Thanks for preserving the memories. Not many people know how this country was built back in the day. Not many sawmills like this still functioning. Most have been scrapped or dismantled. Quite a few in Museums like yours across the country. Thanks again for volunteering and preserving history.
I worked in a little saw mill similar to this one over 25 years ago...Powered by an inline 6 gas Hercules...Had a stick of 6" gas line going out the side of the millshed for exhaust...That old thing would bellar when sawing through some hard wood...I miss doing that kind of work...You were tired when you went home and you felt like you really done something...Most enjoyable job I ever had!
Metal is very competitive and I learned all about it from the king pin Norval in St. Clair, that's a beautiful sawmill. St. Clair is just south of Port Huron.
How much torque is created? That mill is amazing. Thought the dust pile was on fire, but that thing even drives an auger to carry the sawdust away from the work space. Both the Engine and Mill appear to be ready to perform for another century, and a little maintenance... Give me those 2 pieces of equipment and 100 acres of old woods and I'll go live my dream. If only...lol.
Love this video! The steam engine, the flat belt drive, the saw, the people. These things made and built towns! Sorry to hear you lost the saw mill to a tornado. Were you able to rebuild?
I like that adjustable headblock spacing. Ours are locked in place, but are spaced at different intervals so real short logs go on the front two, medium length on the 2nd & 3rd, longer ones on front 3 or back three, and real long ones on all four. Also find it a LOT Easier to pull the set lever if you squirt a little oil on the headblocks for the BIG logs to slide on. Otherwise, we've broken the handle a couple times over the years from pulling too hard on it. Reeves sound Great by the way.
Does a twin cylinder steam engine,have any advantage over a single cylinder engine? I enjoyed the video,especially the stack-talk of that engine,under load.Thanks for posting.
With a single, there are two spots in the rotation that are impossible to start the engine at. With the piston at one end of stroke and the other end. Sometimes you have to rotate the flywheel by hand slightly to get it to go. Two cylinder engines are set up 90 deg out of phase, so you can start any where in the flywheel rotation. Locomotives are set up like that.
That's a good thing, I hate to get out and push a locomotive to get it to go. LOL Thanks for sharing your cool video with us. Best Wishes n Blessings. Keith Noneya.
I had the same thought for question? Beyond ease of starting does the twin cylinder offer greater torque for the same displacement? Because I would think the stroke would be less to more match the cylinder bore. A shorter stroke will permit higher RPM and usually horsepower but less torque. This is true for gas and diesel engines. I know steam has the advantage of a power stroke in each direction. So being 90 degrees out of phase I would think that a twin cylinder steam engine would have four power strokes per 360 degrees of crank revolution
I believe the tractors steam is driving the saw , I couldn't figure out how it was getting power to the log carriage , I would like to have seen that system
+austinwagoncompany That belt is 8" wide and 160ft long. It has a laminated splice so it is a continuous loop. With pulley diameter and such, that makes the engine crank and saw mandrel about 65ft apart. I recently got a quote from www.ibtinc.com/ for one. Their item number 82300226. It was 7" X 150ft with splice and was almost $900. The belt in the video came from IBT.
I realize that you asked this question a year ago but I thought you might like to know,,,I have an old frick O and I run it with a ford tractor...for flat belts I use hay baler belts and splice them together end to end...lots cheaper and works just as well
Does the steam engine run at full throttle all the time? Or does it have a governer? Does the sawyer have a throttle control to add more power when making a cut? Great video!
There is a governor. The sawyer will test he blade RPM and have the engine operator adjust the governor for the saw. Most saws around here run 450-500. The engine will run about 250, which is a typical maximum. Pulley ratios make up the difference. While the saw is in operation, the engineer is mostly a fireman and oiler. The governor manages power applied by keeping the speed constant. Well, sort of... The engine speed will droop while in a cut on smaller engines because there isn't enough horsepower. If the RPM droops too much, the saw blade heats, cuts hard, and cuts crooked. The sawyer will manage the droop by adjusting the feed rate of the log. With experience, the sawyer does this instinctively by listening to the saw and adjusting his pull on the stick. Some sawmills will have an "idle down" lever that the sawyer will operate when loading/turning logs. This is attached by wire to the engine governor and cuts engine RPM. At some shows you may see the engineer do this manually as a courtesy to the sawyer.
That 13hp, is surely a misprint, i would guess that as a 50 hp steam engine. I seen a Super M Farmall on a sawmill in Indiana, it handle it about the same way !
that is the true hp...hp ratings today are vastly over rated. Would a person really believe a 300hp compact car had more hp than a 'two horse' team of belgian draft horses (think about it). try hooking them together back to back to see what would happen ! My team of Belgians got excited and ran away hooked to a stuck Massey Harris tractor, scared my son to death on the tractor!!!!!!!
@@rsgpartsdivision I know this is kinda late, but that 13 HP is actually the drawbar rating. Rated flywheel horsepower would be about 3x that, or 39 HP, although it can probably put out 50+ if fired really hard.
In these days of OHSA and similar in other countries. I always feel they are created simply to create jobs for the idle, half the time they don't seem to know anything about the job that is being done, so they simply tell everyone to put on as much 'safety equipment' as they can think of - a lot of which gets in the way and hinders/slows you down working. Most, if not all of what you are doing only needs 'common sense' plus 'respect' for the tools you are using - I have always found if you are slightly frightened of what you are using, (especially moving machinery), you will be perfectly safe.
That blade needs a guard around it! God forbid someone trips onto it when the log is not being cut... look at it... its just there spinning in the open with the gentleman on the ramp next to it... come on guys there has to be a feature which could be installed!
Thanks for preserving the memories. Not many people know how this country was built back in the day. Not many sawmills like this still functioning. Most have been scrapped or dismantled. Quite a few in Museums like yours across the country. Thanks again for volunteering and preserving history.
My Dad worked for Reeves in Columbus in the late 50's and early 60's. Thanks for the video.
Fantastic and fascinating old technique. Thank you for saving and taking care. Also thanka for taping and sharing.
i have lived in Missouri my whole life and the great farms & mills keep this place in true Americana fashion..thanks-4-upload
I worked in a little saw mill similar to this one over 25 years ago...Powered by an inline 6 gas Hercules...Had a stick of 6" gas line going out the side of the millshed for exhaust...That old thing would bellar when sawing through some hard wood...I miss doing that kind of work...You were tired when you went home and you felt like you really done something...Most enjoyable job I ever had!
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Metal is very competitive and I learned all about it from the king pin Norval in St. Clair, that's a beautiful sawmill.
St. Clair is just south of Port Huron.
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Manufactured in Port Huron, Michigan
Thanks for the video guys,the world needs more folks like y'all. Gary from Texas
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How much torque is created? That mill is amazing. Thought the dust pile was on fire, but that thing even drives an auger to carry the sawdust away from the work space. Both the Engine and Mill appear to be ready to perform for another century, and a little maintenance... Give me those 2 pieces of equipment and 100 acres of old woods and I'll go live my dream. If only...lol.
Love this video! The steam engine, the flat belt drive, the saw, the people. These things made and built towns! Sorry to hear you lost the saw mill to a tornado. Were you able to rebuild?
Please note how the operators are using the steam powered 1903 saw mill. This is how they did it since the 1870's.
he's nuts to be pulling that incher from that side at the start before squaring it off... those picks let loose... game over.
I am amazed at how the log the y load on the carriage initially is a Pin Oak, and then mysteriously it becomes a Yellow Poplar at the end.......
I like that adjustable headblock spacing.
Ours are locked in place, but are spaced at different intervals so real short logs go on the front two, medium length on the 2nd & 3rd, longer ones on front 3 or back three, and real long ones on all four.
Also find it a LOT Easier to pull the set lever if you squirt a little oil on the headblocks for the BIG logs to slide on. Otherwise, we've broken the handle a couple times over the years from pulling too hard on it.
Reeves sound Great by the way.
Love the load coming on at about 5.25, engine starts to work 'n smoke up him chimney.
We need "smellavision"
Top stuff, fellas.!
Anyone notice the field mouse jump out of the log at 2:15
Rodney. + +
You did!
hi there nice show . HP was a bit different back then john
How I might get ahold of you. Looking for parts to restore Corley. Look the same as Frick in some cases.
Incredible! There are no guards around those cutting blades!!!
I wonder how many people have lost their balance or slipped onto one of those open blades over the years?
Does a twin cylinder steam engine,have any advantage over a single cylinder engine? I enjoyed the video,especially the stack-talk of that engine,under load.Thanks for posting.
With a single, there are two spots in the rotation that are impossible to start the engine at. With the piston at one end of stroke and the other end. Sometimes you have to rotate the flywheel by hand slightly to get it to go. Two cylinder engines are set up 90 deg out of phase, so you can start any where in the flywheel rotation. Locomotives are set up like that.
George Boyd no
That's a good thing, I hate to get out and push a locomotive to get it to go. LOL Thanks for sharing your cool video with us. Best Wishes n Blessings. Keith Noneya.
George Boyd
I had the same thought for question? Beyond ease of starting does the twin cylinder offer greater torque for the same displacement? Because I would think the stroke would be less to more match the cylinder bore. A shorter stroke will permit higher RPM and usually horsepower but less torque. This is true for gas and diesel engines. I know steam has the advantage of a power stroke in each direction. So being 90 degrees out of phase I would think that a twin cylinder steam engine would have four power strokes per 360 degrees of crank revolution
This is so cool. Thanks for sharing
I believe the tractors steam is driving the saw , I couldn't figure out how it was getting power to the log carriage , I would like to have seen that system
Do you happen to know about the drive belt? Such as how long it is and how much did it cost? It looks pretty new.
+austinwagoncompany That belt is 8" wide and 160ft long. It has a laminated splice so it is a continuous loop. With pulley diameter and such, that makes the engine crank and saw mandrel about 65ft apart. I recently got a quote from www.ibtinc.com/ for one. Their item number 82300226. It was 7" X 150ft with splice and was almost $900. The belt in the video came from IBT.
fixyerdigger cool! Thanks. Now I have an idea of what to expect as I need a new belt for mine.
I realize that you asked this question a year ago but I thought you might like to know,,,I have an old frick O and I run it with a ford tractor...for flat belts I use hay baler belts and splice them together end to end...lots cheaper and works just as well
yeah the good old days! lol i enjoyed the mouse aswell, he was running for his life :)
Does the steam engine run at full throttle all the time? Or does it have a governer? Does the sawyer have a throttle control to add more power when making a cut? Great video!
There is a governor. The sawyer will test he blade RPM and have the engine operator adjust the governor for the saw. Most saws around here run 450-500. The engine will run about 250, which is a typical maximum. Pulley ratios make up the difference. While the saw is in operation, the engineer is mostly a fireman and oiler. The governor manages power applied by keeping the speed constant. Well, sort of... The engine speed will droop while in a cut on smaller engines because there isn't enough horsepower. If the RPM droops too much, the saw blade heats, cuts hard, and cuts crooked. The sawyer will manage the droop by adjusting the feed rate of the log. With experience, the sawyer does this instinctively by listening to the saw and adjusting his pull on the stick. Some sawmills will have an "idle down" lever that the sawyer will operate when loading/turning logs. This is attached by wire to the engine governor and cuts engine RPM. At some shows you may see the engineer do this manually as a courtesy to the sawyer.
CarrotCaptain seized
13 hp,no more??Incredible torque.
You guys are very ingenious praise God. !!!!!!
You should have a guard of some sort on those drive pulleys !
nice video. thanks for posting.
How is the diameter of the saw???30 inches,,,more or less???
54"
54 inches??wow!!! 1.37 mt diameter. Thanks
never seen a Reeves that small. only 30 HP ones. twin cyl even on the small one
Did anyone notice the mouse at 216?
Good video
Berry good boys
at 2:17 mouse running on the botton left from under the saw mill tracks. lol
9:20 That's my fireplace mantel. You can stop right there.
Paul Weatherby , "LOL" . That's a beautiful "hunk" of wood. Your fireplace must be HUGE.
I don't think that saw is OSHA approved !!!!!!
A few death traps in that work environment. Better be paying attention. And for the record .. these folks are called 'Real Men'
Wow they do a lot of talking to each other!
That's cool
@ 3:30 to 4:15 there are 2 alien figures revealed!
That 13hp, is surely a misprint, i would guess that as a 50 hp steam engine. I seen a Super M Farmall on a sawmill in Indiana, it handle it about the same way !
It's 13 hp on the draw bar and about 40 on the belt but just about all the engines back then were under rated.
Jim Farmall
13HP. That's the way they were rated back then. It would probably be equivalent to an M. Super M might be a little more.
that is the true hp...hp ratings today are vastly over rated. Would a person really believe a 300hp compact car had more hp than a 'two horse' team of belgian draft horses (think about it). try hooking them together back to back to see what would happen ! My team of Belgians got excited and ran away hooked to a stuck Massey Harris tractor, scared my son to death on the tractor!!!!!!!
@@rsgpartsdivision I know this is kinda late, but that 13 HP is actually the drawbar rating. Rated flywheel horsepower would be about 3x that, or 39 HP, although it can probably put out 50+ if fired really hard.
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Nice bro
absolutely fantastic guys, and over 110 years old, wouldnt see any of that chinese crap last 10 years at best.
In these days of OHSA and similar in other countries. I always feel they are created simply to create jobs for the idle, half the time they don't seem to know anything about the job that is being done, so they simply tell everyone to put on as much 'safety equipment' as they can think of - a lot of which gets in the way and hinders/slows you down working. Most, if not all of what you are doing only needs 'common sense' plus 'respect' for the tools you are using - I have always found if you are slightly frightened of what you are using, (especially moving machinery), you will be perfectly safe.
That blade needs a guard around it! God forbid someone trips onto it when the log is not being cut... look at it... its just there spinning in the open with the gentleman on the ramp next to it... come on guys there has to be a feature which could be installed!
Log is more dangerous than the blade. It's just the way it is. Always keep your wits about always pay attention.
Noted... I love the whole antique nature of the undertaking BUT I'm just scared for you guys... Be safe now... Cheers!
There is a feature that used to be commonly installed on all humans, it was called Personal Responsibility. It's getting kinda rare now though.
now thats hot
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Yes saw mouse
Sadly, this is inefficient and dangerous. Thumbs down
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