25 years ago, wandering in a bookstore, I picked up Brian Greene's book Elegant Universe on a whim. It was life-changing, opening the floodgates of curiosity to understand the nature of... well, Nature.
Good evening Brian and Benjamin Seems we can be walking talking contradictions of reasonable madness, indeed. Loved this. Thank you kindly for this beautiful although short, shared conversation. 💜
What the heck is this conversation about!? If someone can translate into anything sensible in any language apart from gibberish, they deserve a Nobel Prize! No!?? 🙃🙂👍
BG really showing his range here. Saw a lot of comments that were shady but this conversation is really what we need in the age of AI! We’re gonna have to get closer to what makes us human.
I wish I hadn't missed the stream while it was live. There are points I really like and points I really dislike. It would have been fun to scream about them in the chat.
I will listen to the entire discussion. With that in mind and early on in this recent WSF discussion, what compels me to comment is that my little mind feels like it has consumed an edible or two due to the experiences of gently grasping upon the tendrils of Benjamin Labatut's numerous ebbing and flowing thoughts. Not quite certain where their thoughts are heading towards. Yet, it is a "trip". [The last line is said in my best Easy Rider-esque vocal inflection] 🌸
Nope. Nope. Half way through and that is about all that I can take. These categories of conversations are fine at a pub after that one extra pint than I ought not to have had or while enjoying some mind altering substances. Benjamin's meanderings take away from the integrity, innovation, and passion that many scientists possess and/or cultivate while helping us all to better understand how things work. As far as I can tell, Benjamin is a professional belittler. World's smartest mind? Or, a mind which may have skipped the micro in microdosing and went full on dosing. 🍄Oops. I, too, am susceptible to belittling. Forgive me. 🤗
I liked this segway into this artists view. Also it just happened to be the case I had just decided to buy two of his books on amazon an hour before this came online happemstance. So nice coincidence
I opine that technologies will allow us to delve deeper into the complexities of space/time aspected from a perspective of travel. Maybe we'll develop unity to achieve this. The inevitability is that at some point we are, as a species, going to have to vacate this particular planet and should make a conscious to consider the species who cannot. The very consciousness that is being saught that is realised into a form of existance should ,maybe, be introspective from millions of years of stimuli ,trial and error, selective traits, missing lineages that did not succeed that reinforced those that did. Maybe the molecular side of biological sciences is where we should be seeking these ideals . Not universal forces that become more and more elusive the deeper we delve. Consciousness is it's own animal, spawned from the necessity of a primal instinct to survive and interact (phenotypicaly....sub concious).....with the environment that it is subjected to. Has phenotypical interaction ever been discovered in all of our probes and experiments with outer space. Order in chaos is quite removed.
I love that Eric and his equally as lacking in any meaningful integrity accomplices felt that it was necessary to create a safe space for himself and for others called the "Intellectual Dark Web". We do live in colourful times. Yup. Yup.
This pain is the burden of consciousness, it is seeing within the depths of history the vastness of stupidity and its propensity for self-destruction. The perpetual challenge is to keep the chaos at bay so that we have the time to address the next crisis.
Definitely a Nietzsche idea... The more, higher, conscious the living BEING is, the heavier the burden... also its only real blessing; if one chooses to use it and bear it happily in the eternal overcoming of life.
@@cbarcus ""...seeing within the depths of history the vastness of stupidity and its propensity for self-destruction."" mmm... I think those are the ones with the LOWEST consciousness, not high awareness. Brutal beings. The higher consciousness the more you integrate all things into one whole interdependent unit, all connected. That is if consciousness has levels or lives within a long spectrum, the consciousness of a dog, a dolphin, a tree [if it can even be called that], and a low intelligence(?) human being.
@@ggrthemostgodless8713 It is knowing what an epidemic of stupidity will bring and watching it unfold, which requires an awareness of events and the consequences of the decisions being made. There are multiple working definitions of consciousness, and here I am drawing upon the psychologists Julian Jaynes and Boris Sidis.
Life is a river that flows in the ever constant and present moment, the stream of now and is missed and goes by as unseen for anyone who's paradox and complexity of life is themselves. To find the flow we lose ourselves and when find ourselves we lose the flow 🙂
Everything that we know today is by all that lives, has lived and contributed from time recorded, the world greatest mind is the mind of the world itself..💙✨🙏
Dude, how are they not saying the right thing here when they were so close and danced right around it with the Godel references and even recursion! It's not reason or rationality that dances with madness and paradox, but self awareness or self reference as we understand it in the "logical" sense right...that's what Godel showed through Russells paradox and the diagonal proof that self reference is what leads to paradox and thus to be self referential, or self aware as most people understand it, is to be inherently paradoxical, not logic or reason....I mean this is kind of a big miss on this guys part me thinks and tied to logic and reason, but completely tied to consciousness and self awareness and can't believe even Brian missed with all his Godel's references...sorry, but this is wrong and a misinterpretation of what Godel did in actually proving the limits of math, that it was self referential in an almost logicist's type tradition and that could be a construction problem on our parts as self referential/conscious beings, so thus our construction of almost any extension of ourselves will have that baked in...so will these AI's of course...as long as we're the ones building these things, but self replication /improvement is coming and then all bets are off!😉
All things living consume, even plants, to live is to consume. What is important is to respect all life, for as one lives the trees and animals live too. To use one to serve the vanity of the other is not healthy.
25 years ago, wandering in a bookstore, I picked up Brian Greene's book Elegant Universe on a whim. It was life-changing, opening the floodgates of curiosity to understand the nature of... well, Nature.
Outstanding book! Also have a look at Duane Elgin’s The Living Universe too!
@@GregoryHGarrison Thanks for the recommendation!
If only its proposed truths re nature were correct (or verifiable).
Benjamin was a bit difficult to follow initially, but, best takeaway of this interview was when he stated "nobody reasons themselves to Love"
Good evening Brian and Benjamin
Seems we can be walking talking contradictions of reasonable madness, indeed. Loved this.
Thank you kindly for this beautiful although short, shared conversation.
💜
I love Labatut's novels. Looking forward to watching this later.
Great job Benjamín thank you Brian 👍
I love Open Mind conversations!
Thank you!
What the heck is this conversation about!? If someone can translate into anything sensible in any language apart from gibberish, they deserve a Nobel Prize! No!?? 🙃🙂👍
Put it on if you need a nap.
Indeed. Benjamin was a bit difficult to follow initially, but, best takeaway of this interview was when he stated "nobody reasons themselves to Love"
Yes, you can major in Psychology in either the faculty of Arts or the faculty of Sciences.
BG really showing his range here. Saw a lot of comments that were shady but this conversation is really what we need in the age of AI! We’re gonna have to get closer to what makes us human.
I wish I hadn't missed the stream while it was live. There are points I really like and points I really dislike. It would have been fun to scream about them in the chat.
I will listen to the entire discussion. With that in mind and early on in this recent WSF discussion, what compels me to comment is that my little mind feels like it has consumed an edible or two due to the experiences of gently grasping upon the tendrils of Benjamin Labatut's numerous ebbing and flowing thoughts. Not quite certain where their thoughts are heading towards.
Yet, it is a "trip". [The last line is said in my best Easy Rider-esque vocal inflection] 🌸
Nope. Nope. Half way through and that is about all that I can take. These categories of conversations are fine at a pub after that one extra pint than I ought not to have had or while enjoying some mind altering substances. Benjamin's meanderings take away from the integrity, innovation, and passion that many scientists possess and/or cultivate while helping us all to better understand how things work. As far as I can tell, Benjamin is a professional belittler. World's smartest mind? Or, a mind which may have skipped the micro in microdosing and went full on dosing. 🍄Oops. I, too, am susceptible to belittling. Forgive me. 🤗
He’s a bit much…and so very humble.
I tried.
On to the next.
Brian green rules! 📡✊
This was really great. Nice to see something different on here.
Obfuscation as career.
I am half way through and needed to share that I agree with your comment.
Yes.
It feels like Brian Greene is having a middle-age crisis.
Excellent. Much was said, most don’t see it. Thank you for posting Peace
So amazing creativity you can only be touched by the Divine...
Is that a childhood photo of Chris Langan?
I know one Langan who teaches Gibberis for free.
@@Teddy_Miljard_Genius_Work I Want to see that guy take an IQ test in front of everybody, see what's up.
Trump U. drop out, lol
If these talks on AI are anything to go by, AI is going to make us duller.
I greatly enjoyed this. Thank you very much.
Von Neumann was dead wrong (which he later admitted to) about his QM interpretation in his namesake lol.
what i take away from this video: waving with glasses makes you look smart
I liked this segway into this artists view. Also it just happened to be the case I had just decided to buy two of his books on amazon an hour before this came online happemstance. So nice coincidence
Meaning for humans is connection and connection also in particular to other humans sometimes reality
It reminds me of Neil Tyson
How the t did he ever get a phd
Phoenix A*... why u so hungries
Sad that god didn't see it fitting to give Von Neumann eternal life on earth. Thus is the capriciousness of all gods, and holy men.
I opine that technologies will allow us to delve deeper into the complexities of space/time aspected from a perspective of travel. Maybe we'll develop unity to achieve this. The inevitability is that at some point we are, as a species, going to have to vacate this particular planet and should make a conscious to consider the species who cannot.
The very consciousness that is being saught that is realised into a form of existance should ,maybe, be introspective from millions of years of stimuli ,trial and error, selective traits, missing lineages that did not succeed that reinforced those that did. Maybe the molecular side of biological sciences is where we should be seeking these ideals . Not universal forces that become more and more elusive the deeper we delve. Consciousness is it's own animal, spawned from the necessity of a primal instinct to survive and interact (phenotypicaly....sub concious).....with the environment that it is subjected to. Has phenotypical interaction ever been discovered in all of our probes and experiments with outer space. Order in chaos is quite removed.
Eric Weinstein is a crybaby...
I love that Eric and his equally as lacking in any meaningful integrity accomplices felt that it was necessary to create a safe space for himself and for others called the "Intellectual Dark Web". We do live in colourful times. Yup. Yup.
Haven't watched the entirety, so why is EW mentioned, is it because of the similarity in physiognomy ?
Fizzy Edged!
Viendo esto después del trabajo desde Puerto Montt, Chile! 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Desde el norte de Mexico!! Saludos Chile.
I donr get how they'd have no time to them if the materials they reside in wear out and break down as humans do
Neural networks but the mind is a type of monster
This pain is the burden of consciousness, it is seeing within the depths of history the vastness of stupidity and its propensity for self-destruction. The perpetual challenge is to keep the chaos at bay so that we have the time to address the next crisis.
Definitely a Nietzsche idea... The more, higher, conscious the living BEING is, the heavier the burden... also its only real blessing; if one chooses to use it and bear it happily in the eternal overcoming of life.
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I am thinking both of the tragedies of the 1930s that brought us WW2, and recent geopolitical events that are promising far worse.
@@cbarcus
""...seeing within the depths of history the vastness of stupidity and its propensity for self-destruction.""
mmm... I think those are the ones with the LOWEST consciousness, not high awareness. Brutal beings. The higher consciousness the more you integrate all things into one whole interdependent unit, all connected. That is if consciousness has levels or lives within a long spectrum, the consciousness of a dog, a dolphin, a tree [if it can even be called that], and a low intelligence(?) human being.
@@ggrthemostgodless8713
It is knowing what an epidemic of stupidity will bring and watching it unfold, which requires an awareness of events and the consequences of the decisions being made. There are multiple working definitions of consciousness, and here I am drawing upon the psychologists Julian Jaynes and Boris Sidis.
Life is a river that flows in the ever constant and present moment, the stream of now and is missed and goes by as unseen for anyone who's paradox and complexity of life is themselves. To find the flow we lose ourselves and when find ourselves we lose the flow 🙂
AI is a nice conversation partner....but not yet smarter than a 140 iq creative individual. But give it a month...
Drop everything, new WSF dropped
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Everything that we know today is by all that lives, has lived and contributed from time recorded, the world greatest mind is the mind of the world itself..💙✨🙏
This feels like hipster gateway drug to an unhelpful mindset.
I am here, or not?
terrible translation
Dude, how are they not saying the right thing here when they were so close and danced right around it with the Godel references and even recursion! It's not reason or rationality that dances with madness and paradox, but self awareness or self reference as we understand it in the "logical" sense right...that's what Godel showed through Russells paradox and the diagonal proof that self reference is what leads to paradox and thus to be self referential, or self aware as most people understand it, is to be inherently paradoxical, not logic or reason....I mean this is kind of a big miss on this guys part me thinks and tied to logic and reason, but completely tied to consciousness and self awareness and can't believe even Brian missed with all his Godel's references...sorry, but this is wrong and a misinterpretation of what Godel did in actually proving the limits of math, that it was self referential in an almost logicist's type tradition and that could be a construction problem on our parts as self referential/conscious beings, so thus our construction of almost any extension of ourselves will have that baked in...so will these AI's of course...as long as we're the ones building these things, but self replication /improvement is coming and then all bets are off!😉
All types of mythology and superstitions like religions are nonsense we should confort each other
Very well spoken and good thoughts, but I deeply disagree: if anything, the world desperately requires much greater rationality.
How do measure mind sharpness?
Absolute nonsense title
And be kind to all animals including humans remember all want to live and don't want to suffer and so be vegan
Nothing to do with this
All things living consume, even plants, to live is to consume. What is important is to respect all life, for as one lives the trees and animals live too. To use one to serve the vanity of the other is not healthy.
@@G0nxsf but all animals including humans have a brain and want to live and don't want to suffer like you and me
@@G0nxsfGreat reason to be vegan! "I don't understand why someone should be killed just so I can have a snack."
Christ is King
What a boring wannabe cool guy.
Funny how Brian is now walkikg about CS and not physics.....lolol.... physics has been dead since the late 70s...😅😅 now its all b.s. and fantasy.
Someone’s been watching way too many TikTok shorts
@@pumpthewater419 Yes, or maybe gets all her info from Sabine videos. Clearly hasn't read any science ever.
Definitely use Physics in your DAILY LIVES 😅