The 2023 Ram Promaster Van Gets Better Fuel Economy, Better Lights And a New 9-Speed Transmission!
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That super high roof option is a blessing for my van life build at 6'3". Hopefully I can get one ordered before the heatdeath of the universe.
But only front wheel drive. That's a big no for my van build if it ever happens haha
@@tanishazoa138 Gonna be doing a lot of off-roading in your van?
@@DiogenesNephew well enough that I'd need 4 wheel drive.
At 6'3" you are not gonna like the leg room.
@@porkrind3512 Ended up with an E-Transit after testing out Promasters and Transits, def more comfortable in the Transit.
About time you fixed the lights and transmission...8 years to late.
🤣there still using the 3.6 it kills me
For you, perfect timing for someone else.
It’s a cargo van.
Dodge trannies have been terrible since the end of the old l.a. block rigs.
@Mr S what engine should it use?
I love Andre's videos! They're always informative without fluff or dramatization like some of the other TFL hosts. He always asks the right questions, is super clear with intention, and has his ear to the ground about consumer and market trends. Thanks for your awesome contributions, Andre!
If somehow they can make that second row of seats slide down into a bed would really be nice for those drivers that are OTR & delivering in multiple states. Gives them a actual bed to sleep in.
I agree
@@bivensmarsha Problem is this suit guys promote commercial deliveries with vehicles then make it how they think it should be & ignore what a actual drivers want.
In Europe the Ducato (Promaster) box truck is used for this purpose. They often have a sleep cabin on top of it.
@@Simon-dm8zv Old farts like me don't wanna be crawling up-and-down a ladder to a rooftop bed
@@BBBYpsi But I do. Because I have imagination!
I like all of the new improvements. Went to order one and was told by three different dealers that it would take seven to nine months for delivery.😳
I worked a a place doing delivery work they had a the pro master and the transit van . The bigest problem with pro master is seating hight. It made it a no go for me. I needed to be able to lower the seat down about a foot to be comfortabl. If you can get past that its a great van.
Yeah that's the main reason for me too the ram pro master is more like driving a bus compared to the transit which is like a mini van. Also I want to have swivel seat on my van since I can turn around and stretch my legs when I take a break on the road but that just adds more height and I barely have enough vision as it is as someone tall on the pro master.
You Americans finally get the facelift Europe got several years ago!...... You will not be disappointed when you see this in person, it is one of THE BEST LOOKING VANS on the market
And it’ll still self destruct in less than 100,000 miles. Run, run fast.
I'm a plumbing contractor & I had a 2018 Promaster 2500 159WB and loved it !!!! I bought a 2021 and loved it too but unfortunately someone totaled it - but then I bought a 2022 and I guess this was the upgrade year because it has almost all the same upgrades on the dash as this 2023 has....I really love this 2022 even more! It drives smooth, turns tight, the sound system and gadgets are koolll - this new Uconnect device is really trick and much better than the prior ones.....Lots of sensors on this truck but hey, it's all covered under warranty so enjoy the advances in technology. Finally, I have the bench seat that seats 3 - Was skeptic at first but now I'm so glad I have this !! I've driven and worked out of the Fords (Transits high roofs) but I don't like the way they drive nor how you set in the cab....
my ambulance service use the promaster since 2015...( 180ish on the road + few spares) hope this new model/transmision setup will be more reliable than the previous version.
Thanks for the walk around. I am a commercial sales manager and have not seen some of those options yet since they have not hit our showroom yet. Thank you thank you.
I really hope this engine and transmission fixes all the issues known with prior promasters, have spent nearly 20k on the van so far.... currently have 93k miles on it, I've owned it since new in 2018...and it just got a brand new engine and two cats installed. I have details for a class action lawsuit against Stellantis for the older promasters if anyone wants to join.
Sounds like a fun vehicle.
You're not kidding. My last employer had four or five of these in its fleet. They went through head gaskets like they were regular wear items. The Pentastar is not a good engine for a heavy cargo vehicle. They went with Transits for the remainder of their vans.
I own a 2016 2500 high roof. V6 Pentastar engine. Have exhaust, raw and burning coolant smell in cabin and coolant loss since new. Tell me of the class action please.
@@tinygnat I hope the Transits are treating your last employer better. Certainly the twin turbos on the Transit (the only engine option that is a differentiator for heavy, heavy loads) worry me.
I really like the under-seat cut out for long item storage
Do they or are they planning a full passenger version? Kind of like the 12 passenger capacity of the old style vans. Popular among clubs, churches, big families and other groups that need passenger capacity at a reasonable price (i.e. with out having to go into actual buses).
The ducato, boxer and jumper all have that in europe but im not sure if its factory or installed after
I know some school boards have banned the use of them for transporting students. So they could be holding back because the do have a reputation as not being that safe especially on slippery roads
@@jamesoldman3021 there’re school bus versions of the Promaster offered for sale. The conventional 15 passenger vans like the Ford Econoline, Ram B Maxi Van and Chevrolet Express vans are the ones which basically went away due to their higher center of gravity and narrow rear wheel track width. The single real wheel versions are the ones we’re the ones with the most issues. The dually cutaway/chassis cab models were not the issue.
@@americanrambler4972
You are correct. If they had dual wheels they are acceptable. As you say made from the cab/chassis versions. Where I live all the ambulances are built from the same configuration. Primarily using the Chevrolet/GMC chassis.
Slightly different topic but the ProMaster when used as a delivery van are not well liked in the winter due to the front wheel drive. With a maximum load they tend to have traction problems in the winter. Now I am in the Rockies which is one contributing factor and the type of body. The box or cube van's having only the rear door. If they end up having to load with all the heavy weight for the first few stops it goes onto the rear axle and the front is light.
@@jamesoldman3021 I have seen very few box van chassis cab versions of the Promaster. I think there are a number of reasons for that. A big one is the box van floor/bed height. Most box vans I see have the floor height positioned to match up with loading docks. The Promaster floors are much lower. Also, I do not see any dual rear wheel versions. You are correct in that many box vans utilize the dual rear wheel weight capacity and stability the wider track provides. And most of those trucks offer bigger, more powerful and stronger engines, transmissions and drive axles.
I have seen a number of the utility box versions of the Promaster. (Those with all the tool box doors on the sides.) those work out much more satisfactorily because most of the time most of their weight is carried in the middle between the axles. But if your use of a Promaster entails loading them tail heavy like many box trucks are, then the benefits of a front drive platform are compromised.
The Ducato, Jumper and Boxer vans are very successful in European service. But when the loads get heavier, say above 6,000 to 8,000 pounds payload, the rear wheel drive dual axle trucks move into the lead. A number of manufactures offer front wheel drive commercial van models in the Promaster size range.
For 2023, Promaster will get a higher roof version of the van that has been on sale in Europe for a number of years. We currently only get the low roof and mid roof versions. (H1 and H2). The taller H3 version is on its way.
The Ram Promasters start at $46,000 for the base model. He is mum about the drastic price increase. I don't believe for a second they get better gas mileage. It's got the same 3.6 liter engine. My 2020 118" only gets 18 mpg on the freeway unloaded. If you're thinking about van building you're deluding yourself if you think these vans get good mileage. These vans are priced for businesses and you're talking 50 to 60k. You can't get regular insurance for a Promaster. You need expensive commercial insurance, but you may be able to get around it because this particular van has a second row seat for passengers, but a two seater is definitely commercial. The VIN designates it as such so you can't fool your insurance company. AAA doesn't insure vans. I had to get Geico. Don't get me wrong it's a phenomenal van for camping which is why I bought mine. I got mine for 34k but the dealers are tacking on a $10,000 surcharge just because they can. I don't know what this guy is talking about the partition. Those things are the first thing you would take out because it limits your space. The heater and A/C can heat and cool the entire van space. You don't need that partition. I could blast the heat for a few minutes and the cargo hold is cooking hot.
Had so many issues with the 2016 Promaster I used to operate. Head lights were a constant issue, it would rough idle at high RPMs while just sitting parked and the transmission was quite rough.
I’m actually in this video. I saw you and I wanted to say hi and tell u I’m a big fan. I’m at 2:30 mark. But yeah I was working the ram display.
You know I have never known a dodge that doesn’t rot away or break down. Lately I have been hearing good things and now I am seeing some interesting things that would make me want to change over to ram ownership hopefully that have solved a lot of the rust problems. Thanks for keeping me informed with all your videos on the latest vehicles.
Have a 19 and a 20 already had a new trans put in my 20. Really jealous of all the new features that are available in the new models. I will say that the business that i am in we use one of our vans for mostly deliveries and the other for mostly service we used to only buy checy express vans till these came and we are definitely impressed these vans get abused we put over the weight limit often and they hardly feel it.
Thanks for the video. Nice upgrades. Wish all wheel drive was available. Great cargo space.
The Class B RV builders are going to LOVE that new super high roof model to compete with Transit and Sprinter. I'll bet that Amazon has a Lot to do with this new taller Promaster...
For sure!
They have Ducatos what the Promaster is based on, that have the high roof. Difference between the Promaster and Ducato is the Ducato has a 2.8 diesel used as a small Motorhome base, rarely as a Van in Australia
Here are some observations after owning a 22' 159 extended high roof 3500 for a few weeks. 1) The 22' has the mentioned motor and transmission updates, and it performs very well. Acceleration is great, and it seems to not have to "find a gear" nearly as much as the outgoing 6 speed. 2) the 22' has all of the interior upgrades shown here. IMO, it is a huge design flaw to only have telescoping steering wheel. I'm assuming that the 23' is the same setup, and that is nothing short of disappointing. I'm 5'10" and the steering wheel feels way too high. Ergonomically, it just doesn't make since. Also, though a lesser complaint, is that fact that the heat/air vents to not rotate side to side. How hard would it have been to have this basic feature? 3) If a noted segment of the market is van life folk, why not make a 4 or 5 person seating option with walk through capability. The crew option looks slick for a legit crew applications, but I wonder how many potential customers are going to be put out with the lack of access to the cargo area from the sliding doors or front. It seems that more people would benefit from 2 captains chairs or a smaller bench in the 2nd row area that could possibly even fold into a bed and still allow walk through access to the rear. There needs to be an in-between option from the standard 2 person cargo and the crew options. 4) The headlamps are embarrassing on the 22'. I'm glad they'll be better for 23'. On the whole, the Promaster drives and handles WAY better than anticipated. The touch screen is super nice and actually nicer than the Jeep Gladiator that I replaced with the Promaster. The steering is also better on the Promaster (if you know, you know).
It looked like they may have done away with the ridiculous placement of the e-brake handle low on the left outside of the driver seat. Why not on the inside?? That is begging to get your pants leg caught in it and do a Peter Pan face-first into the asphalt
@@graydonwright9098 Good comment. Would the e-brake be on the dashboard now?
Hey Dr J MTB, where is the odometer on this 2022? I can't find it anywhere and no mention in the manual.....
Hu
I'm an industrial Service Technician and my company just ordered 10 0f these all upfitted and done up. I'm really doubtful the FWD is gonna be any good in the snow when I've got 4,500 pounds of stuff over the back axle
For reference I'm currently in a 2017 transit 250. It's RWD and an absolute tank in the snow. When the roads are really bad I just move my oil transfer tank over the rear axle and it'll drive up the wall if you hit it fast enough
Tell them they might as well cancel the order now. Run one for my family business to deliver things in and even with 4 brand new studded snow tires it’s completely worthless in the snow. Idk how people are making them into camper vans and driving them with that weight in the back all year and in snow. I got stuck with one week old studded nokian snow tires on very slightly icy pavement going up a hill. Dangerous as heck man. A Honda Civic passed me when I was stuck not able to get up the road. The steering also blows as soon as you put any weight in the back in the snow
Did they update the steering column so it tilts? The previous generation only telescopes so it never seems to be in a good position.
Also curious if they updated the seats. The standard seats in the previous generation were real butt burners.
Been dying to know as well, this is my favorite van but I don't like no listing column, deal breaker for me🥺
Nope
What about the transmission? I spoke with some fleet people and they had to replace transmissions early in these and recommended the Ford Transit.
Zf 9speed the same one on the Pacifica, Cherokee, honda pilot and some land rovers.
Never buy a first gen vehicle with a first gen engine or transmission that is my recommendation. The problem there having is the transmission can’t take the heat so it slams into gear when it gets to hot and weakened the clutch spring in the torq converter. They will fix it next year with a larger transmission cooler.
@@minivanman1356 And non of those vehicles have a 4600 lbs payload...let's see if it holds up.
But the promaster...is the issue of the defective transmission been fixed?
It’s a new transmission
OMG! can't wait to see camper build out's with the super high roof, that is going to be NUTS! overhead cabinets for dayzzz!
I wanna see a loft bed
The real question to ask is why didn’t they fix some of the issues they’ve had with previous versions of the van?
Water in the headlights, and transmission problems! 🧐
New LED headlight option in 2023. New Nine Speed Trans starting w/ 2022 model.
it wouldn't be a Dodge/Ram if it didn't have transmission problems
Did you watch the video? They literally mentioned new headlights and transmission in the beginning of the video.
Hope they give the market a hybrid version as well.
So far there is no plan for a hybrid version, but we will have to see what happens in the future.
We Are Bringing The Electric Powertrains Already In Use In Europe Today To Accelerate Electrification In North America With The 1ST Recipient Being The Ram ProMaster In The US To Be Unveiled Later This Year And Going On Sale Sometime After That.
The van market is very hot right now. You can tell Ford , Benz and Dodge have really cornered this market. Patiently waiting for GM to join the fun but we all know GM loves the parts counter so the express and Savanah solider on.
We’ve got pro masters sprinters and expresses in our fleet. The express definitely has the lowest maintenance cost. They don’t have the same functionality though. The express are cutaways and the others are max size cargo vans.
It much hotter in Australia. Ford Transits are not that popular here. We have a lot of Asian Vans, plus Sprinters and other European Vans. IVECO Daily is a bit like a Sprinter on steroids. Has a 23,000lb GCVWR
Old GM and Ford E series for the win with a frame and no freak wheel drive
This guy starts of saying how much better the lighting is saying it is brighter and safer and more durable..this has been the euro front since 2014 haha. We have been getting the 2005 design here
1 year after they debut the Promaster for us, Ducato already get the new headlights. So it really take him 8 years to figure it out?
Thx Dave. Thx Andre. Great interaction especially with so many other folks in the way. 😂
The new 9 speed transmission sounds good but as the owner of a 23 Winnebago Travato with the Ram Promaster chassis we heard the transmission almost never hits the 8th or 9th speed. What's up with that?
I owned 5 of these vans, my fondest memory was the day I sent all 5 of the to auction! Without a doubt the biggest money pit vans I ever bought!
😯- What van would you buy ?
@@namasunrise2667 they never say cuz they all suck 😂
Honestly these promasters aren’t bad (take care of it and ill take care of you) mine has 292,000 miles and still has original motor and trans
It does have electrical issues thou (but there workarounds it)
That’s cap
I gotta say I love the fractal Ram emblem on the steering wheel.
If Ram made a Manual Transmission option for the low roof 118" wheelbase variant or they made an all electric Promaster 118" low roof I'd almost definitely buy one. Their FWD drivetrain is very slick and with a manual transmission it would be like the Turbo Manual Dodge Caravan's of old. A hoonable yet practical little van.
They would sell 12 manuals and lose about 20 million for offering it,,,,, hahaha.
In the UK the Fiat Ducato, Citroen Relay & Peugeot Boxer has had this style since at least 2014 and the L4H3 high roof at least the same amount of time. Fiat has released a new facelift now for 2022 which Citroen and Peugeot will no doubt do by years end so this RAM is already 'out of date'.....
How many Ram Promaster looked at, none of the cars found auxiliary driving systems. None of the cars had adaptive cruise control. This system used to exist, but now it doesn't. I don't understand why factories do this.
I’m rooting for the current gen to run 5 more years. Having driven the new Transit a couple times and a Promaster once, they are superior to GMs vans but I like the old school drive and V8 of the GM.
I have worked on hundreds of the Fiat Ducato and a couple of the Peugeot Boxer versions of this van. (07-18) The Diesel engines were ok, but the transmissions were terrible. Both manual and automated manual (kinda auto) were so unreliable. Also the build quality was so poor prior to 2014, that the manual transmissions started to fall off on a batch from 2011. The paintwork on white vans would wash off after 2 years and was a long term known problem. They also creak over every bump. Not loved by customers or staff.
I hope the problems have been fixed for the Promaster and the revised 23 model is much better. Odd choice that the side windows are now plastic polycarbonate and not glass.
They no longer offer the diesel powertrain in North America. I worked at a company that had one. The diesel engine was good, but that manumatic was awful. It shifted so slow that it was dangerous to drive in heavy traffic while loaded.
The build quality seems to be OK on these.
@@1guyin10 they never offered that Pneumatic transmission in the US. US models had the ZF 9 speed automatic transmission they use in their other front wheel drive cars.
@@damilolaakanni They use the 9 soeed German Transmission on the IVECO Daily which is like a extremely HD version of a Ducato. It carries vastly more than the Sprinter
"fresh look" the fiat ducato has had that exact look since 2014...
That look is a bit old hat outside the US, but new there
@@robertryan7204 yup, but doesn't change the fact that it's neither new nor fresh
@@joshkiej6601 That is correct your getting an old European version without the engine options as " new" in the US
These new headlights don't look silly like the old water buckets
Why spend anymore money on a new design when you really don’t have to
How tall is the super high roof in exterior? I know it's 7'2 interior but I just want to be sure it fits in most parking garages.
I want 4 seats 2nd row and double passenger seats. I want the seats removable.
Can't make removable seats that are crash test rated. Nearly impossible.
On this platform, at least.
The only problem I had with these is the seating position is undoable as a tall guy.
I wonder if they fixed the issue with the 2023 model.
Nope
The problem with the partition between the driver and passengers area and the cargo area is obviously that this configuration wouldn't work for someone who wanted to use it as a camper and have access to both the front and rear areas without having to exit the vehicle. I completely agree with those who've said that it would've been great if the seats behind the driver and front passenger folded down to provide a sleeping area -- needless to say, the partition would have to go to do that.
Should be around 20
It's new to the US and this is awesome. Love it.
Thanks for this very informative video I’ve got a 2019 pro master. A excellent van. But this 23 is very nice too
What’s the fuel consumption for city/ hiway?
My transmission just slipped watching this video
Glad this answered my question on if this came in awd or 4x4.... man... 😢
What about expediting van like this how many skids can you fit inside the van
I would rather the USPS get a fleet of those than that Oshkosh monstrosity.
As a mail carrier I 100000% agree
Not in left hand drive.
yeah new front end for america, the front design has been for a years in europe in the ducaro van, but looks great.
So after 8 years you give it a ducato front end and half a dash update? Extremely weak redo. Will taillight bulbs keep burning out and have coolant smell?
Ducato dront end is a big improvement
Definitely looks better up front and in the dash and front interior. Some very good changes but as an RV they set the generator underneath right behind the axel and it is lower than the axel. Horrible set up!! If you got one as an RV and go anywhere off of a paved road, you might want to lift it and add some protection to that generator!!
How is it possible for the Pentastar engine to have this high of towing capacity? My Dodge Grand Caravan did not have this towing capacity. A Pacifica does not have this towing capacity. A nd they all have the same engine. Please explain this discrepancy. Do the windows in the rear doors open? Please share these details.
Towing capacity is about cooling unit transmission. Rear windows won't never open, cause noise and smell.
How is the fuel pump my 2018 fuel pump I had to replace three times a year
A super high roof long wb with a 25 mpg + cummins diesel option with rear wheel drive and I'm in.
Will components still fall off when you slam the doors?
It's a Fiat...
@@waterheaterservices Fix It Again Tony!
What mpg ?
Still no AWD option. Not good for costumers such as FedEx and Amazon who use these vehicles to deliver in the parts of the country that deal with winter weather on a daily basis. Especially whenever you have weight in the back
Is anyone interested in having a tilt steering wheel?
Does e Torque optional? Standard? Or not available?
RV conversion customers should be pretty happy about the attractive new front end design. We'll have to wait and see how the 9-speed automatic is programmed for this adaptation.
My dealer today said that any RAM van would be a 6 month wait, and that was optimistic.
2 months to get a 2023, but you have to take a Winnebago build out
So, 9% better fuel mileage is about 1.5 miles over the older 6-speed trans. Not bad. so, one would expect to get 17.5~18.5 mpg. If you keep the speed down below 65 mph.
Front storage cabin could us a plug to charge maybe batteries and work laptops and cellphones
But no DRW option, for greater stability of the new super high roof?
High roof with the crew cab and AWD would be perfect for my family.
Not going to see AWD offered anytime soon on the Promaster. A higher roof (H3) and battery electric versions are on the way though.
Ford have both available. High roof and now AWD!
Looks like they fix the stupid radio display that does not adjustable dim. I see improvements, but, I despise that soft cab foam floor.
extra high roof with bed in the roof like they do on the Euro vans would be very nice. I just sold my 2019 RT zion. So Im ready to buy
I can't wait to see someone do this lol. Im 5'9 so could walk the the length standing under the loft.
Why not a hybrid option? 25 mpg highway would be awesome in a Van like this! Guess I'll have to wait a few more years.
It would be nice if we could get the diesels like they have in Europe.
Will the 2023 Promaster van be available in the super high roof for the crew and passenger versions?
No awd options?
Hurricne i6 and 10k towing for my jeep and im in with the super high for a bed up near ceiling
There was no excuse for how bad the headlights and transmission were on the outgoing generation.
The transmission seemed like it was straight from the 1980's and the headlights were there for decorative purposes only. A 2020 promaster is the only vehicle I've driven that can cast a shadow in front of itself that the headlights fail to illuminate
I heard the old Promaster's shadow once killed a dog
Mind boggling that after all these years of customer requests for a simple thing like steering wheel tilt, Dodge fails to deliver. This one easily addressable issue makes the drive uncomfortable and is why I stick with the Sprinter.
That's the problem they don't listen to the actual consumer who's using these vans for work and the people in suits think they know best they're running it like government
Not surprising at all when you understand that alot of these companies are run by extremely corrupt people. People who want to keep themselves ultra rich, and dont give the slightest crap about you and me. They see us as peasants. This might seem a bit over the top, but look at the facts..they build year after year very unreliable low performing parts/vehicles, when they had the technology to do it right decades ago. And they cant be bothered to makes simple steering wheel fixes when they know good and well how uncomfortanle they are for lots of people. And the list goes on. Same thing with alot of whats being built today, vehicles or otherwise.
How about all wheel drive?
Now that they have the 9 speed in the Promaster, when can we expect to see Ram replace the 3.6 with the 2.0? The 2.0 has more torque and similar horsepower to the 3.6.
In my opinion, that probably won’t happen. The 2.0 is fine for a lighter vehicle, but I suspect with the additional weight and payloads being carried in the Promaster, the real world fuel economy will be disappointing. When you start using boost in a turbo motor on a more or less continuous basis, fuel burn increases substantially. That’s part of the reason Ford opted to offer the 7.3 v8 in their heavy duty line of trucks. Under load, the fuel burn was competitive and the engine is under less stress in that environment.
Not unless it's a turbo diesel & the Americans aren't friendly toward those.
As an Amazon driver, I request power doors for the side and rear doors and the ability to control them using the keyfob
Just 1 more thing to break.
Maybe the headlamps won't fail every month in this model.
It's a Fiat...
That passenger/cargo set up is great for airport shuttles or work crews. And all the the tech upgrades are great. But the fact there's no awd or 4x4 is pathetic. That cuts out most of the rv market and off road market
Oh and the super high roof is nice
Crew style for van life would be amazing to have that extra seating. However, I would still like to get to access the back from the inside AND I would want to heat and AC the back. So those are a BIG miss for me, making this no different than a truck with a shell. Also, I'm sad they haven't added a mid-size with the 7ft clearance, like Mercedes, a Van life competitor, since many areas of the United States do not allow vehicles over 8ft in town.
Was hoping for better from Ram.
Coming from a 2018 Medium roof 159, besides the dash and motor technology, upgrading to a new Ram would not be worth overlooking a new Ford.
Would be nice if there’ll be 3rd and 4th rows that we can remove the seats when not needed.
I assume it still has that stupid rear beam/cross member where the rear axle would be so it can hit rocks if you go offroad for camping or catch the shredded semi truck tire you just ran over on the highway.
I've replaced the Halogen Headlamps in my 2014 maybe 10x times. Finally patched in LEDs in desperation. Please tell me the new PMs actually use LEDs. It is 2022/23 now, come on!
Peugeot Boxer/Citroën Jumper/Fiat Ducato/Opel Movano/Vauxhall Movano/Ram Promaster
Can't be many years before the next generation comes, this one has been sold since 2006. The last one was produced 1993-2006
VANS!! 🤘🏻👍🏻🇳🇴
LOL at the guy trying to pretend that they « focussed on the headlights » for this 2023 model. Dude, the Promaster is not « like », it IS called the Fiat Ducato in Europe and this version is the facelift they got in 2014! So basically, when WE got the Promaster in 2014, we got the already obsolete version that had been on sale in Europe since 2006! We have a 16 y.o. design basically, and now that we are getting the facelift, it’s already 8-9 years old in Europe. Plus, the lack of engine choices is pretty lame. Which is sad since the FWD platform is pretty appealing for snowy climates.
Basically the US is getting a recycled Ducato. That petrol engine is oretty woeful
Does it get a better engine that won't need cylinder heads after 70k miles?
And who makes that 9 speed? Chrysler?
I like the vans, but I won't hold my breath on it being reliable.
While I have no experience with the engines apparently they've made them much better over the years to the point where they're an extremely reliable little mill. ZF makes the transmissions apparently.
If they made one of the Low Roof SWB models with a manual transmission I'd have to get one. That being said their FWD setup is really clever.
The company I work for has 5 2019’s that have had zero issues. Not the most comfortable but I have driven them 1000 miles in a day on multiple occasions. SO glad to hear they are swapping to the 9 speed! That is my biggest gripe about our vans. 1,2,3 is a close ratio then you hit 4th and drop from 6200 to 3k rpm. Thats when the smiles dissolve. 😬😞
@@kkkkiaken good to know... I do like the vans chassis, I will keep an eye open on the newer ones. I just want one for a small camper. I like the Ford vans too, but these are nice and low in the rear, and abundant.
when will they make a 4x4 for up hill road in snow?
Italian with an American badge it’s basically spaghetti bolognese with onion rings
That looks way better and seems cool. Just don’t know about rams quality and longevity.
Much better looks inside and out
What color is that?.
Diesel engine available?
Not in USA
Why doesnt ram offer a 7500 class ram or a ram based econoline dually chassis cab competitor
Because the owners are Eurioean and are recycling European Vans in the US
I honestly love the Promaster van . Make my living out of one.
Would’ve loved for them to change the rear tail lights but the light refreshes make it look a little more modern
Lol it took ages for that Fiat Ducato facelift to arrive in the USA.