We are Americans living in Taiwan with two preschoolers, so we have tons of opportunities to interact, even travel, with other parents with kids-parents who are not personal friends. We have *never* seen parents hitting kids in public. Isolated incidents, I am sure, but none of the prevalence you make it out to be.
Are you in Taipei? IMO in some ways Taipei is a decade or more developed than other cities in Taiwan both infrastructure-wise and culturally. Definitely more things like say, littering, breaking traffic rules, etc, happens more in the other cities, so I would assume parents hitting kids, too.
They made clear it wasn't prevalent! Rather, the children are so well behaved that discipline isn't generally necessary for misbehaving children in public.
We traveled up and down both coasts and never witnessed public hitting. Nobody in this discussion saw any either. Yet, we are ready to generalize the sensational words of a couple who witnessed ONE incident to the whole population. It defies logic.
To be honest, as a Taiwanese I have never seen any parent hit their children in public (because of 面子). But still there r some parents would punish their children by hitting hands at home (or make them standing for hours). Taiwanese children are now usually be viewed as "spoiled". I have seen many kids being out of control in public (like playing hide and seek in Starbucks) and their parents just let them be. Which is very impolite and annoying. 20 years ago, Taiwanese parents were too harsh and unreasonable, well now they are too gentle and kinda careless.
returning to Taiwan after 10 years, my mom and sister screamed at me when i dumped a piece of trash into the bin. They explained the complicated system to me, confused me more. i could not do it right but mom would dig the bins and put everything i dumped into the right bin. I ended up asking which bin before i dump anything. I am confused but I am proud of Taiwan.
Love the walk and talk. The cicadas were loud but it was nice to hear. Their trash game is off the hook. If only all countries took it as seriously. 👍🏻
Enjoyable video! I'm so glad you addressed drinking in public. When the video started I was in shock seeing you guys walking around drinking beer (generally, you can't do that in the U.S. outside of outdoor festivals or in New Orleans)!
For the 3rd issue regarding whether the Taiwanese parents discipline their children properly, I shall say that it is much better than those old days now.
Living in Asia has definitely mellowed me out too. Back in the UK I wasn't exactly living on "edge" all the time but a confrontation could always pop up. It's just not likely to happen here and it's chilled me right out. Edit** Haha! I should have waited until the end of the video to comment. I'd totally forgot about that! Haha! That mother wasn't messing around!
沒有標題? No title? The title should be "3 Things NOT to do in TAIWAN". Anyway, it's great to watch your video! 😄👍 Allan 發現 Prozzie 說錯的反應好像哥哥在擔心弟弟，好有愛！ 你把台中的夜景拍得好美，完全不輸國外的大城市，好有才！
Im getting to like Alan, sorta growing on me...You two make a cool duo! Thanks for representing Canada in the positive way you do and continuing to make me proud to be Canadian...Stay safe brother and keep yer stick on the ice ;)
Living in Taiwan definitely mellowed/matured me also, more than just the time of years passing does. Good call. Oh and those parents that are strict also choose their child's future studies and life for them. Director Ang Lee had to graduate in his father's choice of discipline before he was allowed to study movie making and follow HIS dream. Not his father's.
Nice to start the video on that pedestrian flyover at Formosa Boulevard and then continuing to Maple Garden. Two things I know not to do: Whistle a tune when staying at my friends' house in the Dakeng area or when visiting any Taiwanese at their houses. Summoning ghosts and stuff. Stick your chopsticks into a bowl of rice (that incense and offering for the ghosts thing). As for the littering: in some areas there really is a lack of trash cans in the public, but you can take the freedom of putting an empty can or cup in a private trash can at the side of the road. So I plead guilty for mixing types of trash. But the amount of plastic one-way packaging really is mind-boggling in Taiwan - would like to see things improve here.
Okay, the content was all good and great to know, but that scenery you were walking through looked epic. I hope you captured and will share some of those beautiful location shots, or will capture more. I'm not saying that sometimes that background is more interesting than the foreground...but...well, the background scenery looked pretty nice. Carpe diem, mes amis.
Def looking forward to walk around like this once i get out if this quarantine! I just moved back from states Really like your style of video, keep up the great work
Please do more videos with Alan!!! You guys have a great chemistry together making videos. (I especially like the part where you mimic Alan's Scouse accent)
I enjoyed watching your new vedio Prozzie and Allan,and i miss taiwan so much❤❤ It reminds me every moment that i had when i was there💔💞 Taiwan is a very accommodating country and people are disciplined😊😍 I miss Taiwan so much and my Taiwanese friends,special mention LOUISA AND YAO in XITUN DISTRICT,TAICHUNG CITY I LOVE YOU AND MISS U MUCH GUYS😘😘😍😍
In texas we call them locusts, but they are actually cicada's. It just means its summer time. In another video you mentioned Akira, Is that the one where they are yelling Tetsuo over and over as everything is destroyed? Their "Whack the kid" discipline style reminds me of growing up in the south. but neighbors and teachers could do it too.
This is kind of weird to say, but going with non-confrontation and all that, I feel like Taiwan taught me to have a healthier respect for rules/the government/authority in general. In that in Taiwan compared to the West there are sometimes more customs like lanes on escalators, various rules with the MRT, etc, that need to exist to keep everything working right, and for the most part are followed by locals. But then at the same time, I feel like Taiwanese authorities if you make an honest effort, are generally kind and understanding and not out to get you or make your life hell, and always at least as a foreigner treat you very respectfully. Coming back to USA, though the situation is obviously not the same at all for both the general population and authorities, I feel like learning this sort of deferment to authority attitude has helped out a lot in USA compared to my rebellious teenager kind of attitude before, and I feel like perhaps as a teenager/etc I wouldn't be mentally prepared for Taiwan or Japan with this kind of culture. We can see it now with Corona and the anti-mask situation, and lines/etc, where if both the people and authority had simple respect for each other the problems wouldn't be as bad as they are now.
That's so true! It's like more consideration. We're not just a bunch of egocentric MEs. We're a single me within a much larger group, with consideration for the group. If you look after the group, it looks after you. Case in point: handling of the coronavirus in Taiwan. Yet democracy is maintained and people haven't lost their individuality. Perfect balance.
@@victorc2463 That's true it's the main reason, but over half your population didn't say "I'm doing what I want and I don't care because me, I'm not wearing a mask because I don't want to!"
@@GilBatesLovesyou Exactly! Yes, the rightful lack of trust of the CCP got us off to a great start, but people followed through and took responsibility like the grown-ass adults that we are. The small amount of discomfort from wearing a mask is nothing if we are helping to keep each other safe at the end of the day.
0:59 Talk about cicadas, I'm in Houston and the cicadas here are really ... quiet(?) I mean I heard them sing but the power is really low, it's like it is dying. It can only sing about 3 notes with very weak .... almost like poor contact sound XD
As a little girl grew up in Tainan back in the 60s, it's common for me to get whipped with a stick by the elementary school teachers if I forgot to turn in my homework. Even got some bruises back then.
7:25 prossi mentioned an important aspect of Taiwan, theres some public group suggest Taiwanese parents should learn "how to be a parent?". BC we shouldn't educate our kids in the same way we were educated My generation always said : I know this is bad, but I was treated this way when I was young and I was OK when I grow up... 這一段真的要注意，台灣已經開始有「父母也要學當父母」的公共呼籲，但我這一代總是認為：我知道這樣教是錯的，但我也被我父母這樣教，我長大也沒怎樣... 還好台灣的教育機關已經大大改變了
In fact, Taiwan's laws still regulate the corporal punishment of parents on their children, and excessive punishment will still be prosecuted; and others can also directly intervene to prevent or notify the police and relevant units to deal with it.
I live in a rural area, throwing out a banana peel or Applecore is not considered littering. Obviously you wouldn’t throw it on a city street or sidewalk.
In Montreal, there are garbage inspectors who look in our bins late at night to make sure garbage is with garbage, recyclables are in the recycling bin and organics is in the organics bin. Otherwise, you get fined. But public littering is a problem, I do admit.
Very much on point. So true about "The Great Mellowing!" My only pet peeve about the aversion to littering is the lack of receptacles in public places. It actually keeps me from buying tea or coffee; I'm too lazy to carry the cup around all day. One I would add would be "Don't mess with the press!" (Luckily, most of us are nobodies, so this likely won't apply to us.) Taiwanese press will do anything for a story, including making up random "facts," and they have been known to ruin reputations with unprofessional reporting. It's awful!
@@stig I don't know if Taiwan has the same mentality, but I grew up in the UK in the 80's with the message that "Every bin could be a bomb" due to the IRA attacks at the time. Then, on my frequent trips to Japan I also lamented the lack of bins, until I realised that they also had the Aum Shinrikyo sarin gas attacks in the '90s and it may well be a public safety issue as much as it is a waste collection issue. 0.0
@@sublevel03 nah, here, it's more like, "People will cheat and put their excess personal rubbish in the public bins!" I'm not entirely sure that they're wrong...
Taiwanese are actually very political and have a lot of opinions on politics. The fact like we have a huge gap of political difference in generations. We have all come to agree to disagree and there is no point talking to avoid confrontation in the family and workplace(people in the management are most likely the old generation too)
@@GilBatesLovesyou The policing culture is indeed crazy in the USA. We have more sympathy torward our parents generation and what they had to go through either its during the white terror or fled from China to Taiwan. We kind of are more understanding where they are coming from and just accept the situation.
Throwing a can in the trash still isn't really a big deal in the Ottawa-Gatineau area, but in Vancouver and Toronto, people are getting fines over the whole shabang (for context).
Taiwan only just decriminalized adultery a few months ago, but before that adultery was actually a criminal offense, and foreigners have been charged and deported for adultery in the past, believe it or not. I was told by someone living in Taiwan in the 80s that one of his foreign friends got arrested and deported with trumped up charges for cheating on another dude's wife, the dude had connections with police/etc. Though the courts have struck down the law, as a foreigner it's probably best to not tempt fate with adultery, either if you're legally married or having an affair with someone married.
If you think corporal punishment is a problem now, you should know that it's way better now compared to old times. Kid get hung up to a tree, or locked up in animal cages, I kid you not. During my childhood, teachers deemed corporal punishment a valid way to motivate studying, and parents would try to put their kids in class with teacher known for harsh discipline.
I heard stories of "speech therapy" by putting marbles in kids mouths back then. I think a lot of Taiwanese Boomers and Gen X growing up in the martial law times have a negative opinion about Taiwan and think it's the worst place in the world (even when it's objectively speaking one of the best) because they grew up under really abusive authority in the martial law times, not just police and politicians, but teachers/etc doing really nasty things like that, so they hate the whole country because of that.
@@GilBatesLovesyou I can only speak for myself but I think people learn silence instead of hatred in suppression. Elders today (boomer gen) learned to remain voiceless regarding politics, especially when they think/ act against the authority. They don't hate Taiwan, it's very difficult to hate the land you live on, they have bitter love towards Taiwan.
We do value highly of harmony so we will avoid arguments but if you really disagree the others opinion, we usually will walk away or stop chatting. As for the kids, I think now body punishing is really rare compare before since there are not so many kids in Taiwan.
Regarding the 3rd matter, it is rare to see parents displine their chidren in public. If it would be too much, other people would interfere by advising the parents to stop.
Taiwanese do care about politics but they will not argue in public but on line. As I was a child, you could not talk politics in public, if you says something wrong, you will be put into jail. That might be the major reason leads to most Taiwanese do not discuss politics in public. And the other reason is Taiwanese do not like argue with others.
And 50 years ago if anyone talk bad about the government...you will be killed by the government on the street.... And back when we were kid, we were not allow speak Taiwanese in school at all...the teacher would slap your hand
Passengers can drink or eat on a regular TRA train or THSRC train. But both eating or drinking are not allowed in any of the MRT stations and trains. Funny isn't it?
It would make a lot of sense to have some dedicated workers with the job of sorting trash, instead of requiring every individual to do it. It would be more economically efficient, which means it would save everybody time and money. Plus, the only people who would have to sort the trash would be paid money to do it.
You and Allan have to be more careful about road rage in TaiChung, as the city named "Gotham City" or "Bullet City" in Taiwan haha... As for the politics, we do talk about that, but we only talk with those who stand the same side, the gap among blue/green/white party is HUGE and it's better not to even start the topics.
Ha, can't get caught littering. I can't say how many times there was a tied shopping bag packed with home trash in the middle of a scooter bridge turn off loop. A little distance behind you and no-one sees the dump. You must have seen it. Good one boyz.
When we see the garbagy isn't properly classified, for exemple a can in the general trash, we'd picture at the same time: "the little has taken wrong flight..." (๏д๏) Then we'd go like "Hey, you should classify like this and that..."
When I first came to Taiwan I thought the non-confrontation was a result of being nice and chill and since I’m nice and chill I loved it. After a few years here I’m a lot more skeptical. Taiwanese people do plenty of bad to each other (and foreigners) every day, they just hide it. I think that’s why you see people lining up for the bus like Boy Scouts but on the street in front people behind their tinted windows drive like life wasn’t worth 5 cents. I would call it cowardly, but they probably call it something else. In my own country people almost compulsively say what they think and I used to hate that. Now I’m starting to miss that feeling of honesty.
I'm from the Northeast in USA, and in some ways the "face" or "niceness" culture of Taiwan is actually similar to here I found, just Taiwanese actually do feel more genuine about it, and seem to have less underlying aggression/anger. They're also more outgoing overall. I think maybe Prozzie said the same about Taiwan vs Canada, too. Driving could improve in Taiwan (and it has compared to the past) but at least statistically Taiwan is in line with USA for driving deaths, both are at 12 per 100K for traffic deaths, but Taiwan might be somewhat more inaccurate as Taiwan only counts a death if the person dies within 2 weeks of an accident. Some US states surprisingly are about Vietnam or Indian level, like Mississippi at 22-23 per 100K. Also a kind of weird thing is seemingly Taiwanese law has a lot of leeway for suing people, in some ways it seems easier to sue people or employers than USA.
@@GilBatesLovesyou lol heck yeah I'm impressed by what you can use to sue people in TW. Like exchanging angry words in public and that ends up being sued for insult in public. Doesn't the legal system gets bogged down with all these?
@@polarbear1600 Weirdly I went with my friend to a police station for him to file a motion to sue an employer for not paying overtime there, and you can actually go file court motions 24 hours a day there, like 7-11. :D We went at like 8-9PM. For court itself in these small civil cases, you're not even really going to "court" in the sense of wood paneled room/etc, according to my friend a lot of time it's just in a random office room. I guess it's similar to US small claims court or arbitration. On a dark side, like in the mainland, in Taiwan they actually had a problem in the 1970s-1990s of people hitting people and backing over them, like there's been stories of in the mainland. The legal system worked in that you only had to compensate once for killing someone in an accident, but if they were injured you were entitled to give lifetime compensation, so some people figured they'd rather do 20-30 years in prison and save their family compensation. I think the law changed to stop this, but on introducing universal healthcare in the 90s Taiwan changed as a society, as with universal healthcare to cover injury costs, it saves money for employers and gives people less incentive to sue in accidents. www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/12/07/taiwanese-police-launch-dna-probe-150-yoghurt-drink-theft/ One of the most funny legal peculiarities there.
Finally heard the freedom's speech. Not like in my residence country or will be tailgated by the social media, the police and the enemy (no matter from work or the authority).
Not to do, stick chopstick straight up in the middle of bowl of rice, you can't do that both in Taiwan and Japan, as this is what they do in the funeral
Actually most Taiwanese are very political,or at least care about politics. But the thing is since Taiwanese are ridiculously peaceful. They’re most likely not gonna confront you even if you have different opinions.
It actually is a bad thing to do. Banana peels can take months to biodegrade and still attract flies, maggots, etc. I got rather upset when I was with a foreign British friend and he threw one on the ground when we were riding bikes together.
Proz, you're a Canadian, don't you separate your garbage in Canada? I remember living in Toronto and I've to separate the recycable from the biodegradable each week during trash collection day LOL! But when I was living in Chiayi, my landlord took care of the trash. No fuss.
how old is too old to come over to taiwan and how much would someone typically earn? I am 35 and looking for a change from my office job here in the west
I came to Taiwan when I was 41. BEST.DECISION.EVER. How much would you earn depends on what kind of job. If you are a certified English teacher, you can easily get a job for at least 20 dollars per hour. If you don't like teaching and can't speak Chinese, your chances of getting a job diminish dramatically.
Child abuse is a pretty big issue in Taiwan. Thankfully there are now laws making it illegal and parents these days seem more mellow compared to when I grew up there in the 80’s-2000’s. But it’s still there and it’s still a bit of a taboo to advocate against it.
ROC in TAIWAN is The Only Democracy on Chinese Soil No one wants to be called chinese taiwanese,calling a Taiwanese Chinese is the worst insult you can ever say. And also being extremely racist toward Taiwanese aboriginal people? Great job 50 cents 🇨🇳🤡
@ROC in TAIWAN is The Only Democracy on Chinese Soil I think they should create a commonwealth for the Chinese. Problem solved. For the reason why some Taiwanese want to be independent (not part of ROC- independent wise), study your history.. They had no voice since the start of the Qing Dynasty (from the freaking same place where the communists came down from vs KMT). (Ming were still alright), right through to the Japanese and KMT. Most Taiwanese like the fact that Japan actually helped their economy despite the initial invasion losses but they found out they were just focused on themselves when they started massacring everyone when they lost the war and the island. Then KMT came and with a founded hatred for the Japanese, started slaying all suspected Japanese and communists sympathisers.
Banana peels are bio-degradable. I can think of worse things to throw away in a national park. The guy was boosting organo-diversity. 😜 (And possibly also slapstick humor.) Lesson: Taiwanese plot twist: You drop a banana peel and you will be the one slipping on it. 6:18 General Trash, high commander of the Doncare Nation. || 6:31 At first I thought that last label said "lithium ions". 🤪 Prozzie, you got a little moose on your shirt. Is that the Canadian version of Lacoste?
@@Prozzie Dressing isn't that hard. There's a perfect outfit for any occasion. For example: Stubble + dreamy gaze across the ocean, one curl of hair moved by a mild summer breeze -> blank white shirt And if you intend to add a burp to the scene, get a spaghetti stain first. Ideally at the lower end so that an observer's attention can reject its existence at first because it clashes with the overall style. Once you have burped, it will be noticed and the overall harmony of the experience is preserved.
You can buy masks in every pharmacy here as long as it’s not sold out, which is not a common situation currently. But you definitely need a mask from your home country when arriving at the airport.
Only you in the public transportation, convenient store, supermarket... are required. There is 0 local case here, as a result they're outside is not required to wear mask. And welcome to visit Taiwan!!!
Currently, Taiwan has closed the border for the non-resident foreigners, it means that all VISA-free program has been banned unless you are holding a special permit issued by the Taiwan government for your business trip purpose.
It's socially unacceptable adding tapioca ball in food that's not drink or sweets. Taiwanese were pissed off when we heard Japanese people adding tapioca ball in all kinds of food. It's like how Italian think of Hawaiian pizza.
Physical punishment is not right but Taiwanese still do this sometimes to adjust inappropriate behaviors of children. Must say it is not good and government will intervene if the punishment is out of control.
Alan and Prozzie always brighten my spirits and give me a good laugh. Taiwan sounds like a wonderful place full of nice people.
Glad to be of service!
Best friends forever
Love this style of vid. Almost like a live stream.
We are Americans living in Taiwan with two preschoolers, so we have tons of opportunities to interact, even travel, with other parents with kids-parents who are not personal friends. We have *never* seen parents hitting kids in public. Isolated incidents, I am sure, but none of the prevalence you make it out to be.
Are you in Taipei? IMO in some ways Taipei is a decade or more developed than other cities in Taiwan both infrastructure-wise and culturally. Definitely more things like say, littering, breaking traffic rules, etc, happens more in the other cities, so I would assume parents hitting kids, too.
They made clear it wasn't prevalent! Rather, the children are so well behaved that discipline isn't generally necessary for misbehaving children in public.
I spent more than 30 years in Taiwan and I never seen any parents hitting kids in public. I was living in Taipei though.
We traveled up and down both coasts and never witnessed public hitting. Nobody in this discussion saw any either. Yet, we are ready to generalize the sensational words of a couple who witnessed ONE incident to the whole population. It defies logic.
Good rant brother. Love your chats together.
To be honest, as a Taiwanese I have never seen any parent hit their children in public (because of 面子). But still there r some parents would punish their children by hitting hands at home (or make them standing for hours). Taiwanese children are now usually be viewed as "spoiled". I have seen many kids being out of control in public (like playing hide and seek in Starbucks) and their parents just let them be. Which is very impolite and annoying. 20 years ago, Taiwanese parents were too harsh and unreasonable, well now they are too gentle and kinda careless.
returning to Taiwan after 10 years, my mom and sister screamed at me when i dumped a piece of trash into the bin. They explained the complicated system to me, confused me more. i could not do it right but mom would dig the bins and put everything i dumped into the right bin. I ended up asking which bin before i dump anything. I am confused but I am proud of Taiwan.
Love the walk and talk. The cicadas were loud but it was nice to hear. Their trash game is off the hook. If only all countries took it as seriously. 👍🏻
體罰在台灣已經是法律規定犯法行為。違反兒童保護法。不管在大庭廣眾下、學校、或在家裡。體法教訓小孩都是不對的。任何人見到都可去勸告制止。制止不聽亦可直接報警。社會局亦會進行調查處理。我在外面看到有人打小孩或大聲斥責小孩時。也會上前勸說大人冷靜些。
規定跟確實執法還是有一定落差的，在台灣還沒有孩子是社會的共同資產需要大家一起保護的這種風氣存在QQ(看過美國的社會實驗，美國人是真的普遍會上前制止並關心的)
@@helenachen7809 打罵、虐童、霸凌、性侵兒童，世界各國都要重視。西方也很多案例。台灣也許對第一種：打罵較常見，但對後三種是完全無法接受，但後三種情況：虐童、霸凌、性侵兒童，卻是在其他國家，甚至西方國家時有所聞。
是因為在台中嗎？ 我不太相信父母可以在大庭廣眾打小孩！在台北 小孩從小就被教導被揍時要打113！
他們都有這種經驗代表台灣很常見，我們生長在這環境，對體罰的敏感度會下降，例如家長若打的是手心或屁股，相信大部份台灣人會覺得還好，上前勸阻會變正義魔人吧，但對真的0體罰的外國人還是會嚇到
@@ciooou__ 是的，其實只要去年紀比較小的家長討論區或臉書社團看，就會發現其實打的人還是不少，家裡沒有"工具"的可能不多吧。
但現在越來越多人知道打以外的方式，或是訓斥的時候盡量私下處理，正向教養的風氣也慢慢出現了，畢竟沒有人喜歡一天到晚生氣動手。只是還是很多家長因為小時候被打罵上來，緊急時刻腦袋控制不住，一不小心就出手或炸怒(特別是會影響到別人的時候)。但我有看到不少家長會因為這些失控的舉動去跟專家求助、檢討自己，所以未來應該是會改善的。
Enjoyable video! I'm so glad you addressed drinking in public. When the video started I was in shock seeing you guys walking around drinking beer (generally, you can't do that in the U.S. outside of outdoor festivals or in New Orleans)!
這集很好笑🤣不過教育孩子還是沒那麼誇張，畢竟體罰法律上還是不允許，不過第三部分的翻譯不是太準確，可能很多人會誤解！另外補充一點”Don’t sit on priority seats if you don’t need it!”😅
For the 3rd issue regarding whether the Taiwanese parents discipline their children properly, I shall say that it is much better than those old days now.
以前在會因為考試沒有達到標準分數被老師打，家長也認為是合理的；我朋友在國中當老師，現在就不太敢打學生了~~ 真的是生錯年代 :(
Living in Asia has definitely mellowed me out too. Back in the UK I wasn't exactly living on "edge" all the time but a confrontation could always pop up. It's just not likely to happen here and it's chilled me right out.
Edit** Haha! I should have waited until the end of the video to comment. I'd totally forgot about that! Haha! That mother wasn't messing around!
沒有標題? No title? The title should be "3 Things NOT to do in TAIWAN".
Anyway, it's great to watch your video! 😄👍
Allan 發現 Prozzie 說錯的反應好像哥哥在擔心弟弟，好有愛！
你把台中的夜景拍得好美，完全不輸國外的大城市，好有才！
Sorry! The title should be fixed now
@@Prozzie Please, you don't need to say sorry. I just remind you. 😄👌
Im getting to like Alan, sorta growing on me...You two make a cool duo! Thanks for representing Canada in the positive way you do and continuing to make me proud to be Canadian...Stay safe brother and keep yer stick on the ice ;)
Or, ditch the brit and bring back Christine.
Living in Taiwan definitely mellowed/matured me also, more than just the time of years passing does. Good call. Oh and those parents that are strict also choose their child's future studies and life for them. Director Ang Lee had to graduate in his father's choice of discipline before he was allowed to study movie making and follow HIS dream. Not his father's.
always loved your video, especially of conversation with Allan. hope you feel fun and safe living in taiwan. best wishes.
Nice to start the video on that pedestrian flyover at Formosa Boulevard and then continuing to Maple Garden.
Two things I know not to do:
Whistle a tune when staying at my friends' house in the Dakeng area or when visiting any Taiwanese at their houses. Summoning ghosts and stuff.
Stick your chopsticks into a bowl of rice (that incense and offering for the ghosts thing).
As for the littering: in some areas there really is a lack of trash cans in the public, but you can take the freedom of putting an empty can or cup in a private trash can at the side of the road. So I plead guilty for mixing types of trash. But the amount of plastic one-way packaging really is mind-boggling in Taiwan - would like to see things improve here.
Okay, the content was all good and great to know, but that scenery you were walking through looked epic. I hope you captured and will share some of those beautiful location shots, or will capture more. I'm not saying that sometimes that background is more interesting than the foreground...but...well, the background scenery looked pretty nice. Carpe diem, mes amis.
Def looking forward to walk around like this once i get out if this quarantine! I just moved back from states
Really like your style of video, keep up the great work
The new SerpentZA and Loawhy86, now you just need to make a joint channel and do episodes on the bikes...
Please do more videos with Alan!!! You guys have a great chemistry together making videos. (I especially like the part where you mimic Alan's Scouse accent)
I enjoyed watching your new vedio Prozzie and Allan,and i miss taiwan so much❤❤
It reminds me every moment that i had when i was there💔💞
Taiwan is a very accommodating country and people are disciplined😊😍
I miss Taiwan so much and my Taiwanese friends,special mention LOUISA AND YAO in XITUN DISTRICT,TAICHUNG CITY
I LOVE YOU AND MISS U MUCH GUYS😘😘😍😍
@Prozzie just a little reminder
1:36 we call video as "影片" in Taiwan.
That's different from China who call video as "視頻".
For the first issue regarding whether the Taiwanese believe in "以和為貴(Peace is important/live in harmony)".
In texas we call them locusts, but they are actually cicada's. It just means its summer time. In another video you mentioned Akira, Is that the one where they are yelling Tetsuo over and over as everything is destroyed? Their "Whack the kid" discipline style reminds me of growing up in the south. but neighbors and teachers could do it too.
This is kind of weird to say, but going with non-confrontation and all that, I feel like Taiwan taught me to have a healthier respect for rules/the government/authority in general. In that in Taiwan compared to the West there are sometimes more customs like lanes on escalators, various rules with the MRT, etc, that need to exist to keep everything working right, and for the most part are followed by locals. But then at the same time, I feel like Taiwanese authorities if you make an honest effort, are generally kind and understanding and not out to get you or make your life hell, and always at least as a foreigner treat you very respectfully.
Coming back to USA, though the situation is obviously not the same at all for both the general population and authorities, I feel like learning this sort of deferment to authority attitude has helped out a lot in USA compared to my rebellious teenager kind of attitude before, and I feel like perhaps as a teenager/etc I wouldn't be mentally prepared for Taiwan or Japan with this kind of culture. We can see it now with Corona and the anti-mask situation, and lines/etc, where if both the people and authority had simple respect for each other the problems wouldn't be as bad as they are now.
That's so true! It's like more consideration. We're not just a bunch of egocentric MEs. We're a single me within a much larger group, with consideration for the group. If you look after the group, it looks after you. Case in point: handling of the coronavirus in Taiwan. Yet democracy is maintained and people haven't lost their individuality. Perfect balance.
Actually about how Taiwanese people act during the epidemic, things might be much easier than you would've thought:
We simply don't believe in China.
@@victorc2463 That's true it's the main reason, but over half your population didn't say "I'm doing what I want and I don't care because me, I'm not wearing a mask because I don't want to!"
@@GilBatesLovesyou Exactly! Yes, the rightful lack of trust of the CCP got us off to a great start, but people followed through and took responsibility like the grown-ass adults that we are. The small amount of discomfort from wearing a mask is nothing if we are helping to keep each other safe at the end of the day.
@@GilBatesLovesyou that's not freedom, that's what I called selfish :(((
waste management will fine us here in toronto for mixing up what goes in each bin (for your home)
0:59 Talk about cicadas, I'm in Houston and the cicadas here are really ... quiet(?) I mean I heard them sing but the power is really low, it's like it is dying. It can only sing about 3 notes with very weak .... almost like poor contact sound XD
They're deafening here
NC Cicadas are loud this year...huge number have emerged this year.
I was in Taiwan in early 2000's and Bushiban Teachers, Foreign or Local were all Issued Hand Whips on Day 1... It was kinda crazy.
Well it was really common back in the days, but it's a NONO nowadays though.....
太不巧被你看到這麼經典的畫面（媽媽眼不動手動），也是一個風景啊～希望下次能看到正常一點的教育方式。。。
As a little girl grew up in Tainan back in the 60s, it's common for me to get whipped with a stick by the elementary school teachers if I forgot to turn in my homework. Even got some bruises back then.
Things you don't do in Taichung: don't provoke someone who looks bad, because Taichung is know for the city where the bullet flies......
7:25 prossi mentioned an important aspect of Taiwan, theres some public group suggest Taiwanese parents should learn "how to be a parent?". BC we shouldn't educate our kids in the same way we were educated
My generation always said : I know this is bad, but I was treated this way when I was young and I was OK when I grow up...
這一段真的要注意，台灣已經開始有「父母也要學當父母」的公共呼籲，但我這一代總是認為：我知道這樣教是錯的，但我也被我父母這樣教，我長大也沒怎樣...
還好台灣的教育機關已經大大改變了
"and I was OK when I grow up" - OK being a parent beating their kid. - Exemplary of the mind's capacity for self-deception.
In fact, Taiwan's laws still regulate the corporal punishment of parents on their children, and excessive punishment will still be prosecuted; and others can also directly intervene to prevent or notify the police and relevant units to deal with it.
I live in a rural area, throwing out a banana peel or Applecore is not considered littering. Obviously you wouldn’t throw it on a city street or sidewalk.
In Montreal, there are garbage inspectors who look in our bins late at night to make sure garbage is with garbage, recyclables are in the recycling bin and organics is in the organics bin. Otherwise, you get fined. But public littering is a problem, I do admit.
Very much on point. So true about "The Great Mellowing!"
My only pet peeve about the aversion to littering is the lack of receptacles in public places. It actually keeps me from buying tea or coffee; I'm too lazy to carry the cup around all day.
One I would add would be "Don't mess with the press!" (Luckily, most of us are nobodies, so this likely won't apply to us.)
Taiwanese press will do anything for a story, including making up random "facts," and they have been known to ruin reputations with unprofessional reporting. It's awful!
so true about the lack of bins
@@stig I don't know if Taiwan has the same mentality, but I grew up in the UK in the 80's with the message that "Every bin could be a bomb" due to the IRA attacks at the time. Then, on my frequent trips to Japan I also lamented the lack of bins, until I realised that they also had the Aum Shinrikyo sarin gas attacks in the '90s and it may well be a public safety issue as much as it is a waste collection issue. 0.0
@@sublevel03 nah, here, it's more like, "People will cheat and put their excess personal rubbish in the public bins!"
I'm not entirely sure that they're wrong...
really great to see you two thanks for all your work .
Thanks for commenting!
Thank you for showing this part of Taiwan. Something to add to deeply consider.
- TGC Marvin
Taiwanese are actually very political and have a lot of opinions on politics. The fact like we have a huge gap of political difference in generations. We have all come to agree to disagree and there is no point talking to avoid confrontation in the family and workplace(people in the management are most likely the old generation too)
In USA we're going full Maoist culture revolution and snitching out our parents and friends for being counterrevolutionary.
@@GilBatesLovesyou The policing culture is indeed crazy in the USA. We have more sympathy torward our parents generation and what they had to go through either its during the white terror or fled from China to Taiwan. We kind of are more understanding where they are coming from and just accept the situation.
很喜歡看這樣的"談話性節目".
我覺得很像是對我們的一面鏡子.
我每次看總是會覺得...低頭羞愧.
台灣真的還很多需要改進的地方,
也因此很需要多幾面鏡子, 讓大家好好看清楚自己.
謝謝.
很喜歡這樣閒聊的感覺 卻是講了很多youtuber不會提到更深一面的台灣
hahaha, your video once again made me laugh so much!
I know you are presenting the facts, but the way you present them is very vivid.
How does central Taipei compare with central Taichung in terms of nightlife and overall safety.
Throwing a can in the trash still isn't really a big deal in the Ottawa-Gatineau area, but in Vancouver and Toronto, people are getting fines over the whole shabang (for context).
Taiwan only just decriminalized adultery a few months ago, but before that adultery was actually a criminal offense, and foreigners have been charged and deported for adultery in the past, believe it or not. I was told by someone living in Taiwan in the 80s that one of his foreign friends got arrested and deported with trumped up charges for cheating on another dude's wife, the dude had connections with police/etc. Though the courts have struck down the law, as a foreigner it's probably best to not tempt fate with adultery, either if you're legally married or having an affair with someone married.
If you think corporal punishment is a problem now, you should know that it's way better now compared to old times. Kid get hung up to a tree, or locked up in animal cages, I kid you not. During my childhood, teachers deemed corporal punishment a valid way to motivate studying, and parents would try to put their kids in class with teacher known for harsh discipline.
I heard stories of "speech therapy" by putting marbles in kids mouths back then. I think a lot of Taiwanese Boomers and Gen X growing up in the martial law times have a negative opinion about Taiwan and think it's the worst place in the world (even when it's objectively speaking one of the best) because they grew up under really abusive authority in the martial law times, not just police and politicians, but teachers/etc doing really nasty things like that, so they hate the whole country because of that.
@@GilBatesLovesyou I can only speak for myself but I think people learn silence instead of hatred in suppression. Elders today (boomer gen) learned to remain voiceless regarding politics, especially when they think/ act against the authority. They don't hate Taiwan, it's very difficult to hate the land you live on, they have bitter love towards Taiwan.
We do value highly of harmony so we will avoid arguments but if you really disagree the others opinion, we usually will walk away or stop chatting.
As for the kids, I think now body punishing is really rare compare before since there are not so many kids in Taiwan.
Regarding the 3rd matter, it is rare to see parents displine their chidren in public. If it would be too much, other people would interfere by advising the parents to stop.
Love the video but just to clarify people in Taiwan don't use the word 視頻 but 影片
Taiwanese do care about politics but they will not argue in public but on line. As I was a child, you could not talk politics in public, if you says something wrong, you will be put into jail. That might be the major reason leads to most Taiwanese do not discuss politics in public. And the other reason is Taiwanese do not like argue with others.
And 50 years ago if anyone talk bad about the government...you will be killed by the government on the street....
And back when we were kid, we were not allow speak Taiwanese in school at all...the teacher would slap your hand
Passengers can drink or eat on a regular TRA train or THSRC train.
But both eating or drinking are not allowed in any of the MRT stations and trains.
Funny isn't it?
oops
Y'all breaking out in a sweat at the end of this one haha.
在台灣，如果你在公共場所或是一些私領域的地方看見小朋友被毆打，其實你們可以報警的，台灣人的觀念就是，自家的孩子自己教，但是有些孩子真的是無法溝通只能夠用體罰的方式去導正他們的錯誤了。
In Taiwan you can't play loud music at home or in the car or watch movies with loud speakers . People will complain. Quite different in U.S. .
It would make a lot of sense to have some dedicated workers with the job of sorting trash, instead of requiring every individual to do it. It would be more economically efficient, which means it would save everybody time and money. Plus, the only people who would have to sort the trash would be paid money to do it.
You and Allan have to be more careful about road rage in TaiChung, as the city named "Gotham City" or "Bullet City" in Taiwan haha... As for the politics, we do talk about that, but we only talk with those who stand the same side, the gap among blue/green/white party is HUGE and it's better not to even start the topics.
體罰不是不能管...有虐待或暴力傾向的就該干涉..但如果只是教育..就不要干涉...每個人的教育方式有些不能...其中的度...久了就會知道。不過就算要管...最好是報警..因為有暴力虐待傾向的父母，你直接上去講...可能會有危險~
好議題!兒少法 台灣執行還不夠落實!
不過 艾倫 求偶最好笑🤣🤣🤣
Ha, can't get caught littering. I can't say how many times there was a tied shopping bag packed with home trash in the middle of a scooter bridge turn off loop. A little distance behind you and no-one sees the dump. You must have seen it. Good one boyz.
You're a good person! 👍
The thing about trash is so accurate and funny XD
When we see the garbagy isn't properly classified, for exemple a can in the general trash, we'd picture at the same time: "the little has taken wrong flight..." (๏д๏) Then we'd go like "Hey, you should classify like this and that..."
it's funny when see your film every time. it makes me laugh 😄
When I first came to Taiwan I thought the non-confrontation was a result of being nice and chill and since I’m nice and chill I loved it. After a few years here I’m a lot more skeptical. Taiwanese people do plenty of bad to each other (and foreigners) every day, they just hide it. I think that’s why you see people lining up for the bus like Boy Scouts but on the street in front people behind their tinted windows drive like life wasn’t worth 5 cents. I would call it cowardly, but they probably call it something else. In my own country people almost compulsively say what they think and I used to hate that. Now I’m starting to miss that feeling of honesty.
I'm from the Northeast in USA, and in some ways the "face" or "niceness" culture of Taiwan is actually similar to here I found, just Taiwanese actually do feel more genuine about it, and seem to have less underlying aggression/anger. They're also more outgoing overall. I think maybe Prozzie said the same about Taiwan vs Canada, too. Driving could improve in Taiwan (and it has compared to the past) but at least statistically Taiwan is in line with USA for driving deaths, both are at 12 per 100K for traffic deaths, but Taiwan might be somewhat more inaccurate as Taiwan only counts a death if the person dies within 2 weeks of an accident. Some US states surprisingly are about Vietnam or Indian level, like Mississippi at 22-23 per 100K.
Also a kind of weird thing is seemingly Taiwanese law has a lot of leeway for suing people, in some ways it seems easier to sue people or employers than USA.
@@GilBatesLovesyou lol heck yeah I'm impressed by what you can use to sue people in TW. Like exchanging angry words in public and that ends up being sued for insult in public. Doesn't the legal system gets bogged down with all these?
@@polarbear1600 Weirdly I went with my friend to a police station for him to file a motion to sue an employer for not paying overtime there, and you can actually go file court motions 24 hours a day there, like 7-11. :D We went at like 8-9PM. For court itself in these small civil cases, you're not even really going to "court" in the sense of wood paneled room/etc, according to my friend a lot of time it's just in a random office room. I guess it's similar to US small claims court or arbitration.
On a dark side, like in the mainland, in Taiwan they actually had a problem in the 1970s-1990s of people hitting people and backing over them, like there's been stories of in the mainland. The legal system worked in that you only had to compensate once for killing someone in an accident, but if they were injured you were entitled to give lifetime compensation, so some people figured they'd rather do 20-30 years in prison and save their family compensation. I think the law changed to stop this, but on introducing universal healthcare in the 90s Taiwan changed as a society, as with universal healthcare to cover injury costs, it saves money for employers and gives people less incentive to sue in accidents.
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/12/07/taiwanese-police-launch-dna-probe-150-yoghurt-drink-theft/ One of the most funny legal peculiarities there.
Finally heard the freedom's speech. Not like in my residence country or will be tailgated by the social media, the police and the enemy (no matter from work or the authority).
Point number 3 holds good in India too. Though not the first two points 😅🤣
what ever happened to Keven? Prozzie still have that scooter?
Dudes, we have cicadas in north America too, lol.
You two make Primo Teamo
Not to do, stick chopstick straight up in the middle of bowl of rice, you can't do that both in Taiwan and Japan, as this is what they do in the funeral
Thanks you! I've been told not to do this, but never told why. I'm grateful for this explanation.
Actually most Taiwanese are very political,or at least care about politics. But the thing is since Taiwanese are ridiculously peaceful. They’re most likely not gonna confront you even if you have different opinions.
Except in the Legislative Yuan, where disagreements turn into chair-throwing brawls.
CNVideos That’s pretty hilarious indeed,but they’re politicians. Not the common citizens I’m talking about. Being political is their job
這樣的談話也很有意思！
台灣現在慢慢會有更多人注意不當管教的問題！因為有很多被虐的孩子，因為父母不當的管教或養育造成死亡！
謝謝你們的批評指教！
死亡？很多？妳不先舉例嗎？
@@achatzc9190 自己谷哥，很有趣，答案在網路隨時都能查詢，為什麼要我連結給你？我有收費？
很棒的一場Men,s talk, 垃圾分類其實也有些人沒有做得很徹底，直接丟進垃圾袋的大有人在，因為台北市的垃圾袋是要花錢買的，只要你有用政府規定的垃圾袋裝，但裝進裏面的沒有人會管你是什麼？有丟進垃圾車就好了。兒童體罰的問題，一直都存在。70年代，不僅家長會打小孩，我們的求學過程，老師的體罰，一路打到國中畢業。不是因為做錯事被打，連考試考不好也會被打。因為那個年代，每個家庭最少都四、五個小孩。家長都忙於工作，所以小孩在學校被打，就等於是被管教，被家長默許的。而被老師打的小孩回去也不敢跟父母說。所以就這樣惡性循環下去。男生更慘，20歲服兵役時也會被體罰。直到現在因為少子化。每個小孩是父母的心肝寶貝，加上時代的變遷，變成別人都不許打自己的小孩，只有父母能打。當別人管教自己的小孩，基本上比較沒人去管。正所謂「清官難斷家務事」。我跟Prozzie一樣喜歡作菜，但以台菜比較拿手。Allan求偶的短句Oh Ello，很好奇是什麼意思？哈哈！
A tad bit much of a freak out about a banana peel in nature, that stuff is biodegradable.
It actually is a bad thing to do. Banana peels can take months to biodegrade and still attract flies, maggots, etc. I got rather upset when I was with a foreign British friend and he threw one on the ground when we were riding bikes together.
Proz, you're a Canadian, don't you separate your garbage in Canada? I remember living in Toronto and I've to separate the recycable from the biodegradable each week during trash collection day LOL! But when I was living in Chiayi, my landlord took care of the trash. No fuss.
How a crazzy mom in the super high speed rail! Most parents in Taiwan condems any form of physical punishment!
how old is too old to come over to taiwan and how much would someone typically earn? I am 35 and looking for a change from my office job here in the west
I came to Taiwan when I was 41.
BEST.DECISION.EVER.
How much would you earn depends on what kind of job. If you are a certified English teacher, you can easily get a job for at least 20 dollars per hour. If you don't like teaching and can't speak Chinese, your chances of getting a job diminish dramatically.
Child abuse is a pretty big issue in Taiwan. Thankfully there are now laws making it illegal and parents these days seem more mellow compared to when I grew up there in the 80’s-2000’s. But it’s still there and it’s still a bit of a taboo to advocate against it.
I have 3 kids, 2,5,7 years old,我從來不打小孩，只是耐心講道理並讓他們理解並承擔事情的後果，打小孩也許可以快速解決問題但卻不是最好的方法。
lol, love this episode
The number 1 thing to remember not to do in Taiwan,don’t call a Taiwanese Chinese. Unless you’re looking for a street fight lol.
Yen the smiling dinosaur yep,that’s right
@ROC in TAIWAN is The Only Democracy on Chinese Soil It sounds like you are a Chinese. Are you?
ROC in TAIWAN is The Only Democracy on Chinese Soil No one wants to be called chinese taiwanese,calling a Taiwanese Chinese is the worst insult you can ever say. And also being extremely racist toward Taiwanese aboriginal people? Great job 50 cents 🇨🇳🤡
@ROC in TAIWAN is The Only Democracy on Chinese Soil I think they should create a commonwealth for the Chinese. Problem solved. For the reason why some Taiwanese want to be independent (not part of ROC- independent wise), study your history.. They had no voice since the start of the Qing Dynasty (from the freaking same place where the communists came down from vs KMT). (Ming were still alright), right through to the Japanese and KMT. Most Taiwanese like the fact that Japan actually helped their economy despite the initial invasion losses but they found out they were just focused on themselves when they started massacring everyone when they lost the war and the island. Then KMT came and with a founded hatred for the Japanese, started slaying all suspected Japanese and communists sympathisers.
How do you say 華人 in English then? Is it offensive to ask a taiwanese if they speak chinese?
Allan , my lord
He is not knighted
Yeah..... but where is laowhy86?
1.Don't fight
2.Don't litter
3.Don't stop parents from hitting their children
Banana peels are bio-degradable. I can think of worse things to throw away in a national park. The guy was boosting organo-diversity. 😜 (And possibly also slapstick humor.)
Lesson: Taiwanese plot twist: You drop a banana peel and you will be the one slipping on it.
6:18 General Trash, high commander of the Doncare Nation. || 6:31 At first I thought that last label said "lithium ions". 🤪
Prozzie, you got a little moose on your shirt. Is that the Canadian version of Lacoste?
Haha I have no idea what store it's from. I'm awful at dressing myself
@@Prozzie Dressing isn't that hard. There's a perfect outfit for any occasion.
For example: Stubble + dreamy gaze across the ocean, one curl of hair moved by a mild summer breeze -> blank white shirt
And if you intend to add a burp to the scene, get a spaghetti stain first. Ideally at the lower end so that an observer's attention can reject its existence at first because it clashes with the overall style. Once you have burped, it will be noticed and the overall harmony of the experience is preserved.
發現帥倫很難瘦下來的原因，好友相見怎能沒有美酒，所以想瘦跟朋友也有很大的關係
are masks required over there? I wanna move there
You can buy masks in every pharmacy here as long as it’s not sold out, which is not a common situation currently.
But you definitely need a mask from your home country when arriving at the airport.
Only you in the public transportation, convenient store, supermarket... are required. There is 0 local case here, as a result they're outside is not required to wear mask.
And welcome to visit Taiwan!!!
Currently, Taiwan has closed the border for the non-resident foreigners, it means that all VISA-free program has been banned unless you are holding a special permit issued by the Taiwan government for your business trip purpose.
@@tpecah1 I know. I mean... in the future...
King Beck Sure, you are all welcome to visit Taiwan at the near “future”.
I disagree on the trash part slightly, at least I never got in trouble for cleaning up my dogs shit with a leaf of something and throwing it in a bush
I look forward to your fancy meeting, I want to see you, I was living in the Taichung, too
Prozzie we love you from Cincinnati?
I hope so?
Prozzie lol I didn’t mean to add the question mark
Dude I live in dayton its only like 40 min from Cincinnati.... got any good deal on pot??? Lol just kidding I got a good enough connect...
Roy Stewart yeah man 10 a g
It's socially unacceptable adding tapioca ball in food that's not drink or sweets. Taiwanese were pissed off when we heard Japanese people adding tapioca ball in all kinds of food. It's like how Italian think of Hawaiian pizza.
終於公開「在一起」 恭喜你們
❤️🌈🌈🌈🌈
體罰的檢舉是現在大力提倡的目標，「家醜不外揚」是一種陋習，希望未來能讓這樣不健康的文化消失。
Weapons... that's a very "Taichung" thing
poor kid, drops his cup and gets backhanded, harsh!
I want to be the first girl to say this to Allan" Oh Ello" ! lol
Ello love! Haha
Physical punishment is not right but Taiwanese still do this sometimes to adjust inappropriate behaviors of children. Must say it is not good and government will intervene if the punishment is out of control.
English schools should promote anti littering and recycling ....
10:18 沒關係,變胖是為了讓你走更多的路,拍更多的風景~~~~~~ 😂