I think that Mr Ness truly shared in the life of Miss Ross. I believe that Mr Ness wanted a genuine living, breathing relationship with a like minded human being, which is what Miss Ross concurred to. Having made the decision Mr. Ness left his professional situation and put those energies into his family welfare.
I was in Central Park that first day with my sister who I lost a few years after. You were the best Ms. Ross, so calming during a scary evening. ‘Thank you for an evening I will never forget…storm and all.
@@FranPett --It drained her--- she had become an alcoholic --- when she was back in America--she got arrested for drunk driving.. and that is understandable... she had a lot taken from her.. and she had to get it back...
@ reality chick - if what’s printed is reliable, Arne being from an old world took a lot of flack 4 being w/her. In Norway, she was viewed as too happy (shallow) & showy (the long, colorful nails, big hair, glitz etc).
💯Yes ur right💯, he definitely did‼️ It's really so sad 2 me 🥺, bcuz I KNOW this particular love really meant the world to her. She truly hoped their connection was such that they'd grow old & watch their children grow up & become grandparents 2gether. But, in order to have the type of marriage she desired, you have to be willing to make sacrifices & of course we all know "Diane Ross" is not the type of person who's used to not being catered to & having what she wants, whenever she wants it. Arne on the other hand, did not want to live his day 2 day life in the States, he tried his best for her, but it didn't work out business-wise. More importantly, he loved his life & family in Norway, his business was out there, Kiki his beloved, elderly Mother was out there, his beloved Uncle Arne, who was the only "father" he had known lived out there, so he wanted his wife to move to Norway with him. From Diane's perspective, bcuz her oldest girls Rhonda & Tracee had graduated high school & went off to college, during the time she & Arne were married & her youngest daughter Chudney was in h.s. getting ready for college, she couldn't see herself leaving them in another country alone (She is a wonderful parent, so that was very respectable & understandable of her). Also, in her mind, she still had a rather busy & still yet relevant entertainment career that she wasn't interested in abandoning & she didn't think she could handle her American Entertainment Business from Norway, so she resigned to the couple times per year visits that became their norm between the 2, until she noticed both a distance & difference in Arne's behavior & feelings toward her. According to Diane, she really wanted their relationship to work & stand the test of time, so she asked if they could work toward fixing things & Arne reportedly agreed that they would, but, ole Arne had already fallen in-love w/a much younger woman, his 2 youngest son's mother, Ms. Astrup. Diane had learned that he had taken up with this woman & that they were pregnant w/their 1st son & after 15 years 2gether, Arne blindsighted her & filed for divorce. This is the period where it was being reported about Diane being repeatedly caught driving drunk & getting arrested, she was struggling with alcoholism & eventually went to rehab & after leaving rehab 1 night, she was pulled over by the cops, for driving into oncoming traffic inebriated well over the legal limit. This incident really did her in, after all the heartbreak she had been well known to have unleashed on countless of women in her heyday, Karma finally came back around & served her up a super-sized dose of hurt, betrayal, heartbreak & disappointment, the same way she had so carelessly unleashed it on women like Claudette Robinson - Smokey Robinson's wife, when she was having an affair w/him, also Brian Holland's (⅓ of the 3-Man team of Motown's Super-Producers Extraordinaire, "H.D.H./Holland Dozier Holland") woman, while Diane was having an affair w/him & last example, Cher, who was her really good friend, yet bcuz she developed a crush for Cher's then boyfriend, Kiss' Gene Simmons, so she swiped him right from up under Cher, never even having so much as a conversation w/her about it, she just abruptly ✂️CUT✂️ her off, while being seen all over NY & Hollywood w/Cher's man, but he played all over Diane too & never stopped womanizing & that turned out to be a total waste of a lost friend, for absolutely nothing, smh. When you put consistent negative, ugly energy out into the multiverse, hurting innocent people & people who love you, Karma has a 🎟 waiting for that ass, that she's gonna 1 day pull of the dispenser & cash in ur Karmatic ticket & bury you under it. Now look at her, in her late 70s & she ended up doing exactly what she was afraid of & that's "GROWING OLD LONELY W/O A LIFE PARTNER" OR ANY REAL LONGTIME BESTFRIENDS BCUZ SHE COULDN'T KEEP ANY WOMEN FRIENDS W/O TEARING THOSE RELATIONSHIPS APART. P.S. Arne ended up getting his too I guess, bcuz he didn't live long after their divorce. At 66, he fell off of a mountain during another of his famous Mountain Climbing Expeditions. Truly sad all around, for all parties involved.
@@storiking650 👋🏾👋🏾👋🏾Hey Girl!!! 😂 You broke it all the way DOWN! I didn’t know she had an affair with Smokey too. Well DANG! Ms. D just didn’t care. Diana seems(ed) to be a real narcissist. They don’t care who they step on or hurt, as long as they think they’re getting what they want at that moment. And your right…She hasn’t seemed to have had a serious relationship since Arne left her in ‘99 over 20 years ago. I’m just shocked that she actually thought visiting a man twice a year would be enough to keep the relationship strong. 🤨 I guess she thought because she was “THE Diana Ross” that he would stay infatuated. 🤦🏽♀️
@@CodyCole80 👋🏿🥰Hello again friend!!! Yes ma'am the good ole "D-Diana" was a mega piece of work honey!!! Her ego was so inflated & her sense of importance was so off the rictor scales, that no1 could convince her otherwise, she didn't give a hoot who she messed over, just to "mess with" their man. In her mind the world was HER oyster & that's where she was gonna allow things to stay, no matter who got hurt in the process. Craziest thing is there are sooooo many accounts of who Diane really was as a person, that's why I often say on Nay Rob's book club, that I can't fathom for the life of me, how the fans can front like if they came in contact w/a chick who treated them & did 2 them the things that Diane did to so many, that they wouldn't break her face, bcuz I know I would. She's the complete antithesis of "girlcode", I'm talking everything girlcode stands against. So if we're gonna give her her roses for her contribution to entertainment, than we should be able to separate the 2 & do just that, call a scandalous, skanky spade a spade & call a lowdown snake, a snake💯🙂👍🏿!!!!
@@storiking650 🤦🏽♀️ She was even playing with Mike’s head up until she married Arne. Before then, he thought she could do no wrong. She was his dream girl. It took her to suddenly marry before he saw her true colors. Look at his demeanor towards her at the ‘86 AMAs, presenting “WATW.” Diana seemed to get a major kick out of his attention, even though she had no intentions of seriously being with him.
@@storiking650 This comment is filled with a lot of half-truths and conjecture. It'll never cease to amaze me how comfortable people are in making monsters of people they do not-and likely never will-make the effort to understand.
So darn sad.. just watching Diana and Arne in an interview --one can tell he was just NOT that much in love with Diana.. and she knew it!!!! but could not accept it and that is understandable...
I thought I was the only one who discerned that but here she was worrying about the age difference between her and Michael Jackson but when she was with Michael Jackson you can see that love radiates from his eyes she loved him too that's what happens not taking someone who really loves you seriously begin with someone that doesn't care much for you but Michael Jackson did say everything you did to me will come back to you and one of his songs
@@kwatoniazakiyyahanderson8091 Diana took him seriously, but I imagine outside of their age difference (people already make horrendous assumptions about her character for potentially being involved with him), there were probably other things that made her realize their relationship wasn't viable.
@@Arienhn well that's true that could be a possibility the vibe that I get is that I truly do believe that they were in love with each other cuz you can see it in her eyes as well her body language everything about them she married that man from Norway and she only known him for four months but I saw them two in the interview together and they didn't seem like they had any connection or it just seemed weird he wasn't really that into her and then I happened to hear her son Evan say that his mom and dad didn't really have much in common and he wasn't barely around and that he ended up cheating on her numerous times and had children with a woman that was 20 years younger than Diana Ross I research this for myself I just noticed when she was with her husband it just didn't seem like something of a normal marriage no affection chemistry of passion but like I said Michael Jackson was a very loving person and he genuinely loved it it was more than a crush I could see it in his eyes if they would have married each other I believe Michael Jackson heard was still be together they had a lot in common they had chemistry and it just came natural with them with her second husband it wasn't really nothing there they divorced in 2000
So sad when people bring children into the world and then break up shortly afterward. It always makes me wonder how celebrities who don't know how to run their personal lives seem to always know how to run the country and tell us who to vote for
Well they stayed married for 13 years until he cheated and announced on tv without her even knowing that they were getting divorced. That's why he fell off of mount Kilimanjaro and died!!!!!
I must say I came to dislike Diana as a person. And I tried really really hard to like her because of Michael. I wanted to believe she was better than she was, cause he loved her so much, but throughout the interviews I would always come to the same conclusion, that she is kind of shady, disingenuous. Don't know what her motives were to marry this guy, but it's just all really weird to me. She was and still is a beautiful woman, but not so sure about her personality. A lot of people who dealt with her personally also didn't have nice things to say about her. Very ambitious, hungry for attention, wanted everything for herself, selfish, thats what I get in the end of the story. Sorry Diane.
Everything that the husband said was very telling is that their relationship is not as great as Diana's trying to make it out to be they don't even seem like they have much chemistry between them like I said I think it was better if she would have married Michael Jackson cuz at least you could tell he loved her because you can see it and everything about them but you know sometimes people that fear and social media control their lives now she's an old woman by herself poor Michael
And I guess u know who she has in her life?. She is living her best life right now, coming back from England where she sang for the Queen again, and performed and sold out some of England's biggest arenas and had the biggest audience in Glastonbury history selling out Tix in 13min. So that old lady is not doing to bad for herself at all. And she's got amazing children and grandchildren which is what she really wanted.
@@kwatoniazakiyyahanderson8091 Good don't, but like I said that's why he's rotting in his grave. And if the marriage wasn't great it's because he thought he could control her make her give up her career and stay at home. Diana does what she wants.
In the latter part of her interview--- about giving kids their dream s -- Flo had a dream as well and she was prevented from it-- and so did some other Motown singers... wow--- Karma is working in this life for some.. and it just is not Diana -- but it goes for me and you -- everybody... Learn from it.. GOD Bless all...
@@realitychick8903 Diana Ross had it going on 40 years ago in the early 1980s her songs were all over the radio and they were good songs that white people like me liked
@@dampergoldenrod4156 YES--her songs were great.. but it is NOT the songs we are talking about--it was the behavior and the back stabbings that took place.. while doing all those great songs.. sad as it is... we all think there is no price to pay for our bad deeds in life... but there is.. for ALL...
I sense that she was trying to make a relationship with the husband seemed a little bit more than what it actually was she just met him it wasn't as romantic as it seemed it seemed like she probably slept with him before she really knew him Michael Jackson really loved her very dearly
You are clearly in love with Michael Jackson and fantasize about him often, so much that, you wanted to be Diana Ross so, you could be Michael's crush. Diana wasn't in love with Michael the way your twisted mind wants it to be. You can't dictate who people love. You should've married Michael Jackson. Diana admits to being a very strong willed person. She clearly wasn't right for Michael Jackson and would've destroyed him sooner than he destroyed himself.
@@vicgalindo1 Well that's Your opinion thank you and have a wonderful day I will speak it from the spirit of discernment carry on, have a nice day, God-bless you good bye
A massive superstar born to do what she does Supreme Diana Ross
She really is.
I realize I'm pretty randomly asking but do anyone know of a good site to stream new series online?
@Lucian Frederick flixportal
@Alvin Leo Thank you, signed up and it seems like they got a lot of movies there :) Appreciate it!!
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im so happy for her to get to meet this man, they were a really nice couple, like soulmates, really.
Thank you so much for posting this I love Diana Ross since I’m a kid what I love most is that she’s an amazing mother love you ms Ross 2021
Thanks for your appreciation, I'm glad you enjoyed it.
This is called living your full best life.
Oh Ms Ross. I love you so ............
Amazing amazing couple, the world is so much better for them both being in it. Much respect & admiration🙏😊
I think that Mr Ness truly shared in the life of Miss Ross. I believe that Mr Ness wanted a genuine living, breathing relationship with a like minded human being, which is what Miss Ross concurred to. Having made the decision Mr. Ness left his professional situation and put those energies into his family welfare.
I was in Central Park that first day with my sister who I lost a few years after. You were the best Ms. Ross, so calming during a scary evening. ‘Thank you for an evening I will never forget…storm and all.
I am sorry you lost your sister!
TAKE NOTE BABY WANNA BES, STARS OF TODAY, LEARN FROM A LEGEND MISS DIANA ROSS, THE EPITOME OF LONGEVITY AND CLASS !!!💖💖💖💖💖💜💜💜💜💜💖💖💖
Diana, Diana , you are so grand.
You can tell Diana loved Arne Ness.
It has been said that the break up devastated her.
She did.
Yes.. she really did luv this man--- but he did not luv her back .. which is so sad.. and back to America she comes...
@@FranPett --It drained her--- she had become an alcoholic --- when she was back in America--she got arrested for drunk driving.. and that is understandable... she had a lot taken from her.. and she had to get it back...
@ reality chick - if what’s printed is reliable, Arne being from an old world took a lot of flack 4 being w/her. In Norway, she was viewed as too happy (shallow) & showy (the long, colorful nails, big hair, glitz etc).
Perfect!
Arne described their situation perfectly: A love affair opposed to a traditional marriage.
💯Yes ur right💯, he definitely did‼️ It's really so sad 2 me 🥺, bcuz I KNOW this particular love really meant the world to her. She truly hoped their connection was such that they'd grow old & watch their children grow up & become grandparents 2gether. But, in order to have the type of marriage she desired, you have to be willing to make sacrifices & of course we all know "Diane Ross" is not the type of person who's used to not being catered to & having what she wants, whenever she wants it. Arne on the other hand, did not want to live his day 2 day life in the States, he tried his best for her, but it didn't work out business-wise. More importantly, he loved his life & family in Norway, his business was out there, Kiki his beloved, elderly Mother was out there, his beloved Uncle Arne, who was the only "father" he had known lived out there, so he wanted his wife to move to Norway with him. From Diane's perspective, bcuz her oldest girls Rhonda & Tracee had graduated high school & went off to college, during the time she & Arne were married & her youngest daughter Chudney was in h.s. getting ready for college, she couldn't see herself leaving them in another country alone (She is a wonderful parent, so that was very respectable & understandable of her). Also, in her mind, she still had a rather busy & still yet relevant entertainment career that she wasn't interested in abandoning & she didn't think she could handle her American Entertainment Business from Norway, so she resigned to the couple times per year visits that became their norm between the 2, until she noticed both a distance & difference in Arne's behavior & feelings toward her. According to Diane, she really wanted their relationship to work & stand the test of time, so she asked if they could work toward fixing things & Arne reportedly agreed that they would, but, ole Arne had already fallen in-love w/a much younger woman, his 2 youngest son's mother, Ms. Astrup. Diane had learned that he had taken up with this woman & that they were pregnant w/their 1st son & after 15 years 2gether, Arne blindsighted her & filed for divorce. This is the period where it was being reported about Diane being repeatedly caught driving drunk & getting arrested, she was struggling with alcoholism & eventually went to rehab & after leaving rehab 1 night, she was pulled over by the cops, for driving into oncoming traffic inebriated well over the legal limit. This incident really did her in, after all the heartbreak she had been well known to have unleashed on countless of women in her heyday, Karma finally came back around & served her up a super-sized dose of hurt, betrayal, heartbreak & disappointment, the same way she had so carelessly unleashed it on women like Claudette Robinson - Smokey Robinson's wife, when she was having an affair w/him, also Brian Holland's (⅓ of the 3-Man team of Motown's Super-Producers Extraordinaire, "H.D.H./Holland Dozier Holland") woman, while Diane was having an affair w/him & last example, Cher, who was her really good friend, yet bcuz she developed a crush for Cher's then boyfriend, Kiss' Gene Simmons, so she swiped him right from up under Cher, never even having so much as a conversation w/her about it, she just abruptly ✂️CUT✂️ her off, while being seen all over NY & Hollywood w/Cher's man, but he played all over Diane too & never stopped womanizing & that turned out to be a total waste of a lost friend, for absolutely nothing, smh. When you put consistent negative, ugly energy out into the multiverse, hurting innocent people & people who love you, Karma has a 🎟 waiting for that ass, that she's gonna 1 day pull of the dispenser & cash in ur Karmatic ticket & bury you under it. Now look at her, in her late 70s & she ended up doing exactly what she was afraid of & that's "GROWING OLD LONELY W/O A LIFE PARTNER" OR ANY REAL LONGTIME BESTFRIENDS BCUZ SHE COULDN'T KEEP ANY WOMEN FRIENDS W/O TEARING THOSE RELATIONSHIPS APART.
P.S. Arne ended up getting his too I guess, bcuz he didn't live long after their divorce. At 66, he fell off of a mountain during another of his famous Mountain Climbing Expeditions. Truly sad all around, for all parties involved.
@@storiking650 👋🏾👋🏾👋🏾Hey Girl!!! 😂
You broke it all the way DOWN! I didn’t know she had an affair with Smokey too. Well DANG! Ms. D just didn’t care. Diana seems(ed) to be a real narcissist. They don’t care who they step on or hurt, as long as they think they’re getting what they want at that moment. And your right…She hasn’t seemed to have had a serious relationship since Arne left her in ‘99 over 20 years ago. I’m just shocked that she actually thought visiting a man twice a year would be enough to keep the relationship strong. 🤨 I guess she thought because she was “THE Diana Ross” that he would stay infatuated. 🤦🏽♀️
@@CodyCole80 👋🏿🥰Hello again friend!!! Yes ma'am the good ole "D-Diana" was a mega piece of work honey!!! Her ego was so inflated & her sense of importance was so off the rictor scales, that no1 could convince her otherwise, she didn't give a hoot who she messed over, just to "mess with" their man. In her mind the world was HER oyster & that's where she was gonna allow things to stay, no matter who got hurt in the process. Craziest thing is there are sooooo many accounts of who Diane really was as a person, that's why I often say on Nay Rob's book club, that I can't fathom for the life of me, how the fans can front like if they came in contact w/a chick who treated them & did 2 them the things that Diane did to so many, that they wouldn't break her face, bcuz I know I would. She's the complete antithesis of "girlcode", I'm talking everything girlcode stands against. So if we're gonna give her her roses for her contribution to entertainment, than we should be able to separate the 2 & do just that, call a scandalous, skanky spade a spade & call a lowdown snake, a snake💯🙂👍🏿!!!!
@@storiking650
🤦🏽♀️ She was even playing with Mike’s head up until she married Arne. Before then, he thought she could do no wrong. She was his dream girl. It took her to suddenly marry before he saw her true colors. Look at his demeanor towards her at the ‘86 AMAs, presenting “WATW.” Diana seemed to get a major kick out of his attention, even though she had no intentions of seriously being with him.
@@storiking650 This comment is filled with a lot of half-truths and conjecture. It'll never cease to amaze me how comfortable people are in making monsters of people they do not-and likely never will-make the effort to understand.
Ross asking for the banana was so cute
#BeautifulQueen I would love for Ms. Ross to sing to me. It's the "mommy kiss" for me. #OneOfMyDreamMoms 💖💖💖💖
Hermosa ❤
So darn sad.. just watching Diana and Arne in an interview --one can tell he was just NOT that much in love with Diana.. and she knew it!!!! but could not accept it and that is understandable...
I thought I was the only one who discerned that but here she was worrying about the age difference between her and Michael Jackson but when she was with Michael Jackson you can see that love radiates from his eyes she loved him too that's what happens not taking someone who really loves you seriously begin with someone that doesn't care much for you but Michael Jackson did say everything you did to me will come back to you and one of his songs
I am 100% with you in that !!
@@kwatoniazakiyyahanderson8091 Diana took him seriously, but I imagine outside of their age difference (people already make horrendous assumptions about her character for potentially being involved with him), there were probably other things that made her realize their relationship wasn't viable.
@@Arienhn well that's true that could be a possibility the vibe that I get is that I truly do believe that they were in love with each other cuz you can see it in her eyes as well her body language everything about them she married that man from Norway and she only known him for four months but I saw them two in the interview together and they didn't seem like they had any connection or it just seemed weird he wasn't really that into her and then I happened to hear her son Evan say that his mom and dad didn't really have much in common and he wasn't barely around and that he ended up cheating on her numerous times and had children with a woman that was 20 years younger than Diana Ross I research this for myself I just noticed when she was with her husband it just didn't seem like something of a normal marriage no affection chemistry of passion but like I said Michael Jackson was a very loving person and he genuinely loved it it was more than a crush I could see it in his eyes if they would have married each other I believe Michael Jackson heard was still be together they had a lot in common they had chemistry and it just came natural with them with her second husband it wasn't really nothing there they divorced in 2000
Nobody's ever going to love you. That's what you should be sad about.
People follow Diana around repeating so many nasty things about her...its really sad for them...not her.
'❤😂🎉I Was So Worried About Her, In That Rain Storm, I Thought She Might Get Electricuted"...😇
So sad when people bring children into the world and then break up shortly afterward. It always makes me wonder how celebrities who don't know how to run their personal lives seem to always know how to run the country and tell us who to vote for
Well they stayed married for 13 years until he cheated and announced on tv without her even knowing that they were getting divorced. That's why he fell off of mount Kilimanjaro and died!!!!!
@@andrerodman9025
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"But That Rain Storm Made A DINAMIC Poster, With Her Hair Flying Back And The Red Cape Thing She Had On, Flying Back❤🎉"...😇
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@@dddddadadad1796 wasn't looking for a smart azz comment, but naturally there it is!!!
Diane and Arnaes were unequially yoked.
@@dddddadadad1796Well said and Amen to that..:-)
@ Pamela Smart jealous woman talk
Well... She did stated that Arne was the love of her life.
I must say I came to dislike Diana as a person. And I tried really really hard to like her because of Michael. I wanted to believe she was better than she was, cause he loved her so much, but throughout the interviews I would always come to the same conclusion, that she is kind of shady, disingenuous. Don't know what her motives were to marry this guy, but it's just all really weird to me. She was and still is a beautiful woman, but not so sure about her personality. A lot of people who dealt with her personally also didn't have nice things to say about her. Very ambitious, hungry for attention, wanted everything for herself, selfish, thats what I get in the end of the story. Sorry Diane.
Everything that the husband said was very telling is that their relationship is not as great as Diana's trying to make it out to be they don't even seem like they have much chemistry between them like I said I think it was better if she would have married Michael Jackson cuz at least you could tell he loved her because you can see it and everything about them but you know sometimes people that fear and social media control their lives now she's an old woman by herself poor Michael
And I guess u know who she has in her life?. She is living her best life right now, coming back from England where she sang for the Queen again, and performed and sold out some of England's biggest arenas and had the biggest audience in Glastonbury history selling out Tix in 13min. So that old lady is not doing to bad for herself at all. And she's got amazing children and grandchildren which is what she really wanted.
@@andrerodman9025 ma'am have a nice day I'm not going to go back and forth
@@kwatoniazakiyyahanderson8091 Good don't, but like I said that's why he's rotting in his grave. And if the marriage wasn't great it's because he thought he could control her make her give up her career and stay at home. Diana does what she wants.
@@andrerodman9025 okay we'll have a nice day bye-bye
In the latter part of her interview--- about giving kids their dream s -- Flo had a dream as well and she was prevented from it-- and so did some other Motown singers... wow--- Karma is working in this life for some.. and it just is not Diana -- but it goes for me and you -- everybody... Learn from it.. GOD Bless all...
what did enemen or justin timberflake ever do for white people? diana ross is expected to help every black basketcase out there.
and Diana has had great karma all her life so that speaks for itself...a hardworking woman who helped to elevate the motown name
@@leejackson6921 --R U sure????.. but then again --that is between God and oneself...
@@realitychick8903 Diana Ross had it going on 40 years ago in the early 1980s her songs were all over the radio and they were good songs that white people like me liked
@@dampergoldenrod4156 YES--her songs were great.. but it is NOT the songs we are talking about--it was the behavior and the back stabbings that took place.. while doing all those great songs.. sad as it is... we all think there is no price to pay for our bad deeds in life... but there is.. for ALL...
I sense that she was trying to make a relationship with the husband seemed a little bit more than what it actually was she just met him it wasn't as romantic as it seemed it seemed like she probably slept with him before she really knew him Michael Jackson really loved her very dearly
You are clearly in love with Michael Jackson and fantasize about him often, so much that, you wanted to be Diana Ross so, you could be Michael's crush. Diana wasn't in love with Michael the way your twisted mind wants it to be. You can't dictate who people love. You should've married Michael Jackson. Diana admits to being a very strong willed person. She clearly wasn't right for Michael Jackson and would've destroyed him sooner than he destroyed himself.
Your comments are not very intelligent!
@@vicgalindo1 Well that's Your opinion thank you and have a wonderful day I will speak it from the spirit of discernment carry on, have a nice day, God-bless you good bye
I don’t believe that their meeting wasn’t planned on her end…