Samsung Odyssey Ark Monitor! Unbox. Review. Return.
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- Опубліковано 15 вер 2022
- This video is in no way meant to bash @Samsung - who makes a great monitor and the Odyssey Ark gaming monitor is a sight to behold! However, I have had specific issues with the device as well as problems with Samsung's design considerations when producing a $3500 display.
Join @EDDocGamer as he unboxes, assembles, reviews and laments this purchase in a very raw video, done at 1:30 in the morning after getting home from work.
It's obvious that I need a gimbal for more sturdy video, so bear with me!
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Happy to hear I'm not the only one with the remotes being glitchy. It corrects itself pretty quickly (minute or less) but did get on my nerves whilst setting everything up. I'm sure it'll be addressed in a firmware update so it's no biggie. Plus, I've got everything set up to my liking now and probably won't need to use the remotes often anyways. I could return it and get another LG C2 OLED but then I'd lose out on the immersion that a 55", 1000R curved screen provides. Im gonna keep it at least for another week or so to see if SAMSUNG issues an update. After all, I get a 15 Day return window. Plus, it's a lot of physical work that I could potentially avoid. This thing is HEAVY AF! Lol...
I don't experience any of those software bugs with mine. Works flawlessly. So weird.
Super helpful. Thank you.
Mine just came in yesterday. I've been enjoying it but just note to self, this monitor is MASSIVE and when you're playing FPS, because of the sheer size FOV will be a little zoomed in.
The FOV is not zoomed in at all - The FOV is nothing to do with the size of a screen - You can play FPS games on a 65' TV and the FOV will still be the same.
Did you experience any problems so far?
If I rezise the screen, the resolution is not 4k anymore, is it?
Those speakers on there sound better than any tv I’ve ever had
Just wanted to post this follow up -
If you are using a Macbook Pro 16 (intel) you can use the Samsung Ark at 4k with a 120hz or 144hz refresh rate. This can be accomplished using an eGPU that contains an AMD Radeon™ RX 6800 XT Graphics Card. The Mac will recognize that card and allow you to use it in Mac OS. The 6800XT has an HDMI 2.1 output port which supports 4K at 120 or 144hz. While I dont currently have a Samsung Ark (yet) I do have the Samsung Neo Odyssey G9 monitor, which includes HDMI 2.1 ports. I have tested the connection (using it now to type this) and I am running 5120x1440 at 144hz via a HDMI 2.1 cable connection without any problems.
This would indicate that sending the same signal to a Samsung Ark should be successful.
So if you havent returned your ArK yet, you can consider this option!
Thanks for the hands on impressions and critiques. You are smart to realize that your desk setup isn't suitable for this screen. I see a lot of people using room and desk layouts with way too close of viewing distances. Larger screens are not made for sitting at the typical "up against the wall like a bookshelf" or "upright piano + sheet music" type desk setups. They demand an exceptionally large desk or separating the desk from the screen using a rail spine tv stand (the kind with a floor foot or caster wheels), a wall mount or pole mount, or a separate pillar stand hutch or slim desk to sit it on.
Even though a good curve allows somewhat nearer distance than a flat screen would perspective wise, curves actually have an R value that is the radius or focal point of the curve as if it were a lens. For the 55" ark as well as a g9 neo uw, the curve is 1000R = 1000mm = ~ 39.5" focal point. That's where all points on the screen surface are equidistant from you.
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PPD measurements of various screens
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800R Curved 45"uw 3440x1400: 800mm radius of curve's focal point = 31.4" view distance = ~ 51.4 PPD
900R Curved 45"uw 3440x1400: 900mm radius of curve's focal point = 35.4" view distance = ~ 56.6 PPD
1000R Curved45"uw3440x1440: 1000mm radius of the curve's focal point = 39.4" view distance = 62PPD
People with this screen would probably be better off getting a strong metal rail spine floor VESA stand, the kind with a foot or caster wheels that can hold up to 100 Lb. That or a pole mount, or a wall mount. I don't prefer wall mounts personally because I like having modularity. That or get a pillar-like hutch or microwave stand or narrow bench desk to put the included ark stand on so you can separate the screen location from the desk location.
Samsung does include a 200x200 vesa mount with the Ark screen which still allows it to spin into portrait mode. However most of the floor TV stands use a push-pin height adjustment like a patio umbrella pole stand, or worse - use allen screws - so it wouldn't be as easy as floating the screen up and spinning it like you can do with a small screen on an ergo monitor arm. The push-pin method is still doable though with a little effort (esp with a ~ 50 Lb screen lift).
I'd definitely recommend the floor stand thing so you can get to the 1000R, 1000mm, ~39.4" radius of the curve as your view distance, where all points on the screen are equidistant from you like the focal point of a lens. Otherwise you'd probably need a big Interion 48" corner desk or something, and even with one of those you couldn't jam the desk up against the walls in the corner due to the width of this screen hitting the walls. You'd have to gap the desk away from the wall a bit. These kinds of large 42" - 48" - 55" screens are made for larger media/gaming command centers so they require a decent amount of space. They aren't made for upright piano + sheet music type setups.
Interion 48" (sides, the diagonal is longer) Each colored bar is around ~17" long. i.imgur.com/zzdJmak.jpg
Owning this I have 20/20 vision and I found I needed 90cm distance to eliminate the screen door effect, I can still detect the pixels but it’s acceptable. In another 10 years I may look at a replacement that’s 8k, but no computer can really drive 8k games at 165hz, and in 10 years I expect there will be a comparable monitor with 8k 320hz available. Anyway gaming on this is super fun and watching movies is amazing! I haven’t had the issues with the lag in the OS that the op has had, but I did get a software update as soon as I got it online. Fortunately for me I am using a fairly deep 8ft table but I too had to pop the back of the stand off into the air a tad to hit 90cm.
@@jessedaly7847
90cm is 35.4" which is a little better than 80cm. The focal point of the curve is where you get to 61 PPD though. Most people can see up to like 20/15 vision but like you said, more granular pixel structure being visible can be acceptable to some people, it's just not quite as good. Until we get ~ 150PPD we won't be able to drop text subsampling and AA to similar effect as 60PPD+ with text sub-sampling and aggressive AA. Samsung seems to have balanced the massive immersion factor of this screen at 55" inch size with a 1000mm radius which can still get you to an adequate (once text sub-sampling and aggressive AA are applied) 60 PPD+. Any smaller of a screen size vs the curve it would not be as immersive, and larger vs the curve at this rez and the PPD would be too poor.
People might choose to do 4k games scaled to 8k once we get 8k screens, so they'd be at least 120hz (to 240hz, if not higher perhaps using DSC) since they would be essentially running the game at 4k, and with higher frame rates than 8k would give to the Hz.
If I were you I'd spring for a rail spine tv vesa stand (the kind with a floor foot or caster wheels, some at ~ $150 usd) so that the screen distance can be independent of the desk measurements. Many of those floor stands can hold up to 100 Lb. That or get a pillar or small island style hutch or wooden microwave stand to put that Ark's stand/base on behind the desk to get more distance. I think you'd find the PPD better at 61 PPD and besides that, you would then be at the focal point of the 1000mm radius curve where all of the points on the screen would be equidistant from you. I can understand that people have room and desk layout constraints though and you are way closer to optimal than I think most people who buy large sized screens are from what I've seen of pictures of desk setups online 😝.
Thank you very much. Love the dramatic music
The software being lagging should get better with updates. Maybe plug the monitor to a smart switch so you can turn if off easily without physically unplugging it.
Input limitations is a pointless major con for me. I don’t understand why they went that route. I own the odyssey g9 and that has multiple input options. Hope they fix this with an update or with the next version.
Needing a deep desk for a 55 inch monitor is a must. I placed my odyssey g9 at the corner of my L desk for more distance. I also installed a corner sleeve for my keyboard and mouse. Maybe that can fix that one CON of yours.
I have a MacBook Pro 16 Max 2021. Will this screen work in 4K with higher than 60 hz as long as I don't use the HDMI-port to connect to the screen? Like display port or similar? I am using that for my Odyssey G9 now.
Unfortunately, with this monitor, there are only HDMI ports.
I feel like it would be glorious to play the upcoming games on this with a 4090 and 13900k especially starfield. That would probably be insane but idk I'm worried about it being too big.
You can rescale it down to 27 inches if you need
@@christianwachel7247 will that be 4k though? Seems technically Impossible
@@t.h.9897 yes, tested it today. Not in vertical but in regular it is.
No display port!!
Does this work well will an Xbox series Xbox?
I've had no software glitches, I was getting weird behavior on my ps5 and computer--then realized my HDMI 2.1 cable was not working to full spec--the cable included with the monitor DID work. So
I'm investing in some certified 2.1 cables, I hope they work at 4k 120 hz as promised.
Maxonar on amazon do a good hdmi cable its a Certified cable runs my samsung ark at 120hz no probs
@@chrisfletcher2611 By any chance do you know if you'll get 120hz with a PS5?
@@MannyRaygoza i'm sure you will get 120hz at 4k on it with a ps5 as both are capable of it i just use mine with pc just make sure you get a certified hdmi 2.1 cable if the one in the box is not long enough
hello, are you comfortable with this monitor? I would use it with the pc, to play, web and youtube, do you recommend it?
My rotary dial does not work. Does your rotary dial work seamlessly when you rotate it to the left or right on the Ark Dial remote?
Usually did. Make
Sure your monitor sees it
Good review, I’m relooking into the “monitor” as its recently dropped in price significantly 😅
One suggestion for future videos though, putting your camera on a tripod will make the video significantly less shaky when showing what’s on screen
Thanks! Got a lot of new equipment since then!
What’s the price you see, I’m seeing at around 1.3k
really wish for more development in this category of product
Agreed!
Did you have an issues with blurry screen resolutions in cockpit mode while in landscape mode with windows? Tech support said mine needs servicing but I’m assuming it’s just a windows compatibility issue as there was nothing wrong when I tried it with my Nintendo switch..
Find seemed OK. Good luck with yours.
I have the same with Windows 11 if it in multiview cockpit mode. If single input in cockpit windows works in game mode and resolution seems fine.
I'm just hoping they release a QD OLED version of this beast in the next year or two. I have the Neo G9 and the Ark has less dimming zones than my Neo, and its 4k and twice the price. Not very good for how much you're paying for it. So i'll just wait to get a new monitor until there's a QD OLED Odyssey Ark. I mean, there are BENDABLE 240hz 1440p OLED monitors. So an OLED or QD OLED 165hz 4k version of the Ark should be out next year I hope.
I must be confused you said you can only use 1 input source at a time? That cant be true cause i have the odessey g9 i was able to play my ps5 while do things on my work laptop. Are you saying i cant do that on this newer monitor?
Correct. You are allowed to use a Web app that is built into the monitor with an input, but only one HDMI input is allowed on the screen at a time. Hopefully, they will change this with a software update, but who knows.
When I turn the screen to cockpit mode with PC input the resolution gets much worse and also it takes up only 1/3 of the screen. Anyone knows how to get fullscreen PC in cockpit mode?
I would assume that you would then want to change the resolution of your operating system or game to fit the portrait resolution of the monitor. I don’t remember the monitor being able to bounce something to a Portrait resolution automatically.
could you please tell me the size of the stand (the footprint on the desk)?
I took it back. Sorry don’t have that info any more :(
I’m sure this will be a update pretty quickly. I wouldn’t return it that fast. It just came out
TBH I think he just bought it for the review and even if it works flawlessly it would be return it... it cost $3.500 USD. and he just have like 200 subs so it makes sense. Not a lot of big Tech UA-camrs have had a chance to review the monitor / TV this is going to generate a lot of views just for the novelty...
Untrue. All my tech is purchased by myself and to date I have never bought anything just to review it. If it ran osx at 120hz and didn’t keep locking up on me, I would have kept it. I use OSX >65% of the time. I can’t justify 3500 plus tax to downgrade that experience. Also unplugging a monitor 3x a day isn’t good.
Will this adapter work to get your MAC on that monitor? ---> UPTab DisplayPort 1.4 to HDMI 2.1 Active Adapter with HDR Support Displays 4k 120Hz up to 8K 60Hz with HDR - Connect PC or Tablet with DisplayPort to HDMI Enabled Monitor, TV or Projector
I pray that it does because I really want to buy this monitor, but I have a Macbook Pro 16 (2019) model.
Ah. I am running an eGPU with a Radeon VII card. So I'm guessing I will be able to get 120hz with that adapter.
I currently get 120hz on the Odyssey G9 using that set up BUT I am using a DisplayPort cable. I'm thinking that if I use the adapter, the DisplayPort 1.4 120hz will get translated to HDMI 2.1 120hz and then I can plug that into the ARK.
Does that make sense?
You can give it a try, but certainly look at any of the forums on Apple or other websites, regarding using any cable whatsoever that eventually plugs into an HDMI port. I believe this is a software limitation, because if you have an Intel Mac and put Windows on it, you can use an HDMI cable at 120 Hz just fine.
Yes, it makes sense, but I would definitely try checking the forms to see if anybody else has successfully done this. It’s a very big object to take back. Lol.
@@EDDocGamer Just wanted to update you - The new Mac OS Ventura 13.0 supports 120hz on the Ark now. Im using a 6800xt with eGPU on my Macbook pro 16 with a HDMI 2.1 cable just fine. Looks great.👍
The price has come down at least for the holidays so I considered it for productivity but reviews deterred me. Maybe a future 5K+ version that addresses its bugs. Just an FYI, my new LG Ultrawide 49” that I’m running on a Mac Studio also requires unplugging and re-plugging. It’s why I considered returning it for the Ark.
Yea sucks to pay so much due to bugs. Is there any firmware updates
@@EDDocGamer just got this for 2500, I have not had to unplug/replug it but it has gotten 2 over-the-air updates. it has Picture in picture now but still just 1 input at a time.
@@stanielz it’s now only $1300 now 😂 the price jump on this thing is insane
The monitor weighs 95 lbs without the stand? (Wall mount)
No I think the whole thing does.
I have two other issues you might want to check with your monitor:
1) Inhomogenous backlighting: My monitor is darker on the right and near the upper and right edges
2) Sone letters on websites, Windows or Word are incomplete and show different color "bleeding" around them despite they should be black on white. This happens also on native (100%) scaling
Mines gone back already
What is your exact viewing distance?
Mine was 2.5 feet being that the monitor needed more clearance behind the stand
@@EDDocGamer Thanks for the info. I was asking gil galad as well since he is having issues that may be related to sitting too close giving him an aslant viewing angle of the screen surface and also his resulting PPD at the distance (pixels per degree, a measure of perceived pixel density at a given distance) in relation to his text clarity. The 1000R curve of this screen means that is has a 1000mm radius, which equates to ~ 39.5" view distance to be at the focal point of the curve where all points on the screen surface are equidistant from you. At that distance the screen delivers about ~ 61 PPD. Imo, the minimum for text subsampling and aggressive AA to be effective enough is no lower than ~ 60 PPD.
From what he described I suspect he is sitting way too close well inside of the curve's radius - looking almost sidelong or at least aslant at the screen and getting a much lower PPD as well - but I wanted to be sure so asked what the view distance was.
@@elvnmagi9048 80-100cm.
I mounted my to the wall, it makes big difference . the multi input will be fixed sooned with and update. Trust me mount to wall let me know if u want to see pics of it mounted to the wall
You lose the ability to rotate correct? I could not twist the mount my hand….
@@EDDocGamer not it rotates in the box it comes with the vesa adapter
Yes I know, but the wall mount doesn’t have any rotation mechanism built in correct?
@@EDDocGamer incorrect. It rotates perfectly
@@Evilclocker From what I've read, samsung includes a 200x200 vesa adapter that still allows the screen to rotate. I'm assuming you wall mounted it to increase your view distance from a desk. That's a good plan.
I wish they release QD OLED version later
I get your point. I own a 48" OLED myself. The Ark is very good though since it's VA with a fairly high density FALD backlight array. However it's not the "infinite" black depth of being able to turn individual oled pixels down through black detail levels in darks all the way through to "off". The black depth of the FALD ark is around ~ 0.02 to ~ 0.03 nit black depth.
The tradeoff with OLED is that it's around 725 to 795 peak HDR color volume/HDR brightness (depending on the model) - so OLED rolls off it's accuracy at 400 or 500nit and compresses the rest of a HDR curve into the last 325 - 400nit. OLED also can't do sustained brightness levels very long, especially of large %'s of the screen in HDR scenes that have large % of the screen at high brightness/HDR color volume. So OLED's ABL kicks in pretty quickly dropping the screen luminance. Modern high end FALD screens can do 1200 to 2000nit and usually with much longer sustained brightness levels vs %'s of the screen than oled and it's ABL reflex kicking in. This ark screen can do 1000nit (HDR10) fully, and can even get up to ~ 1225nit in some content. OLED is great though and per pixel emmissive ultra blacks down to the pixel next to reasonably bright, colorful HDR highlights is very impactful. There are tradeoffs with either tech though, some of which I outlined above.
Me too!!
I’m returning mine in the morning for the same reasons. I thought my ps5 was the culprit. Video will freeze but audio would still continue.
Sucks :(
You spent 3500 on a monitor but play on ps5?
Use supplied cable. I’ve had no glitches at all. Zero.
@@stevenjackson2799 and watch Netflix
my ps5 works fine on my its more likely the cable
So I just got an ark for 950 at auction and I'm not gonna lie I'm torn between reselling this or selling my qd oled alienware
New unit ? I’m seeing 1300
@Jason L. I sold the alienware 🥸 sold it for 800 but those super uw oleds are looking real 👁
Yeah was about to buy one today but now u making me nervous😅
Just buy it from a place with a good return policy just in case….
just go into thinking it is just a Big monitor thats Curved and you will love it.. more features coming soon
No display port is what kept me from getting it!!
How do you feel about the gen 2
I hear it’s supposed to allow for other inputs now. Do you know if it allows multiple inputs at the same time besides one plugged in input and one web app?
@@EDDocGamer yea multi view works correctly now
That should have been version 1 to me
@@EDDocGamer in Cockpit mode, can 1 computer take up the full screen. Or can you split it with just 2 devices instead of 3? Every video i see it always divided into seperate screens. I'm guessing you would recommend the neo g9 over this?
@rob2theworld no idea. Only had version 1
All of the issues that you noted can be fixed with a firmware update. This is Samsung's flagship gaming monitor you know they will push out updates. Plus they already have been in talk about the multi HDMI inputs.
Desk size? Depth? Width?
24x54
@@EDDocGamer thanks!
Returned mine very quicjk
It’s new and most of those things could be fixed with an update 🤔
You do realize there’s a usbc monitor input in the back right?
The documentation says that’s for WebCams or other cameras
@@EDDocGamer I stand corrected! Although I am still obviously going to try when I get a chance though.
@@jessedaly7847 I don’t blame you. It crossed my mind….
So I can’t play in pc und ps5 in the same time…?
I don’t believe so
@@EDDocGamer Okey thanks
😊
with products like these. its best to wait till the 3rd generation. at least for your average user. most of the issues will be ironed out by then.
Couldn’t agree more!
Man not just Mac I have windows 10 gaming PC and I get only 60Hz it's not gaming monitor it's a smart TV I am thinking of returning it
I was able to get the appropriate refresh rate on my PC. I would try a different cable.
So cable that comes with monitor is no good? What GPU you have I have 2080 ?
Oh wow! That’s strange. I have a 3090.
@@EDDocGamer thank you I think I got an ancer to mi problem. So now I believe that it's true that this monitor is working at 165HZ. Cheers mate.
Gotta knock down this review rating due the fact that a majority of the video is so far zoomed into the screen you don't actually see the size/scale of it. The main draw and uniqueness of this monitor is it's presence and space on a desk and I can't even perceive that in this long video. Showing what the screen is displaying through a cell phone(?) lens is worthless unless it's to specifically contast something else in the frame at the same time.
I say this not to be mean, but maybe because you're not too familiar with the platform: the video itself is too choppy and it's shaky at the same time making for a terrible viewing experience. Tripods are cheap so please get two (standing one, and desk sitting one perhaps); and reduce your recording resolution to 1080p and increase your frame rate for UA-cam to 60fps. Lowering to 1080p might even improve your image quality depending on what camera you're using. I've had a 4K IPS calibrated monitor for several years now, and follow photography/videography UA-cam channels that typically have 4k video; but some don't. There are plenty of 1080p videos with far better image quality that I'm seeing in this 4K video. Part of why the image quality is so low is due to compression (and it's not UA-cam's fault), but not all of it. Also, a general product review video should be at most 10-12 mintues long. A detailed review maybe 20 minutes. An in-depth 30 minutes. No one is entertaining enough for UA-cam viewers to watch a video two or three times the length it should be. Your house isn't nice enough, your cat isn't cute enough, your humor and voice aren't soothing enough. Top UA-cam channels don't get that much attention, so you shouldn't expect it either.
To be completely honest, I mainly agree with what you’re saying. My situation was one where I got home from work very late at night, and had no one else to help me film. I’m actually using an $800 Sony camera and not an iPhone to record these videos. I do render the videos at 4K at 24 FPS to have a more cinematic frame rate and not a “home movie smoothness.” Unboxing is exceedingly difficult while holding a camcorder or camera in one hand, and then having only one hand to do the work. I’ve already invested in a tripod, and it will be here shortly, as well as a gimbal for more smooth. You learn more from criticisms than you do your accomplishments. Thanks
You forget another big downside beside this thing with having 2 HDMI inputs at the sametime. For example I want a PC in one part and xbox game pass streaming in another, the monitor wont let me do that. Its only youtube, internet, samsung tw and 2-3 random widgets. At least samsung should let ut use every application within the screen?????
Yep
The reason why I don't buy it, because of lacking Display Port!
Yes
Issue #1 Thats an Apple product, its normal to suffer. Switch to a real platform. Issue #2 honestly all TV SW is horrible even my LG TV is horrible. The real problem is the missing DP, which seems to be a cut down of development cost to just use the already existing TV solution with the one connect. also, the inability to have multiple monitor inputs simultaneously is really bad.
This monitor is too expensive with all this problems
about anything that comes out now a days has issue all issue will be resolved soon
@@Evilclocker yea it could be resolved soon or can be resolved soon on the next model just saying
Why complain? If you don’t want it don’t get it it’s just that easy just saying Lmao 😂
Too shaking.
$3500 plus buggy software. Worthless unless it’s updated. Typical Samsung. Hard pass.
Apple sucks don't blame Samsung
Who games on a Mac anyways bro ? Come on. And Apple being Apple, you are always going to have limited access to everything. Even the framerate. It's our fault that we have been PAMPERING Apple for so long & now they treat us like dipshits. Enjoy.
Spending this kind of money on something should come with MINIMAL issues. I would of returned it too....
Plus.. I don't know man... if I need to get out my old powerlifting belt to put it together.... I would really expect it to work..
I want one though... Maybe if they work out the kinks, but this would be great for my profession.
Why did you take it back mate, what was the issue?
Hummm wonder why he would buy this when he knew before he bought it that it wouldnt work with mac. Something smells
lol yeah no shit its not going to work well on a slow ass mac.
You need a boss as cpu and graphics card to drive that resolution.