I have one converted to .45 ACP I'm not crazy or stupid enough to feed it hardball. I handload lead bullets and download it close to .45 Schofield pressure. These are overbuilt beasts, but still have to be mindful of 1880's metallurgy
@@JChan880 Very often, the converted Chamelot were modified by the French Resistance during WW2, as 45ACP or British Webley cartridges, sent in huge quantities by the Allies, were then more readily available than the 1873 ordnance cartridge, and also because the caliber was roughly the same. And it's also true the Chamelot was a very strong revolver, plagued by an underpowered cartridge. But beware of modified ones, as they will sooner or later break, as there's a thinner part on the upper side of the frame
@@laurentdevaux5617 Because the French gov' back then had too many bills already, so instead of rolling with the far superior 12mm "Marine" version of the Chamelot Delvigne they kept the lackluster 11mm "Army" version, lackluster at range obviously, 180 grains from a .442 bullet @700 FPS isn't something you want to receive center mass from a guy mounted on a horse also wielding a sabre. Cible, a French magazine, made an interesting article on how to adapt any 11mm Chamelot Delvigne into a 12mm Marine one, I made the modification myself and it's quite an upgrade indeed yet the pressure is lower thanks to the proper engineering: 235 grains .450 bullet @825 fps.
@@selmevias1383 Quite true, but in fact that's not so simple. The French navy always have been independent from the army and chose its own weapons. The navy was the first to adopt a metallic cartridge revolver, the Lefaucheux 1858, while the army still used the percussion pistol 1822 Tbis until 1873. The navy was also the first to adopt a repetition rifle, the Kropatschek 1878, well before the Lebel though it still fired a black powder cartridge. In 1870, they adopted a new revolver with a powerful cartridge (in 12 mm). They finally switched to the 1873 in 1877 when the army got fully equiped, but still with the 12 mm cartridge, until 1886 when they received 1873 revolvers in the same asthmatic caliber just because the stocks of 12 mm cartridge were all used up and no longer manufactured. A pity indeed as the 12 mm cartridge was much better than the 11 mm. And also a proof that the 1873 revolver could withstand more powerful cartridges...
@@laurentdevaux5617 Thanks for the clarifications. Mais j'ai bien peur de déjà être au courant! Je vous invite à lire l'article de John C.Frost dans le magazine "Cibles" numéros 358, il a un article sur le chargment 1873/2000 que j'utilise sur mes Chamelot Delvignes 1873, il faut hélas joué de l'alésoir (un sacrilège pour certains) mais les résultâts sont présents!
So cool, i hope some time Mae fires a lafaucheux "officier" M1858 revolver or the lefaucheux M1864/98, they were old but they are classic pieces of art
I've watched your entire Minute of Mae series and love them. Every word is chosen carefully, and delivers maximum information in short order. Absolutely great. The camera work is also great. Some of those angles make an old guy like me slightly uncomfortable with the lens so close to the muzzle. Well done and I'm going back through every one of them to give them a like. One thing though...I'm left wondering about that wrap-around trigger finger technique. Every time I see that, my brain is annoyingly saying in the background, "High. And to the right. High. And to the right." Does that method really work for you? If it does, how do you overcome the biomechanics? My hands shake like a leaf, so I need to anticipate weird breath-holding and timing to get good accuracy, but I manage it. I get that unorthodox techniques work for some people. How does that finger curl work for you?
@@LatinFR you can also increase the power of the 1873 11mm round substantially since they can take 15000psi. basically you can safely push 200 foot pounds vs the original 71ftp or the 140ftp when they updated the round in the round in 1890.
I definitely get the impression from these vids that 90% of European revolvers and automatics up to the Luger were balanced like a brick on a thin flexible stick. This detracts from a lot of their usefulness compared to the Colt SAA even when they have superior loading, unloading, cartridge, quality, and production features.
Quite right. I also think, though I'm French, that the Colt SAA is a much more elegant, handier gun. But if I had to choose a revolver on which I could rely in the hardest situations, I would surely prefer the Chamelot. If you keep it clean and take care of it, it will never let you down. I'm quite sure the Colt won't be as reliable, though its cartridge is definitely better
Genuinely curious on this one, but other than a more potent cartridge... what other advantages could the Colt SAA have possessed against the Chamelot Delvigne? It seems to me that the Chamelot Delvigne was simpler than the Colt, just as reliable, easier to fix, and had the benefit of being a double/triple action revolver. You also loaded both revolvers the same way but I suppose the Colt SAA was a tad bit smoother to operate? (I'm no firearms expert, by the way, so I'm just going off what I've read and heard about both revolvers)
You're totally right, in fact the Chamelot had much more advantages than the SAA, in particular it fires in double action, it is really easier to fix (and to disassemble, with the tip of the cylinder rod, who can also be used as a screwdriver) and most, its springs are much more strong than the ones of the American gun, known to be rather fragile. And overall, it's a very strong, very well made and reliable revolver, so strong that some were converted in 45 ACP by the French resistance during WW2. It is also still very popular among shooters in France. But anyway, the Colt had an enormous advantage against the French revolver : its cartridge, really much more powerful. The French 1873 never had enough stopping power, even after the new, more powerful cartridge was adopted in 1890 (and not in 1914, sorry Mae). By the way, the 1873 finish is polished, in the white, and not blued (only the 1874 version for officers was)
I've read around the Internet that the 11mm cartridge for the Chamelot Delvigne was indeed quite underpowered... but perhaps it's only considered underpowered because people view the cartridge with more modern and potent cartridges in mind? Perhaps taking a look at the historical context and comparing the 11mm Ordnance with other European cartridges (.450 Adams, .442 Webley, 12mm Lefaucheux, .380 etc.) of the time, it would have been considered as an... adequate cartridge, not too weak but not too strong either. Or perhaps it really was underpowered even by the standards in Europe in the 1870s... (I do consider .32 ACP as perfectly adequate for self-defence so I may or may not have a bit of bias towards these "low-powered" cartridges. (Also, would there be any more data of the velocity and energy of the 11mm that aren't from the ones shown in Wikipedia?)
This was a great revolver I’m not gonna lie. But the problem with this was the round it fired. It was a big hefty 11mm round but the downfall of it was that it used black powder in the cartridge so it didn’t really go fast. The fps was only around 350 to 425 so you could hit the target, but the bastards wouldn’t always go down.
France DID Have " Standardized" Firearms, Long-Guns, and Handguns, But they were " Muzzleloaders" , From another Time in History ........... Anyway, Great Vids!
I wonder if this channel has had any issues recently like other gun channels have had. If not, is it because all the firearms featured here are very old?
@@Candrsenal I went to update my payment method and it allowed it to go through for another creator but denied for you guys, then several more times when I tried to update it.
Weird question but weren’t these the revolvers used by Brendan Frazier’s character in the mummy?
Yes
Along with his Lebel rifle
Which is a pretty neat attention to detail, since he was a member of the French Foreign Legion.
Yes this is the Revolver that he used in first Mummy Movie along side the 1911, Lebel 1886, and Winchester 1897
Yep. Double fisted.
I will never pass up a minute of Mae .
Really liked your wall gun .
These are quite popular in Canada, usually converted to .455 webley or .45 ACP, because we're running out of options.
And that 11mm French Ordnance is no longer manufactured.
I will never pass up a minute with Mae !
I have one converted to .45 ACP
I'm not crazy or stupid enough to feed it hardball. I handload lead bullets and download it close to .45 Schofield pressure.
These are overbuilt beasts, but still have to be mindful of 1880's metallurgy
I have one converted to .455 Webley. It shoots like it was designed for that round! If only they had done that from the beginning....
@@JChan880 Very often, the converted Chamelot were modified by the French Resistance during WW2, as 45ACP or British Webley cartridges, sent in huge quantities by the Allies, were then more readily available than the 1873 ordnance cartridge, and also because the caliber was roughly the same. And it's also true the Chamelot was a very strong revolver, plagued by an underpowered cartridge. But beware of modified ones, as they will sooner or later break, as there's a thinner part on the upper side of the frame
@@laurentdevaux5617 Because the French gov' back then had too many bills already, so instead of rolling with the far superior 12mm "Marine" version of the Chamelot Delvigne they kept the lackluster 11mm "Army" version, lackluster at range obviously, 180 grains from a .442 bullet @700 FPS isn't something you want to receive center mass from a guy mounted on a horse also wielding a sabre.
Cible, a French magazine, made an interesting article on how to adapt any 11mm Chamelot Delvigne into a 12mm Marine one, I made the modification myself and it's quite an upgrade indeed yet the pressure is lower thanks to the proper engineering: 235 grains .450 bullet @825 fps.
@@selmevias1383 Quite true, but in fact that's not so simple. The French navy always have been independent from the army and chose its own weapons. The navy was the first to adopt a metallic cartridge revolver, the Lefaucheux 1858, while the army still used the percussion pistol 1822 Tbis until 1873. The navy was also the first to adopt a repetition rifle, the Kropatschek 1878, well before the Lebel though it still fired a black powder cartridge. In 1870, they adopted a new revolver with a powerful cartridge (in 12 mm). They finally switched to the 1873 in 1877 when the army got fully equiped, but still with the 12 mm cartridge, until 1886 when they received 1873 revolvers in the same asthmatic caliber just because the stocks of 12 mm cartridge were all used up and no longer manufactured. A pity indeed as the 12 mm cartridge was much better than the 11 mm. And also a proof that the 1873 revolver could withstand more powerful cartridges...
@@laurentdevaux5617 Thanks for the clarifications.
Mais j'ai bien peur de déjà être au courant!
Je vous invite à lire l'article de John C.Frost dans le magazine "Cibles" numéros 358, il a un article sur le chargment 1873/2000 que j'utilise sur mes Chamelot Delvignes 1873, il faut hélas joué de l'alésoir (un sacrilège pour certains) mais les résultâts sont présents!
I like this revolver, and as always thank you so much Mae.
If I’m not mistaken Brendan Frasier uses two in The Mummy
Correct. And I'm mildly obsessed with that gun roll he whips out onto the table aboard the boat.
I'd recommend having two of these if you plan to read a black book conveniently hidden in a booby trapped statue.
Beautifully engineered, you can take them apart very easily as a small lever depresses the spring which allows you to take the mechanism apart.
I now know what the little pocket on my jeans is for! 😂
I thought it was for storing washed matchbooks that we forgot to take out of our jeans.
Thank you
Díky Mae. 👍
Thanks!
So cool, i hope some time Mae fires a lafaucheux "officier" M1858 revolver or the lefaucheux M1864/98, they were old but they are classic pieces of art
Lefaucheux*
@@ommsterlitz1805 thanks pal
@@tacituskilgore5372LefaUcheux
@@ommsterlitz1805 thanks again
le four show
Love this pistol ! Bring it on , Mummy !
Always wondered what the little pocket in my jeans was for.
Very nice
I love Minute of Mae
Отличный для своего времени револьвер. А слабый патрон можно было заменить на 45 кольт)))
I've watched your entire Minute of Mae series and love them. Every word is chosen carefully, and delivers maximum information in short order. Absolutely great. The camera work is also great. Some of those angles make an old guy like me slightly uncomfortable with the lens so close to the muzzle. Well done and I'm going back through every one of them to give them a like. One thing though...I'm left wondering about that wrap-around trigger finger technique. Every time I see that, my brain is annoyingly saying in the background, "High. And to the right. High. And to the right." Does that method really work for you? If it does, how do you overcome the biomechanics? My hands shake like a leaf, so I need to anticipate weird breath-holding and timing to get good accuracy, but I manage it. I get that unorthodox techniques work for some people. How does that finger curl work for you?
Muy bueno tu vídeo saludos desde Argentina
Yes but the “Single Action” was the Colt 1873 which is still a favorite for many.
His amunition was superior to the chamelot delvigne but in term of mecanic work the chamelot delvigne is better
@@LatinFR you can also increase the power of the 1873 11mm round substantially since they can take 15000psi. basically you can safely push 200 foot pounds vs the original 71ftp or the 140ftp when they updated the round in the round in 1890.
@@kevinforget549 I’m french so we use metric system here i will convert all of that.
Thanks for the tips my dude.
Yay a min of Mae ❤
Mae I Love So Much Your Magical Smile In Final!:)
The Mummy. ❤🙏👍
Commenting to help persuade UA-cam to pay Mae and Othias.
So am I. This is one of the favorite minutes of the week.
I’m Chameloving it!
Wouldn't it be cool to make the ending blend seamlessly with the beginning so we could loop the video?
So...this is what love feels like.
Want. Mae is the ultimate firearms saleslady. Now if I only had the money to buy those exotic guns she demonstrates on the videos...*sigh*.
Hail old wheel guns !
I found one in my attic... How much are these worth? I was going to polish it and keep it if it's not worth much
I've seen some of these in 45acp
Great for dealing with mummies
Good video Mae, not a fan of French firearms, but you made it shine.
Who doesn't love getting Minute Mae'd?
What is rough fps of this, a lot of these older revolvers had fat but short cases.
I wondered why I wasnt seeing your videos., UA-cam unsubbed me. Figures...
I definitely get the impression from these vids that 90% of European revolvers and automatics up to the Luger were balanced like a brick on a thin flexible stick. This detracts from a lot of their usefulness compared to the Colt SAA even when they have superior loading, unloading, cartridge, quality, and production features.
Quite right. I also think, though I'm French, that the Colt SAA is a much more elegant, handier gun. But if I had to choose a revolver on which I could rely in the hardest situations, I would surely prefer the Chamelot. If you keep it clean and take care of it, it will never let you down. I'm quite sure the Colt won't be as reliable, though its cartridge is definitely better
Genuinely curious on this one, but other than a more potent cartridge... what other advantages could the Colt SAA have possessed against the Chamelot Delvigne? It seems to me that the Chamelot Delvigne was simpler than the Colt, just as reliable, easier to fix, and had the benefit of being a double/triple action revolver. You also loaded both revolvers the same way but I suppose the Colt SAA was a tad bit smoother to operate? (I'm no firearms expert, by the way, so I'm just going off what I've read and heard about both revolvers)
You're totally right, in fact the Chamelot had much more advantages than the SAA, in particular it fires in double action, it is really easier to fix (and to disassemble, with the tip of the cylinder rod, who can also be used as a screwdriver) and most, its springs are much more strong than the ones of the American gun, known to be rather fragile. And overall, it's a very strong, very well made and reliable revolver, so strong that some were converted in 45 ACP by the French resistance during WW2. It is also still very popular among shooters in France. But anyway, the Colt had an enormous advantage against the French revolver : its cartridge, really much more powerful. The French 1873 never had enough stopping power, even after the new, more powerful cartridge was adopted in 1890 (and not in 1914, sorry Mae). By the way, the 1873 finish is polished, in the white, and not blued (only the 1874 version for officers was)
I've read around the Internet that the 11mm cartridge for the Chamelot Delvigne was indeed quite underpowered... but perhaps it's only considered underpowered because people view the cartridge with more modern and potent cartridges in mind? Perhaps taking a look at the historical context and comparing the 11mm Ordnance with other European cartridges (.450 Adams, .442 Webley, 12mm Lefaucheux, .380 etc.) of the time, it would have been considered as an... adequate cartridge, not too weak but not too strong either. Or perhaps it really was underpowered even by the standards in Europe in the 1870s... (I do consider .32 ACP as perfectly adequate for self-defence so I may or may not have a bit of bias towards these "low-powered" cartridges.
(Also, would there be any more data of the velocity and energy of the 11mm that aren't from the ones shown in Wikipedia?)
This was a great revolver I’m not gonna lie.
But the problem with this was the round it fired.
It was a big hefty 11mm round but the downfall of it was that it used black powder in the cartridge so it didn’t really go fast.
The fps was only around 350 to 425 so you could hit the target, but the bastards wouldn’t always go down.
I can't watch one of these without really wanting to smell that 'just fired an old gun' scent.
France DID Have " Standardized" Firearms, Long-Guns, and Handguns, But they were " Muzzleloaders" , From another Time in History ........... Anyway, Great Vids!
Cool.
If youput the speed at .9, you get 6 extra seconds of May!!
Mae! Mae! Mae!
I wonder if this channel has had any issues recently like other gun channels have had. If not, is it because all the firearms featured here are very old?
Ah yes, the Camelot DeLorean.
Where do you find all these obsolete and exotic cartridges?
They make them
@@LadyAnuB making them does sound easier than scouring the internet for them
They panhandle with an alms bowl. You can see them out every night in their home town, asking you to please spare a bit of some exotic ammunition.
@@gratefulguy4130 Thank you.
@@LadyAnuB Thank you.
Mae, please tell me what kind of knife is in your pocket?
Well looks business like
I am Pakistani I like your video very much
Rick Occonels revolver of choice
Yeah but our single action was the Colt SAA..
Ah I see, you like target shooting.
Neat
Hey Mae ! How about an 1897 winchester shotgun !
They already made a video on that.
Odd looking pistol, still like it
👍👍👍
Something something Mummy Brendan Frasier
Nice weapon.
Now NO ONE wake up Imhotep again. I know he’s in Hell, but just don’t!
I still don't have one.
I'll sell you one..
Hi....🖐️
Patreon is actively preventing me from pledging to you guys.
How?
@@Candrsenal I went to update my payment method and it allowed it to go through for another creator but denied for you guys, then several more times when I tried to update it.
Still waiting on the 1911 ... ... ...
Very good revolver, more interesting than colt..
Yeah, speaking of the US adoption of 1873....
Perfect for anti-Mummy use.
Give brass.
First!
And the SA America adopted is still being made to this very day. Unlike that piece of crap.
18th, 26 January 2023
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Thanks!