It was great to hear that you have come to a place of expressing the divine here on Earth Gary rather than a bypass into ecstacy. But what does living the divine actually mean ? Especially in the times that we are living in now although sounds like you find them enjoyable so it's possible that you are not at the pointy end of things. Not like the kids mining cobalt for our technology or working as prostitutes so that emotionally unhealthy adults can get something of their needs for intimacy met whilst still holding power. Yes I feel rage on behalf of people whose circumstances have been created by greed and prejudice and who because they are forced into survival mode, just wouldn't ever have time for this egoic stuff. But its also our animal and plant friends, the oceans going to be mined for more oil and minerals, the earth gradually concreted over and everything just taken. Yes there is beauty in the pain, people with courage and compassion - but seriously there's also a lot of self absorbed people only concerned about their little patch. And who is "God" ? It's hard to tell what you mean from your response but implicit in the question is a belief in some spiritual authority figure who will come to our aid. Well all those kids crying themselves to sleep at night praying for relief from Him, how do you think they feel when the shit keeps happening to them. Perhaps they are too much caught up in their victimhood or not genuine enough ?? The Aboriginals girls put into church schools who ran away only to be raped by their employers, wealthy white farmers and then those babies taken away from them - was that not "genuine" enough for God ? The kids committing suicide, the young people not willing to bring babies into the world. I don't buy all this choice to come and play here business whilst that kind of thing goes on on this Earth. That is a denial that humans are responsible for most of the suffering on this planet and those of us enabling the violence and the abuse, are just as responsible as the perpetrators when we focus just on our own little egoic ascension. Part of the reason we are responsible is that we turn our backs caught up in our own self esteem problems. Anyone who is in any way enlightened has got to be feeling so much pain right now at the state of our world because you feel it as you because it is you.... if you are not feeling that, you are caught up in some sort of separation from the whole of Life.
I appreciate your reply. Certainly much to discuss. And perhaps I am completely wrong about all of it, or a lot of it. However, it is my experience. For reference, by God I mean all the matter, energy, light, intelligence, and consciousness of the Universe.
I agree with your definition of GOD as all matter energy which therefore means you and I as humans are both God as are those traumatised children. Which begs the question of what is the responsibility that goes with that divine power or the resource of enlightenment. Because it says to me from that that we are co creating our lives with each other and the planet not just me have a personal ascension into bliss and magically that changes everything elsewhere. I think that is the kind of bullshit we have been programmed by religions with- that spirituality is some kind of individual experience which in a way it is but it is also the collective. I suppose the question I am wrestling with is if enlightenment personally and living in bliss is said to have a profound effect on the world around us, why aren't/haven't we seen the results for all people. animals and the earth ? Even in past times when awakened and ascended masters have lived - things have not changed. It kind of feels like blind trust in faith... which is what religions have traded on to remain as individuals not an interrelational cosmos where it's not just being - it's acting speaking and seeing from that place in the world with the intention of Love in the world, not just the blissed out version of Love but holding people accountable, setting boundaries, speaking up for those that can't speak for themselves. I'm not sure what you mean by "it is your experience" but that phrase kind of communicates a static sort of thing which may not be what you mean at all. It would be good to understand what you do mean.
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Also true.
It was great to hear that you have come to a place of expressing the divine here on Earth Gary rather than a bypass into ecstacy. But what does living the divine actually mean ? Especially in the times that we are living in now although sounds like you find them enjoyable so it's possible that you are not at the pointy end of things. Not like the kids mining cobalt for our technology or working as prostitutes so that emotionally unhealthy adults can get something of their needs for intimacy met whilst still holding power. Yes I feel rage on behalf of people whose circumstances have been created by greed and prejudice and who because they are forced into survival mode, just wouldn't ever have time for this egoic stuff. But its also our animal and plant friends, the oceans going to be mined for more oil and minerals, the earth gradually concreted over and everything just taken. Yes there is beauty in the pain, people with courage and compassion - but seriously there's also a lot of self absorbed people only concerned about their little patch.
And who is "God" ? It's hard to tell what you mean from your response but implicit in the question is a belief in some spiritual authority figure who will come to our aid. Well all those kids crying themselves to sleep at night praying for relief from Him, how do you think they feel when the shit keeps happening to them. Perhaps they are too much caught up in their victimhood or not genuine enough ?? The Aboriginals girls put into church schools who ran away only to be raped by their employers, wealthy white farmers and then those babies taken away from them - was that not "genuine" enough for God ? The kids committing suicide, the young people not willing to bring babies into the world.
I don't buy all this choice to come and play here business whilst that kind of thing goes on on this Earth. That is a denial that humans are responsible for most of the suffering on this planet and those of us enabling the violence and the abuse, are just as responsible as the perpetrators when we focus just on our own little egoic ascension. Part of the reason we are responsible is that we turn our backs caught up in our own self esteem problems.
Anyone who is in any way enlightened has got to be feeling so much pain right now at the state of our world because you feel it as you because it is you.... if you are not feeling that, you are caught up in some sort of separation from the whole of Life.
I appreciate your reply. Certainly much to discuss. And perhaps I am completely wrong about all of it, or a lot of it. However, it is my experience.
For reference, by God I mean all the matter, energy, light, intelligence, and consciousness of the Universe.
I agree with your definition of GOD as all matter energy which therefore means you and I as humans are both God as are those traumatised children. Which begs the question of what is the responsibility that goes with that divine power or the resource of enlightenment. Because it says to me from that that we are co creating our lives with each other and the planet not just me have a personal ascension into bliss and magically that changes everything elsewhere. I think that is the kind of bullshit we have been programmed by religions with- that spirituality is some kind of individual experience which in a way it is but it is also the collective.
I suppose the question I am wrestling with is if enlightenment personally and living in bliss is said to have a profound effect on the world around us, why aren't/haven't we seen the results for all people. animals and the earth ? Even in past times when awakened and ascended masters have lived - things have not changed.
It kind of feels like blind trust in faith... which is what religions have traded on to remain as individuals not an interrelational cosmos where it's not just being - it's acting speaking and seeing from that place in the world with the intention of Love in the world, not just the blissed out version of Love but holding people accountable, setting boundaries, speaking up for those that can't speak for themselves.
I'm not sure what you mean by "it is your experience" but that phrase kind of communicates a static sort of thing which may not be what you mean at all. It would be good to understand what you do mean.