Well... Bobby Draper in the books : 2 meters tall (6 foot 5'ish). 100 kilos of muscle. Polynesian Ancestry. Very attractive. Frankie Adams (the actress) : 180 cm's tall (5 foot 11'). Unknown weight (amateur boxer, so not lacking muscles or toughness. She is nowhere near 100 kilos though). Samoan Ancestry. Pretty girl. In terms of getting an actual actress, i think they hit more or less as close as they could possibly get.
She's awesome! Ever since I saw her on screen, she's great! The main/key characters in this show, both men and women were done very well. They're not 2-dimensional; easily relatable and you care about them.
Yes, honestly she is one of the better castings of a “brickhouse Babe” that I’ve seen. Too many times they just cast a regular or even petite sized actress and have her do some weight training and gain 5 pounds (lol). Show Bobby looks like could actually be a military strong military chick
I wish the tv show showed the protomolecule in the way it is described in the books. In the grand scheme of things it isn't a huge difference but I always though the way it is described in the books was so bone chilling and would have been some crazy shit to see on screen
Catching up on the books after watching seasons 1-3, so far my impression is the books do a much better job at plot exposition and conveying the passage of time, the show does a much better job at character exposition. They played up a very interesting dynamic between Amos and Naomi in the show, more readily dropped hints at how his upbringing affected him, and his lack of confidence in making moral decisions. So far in the books he just comes across as a gruff mechanic who bangs hookers and swears a lot.
Spot on. I took up the books after watching the 1st tow seasons on Netflix (we don't have season 3 here in the UK yet) and the same thoughts occurred to me while reading them. Despite the irregularities between them, I find them mutually enjoyable, and the casting for the series is easily on a par with Joss Whedon's Firefly - how ironic that this promising series was facing the same threat!
Sorry for the delay - most definitely I would recommend this series of books. It's very intelligently written, has very engaging characterisation, and a well-paced, absorbing plot.
I disagree with the you tuber tho about the belters. I think he just doesn't get why they are different. Not all belters grow up being rock hoppers or miners. The ones always in tunnels are the tall thin ones, whilst the ones grounded (like ceres) are tall but bulky whilst the miners are stocky and squashy. It's amazing casting. Whomever is the casting director needs to get an award.
Feels like in the books Miller is a bit more of a looser. He's portrayed as not being good at his job at all, just deluded that he is. I like him better in the show.
I haven't read the books but in the show Miller gives off the impression that he knows how to do his job and how to do it well but just doesn't care for it.
He’s just average at his job. His numbers are no better than anyone else in the unit. He’s portrayed as a standard noir cop until it’s revealed that just as in real life that a noir alcoholic cop isn’t very effective as a detective. I prefer the Miller in the books but that goes for just about everything.
Daniel Eastland no not really. I am just about to finish the first book and his colleagues on Ceres said the he was a very good cop until the booze and the break up with cadence. Also at least until now he seems way more professional than in the show. At least this my impression.
Naren Shanker, The Expanse series show runner, has confirmed that while the fourth season will cover the Cibola Burns storyline it will also have other storylines, such as Bobbie's adventures on Mars and elsewhere.
Now that the expanse is coming to amazon prime, naren shankar, one of the show writers, himself confirmed that there will be more brutal scenes and avasarala is gonna fucking curse more in the show.
Kalas82 I’m a little iffy on the writing (the easiest least expensive but most important part of a show). And I think if you don’t want to enhance/adapt for visual media what was in the books (like the character beats) then you should just change the names around and tweak the plot for new characters you want to write. The Amos in the Books and the Amos in the show are not the same character. Why adapt it if you don’t want to translate the characters???
This was great. I've only seen show and my friends only read the books. We had to be extremely careful when talking to each other about the Expanse because we never new where either of us was in the story.
Like your understanding of spoilers and way you present them so you actually don't spoil the books, also your narration and explanation of the series. Cant wait to get into the books!
There was an expanse crew extra show answering fan questions in UA-cam, where they explain that Avasarala couldn't swear in the beginning, but the cursing ban was lifted in second season and she tries to curse as much as possible. And, fuck is her favourite curse word.
Angela Raber I personally highly recommend the novels. They are exceptionally well-written, have far better world building (after all, book has no limitations, or budget, that would limit this part) and are much, much more realistic, especially during space combat. And when it comes to parts revealing some bits about the aliens, there's simply no force in the universe, that could make you stop reading! For me personally, books are simply better than the show (note: I haven't seen season 3 yet), I take books as canon and show is just an addition to me.
The Expanse is one of the few times where I like the show better than the books. I never found the books to be that "brutal." There are tense moments throughout, but it's not the same as ASOFI where things happen unexpectedly and with dramatic finality. I thought of the books as being more PG-13 than a Hard R in that many of the blows by the authors are softened for the reader's sake. I also found that listening to them on audible was way more enjoyable than reading them. but that's just me.
I disagree. It just seems to me they added conflicts that don’t even make sense for the sake of making things action packed in the show when really the books are well written enough that at least I believe they can be interesting on their own.
My feeling is that the books and show complement each other perfectly. This is one of the rare cases where I would suggest watching the show then reading the books. The books fill in some stuff the show glosses over and the slightly different ways things come about are interesting too. If I could only do one then I would pick the show. I am an avid book reader so that is saying something (good about the show, not bad about the books as they are awesome too)
I think it is rather significant that in the books Earth and Mars start out as allies and there's a war between the inners and belters earlier on, while in the show Mars and Earth start off in a cold war already and there is no war between the belt and anyone else.
One major difference I think, is the difference in prax's story between the books and the series, in the books it's very much more fleshed out, where as in the TV show, it kind of becomes coincidence that he meets with the rocinante crew
The thing I dislike the most about the show is how they "beautified" the protomolecule. In the books the whole Eros incident and the hybrids were described as being much more dangerous and horrific, in the show it's like this pretty glowy blue thing, while in the books it's pure nightmare fuel.
Yet you better believe that instead of spending money on practical effects to achieve that horror (which are by far cheaper btw) they spent money on a CG scene where for some reason the clamps on Eros wouldn’t release Rosie because they decided not to attempt to translate the climax from the books which was way more character driven with a “we die here or die getting shot on our way out, so let’s get shot” as opposed to Miller and Holden sitting there waiting for Amos to like make a totally funny comment while they sit there resolved to die? Sorry. It just bothers me.
@@thealucas7247 I just re-watched S1, and I feel like Miller and Holden were near death but kept going forward. Miller and Holden were resting for a minute, just trying to gather some strength before they went looking for where Roci was parked. Really great that Amos found them and yes, I liked the humor. In Sickbay, Amos says, "the AutoDoc keeps trying to set for hospice" -- so it had analyzed and found Holden and Miller were indeed near death. And Alex got his girl [Roci] loose by chucking the "gas storage modules" and getting her back to her Marian corvette appearance! ... so I felt the characters were honored. It was just different. ;3
Katma Tally There is a big difference between “we’re dying so let’s rest for a while until we look for the roci” and “we are dying. I don’t know if the roci is even there. But what I do know is I don’t want to die on my ass”. And maybe you could argue the symbolism of the gas hauler disguise coming off but my point is that if the climax were the same from in the book it would be cheaper and more meaningful for the characters. It’s like if Captain America just decided to sit there and tend to his wounds/rest while Thano’s army stared him down and THEN everyone appeared. Does that make sense?
I feel about Drummer how you do about Bobbie. Those cheekbones! Also the accent, sucks its fake:p And she's 4 book characters... Bull, Michio Pa, Sam Rosenburg, and, of course, herself.
Aj Dembroski I hope they at least put bull, and Michio in as they are both really cool characters and Michio is pretty important when we get to books five and six.
@@whitneylackenbauer9782 BOOK SPOILERS BELOW!!!! its kinda too late for Bull, season 3 covered his whole storyline and Drummer took his place. As for Pa, she only appears in Abaddon's Gate (2nd half of season 3, again, over and replaced by Drummer) and Babylon's Ashes. I would guess there's an ok chance she's there when they get that far because Drummer is still head of Tycho security at that point, but I'm guessing they'll just use Drummer again. Since Pa becomes head of the Transport Union at the end of Babylon's Ashes and Drummer does 30 years later the start of Persepolis Rising, and since Tycho becomes unimportant in the books after Johnson dies, they can make Drummer the one who turns on the Free Navy and then becomes head of the Transport Union. The show wont want to age everyone up 30 years they'll say it's more like 5.
@@adembroski Aging them just 5 years really won´t make any sense, with how far Laconia gets built, how superior their technolgy has become And teresas age
Watched the first season on UA-cam with poor quality videos until it came out on DVD and then purchased it instantly. I signed up for Netflix and have watched the second season, but it seems to stop there. Love this show, great reviews and its very nice to hear another Aussie. Keep up the good work.
Han, Bobby is exactly how I imagined her from the books, Holden was also attracted to her and had pretty weird dialogues on not showing it)) Naomi was supposed to be taller and not curvy though) Holden was thinking of her as a friend first because of that he was not into this type. Also, noone includes that Holden wanted kids and asked Doctor Prax about complications of having kids in space on which they added they their kids or Naomi would never see the earth grandparents.., and Naomi shrugged it though... and Yeah, Avasarala is Brrutal in books, she just looved to show of fer hardcore power, such an awesome character!
I read the books before I knew there was a show. Actually I did not like the books so much, but the show is the best SF I have watched so far. Everything is perfect. Yes, they tried to show some tall and slim belters but it is hard, because there are so many of them. I do not like the looks of Bobby in the show, but the actress is great as Bobby. Amos is my favourite.
I just hope that they aren't trying to set up a romance between Bobbi and Alex on the show! I kinda got that impression during a couple of parts on S3.
They’re planting seeds. They do bond a lot because they’re the only Martians around and neither of them have been around a friendly Martian for a while so it’s logical they would want to get along
the biggest difference I noticed after I started watching the tv show (which was some time after I finished reading Cibola Burn) was in the group dynamics of rocinante crew. I know it's for screen purposes, but... I (at first) disliked how they were much more tv-show-y drama-y hostile to each other, where, as far as I remember, in the books, they were pretty much friends (or at least good aquaintances) from the start, even through the initial shitstorm that got them rocinante. also, producers chickening out from the many zero-g moments and using the stupid magboots instead. which is understandable, but at the same time a bit underwhelming, as it's all of the zero-g movement descriptions (even during downtimes) that give Expanse large chunks of its atmosphere. also, yes, it's holden who gives fred the protomolecule, but he has a heated discussion about it with naomi... except I'm not sure if it's before giving it to him, to decide, or only after, to inform her... he's not too good a strategist and politician, but he gives it to fred for that political reason of leveling the playing field to avoid horrible war, so... i can't remember but I suspect he talks to naomi about it before, and SHE explains to him, that OPA needs to have it too, precisely for these politically-strategic reasons.
I’m only half way in to book 1 but so far I feel like Naomi doesn’t have much of a character. Her defining traits have -She’s a Belter -She’s Holden’s XO -She does some engineering things -She knows Amos will do anything she tells him too Only half those traits are not defined by people around her. I’m kinda disappointed but it just makes me more eager to see season 4. Still enjoying it tho
They really rushed through Abbadon's Gate, with only half a season dedicated to such a deep and complex story. I think it had something to do with the fact that they anticipated the series to be cancelled and wanted to give it sort of an ending. I really hope that they'll dedicate the entire season 4 to the events in Cibola Burn. The story is really cool with regards to commenting on society, politics and our species' behaviour, but also visually they could do such cool stuff...
I saw most of you Expanse vids quite a while ago, but it seems i missed this one, however i always burst out in laughter when you talk about Bobby not only because i feel exactly the same, but also because you say all those things with absolutely no shame! Great vids, Keep up the good work!!
The books describe Alex as older, out of shape balding and browner. I seem to recall Naomi giving Fred the sample in the books but not leaving the Rocinante. I think they will have to have Bobbi very present this season as most of us are here for Bobbi. I have a feeling they will send them some other place that doesn’t happen in the books with Bobbi. Maybe to that planet of gun toters. We might not get that other adventure although I would love to see Okoye on the little screen. I think I’ve watched the show on space uk and aversarala curses much less restrictively in those edits than she does on the US version. I hope amazon follows the UK convention and allow her to curse the entire time😊
I hope that they do have Bobbie off the ship during the events of season four if they track with the events of Cibola Burn. Not only would it be great to see the events of the novella Gods of Risk play out, but I think her presence during the events of Cibola Burn would give the crew of the Rocinante too big of an advantage.
At least to be fair Bobbie has beaten the crap out of EVERYONE that dared to go into a fistfight with her so far.. even other martian marines so at least she is truthfull in that regard.. also Frankie being a boxer helped.. i found hilarious in her fight in season 2 finale people in youtube were complaining that her punches looked fake and miserable ...but she is a boxer so she knows more than well how to punch anyone ..its like Elon Musk said "you can tell its real because it looks so fake"
Katma Tally The relationship I’m the books is professional, Holden becomes captain without question, maybe they’re not close but they respect the chain of command and each other. In the books Amos doesn’t take Holden seriously. He only listens to Naomi and says he doesn’t want to make friends while they go outside to repair the ship (another conflict that completely didn’t make sense, “if we open the doors then we will loose air, the most precious resource in outer space” no let’s fix our radio tower because we wanted to have shots of people outside in space not because it’s practical but to remind you we are in space and space is big and scary”) Look, my gripe isn’t that they changed every word of dialogue and changed all of the characters. My gripe is that I know what good writing and directing looks like in a TV show and for me this show is not an example of it on top of the fact that making it better is entirely within their power and might have been cheaper in a lot of instances! (See the radio repair as exhibit A. Did not need to happen)
I’ve only read the first book, but I’ve found the most noticeable differences is the timeframe. It takes a full two weeks for the Knight to be picked up by the Donnager, while in the show it takes only a few days. It also mentions that a round trip to Saturn takes nearly half a year, while it only takes two or three months in the show.
Apparently, I read an interview with the show runners somewhere that as Season 4 is going to be made for Amazon and not Syfy, they can turn up the swearing and other TV taboos from now on, so Avasarala is going to be a bit more book like from now on hopefully!
JC Woodman same here, just finished tiamat‘s wrath, simply epic. Looking forward for tv season 4. Guess i have to wait 4 years now till the tiamat‘s wrath tv adaption, bummer
@@Anonymous-iw4hx 1/2 done w/ Tiamats wrath... Awesome! No sleep now till I finish... Really, some of the best Sci Fi Adventure going... Super readable effort on the science... solid science but sooooooo readable & thought provoking, what sci fi should be!
Amos is absolutely an upgrade in the show, in the book he is generic badass, the show portrays him with mental deficiencies, mostly in the empathy department, a mix of sociopath and autist.
The books do too, if not more so,. They make a point of him not understanding (or caring) when emotional situations are happening, and repeatedly point out that he uses Naomi and Holden as a moral compasses, especially when he's separated from them for any length of time.
Been a fan of the show since ep1 aired on syfy...Haven't read the books yet, I actually didn't think there was that many until this vid. I'm definitely gonna start reading them, especially since Winds of Winter is no where in sight, (Winter is (not) coming (soon)... Anyway, great vid, & thanks for avoiding spoilers! Btw, as an American, I wholly agree that the censorship is bullshit, although season 1 had all the 'shits & fucks' as you'd like but I guess when the ratings weren't high enough, it wasn't worth the FCC fines. The Magicians has no problems with the language, but that's a popular show. (And a damned good one too!) Oh, and FYI, here in the States, a "brick shithouse" means the same as it does for you, always has in my 40+ years. Thanks again for the vid, keep 'em coming!
1) No Bull or Pa (We had Drummer playing them both). 2) Bobbie was not on the party that went to the Gate so no Bobbie in the books. She was there for the season 2 and the whole defecting from Mars thing. 3) Amos is over wait and balding in the books. 4) Holden gives Fred the protomolicule and confronts Fred about it which get him fired. Then they start a campaign to collect money to get Prax's kid back. This is how they made all of their money. Also how are they going to bring Drummer into the next season as neither Drummer nor Pa are there in book 4?
Right? I was just thinking that the books, while definitely funny at times, are much darker and capture the themes of horror both mundane and cosmic very well. I can only speculate but I suspect it was to keep the rating down (except for the disassembled corpse just now) or to avoid being shoehorned in with all the zombie shows and films currently occupying more than a fair share of airtime. Also I can hear the deadspace ripoff accusations already.
Robert Ban IMO not including the zombies in the show was a good idea because well done is ok but any mistake in the realization and would have degraded the show.
I think that would have been a problem for the production. They are called "vomit zombies" in the book for a reason. They not only would have had problems with that on the set, but even the Standards and Practices people SyFy, or even Amazon, would have only allowed some much of that to me shown.
@@@Max-om7bk Not everything translates though. It was easy in the books: the vics vomited to ensure the spread of the infection. But on TV, a bunch of blue zombie vomiting would look awful and be very gross indeed. Especially if you can get the point across without them.
Patrick W The show CAN have practical effects though. And they’re cheaper too. Doesn’t have to show straight up vomiting zombies (it turns my stomach just thinking about it). Could just be they spot the stuff from their mouth or it oozes from the eyes and nose, maybe mouth too. Just use like chocolate pupping or brownie batter even to ooze a little. It’s not blood so I don’t see how an excessive amount to brown sludge could be against the Standards and practices. I mean they already use the F word right? You can’t just give them a pass because you assume it would be harder. It just means they weren’t creative enough to translate the horror.
I like the world they built- I could watch the series once every 2 years and not be disappointed- or listen to the audible- and get caught back up in that world.. overall- it’s a Karamazov/ Monte Cristo but in the future in space...
Unfortunately I'm not on The Expanse's writing staff so I can't say. But I would assume to humanize his character more and flesh him out a bit. Good spot though. I left that one out of the video.
I'm fairly certain that Avasarala's intel file on Alex in book 1 or 2 mentioned "has a child he doesn't know about". Someone correct me if I'm wrong. I think they created the storyline to add drama and viewer empathy for Alex.
"Alex Kamal, pilot. Seven drunk and disorderlies when he was in his early twenties. Had a son on Mars he still didn’t know about." Caliban's War, page 493.
He has a kid going into university in the newest book of they ditch the giant time skip than they might have had to add the kid in earlier so he can show up.
I think it's pretty safe to say the books are far more brutal. The Donnager in the books fought along side an entire fleet instead of going it alone as it did in the show, and Earth-Mars alliance ends rather quickly and brutally in the books compared to the slow escalation of the Earth-Mars cold war in the show.
Imagine if Belters had more Australian heritage. It would make some sense given Australia's history in mining industry for a lot of Aussies to wind up in the belt. Bet you a bucket of proto goo that they would be Belta Carnt instead of Belta Lowda.
I definitely picked up the difference in the way the crew interact with each other. But then TV show and film scripts are all just basically a summary of conflictual events. If I remember correctly, Miller's partner is killed in the show, but survives in the book.
Some minor details from the books. Avasarala is not even in book 1; she and Alex are both much older. Amos is bald. The fate of some minor season 1 characters are forgotten in the books, but iirc not the show.
I hope Season 4 is not just Cibola Burn. 3 or 4 episodes will cover the main points well enough. Then we can get to the supper exciting Nemesis Games, with Peaches!
They should leave Bobby Draper out of season 4, at least from the main stuff that is happening on and around the new world, they could have callbacks to the Sol system which I guess they are going to have to do for Avasarala if they still want her in it anyway. She doesn't have to stay onbord the Roci as there is a significant time gap between book 3 and book 4. She's back with a decent role for book 5 and we find out what she's been doing during the time gap, so they could put some of that background into season 4 without messing it up by having her around. So much of book 4 is ground based action, having another professional combat expert around would unbalance the action I think, or at least make the writing to keep her out of the fray feel forced.
There's not really. The books are far more dense, but with season 1 they took elements from Book 1 and 2 and put them together, so they kinda have more story lines in the season 1 because they took stuff from book 2. The books get way more busy later on :)
I think the only part of the show I dont like is that tension between the crew, it's not like it's unrealistic I'd say the things they went through to get to the roci and the things they continually go through in the plot could easily breed that tension rather than a familial bond, but I like that near unshakable family feel a lot more, tagged along with that I like book amos an order of magnitude more, but I dont really dislike tv amos
I really want to ask James SA Corey if the little character changes are them changing the cannon in their minds stage. Because they keep saying they have a lot of involvement and say in the script writing and production of the movies. So it is like after years of writing they feel better with this changes?
SnowToad tv shows and movies always have to be different than books. IMHO! Some things just don`t work well when filmed. Also the episode pasing change the things you can do in books aka timing will change and so on. Books tends to have more characters. Agot and Expanse have combinated Many characters to few.
thank you, I was searching for this quite the time I miss Sam from book 3 in season 3, in my opinion she was replaced by Naomi and partly Drummer as well seeing from the 2 characters relationship and some tech knowledge, sadly she died so she was irrelevant in long term but great character in the book
I'm interested as to where Miller could go. Seeing him come back in season 3 was interesting but I'd be happy to see the detective again and I have a feeling that as the protomolecule becomes less of an amorphous alien danger and more is understood, he could play a bigger part in how it interacts with humans using the ring gates.
So, I've watched all three seasons and I can't wait for the fourth one to come out to continue with the story. Should I read now the 4th book or is it better if I start again since the first one?
Rewatched season 1 after reading couple of first books. Did not like how Miller story line was portrayed. It's a shame they left out reduced crime, crowd control armor missing and other key events on Ceres. Also both Ceres and Eros felt smaller than they were in books.
Muntis Grube Yeah. The worldbuilding is almost always far inferior in a show because of the time you can dedicate to it in a book, as well as the ability to depict internal thoughts and narrative without being boring or weird.
My biggest gripe with the Miller story line was that they just couldn't help themselves with the love angle with his colleague. In the books, Whatsherface despised Miller and there was nothing romantic going on either way, certainly not from her side. Yet the show just has to have a teary goodbye when Miller leaves for Eros anyway. His whole thing was that he was an isolated loner who didn't get on with anyone, and that Julie Mao, who he had never met, became his personal angel. He would rather die with her on Eros than live with the rest of the world. Largely because nobody liked him, including the female police officer on Ceres. Still a great character on the show, and the casting is perfect. It's just better in the book.
Muntis Grube yeah they lower the population numbers of the stations majorly for some reason. Inside the books Eros had a population of over three million and in the book it has only 250 thousand.
The books emphasize much more how careful belters are about resources. Belters react long before acute scarcity - any threat of future scarcity is a Critical Life Or Death Matter.
also they way the books are written is interesting and gives a different look at the story then the show. For example the first book flips between Holden and Miller the hole time and is told from only there point of view and the other people on the Roci seem more a side characters then main characters.
Kamelot don't it is one of the worst in the series, it serves kind of as a transition book from the inter system wars of the first trilogy to the intergalactic colonization of the other four books
Am I the only one who thinks the show is actually better than the books? That’s almost never the case. Books are almost always more complete and fleshed out. But I think the show runners really took the opportunity to improve on the books in this case, and I suspect that’s because the book authors wanted to do stuff on the show they hadn’t gotten to in the books. After reading them I’m very happy I did but honestly I’m just pleasantly surprised how many good decisions the show runners made.
It is unfortunate that the "SyFy" channel has nothing to do with SciFi. (And these "Teen Age Mutant TV Programmers" are addicted to "Sharknado," a substance made from Great White shark droppings.;) At Least "The Expanse" won't go the way of "Firefly" or "Almost Human." As for using "colorful metaphors," swearing every other word and using Jacqueline Suzann as a dialogue coach, this makes the characters and the culture of SciFi world X seem stupid/coarse/exhibtionistic. (Whenever I come across a movie where the characters "swear like sailors/young soldiers/"bottom feeders," these are the first to die horrible deaths "when the wolves arrive to thin the herd.";) Rod Serling and Ray Bradbury were on the same wavelength, creatively, but turning a character's thoughts or dark humor in literature to 24-30 frames/second video is tricky/hard/impossible. (Rod Serling also wasn't known for comedy in "The Twilight Zone.) As a Mel Brooks character mentioned: "Drama, that's easy. Comedy, that's hard."
I can't say that I have 100% recall of these details, but I feel like Amos, Alex and Avasarala are all older in the books. Especially Amos. I *think* he was described as being in his 40s at the start of the series whereas the guy that plays him is in his early 30s at the oldest.
I think it’s because the books take place over like 20 something years. Obviously they don’t wanna take 20 years to make a tv show, so they just averaged out the age I guess.
Love the bad ass gals. Love Bobbie from the start in that suit I was like wow Mars bad ass Amazonian type warrior gal. Big & strong. She is not hot or gorgeous, but cool. She isn't ugly. She just is okay. They all are. She was funny cussing, but I was shocked at first. Too much. Glad the last episode was better & didn't need all that.
It's very close to me. Excellent casting, fx, music etc. I have forgiven them for not finding enough eight foot people to play Belters. It is an unrealistic demand for any number of reasons, mostly that people aren't that tall and the FX for it would automatically look weird. But for once a TV show actually sticks to the story without adding garbage and removing detail because viewers might get "confused". I stopped watching it a few seasons back, but whoever is writing Game of Thrones has a lot to learn from this show. #Stannis is not dead. Also, Brienne of Tarth apparently is, and therefore not Wonder Woman of the North.Just saying.
@@@darktwistedlady She had her head in a noose and that's the last word written about Brienne of Tarth. She yelled "sword". but you have no idea what that achieved, because the chapter stopped there. Maybe they ignored her. Maybe they hanged her so she could be resurrected as Zombie-Brienne. You don't know. No one does. What we do know is that she did not become Wonder Woman of the North with Sansa. They made that up as one of their crazy-feminist statements. The TV writers apparently love those, which is the main reason I stopped watching the show. i finally got it: all men are evil or stupid, all women are perfect or victims no matter what they do, and obviously all the female characters are going to survive while all the male ones die. This is the problem with fanatics: they're boring and predictable.
Well, that was quick. Hey, how about Electric Dreams, new sci fi Amazon/BBC show? New, science fiction, and nobody has done a thing on it. Seems like it's your specialty exactly :)
Jake's Place wouldn't exactly call it top notch or anything like that, but worth a shot. One may even say there can be only one Black Mirror. Speaking about it - do an opinion piece on it too mate.
Avasarala isn't a diplomat, she's a politician. She curses much more and worse in the books, so the men in power won't discover that she really is a softie, aka not another psycopat like the rest.
Oh yeah. Spoilers for first 3 books and first 3 seasons. My advice to you would be to read the first book. Then watch the first season. Then read the second and third book and all the novellas from that time. Then watch the second and third season. Then read all the rest of the books before season 4 haha! Have fun buddy!
Got it! Read 1st book, watch first season, dance in a circle, throw salt around, read 2nd season, sacrifice a bunny rabbit after getting it really drunk on cheap beer, watch second book and so on and so forth... Your the best Jake.
Doesn't the TV show play up the poverty level on earth significantly compared to the books? In the books when Bobby is trying to find the ocean, she goes into a coffee shop. In the TV show, it seems like everyone is living on the streets.
Jak Crow Not really. The books had a similar depiction. It was described that most on Earth could not have jobs because there just weren't enough of them, and couldn't be, because there's way too many people and most manufacturing is automated (a history we're seeing emerge right now...), and basic only covers, well, basics. There's not enough housing to go around, so they'll be on the streets.
We're pretty confused about the whole language versus gore versus nudity disparity, too. And on UA-cam, it's the other way around for some reason. We can say shitty poopy fuck face all day long, but one nipple and you're banned for life!
Well...
Bobby Draper in the books :
2 meters tall (6 foot 5'ish).
100 kilos of muscle.
Polynesian Ancestry.
Very attractive.
Frankie Adams (the actress) :
180 cm's tall (5 foot 11').
Unknown weight (amateur boxer, so not lacking muscles or toughness. She is nowhere near 100 kilos though).
Samoan Ancestry.
Pretty girl.
In terms of getting an actual actress, i think they hit more or less as close as they could possibly get.
Admittedly, her character earned my respect
She's awesome! Ever since I saw her on screen, she's great! The main/key characters in this show, both men and women were done very well. They're not 2-dimensional; easily relatable and you care about them.
Complaint aside, can you think of any woman who is 6" 5' and can act ?
Yes, honestly she is one of the better castings of a “brickhouse Babe” that I’ve seen. Too many times they just cast a regular or even petite sized actress and have her do some weight training and gain 5 pounds (lol). Show Bobby looks like could actually be a military strong military chick
tbh they should have just hired gabi garcia, would have been perfect for the role
I wish the tv show showed the protomolecule in the way it is described in the books. In the grand scheme of things it isn't a huge difference but I always though the way it is described in the books was so bone chilling and would have been some crazy shit to see on screen
Yeah I suppose the creative heads said something in a meeting like "It needs to be more science fictiony", so they made it all blue and glowing haha
Catching up on the books after watching seasons 1-3, so far my impression is the books do a much better job at plot exposition and conveying the passage of time, the show does a much better job at character exposition. They played up a very interesting dynamic between Amos and Naomi in the show, more readily dropped hints at how his upbringing affected him, and his lack of confidence in making moral decisions. So far in the books he just comes across as a gruff mechanic who bangs hookers and swears a lot.
I ultimately prefer the Amos in the books. The guy who reads in the audio book has more personality and better acting than the guy in the show XD
I really liked how Drummer took on Bull's role on season 3, even teasing that they would have the same fate. But then they surprise you.
Nah
Spot on. I took up the books after watching the 1st tow seasons on Netflix (we don't have season 3 here in the UK yet) and the same thoughts occurred to me while reading them. Despite the irregularities between them, I find them mutually enjoyable, and the casting for the series is easily on a par with Joss Whedon's Firefly - how ironic that this promising series was facing the same threat!
Damo Bloggs would you advise getting the books? Want a good scifi series to read while waiting for the next Stephen Baxter book.
Dale Plays Games yes 100%. There are 7 books so you can binge as well
Sorry for the delay - most definitely I would recommend this series of books. It's very intelligently written, has very engaging characterisation, and a well-paced, absorbing plot.
Morteus watch season 3 on showbox or watch it on 123movies website
I disagree with the you tuber tho about the belters. I think he just doesn't get why they are different. Not all belters grow up being rock hoppers or miners. The ones always in tunnels are the tall thin ones, whilst the ones grounded (like ceres) are tall but bulky whilst the miners are stocky and squashy. It's amazing casting. Whomever is the casting director needs to get an award.
Love that you explain the difference without spoilers. I plan to read the book now that we are waiting for season 4.
After I saw the first season I fell in love and smashed the books. They are fantastic.
Feels like in the books Miller is a bit more of a looser. He's portrayed as not being good at his job at all, just deluded that he is.
I like him better in the show.
I haven't read the books but in the show Miller gives off the impression that he knows how to do his job and how to do it well but just doesn't care for it.
He’s just average at his job. His numbers are no better than anyone else in the unit. He’s portrayed as a standard noir cop until it’s revealed that just as in real life that a noir alcoholic cop isn’t very effective as a detective. I prefer the Miller in the books but that goes for just about everything.
Daniel Eastland no not really. I am just about to finish the first book and his colleagues on Ceres said the he was a very good cop until the booze and the break up with cadence. Also at least until now he seems way more professional than in the show. At least this my impression.
The TV show has MUCH BETTER character development.
hamobu no it does not.
The Holden is much better in the books! Much less heroic and I like that!
Nah
lol, season 1 Holden made me drop the show. Glad that I decided to dive into books instead, because he is my favorite character in the series now.
"Avasaralalala..." hahaha I had the the problem with her last name. And Anna's too... Volovodovodovovsomething
The actresses RL Name is even worse xD
Voldemort?
Because you are't russian. I'm russian and i understand her surname. Volovodov or Воловодов(а). You see? No problem.
Ah-VAH-sa-rah-lah.
Vo-LOH-voh-dov.
Not so hard if you take a minute.
@@katmatally yeah, so? I said I "had" this problem, after a few times hearing the names I got them right. It's not a dick, don't take it so hard.
Naren Shanker, The Expanse series show runner, has confirmed that while the fourth season will cover the Cibola Burns storyline it will also have other storylines, such as Bobbie's adventures on Mars and elsewhere.
Neato!
Wait did it get renewed, I heard it got cancelled but who knows. It could of been renewed after getting cancelled.
Yeah it got renewed by Amazon baby! WOoOEoeoO: ua-cam.com/video/uD-hmpyu03Q/v-deo.html
Jake's Place yea I checked once I commented, whoo I'm excited I was disappointed when I found it got cancelled!!
I was gutted. What kind of foolish fool cancels arguably the best Sci Fi currently airing!?
I actually really wanted Bull in the show. I thought he was a cool character.
I couldn't agree more. I can't believe the left bull out of the show. He was favorite character from Abaddon's Gate.
They’ve introduced him now in Season 5 and I think they’ve done him justice
@@evanholdsworth6804 I've yet to watch season 5 but that's awesome.
Now that the expanse is coming to amazon prime, naren shankar, one of the show writers, himself confirmed that there will be more brutal scenes and avasarala is gonna fucking curse more in the show.
probably my favorite Show. and one of the best book adaptations (Interpretation) out there. amazing acting, sound-design, art-design and writing.
Kalas82 I’m a little iffy on the writing (the easiest least expensive but most important part of a show). And I think if you don’t want to enhance/adapt for visual media what was in the books (like the character beats) then you should just change the names around and tweak the plot for new characters you want to write. The Amos in the Books and the Amos in the show are not the same character. Why adapt it if you don’t want to translate the characters???
This was great. I've only seen show and my friends only read the books. We had to be extremely careful when talking to each other about the Expanse because we never new where either of us was in the story.
Like your understanding of spoilers and way you present them so you actually don't spoil the books, also your narration and explanation of the series. Cant wait to get into the books!
There was an expanse crew extra show answering fan questions in UA-cam, where they explain that Avasarala couldn't swear in the beginning, but the cursing ban was lifted in second season and she tries to curse as much as possible. And, fuck is her favourite curse word.
Great video! Makes me want to read the books even more. Thanks for being so vigilant about spoilers!
Angela Raber I personally highly recommend the novels. They are exceptionally well-written, have far better world building (after all, book has no limitations, or budget, that would limit this part) and are much, much more realistic, especially during space combat. And when it comes to parts revealing some bits about the aliens, there's simply no force in the universe, that could make you stop reading!
For me personally, books are simply better than the show (note: I haven't seen season 3 yet), I take books as canon and show is just an addition to me.
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The Expanse is one of the few times where I like the show better than the books. I never found the books to be that "brutal." There are tense moments throughout, but it's not the same as ASOFI where things happen unexpectedly and with dramatic finality. I thought of the books as being more PG-13 than a Hard R in that many of the blows by the authors are softened for the reader's sake. I also found that listening to them on audible was way more enjoyable than reading them. but that's just me.
I disagree. It just seems to me they added conflicts that don’t even make sense for the sake of making things action packed in the show when really the books are well written enough that at least I believe they can be interesting on their own.
My feeling is that the books and show complement each other perfectly. This is one of the rare cases where I would suggest watching the show then reading the books. The books fill in some stuff the show glosses over and the slightly different ways things come about are interesting too. If I could only do one then I would pick the show. I am an avid book reader so that is saying something (good about the show, not bad about the books as they are awesome too)
I think it is rather significant that in the books Earth and Mars start out as allies and there's a war between the inners and belters earlier on, while in the show Mars and Earth start off in a cold war already and there is no war between the belt and anyone else.
One major difference I think, is the difference in prax's story between the books and the series, in the books it's very much more fleshed out, where as in the TV show, it kind of becomes coincidence that he meets with the rocinante crew
5:47 2 halves? So the entire thing?
Good catch haha
The thing I dislike the most about the show is how they "beautified" the protomolecule. In the books the whole Eros incident and the hybrids were described as being much more dangerous and horrific, in the show it's like this pretty glowy blue thing, while in the books it's pure nightmare fuel.
Totally agree. In the books it sounded totally horrifying and disgusting.
They were basically zombies in the book and zombies in the TV world are so played out it made sense to change it.
Yet you better believe that instead of spending money on practical effects to achieve that horror (which are by far cheaper btw) they spent money on a CG scene where for some reason the clamps on Eros wouldn’t release Rosie because they decided not to attempt to translate the climax from the books which was way more character driven with a “we die here or die getting shot on our way out, so let’s get shot” as opposed to Miller and Holden sitting there waiting for Amos to like make a totally funny comment while they sit there resolved to die? Sorry. It just bothers me.
@@thealucas7247 I just re-watched S1, and I feel like Miller and Holden were near death but kept going forward. Miller and Holden were resting for a minute, just trying to gather some strength before they went looking for where Roci was parked. Really great that Amos found them and yes, I liked the humor. In Sickbay, Amos says, "the AutoDoc keeps trying to set for hospice" -- so it had analyzed and found Holden and Miller were indeed near death. And Alex got his girl [Roci] loose by chucking the "gas storage modules" and getting her back to her Marian corvette appearance! ... so I felt the characters were honored. It was just different. ;3
Katma Tally There is a big difference between “we’re dying so let’s rest for a while until we look for the roci” and “we are dying. I don’t know if the roci is even there. But what I do know is I don’t want to die on my ass”. And maybe you could argue the symbolism of the gas hauler disguise coming off but my point is that if the climax were the same from in the book it would be cheaper and more meaningful for the characters. It’s like if Captain America just decided to sit there and tend to his wounds/rest while Thano’s army stared him down and THEN everyone appeared. Does that make sense?
I feel about Drummer how you do about Bobbie. Those cheekbones! Also the accent, sucks its fake:p
And she's 4 book characters... Bull, Michio Pa, Sam Rosenburg, and, of course, herself.
Aj Dembroski I hope they at least put bull, and Michio in as they are both really cool characters and Michio is pretty important when we get to books five and six.
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its kinda too late for Bull, season 3 covered his whole storyline and Drummer took his place. As for Pa, she only appears in Abaddon's Gate (2nd half of season 3, again, over and replaced by Drummer) and Babylon's Ashes. I would guess there's an ok chance she's there when they get that far because Drummer is still head of Tycho security at that point, but I'm guessing they'll just use Drummer again.
Since Pa becomes head of the Transport Union at the end of Babylon's Ashes and Drummer does 30 years later the start of Persepolis Rising, and since Tycho becomes unimportant in the books after Johnson dies, they can make Drummer the one who turns on the Free Navy and then becomes head of the Transport Union. The show wont want to age everyone up 30 years they'll say it's more like 5.
@@adembroski Aging them just 5 years really won´t make any sense, with how far Laconia gets built, how superior their technolgy has become
And teresas age
Watched the first season on UA-cam with poor quality videos until it came out on DVD and then purchased it instantly. I signed up for Netflix and have watched the second season, but it seems to stop there. Love this show, great reviews and its very nice to hear another Aussie. Keep up the good work.
Amazon bought it for season 3 I think. Check there!
Han, Bobby is exactly how I imagined her from the books, Holden was also attracted to her and had pretty weird dialogues on not showing it)) Naomi was supposed to be taller and not curvy though) Holden was thinking of her as a friend first because of that he was not into this type. Also, noone includes that Holden wanted kids and asked Doctor Prax about complications of having kids in space on which they added they their kids or Naomi would never see the earth grandparents.., and Naomi shrugged it though... and Yeah, Avasarala is Brrutal in books, she just looved to show of fer hardcore power, such an awesome character!
I read the books before I knew there was a show. Actually I did not like the books so much, but the show is the best SF I have watched so far. Everything is perfect. Yes, they tried to show some tall and slim belters but it is hard, because there are so many of them. I do not like the looks of Bobby in the show, but the actress is great as Bobby. Amos is my favourite.
I just hope that they aren't trying to set up a romance between Bobbi and Alex on the show! I kinda got that impression during a couple of parts on S3.
I mean, they're setting it up in the later books too, its just taken longer
@@declanbennett1085 yeah but their relationship was on the friends mode. Also, they are both from Mars, so...
They’re planting seeds. They do bond a lot because they’re the only Martians around and neither of them have been around a friendly Martian for a while so it’s logical they would want to get along
the biggest difference I noticed after I started watching the tv show (which was some time after I finished reading Cibola Burn) was in the group dynamics of rocinante crew. I know it's for screen purposes, but... I (at first) disliked how they were much more tv-show-y drama-y hostile to each other, where, as far as I remember, in the books, they were pretty much friends (or at least good aquaintances) from the start, even through the initial shitstorm that got them rocinante.
also, producers chickening out from the many zero-g moments and using the stupid magboots instead. which is understandable, but at the same time a bit underwhelming, as it's all of the zero-g movement descriptions (even during downtimes) that give Expanse large chunks of its atmosphere.
also, yes, it's holden who gives fred the protomolecule, but he has a heated discussion about it with naomi... except I'm not sure if it's before giving it to him, to decide, or only after, to inform her... he's not too good a strategist and politician, but he gives it to fred for that political reason of leveling the playing field to avoid horrible war, so... i can't remember but I suspect he talks to naomi about it before, and SHE explains to him, that OPA needs to have it too, precisely for these politically-strategic reasons.
thanks for the recap - hope season 4 is fun
The book is good. There's some really freaky shit in it. HEHEHEHE
I’m only half way in to book 1 but so far I feel like Naomi doesn’t have much of a character. Her defining traits have
-She’s a Belter
-She’s Holden’s XO
-She does some engineering things
-She knows Amos will do anything she tells him too
Only half those traits are not defined by people around her. I’m kinda disappointed but it just makes me more eager to see season 4. Still enjoying it tho
They really rushed through Abbadon's Gate, with only half a season dedicated to such a deep and complex story. I think it had something to do with the fact that they anticipated the series to be cancelled and wanted to give it sort of an ending. I really hope that they'll dedicate the entire season 4 to the events in Cibola Burn. The story is really cool with regards to commenting on society, politics and our species' behaviour, but also visually they could do such cool stuff...
I saw most of you Expanse vids quite a while ago, but it seems i missed this one, however i always burst out in laughter when you talk about Bobby not only because i feel exactly the same, but also because you say all those things with absolutely no shame! Great vids, Keep up the good work!!
More Bobbi is good. Cara Gee is fantastic as Drummer but the one big change that I find jarring is the omission of Bull, I really liked that guy.
The books describe Alex as older, out of shape balding and browner. I seem to recall Naomi giving Fred the sample in the books but not leaving the Rocinante. I think they will have to have Bobbi very present this season as most of us are here for Bobbi. I have a feeling they will send them some other place that doesn’t happen in the books with Bobbi. Maybe to that planet of gun toters. We might not get that other adventure although I would love to see Okoye on the little screen. I think I’ve watched the show on space uk and aversarala curses much less restrictively in those edits than she does on the US version. I hope amazon follows the UK convention and allow her to curse the entire time😊
I hope that they do have Bobbie off the ship during the events of season four if they track with the events of Cibola Burn. Not only would it be great to see the events of the novella Gods of Risk play out, but I think her presence during the events of Cibola Burn would give the crew of the Rocinante too big of an advantage.
murtry wouldn't have much luck if she has the power armor i imagine lol
Seriously cannot wait for book 5 to come to the show, best of the books so far.
Thirdofherne wait until you read six and seven
And that means that They kill the show after court or fift season?
bobbie snu snu squad
it is THE wae my fren
"We should make it look like I didn't help you voluntarily. Think you can rough me up a bit?"
At least to be fair Bobbie has beaten the crap out of EVERYONE that dared to go into a fistfight with her so far.. even other martian marines so at least she is truthfull in that regard.. also Frankie being a boxer helped.. i found hilarious in her fight in season 2 finale people in youtube were complaining that her punches looked fake and miserable ...but she is a boxer so she knows more than well how to punch anyone ..its like Elon Musk said "you can tell its real because it looks so fake"
Shame she can not act.
@@stuartcarson9378 I don't mind her acting one bit.. She fine as hell!!
Oh, I do hope Bobby [ possible spoiler ] Rocinante! Respect and love her character
I miss the humor of the books in the show, and the fun moments, and the crew feeling like a family
Muad'dib2288 agreed. Everyone is like an angsty teenager always angry and dysfunctional with one another to manufacture conflict
I get plenty of humor from the show. And the crew is bonding in Seasons 1 and 2 until they can't imagine life without each other.
Katma Tally The relationship I’m the books is professional, Holden becomes captain without question, maybe they’re not close but they respect the chain of command and each other. In the books Amos doesn’t take Holden seriously. He only listens to Naomi and says he doesn’t want to make friends while they go outside to repair the ship (another conflict that completely didn’t make sense, “if we open the doors then we will loose air, the most precious resource in outer space” no let’s fix our radio tower because we wanted to have shots of people outside in space not because it’s practical but to remind you we are in space and space is big and scary”)
Look, my gripe isn’t that they changed every word of dialogue and changed all of the characters. My gripe is that I know what good writing and directing looks like in a TV show and for me this show is not an example of it on top of the fact that making it better is entirely within their power and might have been cheaper in a lot of instances! (See the radio repair as exhibit A. Did not need to happen)
I’ve only read the first book, but I’ve found the most noticeable differences is the timeframe. It takes a full two weeks for the Knight to be picked up by the Donnager, while in the show it takes only a few days. It also mentions that a round trip to Saturn takes nearly half a year, while it only takes two or three months in the show.
Apparently, I read an interview with the show runners somewhere that as Season 4 is going to be made for Amazon and not Syfy, they can turn up the swearing and other TV taboos from now on, so Avasarala is going to be a bit more book like from now on hopefully!
The shows first season got me to read the books which are AWESOME!
Show does a good job, lots o characters mashed together into one etc.
JC Woodman same here, just finished tiamat‘s wrath, simply epic. Looking forward for tv season 4.
Guess i have to wait 4 years now till the tiamat‘s wrath tv adaption, bummer
@@Anonymous-iw4hx 1/2 done w/ Tiamats wrath...
Awesome! No sleep now till I finish...
Really, some of the best Sci Fi Adventure going... Super readable effort on the science... solid science but sooooooo readable & thought provoking, what sci fi should be!
Amos is absolutely an upgrade in the show, in the book he is generic badass, the show portrays him with mental deficiencies, mostly in the empathy department, a mix of sociopath and autist.
I agree completely!
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The books do too, if not more so,. They make a point of him not understanding (or caring) when emotional situations are happening, and repeatedly point out that he uses Naomi and Holden as a moral compasses, especially when he's separated from them for any length of time.
have you read the books? because hes the same way in the books, especially if you read his novella
This is exactly how he was in the books too. Nothing generic about him.
Been a fan of the show since ep1 aired on syfy...Haven't read the books yet, I actually didn't think there was that many until this vid. I'm definitely gonna start reading them, especially since Winds of Winter is no where in sight, (Winter is (not) coming (soon)...
Anyway, great vid, & thanks for avoiding spoilers!
Btw, as an American, I wholly agree that the censorship is bullshit, although season 1 had all the 'shits & fucks' as you'd like but I guess when the ratings weren't high enough, it wasn't worth the FCC fines. The Magicians has no problems with the language, but that's a popular show. (And a damned good one too!)
Oh, and FYI, here in the States, a "brick shithouse" means the same as it does for you, always has in my 40+ years.
Thanks again for the vid, keep 'em coming!
1) No Bull or Pa (We had Drummer playing them both). 2) Bobbie was not on the party that went to the Gate so no Bobbie in the books. She was there for the season 2 and the whole defecting from Mars thing. 3) Amos is over wait and balding in the books. 4) Holden gives Fred the protomolicule and confronts Fred about it which get him fired. Then they start a campaign to collect money to get Prax's kid back. This is how they made all of their money. Also how are they going to bring Drummer into the next season as neither Drummer nor Pa are there in book 4?
Protomotecule Zombies. if the show was going for a darker tone, then including the Zombies in season 1 would have helped
Right? I was just thinking that the books, while definitely funny at times, are much darker and capture the themes of horror both mundane and cosmic very well.
I can only speculate but I suspect it was to keep the rating down (except for the disassembled corpse just now) or to avoid being shoehorned in with all the zombie shows and films currently occupying more than a fair share of airtime. Also I can hear the deadspace ripoff accusations already.
Robert Ban IMO not including the zombies in the show was a good idea because well done is ok but any mistake in the realization and would have degraded the show.
I think that would have been a problem for the production. They are called "vomit zombies" in the book for a reason. They not only would have had problems with that on the set, but even the Standards and Practices people SyFy, or even Amazon, would have only allowed some much of that to me shown.
@@@Max-om7bk Not everything translates though. It was easy in the books: the vics vomited to ensure the spread of the infection. But on TV, a bunch of blue zombie vomiting would look awful and be very gross indeed. Especially if you can get the point across without them.
Patrick W The show CAN have practical effects though. And they’re cheaper too. Doesn’t have to show straight up vomiting zombies (it turns my stomach just thinking about it). Could just be they spot the stuff from their mouth or it oozes from the eyes and nose, maybe mouth too. Just use like chocolate pupping or brownie batter even to ooze a little. It’s not blood so I don’t see how an excessive amount to brown sludge could be against the Standards and practices. I mean they already use the F word right? You can’t just give them a pass because you assume it would be harder. It just means they weren’t creative enough to translate the horror.
I like the world they built- I could watch the series once every 2 years and not be disappointed- or listen to the audible- and get caught back up in that world.. overall- it’s a Karamazov/ Monte Cristo but in the future in space...
Why does Alex have a child in the show, but not the books?
Unfortunately I'm not on The Expanse's writing staff so I can't say. But I would assume to humanize his character more and flesh him out a bit. Good spot though. I left that one out of the video.
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Makes sense
I'm fairly certain that Avasarala's intel file on Alex in book 1 or 2 mentioned "has a child he doesn't know about". Someone correct me if I'm wrong. I think they created the storyline to add drama and viewer empathy for Alex.
"Alex Kamal, pilot. Seven drunk and disorderlies when he was in his early twenties. Had a son on Mars he still didn’t know about." Caliban's War, page 493.
He has a kid going into university in the newest book of they ditch the giant time skip than they might have had to add the kid in earlier so he can show up.
Prax is much different in the show. I liked him much more in the books!
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I think it's pretty safe to say the books are far more brutal. The Donnager in the books fought along side an entire fleet instead of going it alone as it did in the show, and Earth-Mars alliance ends rather quickly and brutally in the books compared to the slow escalation of the Earth-Mars cold war in the show.
Daniel Abraham and Ty Franck are also the writers of the book with the pseudonyme of James S. Corey: @
That look Bobbie sent Alex as she was strapping in at the end of season 3.....OMG, that made my knees weak.
Bobbie is the funniest character in book 2 in my opinion. Some of her lines just make me laugh out loud.
Imagine if Belters had more Australian heritage. It would make some sense given Australia's history in mining industry for a lot of Aussies to wind up in the belt. Bet you a bucket of proto goo that they would be Belta Carnt instead of Belta Lowda.
Jack Blades like Cooper in the Edric Davies narration of Cibola Burn had an Aussie accent, and instead of Sasa Ke it would just be “Hey”
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Camina Drummer's specific accent it's a very weird bit of sexy.
I definitely picked up the difference in the way the crew interact with each other. But then TV show and film scripts are all just basically a summary of conflictual events.
If I remember correctly, Miller's partner is killed in the show, but survives in the book.
can we get a discussion of the rest of the books???????
Some minor details from the books. Avasarala is not even in book 1; she and Alex are both much older. Amos is bald. The fate of some minor season 1 characters are forgotten in the books, but iirc not the show.
I hope Season 4 is not just Cibola Burn. 3 or 4 episodes will cover the main points well enough. Then we can get to the supper exciting Nemesis Games, with Peaches!
Also the last time we get to see Miller though, so maybe do a whole season of it anyway?
0:48 When I see a dude strike a pose like that, I tend to take what he says seriously. Jokes aside, spot on, mate, thanks for the vid!
They should leave Bobby Draper out of season 4, at least from the main stuff that is happening on and around the new world, they could have callbacks to the Sol system which I guess they are going to have to do for Avasarala if they still want her in it anyway. She doesn't have to stay onbord the Roci as there is a significant time gap between book 3 and book 4. She's back with a decent role for book 5 and we find out what she's been doing during the time gap, so they could put some of that background into season 4 without messing it up by having her around. So much of book 4 is ground based action, having another professional combat expert around would unbalance the action I think, or at least make the writing to keep her out of the fray feel forced.
I just read the first book and was surprised that there was so much more in the series than the book. It is usually the other way around.
There's not really. The books are far more dense, but with season 1 they took elements from Book 1 and 2 and put them together, so they kinda have more story lines in the season 1 because they took stuff from book 2. The books get way more busy later on :)
Just finished Timats Wrath, and boy you need to keep reading!
While reading the books (prior to the show); i was imagining Gwendoline Christie as Bobbie.
I think the only part of the show I dont like is that tension between the crew, it's not like it's unrealistic I'd say the things they went through to get to the roci and the things they continually go through in the plot could easily breed that tension rather than a familial bond, but I like that near unshakable family feel a lot more, tagged along with that I like book amos an order of magnitude more, but I dont really dislike tv amos
I really want to ask James SA Corey if the little character changes are them changing the cannon in their minds stage. Because they keep saying they have a lot of involvement and say in the script writing and production of the movies. So it is like after years of writing they feel better with this changes?
SnowToad tv shows and movies always have to be different than books. IMHO!
Some things just don`t work well when filmed. Also the episode pasing change the things you can do in books aka timing will change and so on. Books tends to have more characters. Agot and Expanse have combinated Many characters to few.
thank you, I was searching for this quite the time
I miss Sam from book 3 in season 3, in my opinion she was replaced by Naomi and partly Drummer as well seeing from the 2 characters relationship and some tech knowledge, sadly she died so she was irrelevant in long term but great character in the book
You are most welcome friend. Better subscribe to save time in the future... hehehehehehe
Not entirely irrelevant, as on of the merged into show drummer characters indeed had feelings for her.
Yeah, that got really confusing. They seem to have combined Drummer. Michio Pa and Sam on the show.
Fishslap 33 - There's some Bull in the mix too.
@@@SingWhileYouMay Remind me, please? I read the first four a couple of years ago and some things seem to have slipped down my senility cracks.
I'm interested as to where Miller could go. Seeing him come back in season 3 was interesting but I'd be happy to see the detective again and I have a feeling that as the protomolecule becomes less of an amorphous alien danger and more is understood, he could play a bigger part in how it interacts with humans using the ring gates.
The Blu-Ray versions use language more like the books. What is broadcast on SyFy is toned down.
So, I've watched all three seasons and I can't wait for the fourth one to come out to continue with the story. Should I read now the 4th book or is it better if I start again since the first one?
BD Forniés I loved the books. But I reckon you could get away with it. But maybe not. I'd recommend reading the books:)
Jake's Place I'll read the books since the beginning then. Thanks for your advice!! Really appreciated the quick answer :)
Dr Elvi our lovely Nigerian exobiologists has been found
Ready to meet the Protomolecule Engineer killers on Illus. Or one of their (spoilers) anyway.
Rewatched season 1 after reading couple of first books. Did not like how Miller story line was portrayed. It's a shame they left out reduced crime, crowd control armor missing and other key events on Ceres. Also both Ceres and Eros felt smaller than they were in books.
Muntis Grube Yeah. The worldbuilding is almost always far inferior in a show because of the time you can dedicate to it in a book, as well as the ability to depict internal thoughts and narrative without being boring or weird.
My biggest gripe with the Miller story line was that they just couldn't help themselves with the love angle with his colleague. In the books, Whatsherface despised Miller and there was nothing romantic going on either way, certainly not from her side. Yet the show just has to have a teary goodbye when Miller leaves for Eros anyway.
His whole thing was that he was an isolated loner who didn't get on with anyone, and that Julie Mao, who he had never met, became his personal angel. He would rather die with her on Eros than live with the rest of the world. Largely because nobody liked him, including the female police officer on Ceres.
Still a great character on the show, and the casting is perfect. It's just better in the book.
Muntis Grube yeah they lower the population numbers of the stations majorly for some reason. Inside the books Eros had a population of over three million and in the book it has only 250 thousand.
The books emphasize much more how careful belters are about resources. Belters react long before acute scarcity - any threat of future scarcity is a Critical Life Or Death Matter.
I liked the blue wave ripple effect passing through the Roci and Holden in the last scene of the 3rd season... wink wink wink :-)
also they way the books are written is interesting and gives a different look at the story then the show. For example the first book flips between Holden and Miller the hole time and is told from only there point of view and the other people on the Roci seem more a side characters then main characters.
Havent read the books...dont feel like starting from book 1...can I just start at book 4?
Potentially but you might miss a thing or two.
Kamelot don't it is one of the worst in the series, it serves kind of as a transition book from the inter system wars of the first trilogy to the intergalactic colonization of the other four books
Am I the only one who thinks the show is actually better than the books? That’s almost never the case. Books are almost always more complete and fleshed out. But I think the show runners really took the opportunity to improve on the books in this case, and I suspect that’s because the book authors wanted to do stuff on the show they hadn’t gotten to in the books. After reading them I’m very happy I did but honestly I’m just pleasantly surprised how many good decisions the show runners made.
It is unfortunate that the "SyFy" channel has nothing to do with SciFi. (And these "Teen Age Mutant TV Programmers" are addicted to "Sharknado," a substance made from Great White shark droppings.;) At Least "The Expanse" won't go the way of "Firefly" or "Almost Human."
As for using "colorful metaphors," swearing every other word and using Jacqueline Suzann as a dialogue coach, this makes the characters and the culture of SciFi world X seem stupid/coarse/exhibtionistic. (Whenever I come across a movie where the characters "swear like sailors/young soldiers/"bottom feeders," these are the first to die horrible deaths "when the wolves arrive to thin the herd.";)
Rod Serling and Ray Bradbury were on the same wavelength, creatively, but turning a character's thoughts or dark humor in literature to 24-30 frames/second video is tricky/hard/impossible. (Rod Serling also wasn't known for comedy in "The Twilight Zone.) As a Mel Brooks character mentioned: "Drama, that's easy. Comedy, that's hard."
I can't say that I have 100% recall of these details, but I feel like Amos, Alex and Avasarala are all older in the books. Especially Amos. I *think* he was described as being in his 40s at the start of the series whereas the guy that plays him is in his early 30s at the oldest.
I think it’s because the books take place over like 20 something years. Obviously they don’t wanna take 20 years to make a tv show, so they just averaged out the age I guess.
Love the bad ass gals. Love Bobbie from the start in that suit I was like wow Mars bad ass Amazonian type warrior gal. Big & strong. She is not hot or gorgeous, but cool. She isn't ugly. She just is okay. They all are. She was funny cussing, but I was shocked at first. Too much. Glad the last episode was better & didn't need all that.
When is S4 - E1 of the Expanse going to show ? I heard some time in September. Does anybody know ?
S4 releases on Amazon Prime (free?) in December 2019
I love the books and the show.
But, wasn't the protomolecule the color of brown, and the Eros episode much more graphic
The protomolecule was much more yucky in the books. It is almost svelte in the show.
It's very close to me. Excellent casting, fx, music etc. I have forgiven them for not finding enough eight foot people to play Belters. It is an unrealistic demand for any number of reasons, mostly that people aren't that tall and the FX for it would automatically look weird. But for once a TV show actually sticks to the story without adding garbage and removing detail because viewers might get "confused". I stopped watching it a few seasons back, but whoever is writing Game of Thrones has a lot to learn from this show.
#Stannis is not dead. Also, Brienne of Tarth apparently is, and therefore not Wonder Woman of the North.Just saying.
Brienne of Tarth isn't dead in the books. She caved to save Podric Payne.
@@@darktwistedlady She had her head in a noose and that's the last word written about Brienne of Tarth. She yelled "sword". but you have no idea what that achieved, because the chapter stopped there. Maybe they ignored her. Maybe they hanged her so she could be resurrected as Zombie-Brienne. You don't know. No one does. What we do know is that she did not become Wonder Woman of the North with Sansa. They made that up as one of their crazy-feminist statements. The TV writers apparently love those, which is the main reason I stopped watching the show. i finally got it: all men are evil or stupid, all women are perfect or victims no matter what they do, and obviously all the female characters are going to survive while all the male ones die.
This is the problem with fanatics: they're boring and predictable.
Well, that was quick.
Hey, how about Electric Dreams, new sci fi Amazon/BBC show? New, science fiction, and nobody has done a thing on it.
Seems like it's your specialty exactly :)
I was just talking about this with a friend yesterday. That's two recommendations for the same show in less than 24 hours. Guess I better get on it!
Jake's Place wouldn't exactly call it top notch or anything like that, but worth a shot.
One may even say there can be only one Black Mirror. Speaking about it - do an opinion piece on it too mate.
I wish Ashford wasn’t such a dick in the books. Really liked his character in the show. Kamina was a great addition to the show as well
A classy diplomat with her accent dropping F bombs seems gratuitous and unnecessary. I'm no language police either.
Another thing that gets explained in the book and not on the show. If anything she's much worse in the books.
Avasarala isn't a diplomat, she's a politician. She curses much more and worse in the books, so the men in power won't discover that she really is a softie, aka not another psycopat like the rest.
She does it to put her opponents off balance. It's one tactic she uses, and she's a master strategist.
I just starting reading the books.
Cool, thanks
The biggest (and most important) difference to me is that the books have well written characters.
As someone who has not watched the show / read the books yet and is deciding on which to do first, are there any spoilers in this vid?
Oh yeah. Spoilers for first 3 books and first 3 seasons. My advice to you would be to read the first book. Then watch the first season. Then read the second and third book and all the novellas from that time. Then watch the second and third season. Then read all the rest of the books before season 4 haha! Have fun buddy!
Got it! Read 1st book, watch first season, dance in a circle, throw salt around, read 2nd season, sacrifice a bunny rabbit after getting it really drunk on cheap beer, watch second book and so on and so forth... Your the best Jake.
My only complain against the show is its lack of red haired women. Anna, Sam...
How exactly is Naomi betraying the crew by giving Fred the proto not a significant change to you? Completely undermines her character.
Doesn't the TV show play up the poverty level on earth significantly compared to the books? In the books when Bobby is trying to find the ocean, she goes into a coffee shop. In the TV show, it seems like everyone is living on the streets.
Jak Crow Not really. The books had a similar depiction. It was described that most on Earth could not have jobs because there just weren't enough of them, and couldn't be, because there's way too many people and most manufacturing is automated (a history we're seeing emerge right now...), and basic only covers, well, basics. There's not enough housing to go around, so they'll be on the streets.
Lots of that in the books too. Amos' return to earth in particular goes into it.
Sooo... season 4 video?
Spoiler warning:
The roci doesn't have a rail gun in the show so how will season 4 play out
That whole collection of.... events... was such a mess in book 4, I would expect the show writers to simplify it a lot
@@piratepat44 Ya that makes sense
Didn't they have to add it on in the books?
We're pretty confused about the whole language versus gore versus nudity disparity, too. And on UA-cam, it's the other way around for some reason. We can say shitty poopy fuck face all day long, but one nipple and you're banned for life!
Pretty sure in the books Alex is a bit older, and Naomi has more Asian features and longer hair.
100kg at 2 metres is "whopping"? Hardly
Seasons 1,2 and 3 are only books 1 and 2 no?
JoeysSecretLover No