete pad down. It looks like it gets a lot of traffic and would pay off in the long run.
Paul from down under again do you have triclabendazole active treatments available in Ireland ? I admire your tenacity your really up against it with the wet ground.
Hi Paul. Yes, triclabendazole was the number 1 fluke dose for years but overuse has led to serious resistance problems. Yes the wet ground and milder winter means we have serious fluke issues in my area.
Thanks for the reply nice to hear from the other side of the world. I see your Rugby team doing well again. Hopefully Joe Schmidt can help us out.😊
When we were grazing tack sheep some fields were black when the sheep came off and farmers were sceptical about them only to find they produced the best silage off those fields, some were even reseeds
Hard to convince them 😜
If that farmer has cattle then the field fertility is complimented by manure from another species, ie in this case sheep. Ideal scenario is grazing cattle, sheep and pigs followed by various outside poultry. The vegetation that grows after that is incredible.
For the stone I us cut up stone it is like 1 stone to 2 stones and a lot of baby Stones it is the best for dive on
Love your videos! I was using Albex, then changed to zanil. Is zanil any good this time of year?
Zanil is very similar to Albex in that it only controls adult liver fluke but it also controls rumen fluke. Some of the other fluke doses are better this time of year.
About 35 years ago I bought 60 hoggets around this time of year and I decided that the looked a bit fluky so I gave them a really good shot of flukacide the next day the carnage started ended up loosing 27 out of the bunch, my cheap hoggets turned into very expensive sheep and to add insult to injury less than half of them had a lamb but the survivers were great ewes in the heal of the hunt ( just as well) ever since then if I buy in ewes they get a half dose of flukacide and I go back in about a week later with the other half and dose them again in a month at full strength,pain in the ass but once bitten twice shy. Little bitch is working well it’s a good dog that will bring sheep around a gate and back on themselves like that . Best of luck with the scan and the lambing.
Thanks for sharing that 👌
Nervous enough sharing the issues in the job as sometimes you feel like an idiot 🫣
@@sheepschool365 any man who never made a mistake never made anything and as my grandfather always said “ a sheep finds a new way to die every day “ , l remember once asking him what a certain ewe died of and he thought for a moment and told me she died of a Tuesday, moral of the story is that enough of them will die and you will never know what killed them , the trick is to know what the problem was and be able to do something about it.
Agree 100% about the mistakes 👌
Out of interest what flukacide did you use when you lost the 27 hoggets?
Under dosing/half dosing leads to resistance to the fluke medicines. The fluke you don’t kill because you haven’t given enough of it will then most likely then become resistant to that drug.
I honestly can’t remember but it was not trodax because I didn’t start using that for at least 10 years later probably fasenx or something similar as far as under dosing goes, yes it’s not advisable however sometimes needs must, if you have a bad fluke issue and kill all the fluke at once some will bleed to death and some will die from toxic shock and others will die from septicaemia so you have to take some licence with the correct procedures.
Ewes look in great form Davy.Please God we will get a bit of dry weather in the next month or two.
Next couple of weeks look good 👌
We use concrete or type 1 gravel
Put down a load of 804 great stuff it’s 2 inch stone down to dust all mixed together goes hard as concrete after feu showers of rain
anybody notice at 1.40 the weather making machines spraying in the sky. It's called GEOENGINEERING
A load of road plaining would be great
Great idea, thank you 👌
Just wondering can you break the fluke cycle by rotating sheep more, based on the lifecycle of the parasite? Can fluke be passed on to other grazing animals (cows, horses goats)?
Can be passed to most animals even humans can pick it up.. very hard to break the cycle. Fence off muddy areas is the advice 🫣
Hi what about the ram lamb in the field with your ewe lambs??
We'll find out next week 👌
Great video, David. I'm not sure how extensive (or expensive) of a job for the mucky area at your barn you want to take on. Ideally, I would lay some plastic drainage tubing first, it can go out the side to drain on the surface. I would then put in a good layer of 1" rounds to help the drainage, and then cover the rounds with quarry fines to be easy on their feet. It's more effort and expense up front but I think it will be much more serviceable in the long run. You can then add fines as you need. If you just put in rounds or fines, I think they will sink and you will have to use a lot more without putting in the drainage tubing. Good luck from Wisconsin, UDA👍
Thank you for your sharing your ideas 🇺🇸❤️
Try sandstone 20mm myt soak a bit better
Is that all your breading ewes or how many ewes do you keep.
Will you scan those ewe lambs that ram was with,??
That's around half the ewes. Scanning 315 in 10 days 🤞
We'll figure out what to do with ewe lambs in the next video 👌
@sheepschool365
Cool keep a small flock of mules and a texel ram myself in mayo along with few beef cattle. Robbie is a legend.
How often do you dose your ewe lambs and what do you dose them for
Ewe lambs get 3/4 worm doses since birth and 3/4 doses for fluke over the winter. That's it until next winter...
804 be alright for that will compact nice and hold the muck..
Thanks for that 👍
Brasil -Salvador Bahia
👍👏👏👏
3 inch down stone at 200mm deep give or take . Tracked in flat with digger would do that gap the world of good
Thanks for that 👍
Wat was the male lamb in wit the ewe lambs ?? Ramlamb or weather ?
We'll find out next week. Stay tuned👌
An apron of concrete with a slope towards the field
happy sheep farming David in 2024.sorry to hear that sheep died over fluke.
happy new year Robbie@ and David.
Thank you 👍
You should connect with Tapri😂
Concrete… lasts longer than stone… just an extra cost!!
Pity concrete is so pricey at the minute!
It might be weird, but if you have the opportunity to let chickens or guinea fowl roam the pastures, you'll have less problems with fluke
Pea gravel . That is what we call it.
Ideally, lay concrete on that surface, because of the slope and amount of traffic.
Or, reform it, so it slopes away from the shed, then use crushed rock mix, same as roading contractors use. Crushed rock meshes together, round stones dont.
Once the rock is layed, it will need to be rolled.
You’d benefit from a drainage system buried to drain that end of the shed.
I thought it was a mill per 33 kg
Higher dose rate for than particular version of trodax.
Pul pawer mister
Flukiver is the only dose fir this time of year.
Used flukiver for the last dose and like to alternate them 👌
Load of 8o4
Thanks 👍
Don't go for road planings... Like burning money.... Honestly is not not cheaper to pour concrete? Long term benefits surely...
I'm thinking of extending out that way and don't want to concrete it just yet 👌
Concrete, easier to clean
Don't want to concrete it yet as might extend out that way.
Looking for a temporary solution for now...
Did these sheep die after treatment ...that's a big loss.
Yea. It can happen if they are badly infected!
Stickie stone, concrete 😂😂😂
We use concrete or type 1 gravel
We use concrete or type 1 gravel