I'll be pleasantly surprised if the landing booster has so much roll control that the small pins line up precisely with the catch rails. It's more likely the grid fins will hit the catch arms. And according to the best part is no part design philosophy I wonder why the grid fins aren't used for stacking and catching.
Here is a guess: The wallthickness of the grid fins need to be increased to become strong enough to hold the ~200t of the booster. But such grid fins would cause too much aerodynamical drag during ascent.
1. There is some margin for the angle of the roll that can be handled. The circumference is so large that it is almost flat for about a meter. 2. The grid fins are supported by the axels of the electric motors. Landing on them would deform them beyond repair. I also doubt they are thick enough to not shear off.
The booster has about 18 degrees of margin for the pins to land on the rails. I'm sure it can also do last minute roll control if it really needed to as well
I believe Kathy said the other day that that was put on hold for the time being. They want to finish up some of their other projects first if I recall correctly. Visually there hasn't been any recent progress to my knowledge
So they were slapping the booster on a place, where the dome is, so basically structuraly strong place, but what if they hit it in the middle of two domes, where it might not be so strong? Even though it will be presurized.
sean is a busy bee. so is mary. nice shots. love to see them. saturday night progress update. :D tower rises. interestiing new ablative material. we'll see how it works. yo
The Slap testing was amazing! SpaceX is moving with urgency and focus. The rest of the space industry is either flailing around or sitting on their duffs waiting for the next paycheck.
Right? Imagine where we might be if the rest of the industry had this kind of energy...but nope for 50 years it was just more of the same with some improvements here and there but nothing like we're seeing from SpaceX
SpaceX needs to have The DOD apply for the permits to dredge a new channel and build their own port at Boca Chica. The spoils from the dredging to be used as fill at The Launch Site. The DOD want's a lot of things from SpaceX going forward. It only seems fair that The DOD gives them something in return. I say The DOD because it's less likely to run into the "Red Tape" in the permitting process, than SpaceX would have to deal with ! The winners would be The DOD, NASA, SpaceX and The American Taxpayer. As it would streamline the whole operation there and save the Taxpayer a ton of money ! The Losers, Some mud, a few Mullet and a few Environmental "Cry baby's" !
I'm still highly doubtful.... Yes the general position of SH required for a catch should be easy to achieve. Chopsticks sure can handle any misalignment from the target spot. However the orientation of the pins has me worried. Can they really control the booster so precisely that the pins will be perpendicular to the chopsticks? These seems like a level of control that's very difficult to achieve.
The rear flaps had no issues during re-entry. They might evolve slightly over time to reduce mass but that is a solved issue. The front flaps are a complete redesign coming with block 2 starships. In the meantime they are “throwing a bunch of mass” at bulking up the heat shield on and around them for the few remaining block 1 flights.
I read a paper the other day part written by nasa scientists, looking at using an EM field to divert plasma around a craft during reentry. Under lab conditions, they figured out how much power it would need to output and even what GHz it would take to punch a radio signal through. That paper was written in 2009! It baffles me why no one has even tried building a prototype for testing in real-world conditions. The paper says scientists have been toying with this idea since the late 50's! I'm really no expert on EMF's but if it works, why are we still using dodgy unreliable heat tiles?
Obviously, because there is insufficient evidence and funds for such a test vehicle. Theoretical proposals in the 50's is no predictor for when a test can be attempted. Neutrinos were theorized 80 years ago but technology to put the tiny subatomic particle to use are still on the drawing boards. There are numerous other examples as well. Progressing from theory to practical application is very slow.
@@michaeldeierhoi4096 using magnetic fields to control the flow of plasma is common knowledge these days, especially with the amount of tokomak fusion reactors being experimented with. Even Musk should look at this and be slightly curious. Progress never gets anywhere unless you take a second step.
Where's the redundancy? If there is a fault in the system, do they still have the ablative shield installed as a backup. So practically, it's not worth the risk for humans. However, it could be good for small return experiments, samples from the moon with a much smaller contact area.
@@kennybevan11 If is such common knowledge then why hasn't it been implemented in this case you describe? All tell you why. Because magnetic containment in a confined space is one thing such as in an experimental fusion reactor, but it is quite another thing altogether to use magnetic containment in a spacecraft streaming through the atmosphere at 25,000 kmh.
The left arm hasn't gotten the upgrades the right one did to move quickly. For now they're likely testing the control of the arm, and once they dial it in they can just copy it for the other one and be ready to go
They too long and heavy so they wobble. My guess is that's gonna be worked on sometime soon or maybe after launch. Apparently the ones on pad B will be shorter
At first blush Capturing the rockets in-flight seemed like a neat idea. Right now, not so much. Simple inertia of those massive arms does not look like a solvable problem. Land them on a barge off shore. You really know how to do that without destroying half of Brownsville.
The 2nd generation of chopsticks they biilt over a year ago are shorter to address the known inertial issue. They already demonstrated the ability control booster to come in and hover at a specific point. Even if the catch fails the worst case scenario is the already outdated tower & launch pad are destroyed along with the tank farm. There is nowhere near enough explosive capacity in the tank farm to endanger even the production site let alone the 30 miles to Brownsville. It will cause a longer delay. That is all. The 2nd tower is mostly built and planned to be ready by October. Even in the worst case they will be ready to launch again by the end of the year with a new tank farm.
Given that the Booster will be almost empty of fuel on landing AND the 'Chopsticks' will be off-set away from the OLM, all I can see in a missed catch, is a big crack in the concrete where it hits with 200 tonnes of momentum at 133km/hr (83miles/hr) based on a 70meter drop.
Everyone needs to check out the supreme court decision on the chevron doctrine. I think it will have a profound effect on SpaceX and Tesla. After you have read it please tell me what you think.
The problem with overturning the precedent of the Chevron doctrine by the SC is that instead of agencies having oversight to address the things like atmospheric pollutant safety levels, water quality or drug safety standards now that purview will fall to the courts who lack the expertise to address those issues. That is a preliminary assessment from one attorney and the reality is the impact on life in the United States will take some time to unravel. And none of that impact is expected to be positive for the people of this country not to mention wildlife or the environment!!!
At least the arms aren't made of sausages, that would be the wurst.
Like that joke! Nice one. 😁
As always you guys and gals are at the right place to get us the right shots. Thanks NSF
That's not a slap, that's a love tap
I'll be pleasantly surprised if the landing booster has so much roll control that the small pins line up precisely with the catch rails.
It's more likely the grid fins will hit the catch arms.
And according to the best part is no part design philosophy I wonder why the grid fins aren't used for stacking and catching.
Here is a guess: The wallthickness of the grid fins need to be increased to become strong enough to hold the ~200t of the booster. But such grid fins would cause too much aerodynamical drag during ascent.
1. There is some margin for the angle of the roll that can be handled. The circumference is so large that it is almost flat for about a meter.
2. The grid fins are supported by the axels of the electric motors. Landing on them would deform them beyond repair. I also doubt they are thick enough to not shear off.
The booster has about 18 degrees of margin for the pins to land on the rails. I'm sure it can also do last minute roll control if it really needed to as well
I love all the close-ups and around starbase content you have put in this update, thanks NSF team.
How about an update on the store being built for the community and workers, it’s still related to SpaceX
I believe Kathy said the other day that that was put on hold for the time being. They want to finish up some of their other projects first if I recall correctly. Visually there hasn't been any recent progress to my knowledge
So they were slapping the booster on a place, where the dome is, so basically structuraly strong place, but what if they hit it in the middle of two domes, where it might not be so strong? Even though it will be presurized.
I've spent years filming cars, but I'd love to film this stuff too
sean is a busy bee. so is mary. nice shots. love to see them. saturday night progress update. :D
tower rises. interestiing new ablative material. we'll see how it works. yo
The Slap testing was amazing! SpaceX is moving with urgency and focus. The rest of the space industry is either flailing around or sitting on their duffs waiting for the next paycheck.
Right? Imagine where we might be if the rest of the industry had this kind of energy...but nope for 50 years it was just more of the same with some improvements here and there but nothing like we're seeing from SpaceX
SpaceX needs to have The DOD apply for the permits to dredge a new channel and build their own port at Boca Chica. The spoils from the dredging to be used as fill at The Launch Site. The DOD want's a lot of things from SpaceX going forward. It only seems fair that The DOD gives them something in return. I say The DOD because it's less likely to run into the "Red Tape" in the permitting process, than SpaceX would have to deal with ! The winners would be The DOD, NASA, SpaceX and The American Taxpayer. As it would streamline the whole operation there and save the Taxpayer a ton of money ! The Losers, Some mud, a few Mullet and a few Environmental "Cry baby's" !
Great video footage Mary, Sean, & SBL! Also thank you NSF for another great SpaceX Boca Chica Update!!
Guys, watching the first catch attempt is gonna be wild.
I'm still highly doubtful.... Yes the general position of SH required for a catch should be easy to achieve. Chopsticks sure can handle any misalignment from the target spot.
However the orientation of the pins has me worried. Can they really control the booster so precisely that the pins will be perpendicular to the chopsticks? These seems like a level of control that's very difficult to achieve.
seeing all the tile work makes me wish for a timelapse from one camera from the initial rework to finish
Thanks Mary and Sean.
OMG, the ratchet straps on the hardware on the barge! They went to all the Home Depots.
Nice snapshot format.
The flaps will need to get rounded of edges in the rear, sharp edges produces extreme hotspots during re-entry
The rear flaps had no issues during re-entry. They might evolve slightly over time to reduce mass but that is a solved issue. The front flaps are a complete redesign coming with block 2 starships. In the meantime they are “throwing a bunch of mass” at bulking up the heat shield on and around them for the few remaining block 1 flights.
Awesome
THESE IMAGES WILL BE USED FOR A KNOCK OFF ROCKET WHOS CAPABILITIES WILL ONE DAY EXCEED THAT OF THE SPACE EX. THANK YOUSELVES FOR THAT
Calm down and turn off the Caps Lock. Then go away and do not return.
@@davidg3944 COULD BE ONE OF THE FOLKS THAT WANT KNOCK THIS ROCKET OFF
Neat!
. . . the sticks themselves" - plural
Woww😮 this people are beyond impressive
Thanks!
Can't believe it's really happening so they decided to slap themselves to make sure test 5 will catch super heavy booster!
I read a paper the other day part written by nasa scientists, looking at using an EM field to divert plasma around a craft during reentry. Under lab conditions, they figured out how much power it would need to output and even what GHz it would take to punch a radio signal through. That paper was written in 2009! It baffles me why no one has even tried building a prototype for testing in real-world conditions. The paper says scientists have been toying with this idea since the late 50's! I'm really no expert on EMF's but if it works, why are we still using dodgy unreliable heat tiles?
Obviously, because there is insufficient evidence and funds for such a test vehicle. Theoretical proposals in the 50's is no predictor for when a test can be attempted.
Neutrinos were theorized 80 years ago but technology to put the tiny subatomic particle to use are still on the drawing boards. There are numerous other examples as well.
Progressing from theory to practical application is very slow.
@@michaeldeierhoi4096 using magnetic fields to control the flow of plasma is common knowledge these days, especially with the amount of tokomak fusion reactors being experimented with. Even Musk should look at this and be slightly curious. Progress never gets anywhere unless you take a second step.
Where's the redundancy? If there is a fault in the system, do they still have the ablative shield installed as a backup. So practically, it's not worth the risk for humans.
However, it could be good for small return experiments, samples from the moon with a much smaller contact area.
@David-yo5ws precisely, use the ablative heat shield as one time use backup. It's a decent backup as you don't need to turn anything on.
@@kennybevan11 If is such common knowledge then why hasn't it been implemented in this case you describe? All tell you why.
Because magnetic containment in a confined space is one thing such as in an experimental fusion reactor, but it is quite another thing altogether to use magnetic containment in a spacecraft streaming through the atmosphere at 25,000 kmh.
What are we going to call Stubby Arm Tower?
tyrannosaurus stix
that’s way funnier than it has any right to be man
Mechazooky
Is that the permanent location of the parking garage, or will it be moved later to the office building??
Great work.I wish to God for successful this project.
Reminds me of the movie Contact where they're building the Big space travel machine.
If there's no life up there it's an awful waste of space.
Nothing is a waste of time moe.....nothing
OK to go... OK to go...
You can do this (I'm that guy waterboy)
Let's see how long those tower sections stay white for. 🔥
Thanks so much for the content everyone!
Shooot just look at that CC-8800-1……
thank you for all your hard work for us to watch
Is tower B going to be THE WHITE TOWER?
Starship is like a giant bird! 😆 🤣 😂
Does anyone know, on launch pad 2, is there a flame "trench" or a flame "plate" (as on the launch pad 1) yet, at least planned?
Reminds me of the 1924 film "He Who Gets Slapped"
Surely they would have to move both arms to catch something, so why is that one static? It just seems a bit odd.
The left arm hasn't gotten the upgrades the right one did to move quickly. For now they're likely testing the control of the arm, and once they dial it in they can just copy it for the other one and be ready to go
Cohesion - Boeing please take note....
Are the chopsticks supposed to oscillate like that when they capture the vehicle or was that a test of some kind?
They too long and heavy so they wobble. My guess is that's gonna be worked on sometime soon or maybe after launch. Apparently the ones on pad B will be shorter
Congratulations🎉🌟🤍💙❤️
"This video has no commentary" lol 😂
thanks team....
YOU PEOPLE ARE MESSING UP THE WRATHER!!!..
Wrap the aluminum foil a little tighter, your brain is leaking out.
What was that blimp in the background of the Barge shot?
That's the border patrol's aerostat. Used for surveilling the area
@@thomashayden804 interesting, ty!
At first blush
Capturing the rockets in-flight seemed like a neat idea. Right now, not so much. Simple inertia of those massive arms does not look like a solvable problem. Land them on a barge off shore. You really know how to do that without destroying half of Brownsville.
The 2nd generation of chopsticks they biilt over a year ago are shorter to address the known inertial issue.
They already demonstrated the ability control booster to come in and hover at a specific point. Even if the catch fails the worst case scenario is the already outdated tower & launch pad are destroyed along with the tank farm. There is nowhere near enough explosive capacity in the tank farm to endanger even the production site let alone the 30 miles to Brownsville. It will cause a longer delay. That is all. The 2nd tower is mostly built and planned to be ready by October. Even in the worst case they will be ready to launch again by the end of the year with a new tank farm.
Given that the Booster will be almost empty of fuel on landing AND the 'Chopsticks' will be off-set away from the OLM, all I can see in a missed catch, is a big crack in the concrete where it hits with 200 tonnes of momentum at 133km/hr (83miles/hr) based on a 70meter drop.
BEAUTIFUL
4:11 are they driling foundation piles in to the tower base?
No, on the other side of the tower.
Hello everybody! Incredible design!
Where is ship and booster at IFT 4 ?
At the bottom of the ocean.
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yum
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Everyone needs to check out the supreme court decision on the chevron doctrine. I think it will have a profound effect on SpaceX and Tesla. After you have read it please tell me what you think.
Why would this have any impact on SpaceX? Except maybe making their goal of making humanity multi-planetary even more prescient & pressing.
The problem with overturning the precedent of the Chevron doctrine by the SC is that instead of agencies having oversight to address the things like atmospheric pollutant safety levels, water quality or drug safety standards now that purview will fall to the courts who lack the expertise to address those issues.
That is a preliminary assessment from one attorney and the reality is the impact on life in the United States will take some time to unravel. And none of that impact is expected to be positive for the people of this country not to mention wildlife or the environment!!!
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Am I watching the construction of this mega structure?? I bet so! Better late than never!!! 🗽💥👏👏👏💪🫸💝💐