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10 years in, and you both mirror my depression with this game. No matter what the result this will be the game Chris Roberts is remembered for. This is his legacy.
Agreed. Some backers will be so depressed or angry or dead by the time it might even meet a quarter of the promised features.
I can’t entirely blame cigs marketing, because people can choose to not keep giving them money. That said cig clearly faked every demo,
I think that’s proven now. One could argue cig has lied to get here today by demonstrating things that don’t exists to make the game look further alone that it is. I wouldn’t have brought in if I knew that the sand worm demo was fake. If that’s the case and it was Volkswagen lieing selling cars, there would have already been a class action suit against them. Cig gets away with it a little because it’s niche and kick starter grey zone a little bit, but you could easily call it a scam or fraud. Easy.
Bro there is no damn legacy the last came he released was in the 90s this isn’t an accomplishment gentleman it’s a fail
@@NRD_Gamer1024 A legacy doesn't have to be good 😊 All I meant was that SC failing will overshadow his success with WC. This is what he'll be remembered for.
@@Eagle6Airsoft I think there’s no class action bc the crowd funding backers of Chronicles of Elyria had their case dismissed. And this is arguably far larger, but continues to show progress. So that lawsuit would likely be dismissed on the same grounds
@@herdnkittens depends on the amount of money that someone with the capability nowadays thinks they can profit from bringing them down. Right or wrong unfortunately probably never factors into it. Cig just has to upset the wrong person nowadays. It’s why company’s try and keep liability to a minimum, with most working on the assumption that is why they took down the sq42 package, as some country’s changed a ruling on selling vapourware with cig favourite new catch praise, “no more dates, it’s done when ever we fancy doing it”.
Guy is right to feel that way.
In the same way he has a right to feel any way about any thing. Sure. In that his feelings are totally valid and reasonable? Meh, somewhat. At least on a surface level, sure. In that his feelings are ethically correct and righteous in the name of the lord? I doubt it.
Echochamber 101: feelings over facts
An opinion is a judgment, viewpoint, or statement that is not conclusive, rather than facts, which are true statements. Wikipedia
It may not always be obvious to your child when they are reading a statement whether it is a fact or an opinion. As we've discussed, facts are always true and can't be argued against. On the other hand, opinions can be argued against. Opinion statements may have phrases like “I feel,” “I believe,” “I think,” etc.
Opinions are Subjective;
based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions.
"his views are highly subjective"
"Android is better than Iphone"
Is an opinion
"George Washington was the first President of the USA"
Is a fact
Comprende? Its basic english, but one exists in the world we all experience, while the other only exists in your head.
Therefore your claims and opinions are irrelevant.
Fallacies of irrelevance are fallacies in which the premises are irrelevant to the conclusion. Such a fallacy is often called a non sequitur(“does not follow”), which is an argument in which the conclusion does not follow from the premises.
As in your feelings are not facts, and do not constitute an objective argument. Its also clear that it's all you have
Thats the difference between being in a cult, and being able to tie your own shoes 😂
You clearly struggle with basic concepts of truth, logic, and reality vs your unsupported claims, circular arguments, and fee fees
@@Uncanny_Mountain your whole speil was a non sequitur. You failed to engage with the op's (original poster's) comment. In this case, op is not the one struggling with concepts here. Even though i disagree with op on their opinion (ie, that the person in the video is either correct or righteous to feel the way they do about Star Citizen), their opinion is not a non sequitur. In a space that is filled with comments of agreement or disagreement as a way of showing solidarity with one side vs another, a declaration of support is indeed relevant to the conversation. Your speil on irrelevancy is ironically, irrelevant.
Also, declarations of opinionions like op's are not in and of themselves arguments. Given the context of the post as a youtube comment, it is as or more likely to exist, not to be an argument meant to convince an opposition, but to support the video with engagment while showing the videos author agreement or support.
Finally, an opinion from me. Posters like myself, who engage with the actual subject matter of a comment are highly valuable to the conversation. Poster like op, who provide their opinion (even unsuported) in solidarity with either side of an argument are minimally valuable to the coversation, but have value to the content creator. Posters like yourself who fail to engage with either the larger discussion or the op and their post have minimal if any value to anyone. You have been weighed, you have been measured, and you have been found wanting.
@@Uncanny_Mountain🙄 why can’t you just convey your opinion like a normal person?
It looks like you just want to tell someone they are wrong in a way that prevents any actual discourse from taking place.
@@ryanmitchell4044 I usually agree with the guy but also find him completely insufferable lol
I love how Mike is getting more annoyed at the game when his toughts allign with Muta's, cant imagine if they were in the same room, they would just resonate with eachother and go out of control. :D
critical mass would be achieved
He would just agree with whoever is in the room with him at the time, SaltEmike flip flops his opinion based on whatever gets him more views. Two-faced is the best description.
no new money until Beta and S42 is released. You can buy those concept ships when they exist. You can wait a patch to buy straight to flyable ships in game. You don't need a second javelin and you won't have enough friends to crew a 20 ship fleet. Just wait for it to happen because you aren't making it happen faster by enabling CiG. If you want to switch things up, melt something. No New Money until they get their $#!+ together.
I feel srry for concierge peeps
I’m applying exactly the same. They don’t get a new dime from me ongoing while they’re behaving and non-delivering to this extent.
Only money I've spent is on SC + Squadron. I think everyone should do the same. It annoys me how much people spend on an unreleased game for unreleased items :/
Thank you for opening my eyes. No more money for star citizen.
Well it's been 7 years, same as Starfield.
Rust took 8
RDR2 9
And Cyberpunk 10
It's also TWO games, so $250 million each, RDR2 spent $350 million on advertising alone.
RDR2 and Cyberpunk also had ten times the staff, and legacy code in an established Studio
What SC has done with so few staff and in such a short time is unprecedented in gaming history.
Of course you can disagree, but you can't tell me the Dev stats for Starfield, or any other comparable title, because no other Studio releases them.
Also GTA6 also started development at the same time and has a budget over eight times that of SC
So what exactly is your opinion based on?
@@Uncanny_Mountain Star Citizen is a game who's studio contains several hundred developers working on the game. It also is a niche game.
Elite Dangerous is a game who's studio contains several hundred developers working on the game. It is also a niche game.
One of them released and then, through regular updates, has steadily improving the gameplay loop, the UI, the customisation of ships, the amount of ships, the number of activities available, the variety of gameplay, etc., all while having a set price and a standard microtransaction store.
The other has been stuck in Alpha development for nothing short of a decade. It is lacking a LOT of basic functionalities, is missing core features, lacks an offline mode (that was promised), a campaign (also promised)... all the while being inaccessible to anyone that isn't ready to fork over the amount asked by AAA companies for fresh "ultimate deluxe editions" releases, if not WAY more, has servers constantly breaking down, is very demanding in terms of pc rig to make it run at least smoothly (when the servers aren't catching on fire)...
They're both competing for our time and offering to scratch the same itch. I don't care that CIG did crazy dev stuff on a game. Ultimately, they have the shadiest business practices in the gamedev world and are selling a game's EARLY CONCEPT like it's the second coming of Christ.
@@Uncanny_Mountainthose videogames are actually about to be released/already been released so what is the point you are trying to make exactly? the game is on an interminable "aLpHA"" 🤓 state, it's a broken mess with no clear direction on what the game even is.
also boo "Starfield" jumpscare
And some people are sooo blinded by the game that they will tell you that everything is fine and that you are the problem
I'm often very critical of Star Citizen, but some of the complaints from Mike are just stupid. Complaining that the game is to much of a "life simulator in space" for example. That's the whole idea of the game. Waiting for a tram. Having to call ATC to take off. Having to take off your helmet to eat and drink. He very often says there has to be rewards or reasons for doing missions. But what reward would that be? What kind of progression would he like to see? I get the feel he is in some kind of normal mmo mental state where you should get armor with higher and higher numbers to do harder and harder bosses or something. If the only reason you do a mission is because of some reward, then the game is boring anyway. If the gameplay is good, it will be fun even without some reward. Because fun is also a reason to play. The best reason to play I'd say. Not rewards. However, often gameplay is not good. So... there's that.
Well it's been 7 years, same as Starfield.
Rust took 8
RDR2 9
And Cyberpunk 10
It's also TWO games, so $250 million each, RDR2 spent $350 million on advertising alone.
RDR2 and Cyberpunk also had ten times the staff, and legacy code in an established Studio
What SC has done with so few staff and in such a short time is unprecedented in gaming history.
Of course you can disagree, but you can't tell me the Dev stats for Starfield, or any other comparable title, because no other Studio releases them.
Also GTA6 also started development at the same time and has a budget over eight times that of SC
So what exactly is your opinion based on?
@@Uncanny_Mountain Oh look. Is it uncanny valley again? Star citizen has been in devlopment way longer than 7 years. You can defend star citizen without lying about development time.
@@latjolajban81yes 13 years, however you can stop lying about what it means to make a game from scratch and also pay the bills. ESPECIALLY with the scope it has. Maybe go back and learn what the devs had to go through. sure there are some weird things but no more than any other development studio that hasn't made a name for itself yet. Mosst studios put out indie hames to start and work up from there. No mas sky only had three years of development, and they put out an empty game. Fast forward to today and the fame is still not finished but almost finished. They will probably eventually start charging for expansions after they put everything in the game that they promised 100%. But would you rather CIG put out an unfinished game or go the No Mans Sky route that had a ruined reputation until like last year? Put out what they have now, full of bugs and only like half of what they wanted, and then just update it for free for years to come? in this day and age we are tired of games coming out unfinished. It's like yall really have no idea what you want and they are damned if they do and damed if they dont, it's no wonder why game studios go quiet after a while. Toxic ass people demanding things even though they pay for it, and yet have no patience to wait for a finished profuct, and when it comes out and it isn't 100% perfect you say you are scammed. smh. Or if they complete it and release it and its unfinished and a buggy mess you want to feel vindicated and get your money back. smh. You just want to whine and complain and be a victim when they are CLEARLY showing how far The game has come. But progress to you is, its not finished yet so SCAM. smh touch grass dude
@@latjolajban81 even if you go by 10 it's still two games at once. The other thing is we don't see most game development start until they are several years into such. That why most folks think it's 2-3 years to make a game. Yah if it's some cookie cutter knock off of half a dozen other games or just the same game with new skins. All you can pull out of that is the Dev time...lol 7 years is mention a lot as that is when the scrap what they where working on and started over cause it wasn't going to work. That isn't unheard of either in the game industry. I swear some of ya'll just try to grab any little bit to hate on. I do think SQ42 taking way to long, but well we got good news recently so that is getting close to a finish...
This sort of thing is good because it reminds CIG that a lot of people are not happy with the progress.
Okay, and what company has made faster progress than CIG making the same tech?
CIG does not care. They are peak success as we speak.
@@billywashere6965 no one else is stupid enough to use Cryengine for an MMO, so none. All the other companies are smarter than that and thus have made more progress.
@@billywashere6965 Frontier did relative physics grids and multilayered scaling first. They did full scale planets. They did supercruise. CIG failed at all of those and over a much longer period of time. Sony figured out servermeshing decades ago and successfully implemented it into titles like planetside. Inventory systems have been done and redone thousands of times over in thousands of titles. I don't really know what tech you're talking about. They've not made anything unique that hasn't been done better before by someone else a long time ago. All they are trying to accomplish so far is to mash together several poor and unfinished versions of that tech, but they haven't even come close to succeeding at that yet either. Let me guess, you think bartender and river tech has never been done before?
@@leggomypotato1484 frontier did relative physic that's why you can walk , put vehicle, physicalized cargo crates inside ED ship interior like SC
oh wait...
Planetside does not use any kind of server meshing since you can not Switch between game servers with no loading screens without exiting your current game session
Stop spreading BS please you have no clue on what you're talking about
this was very therapeutic, thanks SaltEMike. (and SomeOrdinaryGamers)
I too have been here since the kickstarter and its been a hell of a journey to be honest. What's kept me sane was separating fact from fiction with the development here.
in 2012, CIG wasn't even a dev company, it was an LLC, with no location, with just Chris and a handful of people pitching ideas in his house.
Kickstarter was also not for Star Citizen as we know it. It was 10 Missions of what would become SQ42, designed to be in the style of Freelancer meets Wing Commander. It wasn't until the crowd demanded a full game that the idea for Multiplayer like Freelancers online community which was still thriving back then that the PU even started to form.
They picked Cryengine, which would have been fine for SQ42, but even hiring experts who knew the engine thoroughly, they couldn't adapt it, without having to move to Lumberyard which, meant a lot reworking everything they had been doing for the first 3 years.
They hit a Lawsuit that slowed development to a crawl for an entire year when they tried to hold CIG responsible for releasing SQ42 in full, along with a PU, which they almost were forced to do, which would have been the death of the project.
Actual Development of "Star Citizen" Didn't really start til almost 2016 because of this. 2 Years of building the company to AAA Standards, and then having to build Lumberyard from almost scratch with the tools they needed to do what was necessary.
Most AAA Games take 3-4 Yeas to develop from established companies with already pre-existing tech. So CIG was WELL behind the start line with this.
Mix in the fact that the entire Alpha project has to be in some form of playability to the general public and you add at least 20% lengthier development time as many man hours and time has to be dedicated to assembling the sandbox modules which no company to date has done, or ever had a reason to do. In short, this slows the entire process down. They have to balance between making something playable while not fixing ALL bugs which are only going to reoccur once a few more lines of code or certain feature is added and throws the entire process back to the start line all over again. Anyone's that's done any form of coding knows, that adding even one feature can cascade and make an entire program unplayable.
I equate this to trying having to paint a house that's being built. You're going to be repainting that bitch every week just to make it look presentable, while every contracted team on site is messing it up just as fast as you're painting it.
Here's where we hit a point of, I don't agree with what they did, but I understand its realistically the only way this project could have survived long enough to become self sufficient.
Most AAA Engines take an average of 5 years to develop. Just the engine. Especially an engine that would have to develop tech that doesn't even exist.
So, CIG is building an engine from its foundation, Building an entire AAA Single player game, which over half the assets aren't even going to be shared with the PU, and then a whole Multiplayer world that succeeds the Single player game.
^ All of this takes money, money that investors would put a deadline on, and kill the entire project like they do with nearly every development project in the last 10 years. We see this all the time where a game comes out with so many bugs its unplayable. Its because whomever funded the project forces the company to release their product in any semblance of playability so they can get their agreed upon money back bug or not. FF14, Cyberpunk, Batman, I coudl list off an entire page of AAA games that were borderline unplayable at release from some of the biggest companies in the market and some of these games have stood in development for almost a decade as well.
In short, Crowd fundings the only way this would have happened, and atm, CIG is self sufficient off investors that have no say on deadlines, because even if the project for whatever reason never released. The Star Engine or whatever they dubbed it now a days, is worth more than SQ42 or SC itself. What CIG's done with Lumberyard is above and beyond what any game engine currently is capable remotely doing.
Do I think CIG lied to us? Partially. I believe they've been overly optimistic in how fast they could overcome blockers trailblazing a huge project like this, but I also understand that if they came out and said, hey, realistically we're probably five years out from anything being released, I can easily see much of the community not putting the crowd funding needed to get Star Citizen to the point where it was self sufficient and Investors would back them without being able to compromise the project.
It's an interesting crossroads, because I can't see this project succeeding without them believing their own hype and making us want to believe the hype as far as how quickly development could go, because without us, the project would have been dead, so with that in mind, I'm personally alright with them making me wanting to believe in Santa Claus to see the state of things in how they are.
The last four years have been massive leaps in what the game provides and to date, its got more content than many AAA games out if we're being honest.
Should they stop selling ships? I don't think so, no one is forced to buy any, and everyday mobile games have people spending thousands on Gacha's and games like Raid Shadow Legends. People purchase ships for various reasons, and above all else, its a tie into the project and course does keep the lights on to support the work that's going in. I'd personally rather see someone spend a grand on a ship to fund this project than it to go to Generic Korean Gacha company.
Seeing the state of every other AAA Game studio today, and also knowing what happens behind closed doors during development. Most of these mistakes, delays and what not is very typical of normal development, which is mostly hidden behind the curtain until a beta is released.
I'd like to close this post with just mentioning Starfield.
8 Years of Development from one of the biggest names in the industry.
I'm not going to review it, but, anyone who's played it, Its not a bad game perse, but severely lacking for eight years of dev time for what they gave us, and that was from a well established AAA company with an existing engine.
Well he clearly addressed the elephant in the room...especially what everybody from an early backer would be thinking at this point in time. Honestly we won't be around when this game is actually "finished". Out great grandchildren would be definitely lol.
no they will not
this will never be finished
@@SickPrid3 AI and quantum computers will finish it someday.
Early backer here….speak for yourself
@@Shawnsrumi so when do you think it will be finished?
@@ryanmitchell4044 you ask a small man’s question. I can and play it with friends. I can play missions, and have a great time playing right now. I can play this game and use game features that, no man’s sky, and ED don’t have or have straight said the don’t want to implement. I have been playing the game. Finished or not. Go play your “finished” anthem game, But don’t cry and piss your panties over this game when plenty of people enjoy playing the game. you guys look pathetic. Have fun playing you mobile games, red fall, what ever you weirdo’s play with a full diapers.
Yeah Mike, I am the dumb bastard that spent 525 for a Liberator. I saw the picture; I felt the hype, I was excited by the possibilities.
10 years after Star Citizen became a meme of PC gaming, I'm honestly shocked not only at the state of the game, but also that anybody would still pay a cent to these folks. Half a billion dollars and this is what you guys have? Wow, just wow.
I feel bad for people who continue to play SC, but I have a somewhat relatable experience- five years ago, I played Madden Mobile for a 3 year stretch and spent thousands and thousands of dollars before I finally quit and went back to PC gaming, mostly single player RPG shooters like Bethesda titles, Deus Ex, RDR2, Cyberpunk 2077, etc. I only found this content because of Mike's coverage of Starfield Direct.
I often think back at those years of playing Madden Mobile very much as an addict would- I haven't played Madden Mobile for five years now. I've been clean for five years. It's a bad part of my life that I am thankful to have escaped.
Part of what that experience taught me is to learn and recognize some of the exploitive and harmful models that exist in gaming today, and after watching this, I put SC in the same class as EA.
For myself, multiplayer games of any kind have become off limits. It's just too easy to get caught up. That's just me.
Regardless of my preferences, I will freely opine that Chris Robert's is a very predatory business model, and it's absolutely horrifying to witness. This is not what fun looks like. Not at all! Stop being victims of this scam. Good luck to you all.
Im sorry but if you dumped thousands of dollars in to fucking madden mobile you're in no position to say you feel sorry for anyone, especially since when SC works as intended it's actually fun AF. I got a basic $44 package and had fun for at least 100 hours so I had my moneys worth, whether the game is ever finished or not. But cashing out on madden mobile isnt even comparable to pledging to SC pre alpha.
@@whiteobama3032 fair- but we can agree to disagree, I just don't like that business model at all. Glad you had fun, that's what counts!
@@wille769 sure CiG deserves all the criticism for other stuff, but I'd leave the SC community alone since they're pretty cool.
RSI has become a jobs program and never intend to finish.
Mike you are so right about seeing the suffering and frustration others go thru with SC and identifying that experience as a part of your own struggle. It IS hilarious. I can tell this a topic near and dear to you. I don't think I've seen you so mad during a video. "All you fn idiots spending all that money on these jpgs!" Man you had me rolling during this reaction. Thank you for this content gold.
Goodbye, Star Citizen and Squadron 404. I hope Star Field is a better replacement
I am among the first backers from 2013 and I have totally given up on this nonsense.
I stopped giving them my money many years ago as I clearly saw the pattern that was emerging and that is still there.
I totally understand why more and more people call this a scam.
Making more and more concept ships that they sell for insane money to stupid people and delivering extremely little on the gaming side of something that is supposed to be a game.
Instead it has become a market place to sell concept spaceships to suck as much money as possible from people.
I find it hilarious when people call it micro transactions.
Micro transactions for what?
What do you really get when doing these "micro transactions" that are extremely expensive to be called micro transactions anyway?
Buying concept spaceships that you can't even use in a game?
I have a few bridges I can sell you if you are interested.
Hey, if you have the money, I can even sell you the Eiffel Tower if you are interested.
I find it extremely amazing how stupid and gullible people are that are stilling giving them their money when the game in reality is still very far from what has been promised after 10 years of development.
I think people are so extremely invested in this game, both when it comes to money and mentally, that they are totally blind to what is going on and they always look for small shiny glimpses and want to believe and think the best about the game and the developers.
People are so extremely invested in this "game" that they have become utterly stupid and let Roberts Space Industries get away with so extremely much that they would not let other game developers get away with at all.
Most that are still buying ships, trying to play the game and are still waiting for this game to become as promised are in reality members of a cult without having a clue that they are.
The Star Citizen cult is real.
I really don't understand why people waste their time and money on this "game" when there are so many games they can play that are much better than Star Citizen is at this moment.
Just walk away from it and then consider to come back to it if it ever gets released and is a good game then.
Stop being invested in this nonsense till they finally deliver what they have promised 10 years ago, if they ever will.
I can see it already, SomeOrdinaryGamers in
-2024: I Feel Scammed By Star Citizen And I Gave Up On It P.2
-2025: SC is an Unfinished Scam, but I'm having Fun.
-2026: I Gave Up On Star Citizen and I Feel Scammed It
-2027: I'm sort of enjoying this Scam but I hate the Development
-2028: I Feel Scammed By Star Citizen And I Gave Up On It, Again
-2953: star citizen is a scam it’s still unfinished and the future looks nothing like they predicted
-2954: SC is a Scam and Chris Roberts stole all the money to live forever and start a lunar hotel used to fund the development of SQ42. This Is Indeed a Disturbing Universe...
@@Nmyoutube821 -2022: star citizen as alpha scam is the most played, followed, viewed and google space game of the world (excluding bots).
@@seveneternal7988 so? That doesn’t mean that it’s good it just means that we are limited.
If people stop playing your game because you stop developing it…then switch to a game that is developing the game you promised…then that game is bad you clown.
LoL Pay to not win. Next level man
What we thought we are getting is coffee cup in the bush what we got was wrecks blocking hangar exits which are invisible
As soon as I heard about the persistent world thing, this was the first thing that came to my mind. The griefing potential is unlimited. Servers can't handle the game as is, wait until you have people dumping hundreds or thousands of wrecks or scrap or whatever on top of popular areas. There's a reason no other MMO does this. It's a massive waste of resources to implement and maintain and it will ultimately just hurt the game
@@vtubersubs3803its worse than griefing because its unintentional consequence of just playing is even if the debris doesnt cause you direct harm it lags so much that its consistent harm
Half a BILLION! dollars. Not even stable servers at the very least. Look I have some assumptions, one of them is the reason why they're keeping this game in Alpha, especially for this length of time, is because of greed 100% As of right now, selling these ships at these ridiculous prices, is extremely lucrative for them. They are not going to give you the ability to buy a ship in game to permanently keep it and lose their number #1 source of income. Of course not. They damn well know that people wanted them to focus on the PU and FINISH the first batch of ships while adding all the other content as time goes on. Not to put us through a permanent alpha content loop. The sad thing is, they were getting a lot of pressure in the beginning, but over time, it died down. Majority of the original backers don't play as much these days and the complaints don't have the same volume because CIG got a new batch of victims willing to throw money at them because they believe as we did that this game is going to happen soon. Honestly the ONLY remedy for all of this is the No Man's Sky treatment. The player base needs to unite in the forums, phone calls, get the media involved, point out to the media the half a billion dollars that was raised so far and the LITTLE we got for it. Take no excuses and just keep hammering them until they give us SOMETHING! I at this point would prefer server stability, then work on ships, missions, progression, factions ect. I would LOVE to do a trade route and not have the constant fear of a lurking 30k error. Anyways, sorry .. but yeah that is what needs to be done. I don't know if Salt himself or if his connections can help ignite a spark to get this ball rolling. I don't think the people that spent thousands of dollars on those capital pixels could get a refund at this point so I think the media at this point would be our greatest weapon. Unless someone has any better ideas?
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I wasn't around when the 'Apollo medvac' was available in the past and read that it was a limited one time sale.
I got to pick one up at 'Invictus', which was great for me ... but ... it must feel a bit salty to people who had to do effort to be able to get one in the past.
CIG has weird ways of interacting with their customers ... like how they're increasing the price of the 'Drake Cutlass' and 'Avenger' in between two big sales events ... not people who want them need to buy them before the 27th of this month, while also having to go buy the limited ships they already planned on getting during the 'Alien week'.
I don't mind the game being in production for so very long and still long to go; what we've already got is way more complexe and feature filled than any other game out there.
E.g. in what game can you store other vehicles in a vehicle with as only limitation that it can physically fit within the ship? I can't think of any.
No loading screens anywhere and the complete experience is 100% cutscene / flow interruptions free. About no single game offers this at this scale.
A rather successful implementation of FPS and flight simulator, survival, ... .
Physical cargo, events like Jump Town, the set pieces usable by ORG and random players to create their own adventures, ...
...
Most of the stuff is being pioneered by CIG themselves, especially at the scale at which Star Citizen is intended to operate.
I don't think the game will ever be "finished".
Just like any proper MMO, it will continue to receive improvements and extensions, ... .
While Squadron 42 is a big time and resource sink at the moment ... lots of stuff from that work will be implemented in Star Citizen as a whole ... so it isn't lost time.
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There is a long way to go ... it might be more than a decade before we have a significant amount of star systems ... but ... what we've already got today ... is pretty awesome already.
They do constant wipes so that people will pay real money for ships rather than grind over and over. Its quite deliberate.
I think a real game studio will create a Star Citizen type game before CIG gets done. And then most of their backers will run to that finished game, and SC will die.
That is increasingly likely, as the engines become more and more sophisticated, asset generation becomes easier, and tools equivalent or surpassing those CIG have custom built come online. Combine that with AI embedding, and a determined, well run studio will be able to complete a clone of all the best elements of the PU without all the legacy code or bugs, and deploy it rapidly. I almost hope this scenario plays out, because based on their arrogance over the last 18mths, CIG deserve the game to be superseded.
@@Libertas_P77 Asset generation isn't networking backend services nor is it middleware suites. AI can do some things but they can't build DOT libraries from scratch. And someone still has to design an AI to design the middleware.... do you know how long that takes?
@@billywashere6965probably wont take 10 years XD
I've been thinking the exact same thing for several years now. You can already see that since Star Citizens financial success that other projects are getting back to space sims. But doing it with publishers and real checks and balances and deadlines. Only a matter of time until other AAA projects pass SC and erode away at the community that want to play a polished product.
@@DerDrecksack87 It absolutely will, because tech can't build itself out of nothing. It's precisely why there are NO rivals to Structural Blue on the market. It took Lexus 14 years of R&D, and unless another cmopany puts in the work, there won't be any rivals.
Is it only me that understands that what makes a game an actual game is the NPCs, the cutscenes and the interaction with the A.I. in general?
Remove those things from any game and you have......NOTHING.
You have NO GAME.
And that's what SC is for long long long time.
He was talking about both sm+persistence. Not just persistence - but persistence with everyone in the same shard
Man. The recent video you just did reacting to muta again makes this video so much more appreciated
Respawn entertainment started development on Titanfall 1 after this kickstarter. They released two full games, then got sentenced to the live service EA sweatshop dungeon for the past 4 years and this thing is still not a game.
That's all very well said by both you Mike and him. But i will go one step further because, ok, from what we have seen, Star Citizen is dying. We all know / can see that.
But how can we let them get away with this? How is CIG not conducting (or having already conducted) CRIMINAL activity with Star Citizen?
Not only should everyone ask for a refund, not only should everyone abandon ship, but EVERYONE needs to file a lawsuit against CIG.
These people have stolen people's money, claiming that they have been spending that into the development of the game, and really nobody has a real clue to how much of that is actually true...
You said, "they don't have that much money", well Chris has bought yachts and mansions with these money, just because they are saying that they spend it all in the development of the game, doesn't make it true... They are lying and we all know that.
So we need to make the next step. Some people have lost so much money and its 1000 times better if the lives of those people can be saved than to all stay here doing nothing about the Star Citizen cash grab thef.
It didnt happen because:
1. People still play and have fun with this game, the servers are packed and people learned to work around the bugs.
2. CiG actually forseen this galaxy take and preemptively started to publish their yearly spendings to prove that all this money goes to the actuall game development, and yeah, it looks pretty clean.
It would be hard since Star Citizen isn't really a scam, its just a overly ambitious feature creep project. Worst that people could accuse them of is mismanaging it.
I really fucking hate "fun with friends" as a defense. Anything is more fun with friends, that doesn't point towards the quality activity itself, but to the quality of your friends!
This video is gold, need to watch it every time i get the "urge" of buying a new ship :D
"We got him... He is part of the cult everybody" - I laughed out so loud that my PC 30kd.
No new money to CIG. I've spent enough over the years and I don't even play anymore. Usually because the game is so broken you CAN'T play. =P
It's one thing to jump into an alpha and troubleshoot and submit bug reports. It's something else to raise your blood pressure to the boiling point on a regular basis.
Same: they didn’t get a penny of new money from me, and I can’t see that changing while the game is in such a completely unplayable, awful state that just makes time in the PU an unenjoyable experience.
I don't think Henry cavil would have acted in it if it was a scam. I think they are trying there best
the sand worm video is what took my money… i am still salty about it
For the person asking to define progress in game: You unlocked a new level with SaltEMike. Almost reached Black Hole level. Wow, that happens rare. Progression people!!
"It's not your average mmo" No it's not, it doesn't have 1/10th the content of the average or even below average MMO. Crazy how people like this can ALMOST see how shit SC is but still fall for the marketing bullshit and talk like it has all this depth that just simply doesn't exist.
Last time I jumped in -- maybe 1.5 years ago -- none of the NPCs did anything and most were standing on top of chairs. I couldn't believe it was still in that state after so many years.
i am from the future, they showed the game they are working on, and it is feature complete. Squadron 42 is done, just needs polish and bug fixes. So they also showed a TON of stuff for star citizen. For the amount of work this game has had, its really quite crazy how many people say it is a scam, when with the scale, they knew the game would take ages to complete when they invested. The scale in general is crazy, not even going to talk about how they had to build the engine almost from scrap, and also write dialog, write scripts for literally everything from opening doors to NPC routes ACROSS A GALAXY. People who call this a scam have zero idea how to make a game and what it entails.
We should be able to select a default server and the system tries to connect you to that server every time. If the server is unavailable then flash a warning and ask if you want to try the next available server. You can regulate the number of people that can set that server as default to limit the number of people on it.
Hear hear. I miss the good old days when most multi-player games have a server list.
@@karmabad6287 I guess we have the default location. LOL. Fun fact, the word "Shard" comes from Ultima Online. Each server was called a shard because the Lord of Chaos broke the crystal ball of the UO universe into shards and you were to chose which one you wanted to be on.
Basic for other games
@@karmabad6287most do. like ark and dayz and most survival games...if you mean games like COD...maybe you shouldn't play SC as its not what you want lol
Just tried to log on after rage quiting last night. Logged woke up in a bed and fell outside the station into space. Yep. I'll check back in for 3.20.
The value of buying a ship comes from the fact that your money is going to make something that you want.
Comparatively, spending $100++ on a game that’s already out can only ever provide the current experience it has to offer.
People’s expectations set by CIG’s marketing and general communication, increases the perceived value of the ships.
As someone who is not invested into star citizen (with money), I always thought that "buying a ship" is equivalent to "I fund X amount of money for the development and in return I get a goody for participation". Well CIG is abusing the ship selling strategy for their funding but this only works because so many people lost track about what they are doing with their money.
The other thing is, if you "buy" every ship you want to play with real money, what bigger goal is left to play the game in the long run? If CIG doesn't add in game goals other than space ships/ vehicles, whales won't have much to do after soft release of star citizen.
@@exohunter1902That's not an issue because there will never be an actual release. Why would they do that when they're making money hand over fist just by selling the promise of ships?
At 6:50 & 7:03 you nailed it, hahaha. I feel for the hard-core backers. And so early in your video hahaha.
😂 yes
You agree with your own opinions 😂
😂😂😂
Muta and Mike. Never thought I'd see this crossover.
"FML" when he started on SQ42 got me and then you walked out hahaha!
I certainly don't think it's a scam, but it is probably the most mismanaged project I've seen. I can't get mad at someone who gives up. They love the idea of the game so much and want it to happen so badly so they end up becoming so damn critical of it. It's fine.
This.
@@Luciphell I certainly can't defend CIG anymore. I loved this game, I spent a solid amount of money on it because I wanted to make it happen. I'm not going to participate in funding the project anymore until it's at least in BETA. I've contemplated selling my pledges before.
Exactly, I had to stop when he got to the positive point in SOG's video because he said shit like so what about the higher level missions, you don't get anything except a cool ship and okay any other game..
Like I do okay other games, this game lets me be a pilot in my favorite unique ships will all the audio, detail, and scale that I'm amazed by every time.
That's all I want out of a game but fuck me for liking it I guess lol. If SC fixed all stability issues and released tomorrow personally I wouldn't be pissed even though I've spent a few hindered dollars, but it's because I understood what I was getting into and didn't get mad at the past, so I understand where he's coming from by damn he repeatedly just bashes his own community, apparently as well as any opinion he doesn't agree with or fully understand...
Mismanaged how? Seriously, what other software company out there has made three new pieces of middleware from the ground up in eight years? Not ONE company in the history of software engineering has done that, yet you call that mismanaged? What does that make every other software studio out there that has not been able to accomplish that same feat within the same time frame?
@@billywashere6965 Complex ≠ Well Managed. If they were well-managed we wouldn't have ships that are 7 years out still not released (Pieces) and the issues we have would've been the sole focus until fixed and a small team to continue updating the module indefinitely - stuff like that, but instead what we have are 100 different modules being developed individually and then they have to make it fit into the main game.
Their approach and workflow is mismanaged because they're moving so fast. Half a billion dollars should at least make the game stable.. I joined at the end of 3.17 and I've only had 3 months where I remember playing the game with a community, past that it's just been bugs since 3.18 and only gotten worse. Almost a year... That's not well-managed.
Around 58:00 you can’t really say it any better. We all aren’t happy but we’re addicted to it’s idea. That’s probably the most cult thing about this game.
I agree, we're addicted to the idea - we stick to the dream of it happening as a full game. I'm starting to lose it now :(
Good thing starfields coming out in 2 months
I paid the big bucks for the Cutlass when it was announced. Then everything I bought it for was stripped and put in it's varients I'd have to buy seperately. No docking collar for aggressive sales pitches, no modular cargo bay to install bounty pods or a medbed, it doesn't even have an armor locker or a TOILET. The interior is actually pretty terrible, they could fit so much more in that cockpit area without having to interfere with the cargo bay or make the ship bigger. I used to think the Cutlass was cool. Now I hate it and I'm angry every time I fly it. I bought the concept and got burned.
The varients are getting out of hand too. Taking a 2man fighter with a turret and just making the co-pilot have a single button to press but the pilot can't do it so instead of taking the turret off and having a one person fighter varient, they kept it 2 person where the second person has nothing to do most of the time and the pilot can't use it's main feature without convincing someone to waste their day sitting behind them doing nothing until that button needs pressing.
Star Citizen is the abusive girlfriend and we are her "simps" lol We just keep taking abuse, keep making excuses and live for the small moments she give us a little love....sad.
I'm probably in the minority here but I feel like star citizen has delivered more in the last 6 months then they have in the last year or two. It really feels like all the work on these underlying systems where we saw no tangible benefit are starting to bear fruit. PES (yes it has issues but it's finally in game), soft death, (planned for years), salvage (a whole new career path in the works for years), fully supported race tracks (another new career path), mining 2.0, now a complete overhaul of AC and star marine just to name a few of the highlights. I honestly can't complain when they are delivering things at this pace. I feel like we're turning a corner in the development of this game.
You sound like so many other people have for the last 6-8 years.
"I feel like they doing great progress now and soon we will have the game we have waited for"
"They have really turned a corner now"
"Everything has ramped up now and they seem to be in the finishing stages of the development"
I am among the first backers in 2013 and I am not trusting anything or believing anything anymore.
I have given up on them and will take it as a pleasant shock if they ever release a complete game that is good and works well.
This video should be a must watch guide for everyone tempting to buy this game
"Create a new life"? No progression, no bases, no...
Spot on Mike. Good commentary. Agreed 👍
I do however always want more ships, because , lot's of ships😁...I just want CIG to not dumb them down and make them generic.
If people want to pay too much and take a $1500 ego bath, go bananas. Wales are gonna' Whale
More for the Pirates if Piracy isn't made useless in 3.23 😉
CiG should be ashamed of themselves. The server stability is pathetic. It's the main concern of those that play. It's why they aren't raking in as much money as the years passed yet the game gains features.
There's a reason our Org has the name "Financially Irresponsible".
I love that RockStar Games example at 36:45, I mean, they've moved a ton of vehicles into a shop that is locked behind their subscription service, yes even already available vehicles have been moved, and now a "bug" appeared that vehicle insurance is not entirely working, but if you lose the vehicle you owned in the game, you get it refunded, but these refunds have to be done individually, so it'll take a lot of time... oh and if it is a vehicle that is now locked behind the subscription and you want that vehicle back, you have to get the subscription first.
R* is honestly on a fully different level when it comes to crappy developer behavior towards their own playerbase.
Yeah, R* have become disgusting in every way...
My first PIS experience was landing at a landing pad of a planet that was full of broken vehicles
22:28 hahahah" bro can you get a fridge from the beer look."
I am guilty of spending $3000+ on this game. I stopped counting at $3000 and avoid the billing page at all costs to see my total.
As much as it's funny to shit on SC and stuff, I actually like the life-y aspect. I've always wanted a kind of, space-life simulator. I mean, I'll never be alive for when this shit becomes real so...a game would be great.
That's the dream CIG is milking. Lots of people who stick with SC is hoping for a space-life simulator. But it's clear CIG can't deliver it, maybe because of their own incompetency or maybe because CR's incompetency.
Chris might be a visionary, but that doesn't mean he has the proper ability to make it come true.
If it weren't for Microsoft, he probably couldn't even release a single game. Because tech moves fast and he is constantly busy with remaking stuff or aiming for bigger.
At some point you need to be realistic, make a decision, cut some stuff out or find an easier way to do things. And obviously, you need to either release or make significant progress.
CR / CIG isn't making any progress. They are circling around the same thing for the past couple years now. Even when they add a little bit of content, you see other content getting pulled away. It's over now.
The impaitient "Press 'A' to win" crowd..
This is soo true. I love the down to earth nature of mike because what he says is the truth and the truth hurts.
The game is pretty bad right now and you dont need to pay any money to experience it, just sign up to any free fly and you can see for yourself.
Now before you all call me a hater, please understand that im a Space Marshall backer since the beginning of the concept... I PAY... Hard for this game, so that one day, we all get to play, its been my mentallity for the longest time. But the truth of the matter is that other companies are catching up fast, and soon will exceed Star Citizen. Hell i think even Todd Howard might even have his sight set on Multiplayer for Starfield in the future, it's crazy to think that he wont, giving up this mega opportunity???
Anyways, without the gameplay that im promised, im still waiting for my ships, CIG, please answer a few where is question below:
Where is my Idris?
Where is my kraken?
Where is my Perseus?
Where is my Banu Merchantman?
Where is my Orion?
Where is my Liberator?
Where is my Starliner?
Where is my Railen?
Where is my Squadron 42?
Where is the game you promised back in 2013?
Where is the love for those who backed you? Those that backed the ideas of the ships you promised above?
I genuinely pledged for ALL those ships on the list, so yeah... I think i have the right to ask and at times be a little cranky at where the game is headed.
But no more, my latest pledge is the constellation... That is the constellation edition of Starfield. At least they are giving me a real god damn watch....
CIG's marketing team uses every dirty trick they can.
Its lead by Chris Roberts wife Sandy.
@@mayoluck and...? Why would that make any difference to my statement?
@@Dracounguis it explains why they use every trick in the book. The apple doesnt fall far from the tree, and why it will never change for the better.
The technology would be great for a Medieval open world. One planet with open seas and lots of interaction.
How I find SC after playing it and no other game and not wanting to for over 3 years.
Is like yesterday I did a Orison multiple repel mission but after landing my 135 on what thought was a glass roof fell through it and i did not stop there.
I finished off the bady's in that location than asked in chat for someone to pick me up so I could jump on top of my ship to get in it to collect all there armour and guns and what they had in there armour.
I had to share the Misson and make a party invite then I paid him 50k.
Then completed my second part of the mission then went back to base and off loaded all that stuff.
My point that could gone really badly like I could of been robbed of all my stuff so just because there are same missions they can and do go multiple different ways.
That is what keeps me interested in it.
For a game with so little content it makes no sense that it runs so badly.
So little content? Yeah the server has to simulate just a solar system for 100 players. Whats the big deal.
@@Bala2289 The servers synchronize actions between players, they don't simulate anything outside of that.
@@GhostOfSnuffles the servers do simulate all of entities logic and game code , including all players interactions (ex when a player open a door it has to be handled by server) , AI simulations and interactions , physics grid calculations, animations streaming
Alongside simulating for now it also handle the load/unload of all of the dynamic entities states of the game into its memory
No don't correct yourself on space medic gameplay. there is no "Little bit more" it is 100% point space magic gun at space dead guy, "do space medicine" end of loop. All that extra fiddly shit you can do with settings and specific medicines and whatnot.. POINTLESS. I have never, EVER used anything but red med pens, and green space med guns on default settings and I have done HUNDREDS of rescues. All that other shit is worthless fluff.
The whole focus of this video was wrong. CIG cant bring all this stuff out, just because the tec is not ready. That simple. 200 ships? half baked gameplay loops? just one planet system? S42 feature complete? The tec behind all this is not finished! Even if EA would come and say release it now! No chance...
They want to put 100 systems in the game. If they massively accelerate development of these systems and manage to get 1 per year... that's still 100 years to reach that goal. And in 10 years of development we still only have 1 system. If they pull off a miracle and get 1 system every quarter, that's still 25 years to fill out the universe.
Even as someone who only recently bought in and doesn't play a lot, I can see there is no progression in this game. There are lots of primary gameplay loops such as mining, fps combat, ship combat, etc, and that's pretty cool. Aside from that, the only other loop is the long-term one of buying new ships (which you can macrotransaction your way out of), and it has big limitations in that not every player wants or can even use even half of the ships that exist, and it only requires money. Once you buy the ship you want, you've won the game.
A really good primary gameplay loop that doesn't accomplish anything other than number go up is fine (see every arcade game ever), but it doesn't have very long-lasting appeal to any but the most dedicated (again see every arcade game ever).
If you want to make an MMO meant to be played forever, those primary gameplay loops need to feed secondary and tertiary gameplay loops that only those primary loops can give access to. For example, bunker missions could increase your mercenary rating and grant access to higher risk, larger, more complex FPS combat missions. You could earn access to specialized equipment. You could side with a faction and earn stuff related to FPS gameplay from them. The result is more variety in your chosen profession, doled out slowly throughout your career.
I'm really enjoying some of the basic gameplay right now, can't really get it anywhere else, but I have to do a lot of roleplay and pretending to give it purpose and that just can't last forever. I figure I bought a 45$ lifetime arcade pass and I'm happy with that, but I do hope that it'll turn into a full game in the future.
Sad but true...let the copium flow
Its the dream game if they can pull it off, but the tech hurdles are extreme....
Their Free-Fly events are absolute f'n marketing disasters.
Always keep telling us about that Mole and the awesome quant rock, when persistence actually, truly works, which is quite rare, it works well, and is amazing. It would just be more amazing if it worked like that all the time, every time
My biggest issue with SC is TIME. No I don't want to wait 5 min to 1HR for a ship to spawn.. No I don't want to wait 15 to 30 min traveling to a destination. Then they decide to make you wait Longer for a ship to spawn and that Time waist is what has made me stop playing. The only thing they have Decreased is My patience with the Game. So I'll probably return in Patch 6.24abcd
Were not braindead were just in too deep to back down 😂
I laughed my ass off when I redownloaded and tried logging back in back in 3.18…
And not about 2 weeks later, I’ve sunk in about an additional 25? Bucks into it to upgrade my pledge from a GIFTED MUSTANG A To a pledge valued at 80 fkin dollars 😭 and I’m still holding myself back from upping it AGAIN for the Cutty Black 😭😭😭😭
I remember being infatuated with this *cough* *cough* “game” *cough* when I was 13 years old. I am grateful that I didn’t have a PC or a credit card at the time because now I would be bankrupt and vastly disappointed. It’s a shame that grown men can fall for the same trick a 13 year old does. Someone needs to get the FTC on this now, or the “game” will never release.
I'm fairly certain, that there are Legatus backers, who only have a couple of hundred or even zero net outlay in the game... Since there always remains some risk, I didn't feel like going that far, but you CAN get your ships like Dire Straights: Money for nothing and your ships for free :D
I’m fucking done. At this time other streamers are talking about hype for citcon. Which is ridiculous because they try to force a hype. I’m asking what hype? Citcon where they can tell me for the 10th time that Pyro‘s around the corner? Fuck me…
I was saying this back in 2020 and got hate for it from players in game and even twitch streamers say “don’t play if you don’t like it”
So I took 2 years off and came back a month ago
2020? I remember back in *2015* I'd get flamed for suggesting we wouldn't get Squadron 42 anytime soon. The die-hard fans always move the goal-post.
Even after all these years of SC it still cant perform that's all one needs to know. Nothing works cause everything SC is broken
This game is really a love and hate relationship.
Ladies and gentlemen I think he's definitely correct that this game appears as if it will be a perpetual alpha. The game is effectively in a coma and being kept on life support with no telling if it will ever wakeup.
squadron 404.... muta came up with a gem there
This actually makes sense as far as the shards for the servers and server meshing - what are the chances that the reason there are 400 NPC's on the delivery mission objectives is the attempts at the servers to replicate appropriately across the servers.
They might actually be closer to fixing this than we might believe.
They are certainly working on it. When salty Mike says he don´t believe they are trying to build a game anymore, but trying to build a gaming platform technology. That's when i stop watching his videos. Wel watch less of them and pick other content creators.
I think saying that the tech is working is totally wrong.
Small parts of the tech is working, but the whole tech is not working as intended or wanted at all.
When even the smallest parts of the tech makes the game crash, crash and crash again, it is totally wrong to say that the tech is working.
And how well are these tiny parts of the tech really working, if they are working at all?
People get to caught up in and lured by the shock they get when they experience the smallest glimpse of something that might be an indication of a tech they are hoping/waiting for, that they think it is working much better than it in reality is, if it is even working at any level at all.
Just because you spawn back to exactly how it was before a crash, it doesn't mean that it is working at all.
If another player that was not on that server before it crashed, but spawn into that server after the crash, goes to that mining site before you spawn back and find it exactly how you left it when the server crashed, then that is an indication the tech is working as intended.
You spawning back into the game after a crash and find it exactly as it was right before the crash, can be an indication of very frequent server saves and not more than that at all.
I never thought Id say this in a million years, but Mutahar is absolutely correct when saying that this game needs a corporate hand. It is indeed, that rare case when something this ambitious needs a "Lex Luther" if we all want this dream to come true.
this game along with Duke Nukem Forever should have taught us that no matter how much deadlines and PM’s frustrate us, they are necessary to actually get a finished game.
I am a misanthrope and Star Citizen confirms my world view
You know at this point I just believe that Star Citizen is actually a finished game and Chris Roberts is just milking the absolute living f@#$ out of the player base with purchasable ships and calling it a day.
Definitely not finished lmao are you talking about the same game lol
@@humanbeing3368 Sounds like someone's never heard of sarcasm before.
Just for some context, CSGO daggers skins sell for $150,000.
That’s 150 thousand dollars ladies and gentlemen
I really believe they are laundering money. Aint no way ppl are spending this kind of money to play this game with very little content of a unfinished game.
"very little content"
i was amazed at the same thing with world of warships. people were paying 80 bucks american for a tirpitz, but the bismarck you can get for free. [they're the same ship] but people kept buying their stupid ships.
The United States is the most successful crowd funded game to date. :D
Pay to win too
The graphics are good but the NPC's are irredeemably stupid.
@@GhostOfSnuffles Especially the ones who put in the current sitting puppet.
You mean the world is the most crowdfunded game by America to date.
Right on target. I started playing May 1st and on May 21st I logged out in a rented ROC. I haven't been able to get into the game since due to Player Unstowed, infinite loading error 30018. This was my response to a letter from a customer rep:
Thank you for your efforts to resolve my issues. I am aware many others are having the same bugs. I opened a free fly account to continue playing, but it developed a situation where my mouse will not interact with my door opening in the starter room or removing my helmet to drink/eat. I believe this game has so much potential and I do so much want to enjoy playing. For now I am back playing Skyrim and occasionally checking in to see if I can enter Star Citizen.
You can literally just go into Arena Commander and then crash a few times and then go back into the PU. It takes up to three to five minutes but it will eventually reset your character.
@@billywashere6965 Tried that several times, tried star marine, character reset tried 5 times tried all work arounds. None worked. There are 500+ of us with this problem and no work around helps.
Actual cult and I would know, too real, this hurts. Most accurate commentary that I have heard from SaltEMike
The cult of not having the same view as you on a video game?
@@oneshotrobb7272 the cult of belittleing people who disagree with them.
@@DerDrecksack87 ohh you mean like calling them simps, dick riders, and fanboys? Yeah that shit is wild.
@@oneshotrobb7272 The cult of going as if making even a small complaint about SC is like insulting their immediate family. The cult that tells you to shut up complaining about the game in global chat and take it to the forums. Just for people to belittle you or simply do what I mentioned in the first sentence. You're a fan of the game? That's amazing, but getting way too emotional over people pointing out the flaws and annoyance and wanting everyone to praise it like it's the best thing ever is very cult like.
@@holy8782 do you see how that could be applied to the people spamming forums and chats about how they dislike a game they can’t stop playing? Almost like there are unreasonable people on both sides.
Sunk cost fallacy
love how he pretty much always calls everyone braindead in every video lol
there is certainly ship and career progression for those of us rolling out starters every wipe. you are right about wales not having any purpose for auec but zero to hero runs after wipes certainly has months worth of progression
Right? The gameplay itself is the reward for most of us. It's the people that are always parsing how much aeuc they can make in the shortest amount of time that have the problem. They are gonna get REAL bored if the game ever hits 1.0
@@Luciphell I dont think you can really say most of us.
@@herdnkittens
Oh sorry. When I say most of us, I mean those of us who are in for the dream game from the beginning. Not "all in with our wallets".
The gameplay has always been the star. Not how much uec you can make per hour doing a certain task. If you have to have a major goal to accomplish in a sandbox MMO to enjoy the game, this game just may not be for you. If you are one of those who were there from the beginning I do not speak for? Well, sucks to be you. Maybe you can come back when it's in a more finished state?
@@Luciphell Why would I get bored from having a lot of money and ships? Means I get to do what I actually want to do rather than grind up to the next ship.
I’ve been a backer since 2017 and i believe the star is the scale, attention to detail, and aesthetics. The gameplay has never been the star. The beauty in bunkers is the the detailing of every little object and not just textured like other games. But, the AI is atrocious and has barely changed since 3.14. People are able to run bunkers with knives. It’s a bit sad.
I do take very consistent breaks bc it needs massive polish. Prior to 3.18 I hadn’t played since 3.14 which was around 2021. And I’m kind of on a break again now bc it’s still in a very buggy state imo. But I do enjoy it periodically and I do hope one day they’ll release both squadron 42 and Star Citizen.
But my point was more that this entire comment section is very polarized. So you cant say most of us bc most of us have mixed thoughts on this.
To be fair, SQ42 releases monthly updates, bar any new vertical slices... idk why muta thinks that the last update was 5 years ago
been trying my hardest to get into the game and like it but its sooo hard with all the bugs and or glitches that keep making you die or have to restart the game or log on once and find all your stuff is gone {no wipe} but im still trying i really do need to find a person or two i vibe with to play tho i feel as after about 3 days solo is getting extremely boring
@15:15 You can avoid your ship blowing away if you park in the direction the wind is blowing. (Your ship blowing away is actually a feature)
I just turn my thrusters off and my ship doesn’t blow away. Leave them on, especially VTOL, then it’ll blow away.