Lebreton Flats Deal in Danger of Falling Through for Sens
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
- This could potentially lead to speculation regarding the Sens future in Ottawa.
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Ottawa needs a new owner, Edmonton needs a new GM and Philadelphia needs a new coach so let’s combine them into one team called the Flyoilsens
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oilnaters?
"I meant, I meant-" *ninja dust and disappears* lmaooo
I think what THG wanted to say was 500 Smith and Wesson, and if Melnyk was on the wrong end of that, he would disappear. However, if Shannon was the one who pulled the trigger, the 500 would knock him on his ass and he would also disappear for a while ;)
The problem is not the population of Ottawa, it's the location of the canadian tire center. It's lost in Kanata, 40 min away from Ottawa center. Montreal would also have attendance problem if the Bell Centre was located at St-Jean-Sur Richelieu (A small city 40 min away from the current Bell Center)
Ryukasan1 Montreal would never have a problem drawing, they’re die hards. Maybe if Boston moved to Foxboro or something.
I already live here so it’s decent for me.
To Think, That's Nothing Compared To Calgary's Scotiabank Saddledome Which Is A Decade Older At Least Than The Canadian Tire Centre!
I’ve been to Panther games in Florida many times. BB&T Center is NOT far from its
fans. It sits directly adjacent to a major highway that connects ALL of South Florida’s suburban population. Plenty of parking as well. The Panthers have problems for sure, but the location of its arena is not one of them.
Fans who used to see them downtown miami would disagree
Agree i think BB&T is in a great location. Just off the highway, not to much traffic on that side of the "overpopulated SouthFL", as if you would have to drive down a gridlocked I95 to Miami. Even if we are a lot of people down here we have a lot of things fighting for our entertainment dollars. Great college sports. Miami Heat, Marlins, great concerts daily etc etc. And its" fing" expensive to live here. I 'll go to watch when Penguins comes to town and its always a lively arena, "The Rock" in New Jersey is far worse. Sad part is lower bowl is all corporate and they like tax deductions more than hockey. Fans sits too far from the action. BB&T dead during the week but is popping during the weekend if the right teams are in town.
Being a Senators fan... This absolutely SUCKS.
There's still a chance, but with Melnyk and this whole situation.. I don't think this is going to work.
Don't worry, I left when you told me to ;) - Oh yeah, Shannon you're the best Hockey UA-camr for sure. I think you're so funny and so relaxing to listen to and got me back into watching the NHL!
I hate going to Kanata to go see games
Always heard that Canadian Tire Center aka The Palladium is a great arena to watch a Sens game.
its sick when ur in stittsvegas baby!
@@wilnerolivier7971 The Canadian center is a nice arena, the problem is the place it's at. Kanata is 40 min away from Ottawa and there is only 1 highway that can lead you to it. I have a Sens friend that told me, everytime he wants to go see a Sens game, he must leave 4 hours early. There is so much traffic on the way to Kanata that the usual 40 min, is replaced to 3 hours on game night. This is why people don't like going to Kanata.
@@wilnerolivier7971 - There isn't a bad seat in the place. The issue is getting to the game. There's maybe half the population can't get to the game in time for the faceoff. Some parts of Ottawa is over an hour from downtown in normal rushhour traffic. Like Orleans, Barhaven and Gatineau.
Do they have a train that goes to the arena?
It’s seriously all location I’ve been to multiple sens games and it takes 2-3 hours just to get out of there after the game it’s ridiculous. Enough that it’s a 40 min drive without counting traffic to get there😡 just move the team downtown and you will see attendance rise also getting rid of melnyk and Dorion would be nice 😁
Admittedly I am not an expert on the financial status of the Ottawa Senators. However as a sports fan of over 45 years, since I was six (yes I am old) I have heard this many times where owners, athletes, and GM'S say one thing (and lie) while they mean another thing. Owners say "I will never move the team" so that the idea is out there and then when they do move the team they can say, "I never wanted to move" and make someone else look bad for moving a team. Athletes say, "I'll never play anywhere else" so when they leave for more money that they can say that they never wanted to leave. People LIE. Maybe Mr. MELNYK either doesn't want to own the team or doesn't want to stay in Ottawa and this is just confirmation of that. I know The Hockey Guy has said that the NHL wants a team in Houston, Texas. It could be that the league is behind this? A good way to have a problem owner sell a team to a group in a city that the league wants to expand to.
Letterkenny reference???
What about the Coyotes? They've been stagnating in AZ, and there's no plans about a new arena. Everytime there's a proposed talk about a new arena, it keeps falling through. The owner is desperately looking for new investors, but nobody's rushing to knock at his door.
i think its just a PR stunt to get somthing worked out quick but who know's these days in Ottawa
A suburban arena condemns a team to poor attendance and revenue struggles. The five teams that play in suburban arenas consistantly are at the bottom of attendance lists
-Islanders
-Hurricanes
-Panthers
--Coyotes
-Senators
All of these teams should relocate to urban downtown arenas and leave the bedroom community locations for minor leagues. The proposed Belmont Park arena is doomed to failure like all suburban venues.
Barclays center is in brooklyn which is not the suburbs. That being said the Nassau coliseum does not have a LIRR stop which will be a problem for playing there while the Belmont arena is being built. Belmont raceway has more roads and more buses going to it than the Nassau Coliseum but the Belmont raceway site will need to do work on the LIRR station because it really only operates on racing days.
As someone who lives just outside of Ottawa, I can say that the attendance issues come more from the fans attitude than the building. We know our owner is a clown, get over it. He has stated that he has no plans to ever sell, or even really relocate the team. So owner wise - things will not change. Right now there is a big group of Ottawa fans that will simply not let go of the whole "our owner is trash" attidue. Most "fans", if you would call them that, don't say anything about the team besides trashing the owner. The team could be in first place, and there would still be a group of fans that don't care, and still just rip on the owner. Its disheartening to see, and as an Ottawa fan I think it puts a negative presence on the team, and greatly discourages any new potential fans. That's the real problem at this point. It's the negative fans, and the fact that they can't get over the fact that our owner is a clown. Yeah the billboards were funny last year, we all had a laugh, move on. Get over it. The team is actually doing alright this season, yet nobody I talk to says that... it's the old "Melynk is a **** speech. I feel bad for the players on the team, the fans are ruining it. Then if Melnyk ever does decide to move the team, the same negative fans will then play the "I told you so" card... then in the future start complaining that we have no NHL team.
@Mr. Man Thank you for proving my point. The team isn't doing bad at all this year, yet you still complain.
Lebreton flats would be an amazing spot. Close to downtown been to the arena and i hope they move. Public transit is close new train is been built and should be finished soon in the next couple of years. I’m so close to the arena if they move and can see more games. I really hope they move.
There's just no way that Toronto and, definitely, Buffalo would approve of a team in Hamilton.
If senators were to move then Quebec city would likely make the most sense and would be the easiest move. That is IF Ottawa moves.
@@noahporter5818 I think that the move makes sense down the line if it does become as bad as say, Atlanta. Still, Ottawa has a metropolitan population of 1.3m vs. Quebec City's 800k. Also, Ottawa can attract fans from southern Quebec.
Lets not panic people.
I remember watching that city council meeting, don't remember how I did it.
Melnyk is the Dean Spanos of the NHL, If that deal falls through he will want to move the team. If the NHL lets him and he moves it to America the "NHL/Bettman hates Canada!" sentiment will grow.
Aramonde Hasashi you and @UrinatingTree both love to slam Melnyk and Spanos.
Well i was a devoted SAN DIEGO Chargers fan for over twenty plus years so yeah Spanos can go fuck himself. After having that done to SD i don't want to see other fans get the same treatment.
The backup plan is Le Circle du Soleil owner that said he would build it. Melnik then said he would put up the money and he has been regretting it ever since.
Love the Wings and the new barn but I can't stand people that use the "people checking out the new arena" argument. I went to one game and scoped out the whole place before. No one pays to go to a game and not watch. The fan base has been priced out and tickets are sold and unused by corporations.
Thus guy is a great analyst. He doesn't have to fit all his thoughts in a 60 second segment like those on TV do
Bring NHL To Houston
Not the Sens
@Mr. Man 36 teams but after that no more!
I love your vids, but this one's poorly researched. The other bid to develop Lebreton Flats is a group called Devcore. Their leader is friends with Bettman. Their plan also includes an arena, and they've said they would like to acquire the Senators from Melnyk. If Melnyk's deal falls through, the NCC (the gov't group that controls Lebreton) will turn to Devcore. If the NHL decided to intervene, the most likely scenario would be that they would force Melnyk to sell the Sens to the Devcore group.
In sum, there is another group interested in buying the Sens with plans to build an arena in Lebreton Flats. The notion that the NHL would overlook this group and just move the team is unrealistic.
I would like to point out that KeyBank Center in Buffalo is basically in the middle of nowhere (downtown Buffalo becomes a ghost town after 4:30PM) and it has no problems attracting fans to the games.
hockeyfreakofnature but it’s not a long drive to get there either. Highways take you from any suburb to downtown
Ok as a sens fan there's 2 ways to look at this.(If its not fixed before january wich it won't)
1. Melnickel moves the team :(
2. 2 years ago, the other group in the bid were gonna build an arena anyway. If this group (the group associated with Alfie) gets the Flats, they will build an Arena Anyway, wich leaves Melnickel with 2 options. either he sells the team right now when he still as the bid so he can sell at a higher price, either he sells to the other group after he loses the flats and get pressured by the league to sell. He could always try to move, but i doubt 2/3 of the owners will agree that he leaves when there is a perfect arena being built down town. With the patience the league as had for Arizona, if Bettman agrees to moving the sens while an arena is being built he just comfirms the anti-canada rumors.
There staying in Ottawa 100%
That sounds a bit desperate...
@@MRTZ1897 I just thing ottawa is staying in Ottawa. I'm not even an ottawa fan
Isn’t Parking like extremely over priced
what are the chances of the team moving to markham??? they supposedly already have an NHL ready arena
It was never built
www.yorkregion.com/news-story/6385518-scarpitti-still-defends-failed-markham-arena/
No they don't. They talked about building one a few years ago but it never happened.
Derek O'Brien oh ok. I thought it was already done and just holding other venues
Eugene Melnyk is a modern day Eddie Livingstone.
Unlike the Senators with their arena in Kanata, 40 min away from downtown Ottawa, Québec at least built their Vidéotron Center in the most populated area of the city. Also, if they can get 15 000 people to go watch some junior hockey or collegial football, what do you think will happen with a real NHL team? I'm tired of the "there is no money to be made in Québec". Yeah ok, keep your Glendale, Sunrise and etc mentality, which is 0 fans, but lots of TV contracts. Year by year, more and more people are actually cancelling their cable subscriptions and watch any game they want for free on the net (you can easely find an NHL livestream website in 2 min nowadays). In 5 or 10 years, when they'll realise younger generation don't give a shit about T.V, they wont be able to make money with REAL fans attending games, cause they won't have any!!!
iVE BEEN WATCHING FREE NHl for 10 ... 15 ? years ... it amazing how the uninformed pay $$ to watch ....same with netfix
www.batmanstream.tv/hockey
this is good for free NHL
It’s a hard luck life, for us. It’s a hard luck life for us.
-Sens fans
BoyNamedSue4 hard knock*
Not a sens fan but makes sense to build a new arena closer to the CBD better for the fans
Really hope they figure it out.
Pretty sure Eugene secretly Sabotaged this.
He has realised that it's going to be an expensive venture.
Stoking the Canadian Tire fire.
Off topic. Screw the rebuild. Replace Boucher w Vigneault, Q has no patience. These kids are indeed good like you said but they might get tired of losing like this in disheartening fashion
4:17-4:20 I keep imagining Eugene Melnyk
magically disappearing using smoke bomb via Phoenix Buchanan from Paddington 2 style (The scene where he used the smoke bomb to disappear from Paddington Bear when he stole that book Paddington wanted to get for his grandmother's 100th birthday and then framed him for the crime that Phoenix manipulated the cops into thinking he was the culprit that stole the book from the shop)
So if the deal doesn't work out than does that means sens might move in the future???
Shannon on a roll with these vids!
I pray this works out, but I'm not optimistic at all.
What do the other owners think of Melnyk? Could they want to get rid of him once and for all? Is Melnyk likely to move out of Canada if given the choice of destinations? It'd be cool if you did a series on owners similar to your GM series.
Easiest solution would be to kick melnyk out and move the team to Quebec city
Just kick Melnyk
I live in downtown Ottawa- I'm NOT a sens fan. I WOULD buy a season ticket because I'd be able to get to the games really easily on the new LRT. Melynk is an absolute JOKE he has an incredible opportunity to make a lot of money in Lebreton flats... Too bad he's too broke to afford it.
If it falls through, I'm fine with it. The CTC is fine, it's not that old! Plus, there's a lot of fans that live in the Ottawa Valley, if there's a downtown arena, it's gonna make it a hell of a lot worse for those fans to make it to games. I live in the Valley, right now if I go to a game, I'll usually make it back home around 10:30pm-11:00pm. If an arena gets put downtown, I probably won't make it home 'til 1am, then have to get up 3 hours later to go to work! The CTC is in the perfect spot for both fans living downtown & in the Valley.
Kilometers?!?!? Sorry bro, us Americans here are like, what the hell is a kilometer? lol
Damm Shannon, youre on a Roll.
So this isn't the first time you have criticized the location of the Florida Panthers arena. I understand why the fact that the arena is in Sunrise instead of Ft. Lauderdale or Miami seems sub-optimal to fans not familiar with S. Florida. The key is that the Panthers play for 3 metro areas, not just Miami. Moving to Miami would probably cause the Palm Beach market to lose significant interest, and I think Palm Beach is the center of Fl. youth hockey, so there is a vibrant market there. Also, the infrastructure around BBT center is awesome: one can easily get to Miami or Palm Beach in 30 min or less, as I-75 rarely has traffic. The situation is not as nice in Ft. Lauderdale and (especially) Miami. People brave the travel for Heat games, but would they do so for Panthers games? They certainly don't for the Marlins... Suburb typically connotes uncomfortable distance in most areas, but it just isn't the case in S. Fla. Finally, the arena is located right next to Sawgrass Mills Mall, one of the largest malls in the country, so traveling fans can usually make a day out of a game. The Panthers have had myriad problems over the years, sure, but the arena is far from one of them...
That then points the finger back at the fanbase then. The arena's location has been used plenty to justify the team's poor attendance. If that's great, then the fans just are not supporting a pretty entertaining team.
@@TheHockeyGuy Agreed. South Florida fans are notoriously fickle, and there are a lot of transplants in the area. Decades of woefully inept ownership has this effect in the area. Take the Miami Marlins. They have a new arena in a good location, in an area that is tailor-made to support baseball, but they barely draw more than AAA teams. I like what Vinnie Viola has done on the business side of things; hopefully he can turn this around.
Hamilton would be cool, so would a second Toronto team.
Does Hamilton really have a bigger market though?
The NHL doesnt move teams until they have absolutely exhausted every single ownership possibility in that city (look Arizona/Carolina).
Ottawa's not moving. Period.
This is not sens-ational news for Ottawa.
QUEBEC, HAMILTON, HALIFAX, AHHHHHHHHHHHH just move. Something has to give in this organization. Like for Christ’s sake Eugene, just retire, sell your team for cheap and relax in the Bahamas
I agree with never supporting a team with certain owners. I've always supported Detroit sports, but the Lions has been the most frustrating team to ever support, and it comes down to the Fords never caring. It's the same losing culture that will stay the losing culture until the Fords are gone.
Love your content and so it pains me to say this, but you are way off on Ottawa. Probably just because you are not aware of the following: 1) There is another buyer (Desmarais/liberte) willing to buy and keep the team in Ottawa and develop Lebreton, 2) The sens are actually good financially - Gate is only 35% of revenue. - Proven attendance when fans aren't mad at owner - Melnyk stated he was losing 10 mil per year in 2014, then revenues went up by 20-30 mil due to new TV deals...ie: no additional costs. - the reason the team is hurting is because an NHL team requires cash flow...paying out bonuses years before revenues to match for example...and Melnyk doesn't have/isn't willing to float the cash flow, 3) The stadium will be mostly paid for by the condo developer who is only getting the land cheap because the hockey team is coming with it. In other words, this is a sweet deal for a stadium that the team/Melnyk will never find in another market, nevemind relocation fees, cost of new stadium in another market, etc, etc. The team is more valuable in Ottawa than anywhere else and it will never be more valuable to a new buyer than right now. He'll sell or make the money work, but it's not moving.
He has been on the record that he will never sell the team. He has also been very vocal about not wanting to pay top salaries in the NHL. The location of the arena doesn't work and if they don't get a downtown arena, it's not just me saying the team could find itself getting moved. If they move to Quebec, the arena is already there and the costs would be minimal compared to the possible return.
Melnyk has made it clear he is THE owner of the Sens which means it will all hang on what he decides to do and what the NHL is willing to do.
Sens will move to Quebec City if they move
DrMcVictory - nope - Houston.
@@jdfedor17 Canadian teams are not going anywhere, sorry bud
Apologize for my ineptitude to clarify. “They’ll move to Houston before they move to Quebec City”. I’d actually prefer if there were more Canadian teams.
This can’t continue in Ottawa. Unless Melnyk leaves, they’re completely screwed
Bummer the new logos are lower on the Adidas.
You now need a ninja suit but keep the Ottawa hat on top of the ninja mask, then say, "I meant... I meant..." *NINJA DUST!* Then disappear off-camera. :D
Honestly, Ottawa needs a new owner, not a new rink. I was born in Ottawa, grew up here, after living away for 6 years, I now live here again and have been to many games. The rink is awesome, getting to it takes no time at all down the 417, with normal traffic it takes 15-20 minutes at most and there are buses non stop. The only things to complain about as far as the rink goes are high prices, the name changes every few years and I wish they had a Vegas size scoreboard.
Where the issues are, are with the owner jacking up prices for parking, not having staff, not spending to the cap, and not giving cornerstone players long term deals. Basically he wants fans to pay and he wants the Sens to win without putting forth any investment like other teams do.
It also drives me nuts that he just expects players to take a "home town discount" just because they like playing in Ottawa.
To be honest, as much as I like an idea of a new rink (mostly because I like the design in the pictures they released), I hate the idea of a rink downtown. No parking, Buses are already brutal, and I'm sure everything else will cost twice as much.
This arena situation in Ottawa is reminiscent of what happened with the late Charles Wang trying to get a new arena arena for the Islanders, while he was the owner. Like the ambitious arena project that Melnyk is currently championing, the Lighthouse project was pretty much the same deal that the Lebreton Flats project is. What derailed the Islanders arena plan was that Nassau County residents had no desire of being taxed more than they already were to fund a new arena for a hockey club. The Nassau Coliseum like the Canadian Tire Center a.k.a The Palladium is located in the suburbs & not downtown, which makes it difficult for fans to attend the games on a consistent basis. Unlike the Coliseum which was an outdated building by NHL standards, the Canadian Tire Center is a modern arena that has one of the best game atmosphere in the league. You can blame Melnyk for a lot with the Sens, but you can't blame him on this because he wasn't the owner who put the arena so far away from downtown Ottawa.
There is a big difference between the Islander situation and the Senators. When Wang bought the team whatever problems he had (and the Isles had many) he inherited a big new tv contract from the previous owner. He was on Cablevision throughout Nassau and Suffolk counties on Long Island and also in the borough of Brooklyn in NYC. Cablevision is not in Queens so he was able to sign with Time Warner Cable to broadcast games in Queens on SNY with the Devils. I was caught by surprise when a new arena was built in Brooklyn and the Islanders were moved into it but the Islanders were never going to leave the New York area because their television contracts were too lucrative. If Wang had sold the team say to the group that wanted a team in Quebec he would have had to sell at a way lower price because the teams biggest asset, the NY cable tv contracts would be lost. The Senators could move to another market of similiar size such as Quebec or even a bigger tv market such as Houston.
@Mr. Man Quebec City is smaller than Ottowa but not by alot and they wont be paying. Quebec already has an 18,259 seat arena hoping that if they build it an NHL team will come. The building opened in september of 2015 so it is pretty new. Plus once the city gets an NHL team they will be able to get a better naming rights deal for the building than what they have now.
If the Senators go to Hamilton it is smaller but still a decent size market. More important it has the FirstOntario Centre which seats 17, 383 for hockey. It is an old building (the old copps coliseum) but its been renovated and is in a better location in the city so it would be good enough for the time being until they could get financing for a new arena.
@Mr. Man I thought you meant pay as in pay for the stadium.You are right, the Sens will have to pay a relocation fee. I do not want Ottowa or any fans to lose their team. However a team can be lost to another city, sometimes even a smaller market, if one city has their ducks in a row and the other doesnt. The Raiders negotiated for years to get a new building in Oakland with no real progress. Then Nevada passed that hotel room tax which would only be paid by visitors to Vegas, not residents. That secured the financing so the Raiders knew the stadium would get built. The Seattle Supersonics could not get a new building in Seattle (even now a decade later Seattle is doing a renovation instead of a new arena). Oklahoma City lured the NBA just like Quebec City is trying to do by building the arena first.
It's a Joke!! Melynk is only being asked to contribute 5-10% of the overall cost and thinks he gets to take control of the entire project #MelynkOut
#MelnykOut
calgary is in a worse position. A new owner in Ottawa would probably fill the seats more. The arena isnt terrible
It's not the arena, it's the location of the arena. Lebreton Flats is their only saving grace right now from not relocating or folding
I hope they move to Houston so the flames will be forced to move to Portland.
Can someone address me about the Flames and their arena issue?
Bettman says the Saddledome is too old and need a new arena asap. It doesnt meet NHL standards...however the Olympic committee said its fine to host the olympics, which Calgary is using as defence. Also Alberta economy is lower cause of oil and the govornment doesn't want to spend billions of tax payer dollars on a new arena.
@@nosbo13 I thought that they would have built a new arena for the Olympic games and then the Flames use it when the Olympics are over
@@vithursan.b that would have made the most sense.
hamilton doesnt have an arena
I wonder if gritty could be the Sens new owner
Ottawa is the only canadian nhl team I need to see.
I've seen all 6 canadian teams at home game.
lol wearing that same hat as i watch this
What's a kilometer?
1 mile = 1.61 km
@@billybones3277 1km is 1.6miles
@@danieldosso2455 no, 1 mile is 1.6 km
The distance unit used by the entire planet outside of the U.S and U.K. 1 Kilometer is 1000 meter and 1 meter is 3 feet and 3 inch in your unit.
@@danieldosso2455 No... it isnt.
The league aren't stupid enough to move the Sens but they could force the owner to sell
The only reason Melnyk clings to the Sens is for reasons of ego, which is hilarious because the more he clings, the more of a laughing stock he becomes. He's a good object lesson for Canadian hockey fans who like to blame Betman for Canadian teams not doing well. It's not Betman now, or ever. It's because for the most part, Canadian owners are shitty business people and poor managers. Present day Leafs an as yet to be ultimately proven exception.
Same for the Jets, they're actually run competently
@@neroameealucard945 True, I keep forgetting. I slapped myself.
they are staying
And the saga continues, this is gonna be awesome when the Ottawa fans break out their pitchforks, maple syrup (because Canada is too good for tar) and feathers for Melnik. Also, can we call this the Canada tyre fire yet?
Wideman to Edmonton
Move them to Orleans
LOL
NHL should step in and force Melnyk out .. Hands down one of the worst owners in sports
My Nordique ?
Hopefully
Doubt it.
Quebec City, Hamilton or Houston
@@frloopr Houston would misalign the conferences again.
Houston Senators?
The Quebec Senators
i say quebec city
Ninja dust lol
La Quebec nordiques
☺
Ninja dust.....
Poof
FIRST, FINALLY DID IT MOM
Contracts! Here's yours worthless internet point. Enjoy :)
@@zhacce4920 I always laugh at people who do it, but when I saw my opportunity to post a comment saying first I knew what had to be done. Traditions need to be preserved!
2nd!
Ottawa shouldn't have an NHL team, it's just not a major league market like a lot of other Canadian cities.
Ottawa is more populous than Salt Lake City, Winnipeg, Buffalo, New Orleans, Edmonton, Raleigh, and Green Bay, all of which are currently major league markets. I don't see it.
Atticus name one other then Quebec City
@Carson Kulikowski Buffalo metro is 1.1 Million and Ottawa metro is 1.3
It's not enough to stop either of them from being extra leaf home games though
Mr. Man what team would replace smart ass