They finished 5th first season, then in the second season they won the Europa League but also finished 19th! 3rd season ends up with a champions league run whilst in the championship! Was very tempted to duplicate the save and add myself as the manager, but the team was understandably in tatters🤣
The Kane/Son combo with 91% of all goals contribution is a very good representation of real life I feel like. In fact the duo just recently set a new record in the Premier League against Leeds by having the highest goal combinations of all time. They scored 37 times where one would assist the other throughout their time playing together. In stats they are now a better duo than Drogba/Lampard and Aguero/David Silva ever were.
It’s a real problem with Spurs finding that Third player to create and score on that front line, which is why Kulusevski’s recent success since joining in January has been so welcome
The 91% stat is incorrect, you can't just add their contributions together because they can contribute to goals with other players in their team. Also if they did truly have 91% goal contributions for all of Tottenham, then they should have 91% each.
@@davidcaso7924-1 why arsenal whyyyyyyyyyyy United fans are drowning our sorrows I was in tears Sir Alex Ferguson is still holding on Aberdeen's miraculous win that's why he's still the best ...... For now
This seems to show that FM still seems to punish defensive set ups - Wolves IRL can barely score but have a solid defense, and that seems to translate to failure in FM
Zealand says "Football Manager" and "Spreadsheet" in the intro .... i hit the like button quicker than i ever have before, this is going to be the best thing ever
Tottenham is my favorite FM save for this reason. With a few touches, you can turn them into a Champion's league team. You either build around both Son and Kane, sell one for wonderkids and depth, or both and completely rebuild (tho this tanks squad dynamics hard). Plus they have very long trophy droughts which makes every silverware you win sweeter
That's interesting to me. In my first year of my Arsenal save they just avoided relegation and Conte was sacked before Christmas. Chelsea was 8th and Tuchel was sacked at the end of the first season. Diego Simeone took over.
@@lefoxsportif7796 3 back systems struggle in the engine. Usually Chelsea becomes really good after they went 4-3-3, even more once the youngsters started getting full potential. Tottenham is the same where they struggle until they fire Conte and things start to balance out. Usually I run 4-2-3-1 with Tottenham then pivot to 4-3-3 in the next years when I started solidifying the midfield (I usually buy for the defence first). Arsenal is kinda rng, sometimes they overachieve like in my save or they heavily underachieve.
The one thing I was lacking was the transfers: Top Purchases, Top Sales, Most Purchased, Most Sold, Average Spend, Average Net Spend etc. Besides that, it was an amazing job, well done.
The lowest City finished was 6th, so they had continental qualification every season. But in the total table they had 36 titles, 81 UCL qualifications and 1 UEL qualification. Why doesn’t their total number of European qualifications add up to 100?
I know it's been months, but if someone who didn't qualify for Eurpoe wins the League or FA Cup, they qualify and the team placed 6 or 7th doesn't. So it probably accounted for that
I've always wondered if MAN U have extra boost on FM. I swear they still do amazing every time despite it not being that way for a while but MAN CITY also do well despite only doing well for the same amount of time that MAN U have been just above average.
I think I have commented on 3 videos over my 8+ years on UA-cam. This video deserves one ! Mad interesting video ! Would love to see more like this ! Great work ma dude !!!!
This is a very cool idea, Z! Thank you for putting it together and I must say, I feel you are moving FM content into a direction it has not been before
@@JimmyO90 Nope. Gloucester. By the time I got to the prem, those guys were getting older and not quite as much of a guarantee to win. Wwith Salah to the right of those two, they had quite a run before I got to the prem.
The answer is simple and not at all weird! Liverpool failed to qualify for the Champions League more often than City which means less points, wins and more losses so on Average they will have finished lower than City despite winning more trophies
Amazing work. And yeah, having paused the video to rush off and scout Kabak three seasons in to my save, he does look like a diamond in the rough - having averaged above a 7.00 for Norwich, then Schalke, and then Villareal (who nabbed him for only £3.1m).
The data analysis and presentation is great, but i'm not sure why an FM fan would really want to look at this in more detail? It provides data that many would expect to see and there isn't really anything interesting of note. When playing your own saves, you will have noticed that Brighton & Palace are underrated and Arsenal & United are OP
This is so cool! I hope you and your team decide to the same for the rest of the top 5 leagues, it would be interesting seeing their comparisons with real life
why did Liverpool and Man city only get into the UCL around 80 times? When you look at the data it says Liverpool finished 5th only 3 times and never lower than that
Yesterday I started my new Save: I started unemployed and skipped the First Season and Tottenham ended up on 19th, so they got relegated - I manage to get the Job, and now I'm with Tottenham in the Championship and still have Kane, Son and so on xD
Beautifully presented. Tyler should get a job as a data analyst! For next simulation, can we see Ligue 1? Would be good to see if PSG would really win every single time
I am sorry Z but mathematics dont work that way son could assist kane meaning they would both get better % on the goal contribution. So if u go down the list and you add up spurs players you will find sth like a 156% of goals that come from their players since for every one goal you can get either 1 unassisted goals or 2 goal assisted goals to your squad... on the other note... Own goals... 0 contributions? i think it should be 0. yeah... we need that spreadsheet Z P.S. SO basicly 91% of the 156%(rough number) should be that it is 58,3% factoring everything in account is actually a really good number it could be worse if perhaps a lot less unassisted goals came from the spurs side or maybe own goals scored by the opposition.
Ah yes, the three constants in life. Death, taxes, and Palace getting relegated in an FM22 sim. I only started following football (and being a Palace fan) this season, so seeing them down there every time is just weird to me lmao. Also, Fergie, who has made a single appearance this season and has been injured for the most part, leads in a certain statistic! That's cool.
I am absolutely convinced FM hates Palace. They get relegated in almost EVERY experiment and ‘let’s play’ video I see. Been in the Prem for 10 seasons now and FM has them constantly getting relegated. Something is severely wrong there.
Did you ever redo the "playable vs viewable vs custom data setup" tests for finding they best way of getting different outcomes? It seems like there's been some contradictory info going around. What would be a good strategy depending on the style of play. Long play vs a few seasons, youth concentrated, single club, national team, etc. Also, maybe you can address adding and removing playable leagues in-game as well! And maybe a 5 year experiment instead of 1!
wow what an incredible video, the amount of work your team has put in in amazing. I'm really hoping you can make that spreadsheet available as that would be an amazing tool to have.
In our network game Spurs finished 18th and got relegated in the first season. Amazing seeing this data and seeing the variance that can happen with the same start point
And yet, by contrast, in my game Newcastle bought Danny Ings for £64m in the first season, who goes on to win the Premier League golden boot in season 2 (striker partner Callum Wilson wins golden boot in season 1) with adventurous league finishes such as 9th and 7th respectively. Chelsea also missed out on UCL and then got Mbappé on a free. Poetically, they beat fellow non-UCL-qualifiers Real Madrid in the Europa League final the following year. Zlatan wins the UCL with Milan in season 2 and immediately retires. My alternate reality save is a mess. On the flip side, I freakin' love charts, graphs, spreadsheets etc. I'm in heaven with this video. 💜
This was really cool, opens a lot of oportunities for what to look at. Like what happens to each team if you remove their captain or goalkeeper? maybe remove all first team players and then see who has the best second string? I feel like Man City would still win, but could be some interesting surprises depending on the quality of those who dont usually play every week.
Do you think it would be possible to have this for personal use, like say I want to simulate the Danish league or something, and after the simulations are done I would just get the data like this?
One interesting number to see would be something to represent variability - Liverpool clearly have a very low one whereas Leeds and Spurs seemed to have quite a high one. A low one would presumably indicate that a team has very key players whose injuries make a big swing or perhaps prone to falling apart on morale. Really you'd probably need at least 1000 simulations for some of the stats to really bare out but that's not really reasonable lol
Manchester United are to overpowered in this year's FM again. I'm in 2036 of my current save and ole is still United manager and is about to win his 9th premier league title.
Power BI guys will be something like the analysts in next FMs. Few uses them. But they will be richly payed and vastly used in the next few year in FM and also IRL
11:22 the key stat I see here is CR7 has an average minutes well below the other top 2. When you get players who have played around the same amount of minutes, just look at the drop-off in output. Ronaldo and Salah seperated by 1 assist and Ronaldo has played almost 1000 minutes less. Even Harry Kane who has an average of 1 more goal and 3 more assists, has 400 more minutes played then Ronaldo.
The simulation team has done a phenomenal job. Even just the way it's presented is top tier. Amazing work guys.
Everton making the UCL and getting relegated is a very Everton vibe
This exact thing happened on my save! They got out the group whilst being in the championship....mental!!
@@aydenconnor4398 How wtf
They finished 5th first season, then in the second season they won the Europa League but also finished 19th! 3rd season ends up with a champions league run whilst in the championship! Was very tempted to duplicate the save and add myself as the manager, but the team was understandably in tatters🤣
Wtf
The Kane/Son combo with 91% of all goals contribution is a very good representation of real life I feel like.
In fact the duo just recently set a new record in the Premier League against Leeds by having the highest goal combinations of all time. They scored 37 times where one would assist the other throughout their time playing together. In stats they are now a better duo than Drogba/Lampard and Aguero/David Silva ever were.
It’s a real problem with Spurs finding that Third player to create and score on that front line, which is why Kulusevski’s recent success since joining in January has been so welcome
@@ohno9819 Kulu has been a revelation
@@benseabrease2480 for now lol….long may it continue (and may he PLEASE get a right foot)
@@ohno9819 "Start developing weaker foot"
The 91% stat is incorrect, you can't just add their contributions together because they can contribute to goals with other players in their team. Also if they did truly have 91% goal contributions for all of Tottenham, then they should have 91% each.
I wonder how many of Maguire's tackles were made on Luke Shaw?
Goated
- I looked forward in time, I saw a 100 futures.
= In how many of those did Arsenal win the Premier League?
- One.
Generous
Uh... yeah maybe a bit more than 1 now lol
@@davidcaso792 We've got super Mik Arteta!
@@davidcaso792 You were saying something?
@@davidcaso7924-1 why arsenal whyyyyyyyyyyy United fans are drowning our sorrows I was in tears Sir Alex Ferguson is still holding on Aberdeen's miraculous win that's why he's still the best ...... For now
This seems to show that FM still seems to punish defensive set ups - Wolves IRL can barely score but have a solid defense, and that seems to translate to failure in FM
But if that's the case then why was Burnley above them on average? An arguably even more defensive team?
Everton got relegated in one simulation
Looks like we’re living in that reality
damn vro
Zealand says "Football Manager" and "Spreadsheet" in the intro .... i hit the like button quicker than i ever have before, this is going to be the best thing ever
I saw this comment during the Ads, ive already liked
Obviously broken. Everybody knows that the dribbliest boi is Allan Saint-Maximin.
Tifo reference
Ibrahim Sangare my lord and saviour
This is impressive, it would be such interesting to see it for Liga, Bundes or Ligue 1, and even for pre/post patch differences
Does having a proper workflow mean you can simulate a Streamer Showdown based on the initial squads and tactics? That would be cool.
The dudes on the lowdown already do that. I believe Zealand was 600/1 to win it based on the simulations.
@@Roscododger I'm pretty sure the 600-1 was just the start of season FM predictions, but still...600-1, intrigued?!
Unreal idea
@@Roscododger wrong
This is a great display of what a great team can do with data, hope to see other simulation work soon!
It took me about 5 minutes to realize this is is one season done 100 times and not 100 seasons lmao
Tottenham is my favorite FM save for this reason. With a few touches, you can turn them into a Champion's league team. You either build around both Son and Kane, sell one for wonderkids and depth, or both and completely rebuild (tho this tanks squad dynamics hard).
Plus they have very long trophy droughts which makes every silverware you win sweeter
That's interesting to me. In my first year of my Arsenal save they just avoided relegation and Conte was sacked before Christmas. Chelsea was 8th and Tuchel was sacked at the end of the first season. Diego Simeone took over.
@@lefoxsportif7796 3 back systems struggle in the engine. Usually Chelsea becomes really good after they went 4-3-3, even more once the youngsters started getting full potential. Tottenham is the same where they struggle until they fire Conte and things start to balance out.
Usually I run 4-2-3-1 with Tottenham then pivot to 4-3-3 in the next years when I started solidifying the midfield (I usually buy for the defence first).
Arsenal is kinda rng, sometimes they overachieve like in my save or they heavily underachieve.
@@lefoxsportif7796 If you play Chelsea or Tottenham yourself and not use 3 in the back, they are pretty strong.
Great simulation!
Please, simulate the World Cup once all nations have qualified.
The one thing I was lacking was the transfers: Top Purchases, Top Sales, Most Purchased, Most Sold, Average Spend, Average Net Spend etc.
Besides that, it was an amazing job, well done.
The lowest City finished was 6th, so they had continental qualification every season. But in the total table they had
36 titles, 81 UCL qualifications and 1 UEL qualification.
Why doesn’t their total number of European qualifications add up to 100?
Maybe it only counts direct qualification and the years they qualified to playoff aren't accounted for?
I know it's been months, but if someone who didn't qualify for Eurpoe wins the League or FA Cup, they qualify and the team placed 6 or 7th doesn't. So it probably accounted for that
I've always wondered if MAN U have extra boost on FM. I swear they still do amazing every time despite it not being that way for a while but MAN CITY also do well despite only doing well for the same amount of time that MAN U have been just above average.
I think I have commented on 3 videos over my 8+ years on UA-cam. This video deserves one ! Mad interesting video ! Would love to see more like this ! Great work ma dude !!!!
Be super interesting to see this compared to the same test on the new update
Yo that's literally my brother lmao
So proud
I'd love to have a copy of the data sheets presented, if possible, this seems super interesting to sink my teeth into
This is a very cool idea, Z! Thank you for putting it together and I must say, I feel you are moving FM content into a direction it has not been before
Would love to see if any goalkeepers scored in the sims
The real question is, what team buys the best wonderkids most often. I.E Haaland, Mbappe, Moukoko, Bellingham etc.
That's a good question. In my Prem save, Liverpool got both Hallaand and MBappe...
@@mikesearcy9151 Were you Liverpool?
@@JimmyO90 Haaland, went to Liverpool Mbappe, went to Inter, and Bellingham went to Chelsea in my save.
@@JimmyO90 Nope. Gloucester. By the time I got to the prem, those guys were getting older and not quite as much of a guarantee to win. Wwith Salah to the right of those two, they had quite a run before I got to the prem.
Could've waited till after the Winder Update, but nice vid anyway!
I love this! I work with power BI and I would love to get involved with anything you do in the future! Love your content Zealand!
Okay, this is awesome but... you do realize, you're now legally obligated to do this for every Top 5-League? 😩🤞🏻
This is Newcastle if Steve Bruce was immortal and immune to sacking
“zach steffen has the easiest job in the world” bro just costed us the fa cup💀
Brighton and Crystal Palace at way better than the simulation. Leicester and Man Utd are the opposite
Truly phenomenal hard work! Brilliant video. I’m hoping and prying for a “Return to 12th” for the little red pukes.
You should do this for every top 5 league imo
The answer is simple and not at all weird! Liverpool failed to qualify for the Champions League more often than City which means less points, wins and more losses so on Average they will have finished lower than City despite winning more trophies
would be great to see this done for Serie A, great video.
Simulating the end to the premier league season would be interesting to see. With how tight it is at the top and bottom
Amazing work. And yeah, having paused the video to rush off and scout Kabak three seasons in to my save, he does look like a diamond in the rough - having averaged above a 7.00 for Norwich, then Schalke, and then Villareal (who nabbed him for only £3.1m).
🤤🤤 Data 🤤🤤
Would love this to be publicly available if possible
The data analysis and presentation is great, but i'm not sure why an FM fan would really want to look at this in more detail? It provides data that many would expect to see and there isn't really anything interesting of note. When playing your own saves, you will have noticed that Brighton & Palace are underrated and Arsenal & United are OP
This is so cool!
I hope you and your team decide to the same for the rest of the top 5 leagues, it would be interesting seeing their comparisons with real life
That is an incredible piece of work. Fascinating to watch.
Was this pre-winter update? Would be interested to see the difference if so if you re-ran the simulation with the update
Very cool simulation but have to admit it that dashboards looks dope. Hats off for the developer!
Would be very interesting to see this in the top 5 leagues or like the PL but over 5 seasons per "try". Very interesting video!
Just goes to show what a good job you're doing in the network game! Human managers should be pushing top 4 with Villa, their squad is great
why did Liverpool and Man city only get into the UCL around 80 times? When you look at the data it says Liverpool finished 5th only 3 times and never lower than that
Maybe an English team won a couple of times but didnt finish in the top 4?
UCL qualification seem uncertain if you get 4th place in the end of season. It may be because non top 4 England team is in final at UEL.
A league can lose CL spots.
@@JamesHussain82 I think the video simulate 21-22 season only. league spot will not affected league coefficient.
@@CCHdennis1 good point! Didn't think of that..
Yesterday I started my new Save: I started unemployed and skipped the First Season and Tottenham ended up on 19th, so they got relegated - I manage to get the Job, and now I'm with Tottenham in the Championship and still have Kane, Son and so on xD
Love things like this. Please keep making these!
Damn that analysis looks beautiful!
Really really nice content
Wearing yellow is totally fine. Being Norwich is a bad strategy.
Beautifully presented.
Tyler should get a job as a data analyst!
For next simulation, can we see Ligue 1? Would be good to see if PSG would really win every single time
Pep probably looked at this and played zac steffen against liverpool.
SI, give these guys a damn job!!
I am sorry Z but mathematics dont work that way son could assist kane meaning they would both get better % on the goal contribution. So if u go down the list and you add up spurs players you will find sth like a 156% of goals that come from their players since for every one goal you can get either 1 unassisted goals or 2 goal assisted goals to your squad... on the other note... Own goals... 0 contributions? i think it should be 0. yeah... we need that spreadsheet Z
P.S. SO basicly 91% of the 156%(rough number) should be that it is 58,3% factoring everything in account is actually a really good number it could be worse if perhaps a lot less unassisted goals came from the spurs side or maybe own goals scored by the opposition.
Props to creators for making this
This needs to made available to the public cuz this is mental
Ah yes, the three constants in life. Death, taxes, and Palace getting relegated in an FM22 sim. I only started following football (and being a Palace fan) this season, so seeing them down there every time is just weird to me lmao.
Also, Fergie, who has made a single appearance this season and has been injured for the most part, leads in a certain statistic! That's cool.
palace were predicted to go down IRL before Viera, and a lot of the players excluding Zaha are terrible in the first database
Loving the vids Zealand, keep it up champ!
Man U still OP in Football manager I see :-D
You should do this with the other top leagues too. Great stuff.
Arsenal: So you're saying there's a chance?
The passing percentages are a clear indication of the match engine's inaccurate simulation of modern football. Still a fun video, though.
I am absolutely convinced FM hates Palace. They get relegated in almost EVERY experiment and ‘let’s play’ video I see. Been in the Prem for 10 seasons now and FM has them constantly getting relegated. Something is severely wrong there.
Simulation team should be hired by some big company or big football team. Excellent work
Everton getting relegated but achieveing consistent European finishes has me in tears
Amazing work!
Did you ever redo the "playable vs viewable vs custom data setup" tests for finding they best way of getting different outcomes? It seems like there's been some contradictory info going around. What would be a good strategy depending on the style of play. Long play vs a few seasons, youth concentrated, single club, national team, etc. Also, maybe you can address adding and removing playable leagues in-game as well! And maybe a 5 year experiment instead of 1!
wow what an incredible video, the amount of work your team has put in in amazing. I'm really hoping you can make that spreadsheet available as that would be an amazing tool to have.
Great Dashboard work
In our network game Spurs finished 18th and got relegated in the first season. Amazing seeing this data and seeing the variance that can happen with the same start point
Great video. Can you do the same for the championship in England?
Love your videos mate! 👍🏻
I would like to see this with players and managers randomly assigned to different teams. That will be nice to assess players and managers
Transfers would be interesting to look at. See if any teams buy the same players often. See if teams sell the same players often.
Not gonna lie, kinda impressed with that finnish pronunciation.
And yet, by contrast, in my game Newcastle bought Danny Ings for £64m in the first season, who goes on to win the Premier League golden boot in season 2 (striker partner Callum Wilson wins golden boot in season 1) with adventurous league finishes such as 9th and 7th respectively.
Chelsea also missed out on UCL and then got Mbappé on a free. Poetically, they beat fellow non-UCL-qualifiers Real Madrid in the Europa League final the following year.
Zlatan wins the UCL with Milan in season 2 and immediately retires. My alternate reality save is a mess.
On the flip side, I freakin' love charts, graphs, spreadsheets etc. I'm in heaven with this video. 💜
This was really cool, opens a lot of oportunities for what to look at. Like what happens to each team if you remove their captain or goalkeeper? maybe remove all first team players and then see who has the best second string? I feel like Man City would still win, but could be some interesting surprises depending on the quality of those who dont usually play every week.
Didn't get where to find the graph but ty for this experiment :))
Crystal Palace are the most disrespected team in FM.
Damn I watch you in twitch but didn’t knew you had a UA-cam channel lol
Would love to have also seen how the FA Cup went in each of those seasons
Now do it for the best League!
Finally
Even Football Manager makes being a Norwich fan difficult 😅
THIS IS AWESOME!
Fabulous job
Everton: Relegated 1 time
*We really are in a cursed timeline*
Do you think it would be possible to have this for personal use, like say I want to simulate the Danish league or something, and after the simulations are done I would just get the data like this?
One interesting number to see would be something to represent variability - Liverpool clearly have a very low one whereas Leeds and Spurs seemed to have quite a high one. A low one would presumably indicate that a team has very key players whose injuries make a big swing or perhaps prone to falling apart on morale. Really you'd probably need at least 1000 simulations for some of the stats to really bare out but that's not really reasonable lol
Love the batik!
if possible, i think it would be really cool to simulate the rest of the PL season imo
I see we're in the 1-in-100 simulation for Everton in real life...
it would be really cool to see how the winter update reflects the real life. by comparing this simulation to a new one of prem, but with winter update
Manchester United are to overpowered in this year's FM again. I'm in 2036 of my current save and ole is still United manager and is about to win his 9th premier league title.
I need this spreadsheet in my life
Power BI guys will be something like the analysts in next FMs. Few uses them. But they will be richly payed and vastly used in the next few year in FM and also IRL
Ohhhh, that's NOT a 100 years in the future simulation. Gotcha.
11:22 the key stat I see here is CR7 has an average minutes well below the other top 2. When you get players who have played around the same amount of minutes, just look at the drop-off in output. Ronaldo and Salah seperated by 1 assist and Ronaldo has played almost 1000 minutes less. Even Harry Kane who has an average of 1 more goal and 3 more assists, has 400 more minutes played then Ronaldo.
In one of my saves Arsenal was relegated first season while Leeds finished in a UCL spot