the actual combo actually can hit for more than 5 times. when wiseman attacks, you blast witch of grape out then u use its skill to sc2 and get back the tahros from deck. can easily hit up to 10times
Can we get the combo video? I havent seen a real Wiseman loop in action, given that the players Ive played against who used the deck were either average players in general or top players who didnt use it as their main.
Remember people that this is the japanese version of the deck. The european build can differ from this like actually running a starter and playing Flying Lapwing The deck itself is a beast and your opponent will think twice if he wants to rather take a vanguard hit or multiple power-house attacks with an additional crit
If you want witch engine. Witch of star, aster will be a better choice since it soul charge when placed on RC regardless of your vg name. Deck have no space for 4 pokkur.
I'd be awesome to comment again if this deck is still viable in the competitive scene now that things have mixed up with the new V stuff. Also I'd love your opinion on how Genesis can improve with the new release in V. I've been trying to figure out my playstyle and which clans I'd love playing for Vanguard and I'm finally there! - DP, Genesis, Murakumo (still working on my protect clan but most likely either DI or Nabu )
Tbh, I never thought Wiseman actually looked pretty dope until I saw that zoomed-in thumbnail. This is a fun deck and all Solemn, but it just depends on the Wiseman loop entirely. If you can't pull it off, well then... Time to die.
Please do the combo video I'll watch it since I'm really interested in this combo but I don't really understand how to use it. Also for first stride will usually be tyr in that turn will we call rear guards to add the attacks or just attack with tyr? Is this combo a bad matchup against Kaveri and ZTB? How does fenrir the G4 fix things? Is it the change in the revelation of your units? Also is running the regalia g guard ear good for this deck?im sorry if I'm asking to many questions
Hey, I know it's been like a year, but do you have any suggestion about this deck? My playgroup will build decks only from G-Era and I really liked your build, but do you have any changes in mind? Would you swap draw triggers for more crits? What about that Cray Elemental G1 for a 3rd Valencia? I'm thinking about getting only 2 Fenrir G4, 2 Tyr and 2 Iris as G-Zone due to budget, would you agree? Last think, would you add one more Dreaming Dragon for consistency for the case it all goes wrong including it going to dmg zone?
Heyyo, now that the new Genesis Regalia support has been almost completely spoiled, how do you feel about that version of the deck in comparison to Fenrir Wiseman? I used to play Fenrir Wiseman and it feels that the Regalia support is less explosive in nature but more stable. Greetings from Singapore btw. :D
That list honestly looks so bad to me and my friend who plays the deck. You seem to be focusing on a sub-optimal loop/combo. Why go five/six attacks when you can do 13? Especially with the chance of putting the crit on him before his first attack. Vanargandr is also does matter, because when you have a 4 card deck with a crit in it, it allows you to put it on Wiseman and swinging with the vanguard first will set up the ability to loop your Tahros for 13 attacks instead of attempting to drive check one to get six attacks.
150k is overkill IMO :/ Let's be honest: this deck pretty much DEAD when matched with CONTROL deck. So, why we got some control-matchup tech when we can maximize it's multiattack factor and faster wiseman-turn consistency. I found some decklist that can spam wiseman RIGHT at 1st stride turn at pretty decent consistency. I have some advice to tech in if you want to know :) - Flying Lapwing is SOOO GOOOOD. It thin your deck 3 cards at minimum, 4 cards and free cost if you have 1 copy in your soul - Witch of Orange, Valencia at 4 is a must IMO. 1st reason, it synergize with Shiroma (crit) right at G1 turn. 2nd reason, it thin your deck and help your LOOP :) - Because this deck rely on 1st or 2nd stride turn, 4 strider is TOO MUCH. I understand it will consistently get your old Fenrir fast, but Wiseman deck is NOT about "what is your vanguard", but "how much do you hit your opp face" :) I would like to see your combo and playtest if you have some times to spend :) Regards!
I wouldn't call a deck that has been topping in JP 24/7 a sleeper deck :P (now with the new chaos, we don't really see it anymore but up until zoo booster, this thing is/was a monster)
Nick Rolo its 8$ on ideal808 bit I am asking for the deck as a whole I mean in many decks only 1 or 2 cards a expensive and the rest is pretty cheap making the deck as a whole budget friendly so what about fenrir
Not consistent with 11-8-15...srsly? Yes it's true, good players know how to play against it, but fam, that deck you made is easily countered by any player. Holy shit
Solemn Vanguard That's cool it topped, but God dam must have been lucky. Not being stuck at g2 and running so many g3? The possibility of having 3 g3's in your hand is possible and in the early game if people rush (like, who doesn't is just an idiot) you are gonna be so fucked, cuz if people can run 12 g2's and have 3 in their start hand, you will have no early game which you need in order to survive to the Wiseman turn. Don't run so few g2's, being grade stuck AND having many (2-3) g3's loose you the game. Cut the new Fenrir and 1 Weissman and idk put 10k vanilla's in it.
This build is just bad and inconsistent You don't need to consistently go 150k ++++ because you need a good setup, always. That build can brick too easily, no backup plans againts Kagero, other clans can go on okay but with that build, againts Kagero, your build just drop off really, really bad. You don't play Tagwoot, you'll play 3 Iris instead and 1 Dizmel in case you need to use
SushiTries i know its the Japanese variation, my build is loosely based on it with my own personal tech. I tried that againts a Kagero deck with my friends too, it dies too ofte n due to no backup plans if yo use Maximn's build. Its just really
the actual combo actually can hit for more than 5 times. when wiseman attacks, you blast witch of grape out then u use its skill to sc2 and get back the tahros from deck. can easily hit up to 10times
the actual combo actually can hit for more than 5 times. when wiseman attacks, you blast witch of grape out then u use its skill to sc2 and get back the tahros from deck. can easily hit up to 10times
Alvin Hu 13*
21…..... with the revelation g1 even more but that's overkill
You said Original Wiseman, but his name is Fenrir, pls give hija a little respect :'c
Op: "Hey! Wanna play vanguard?"
Every fenrir wiseman player ever: "Wanna play solitaire?"
Holy fucking god..trying to play this deck for a competitive CFA Tourney gave me so much stress...This deck is just a beast to play.
Combo video! also what's your opinion on flying lapwing?
Can we get the combo video? I havent seen a real Wiseman loop in action, given that the players Ive played against who used the deck were either average players in general or top players who didnt use it as their main.
yesss combo video please solely cause i wanna make shore i know how the loop works so i can DESTROY IT HEH HEH!
Remember people that this is the japanese version of the deck.
The european build can differ from this like actually running a starter and playing Flying Lapwing
The deck itself is a beast and your opponent will think twice if he wants to rather take a vanguard hit or multiple power-house attacks with an additional crit
If you want witch engine. Witch of star, aster will be a better choice since it soul charge when placed on RC regardless of your vg name. Deck have no space for 4 pokkur.
Nice ! I guess I am first, yeah please do the loop video
Second ;) haha
Combo video, please :)
how about you show the combo in a how to beat?
if the loop is correct, Wiseman Could attack at least 10 times.
I'd be awesome to comment again if this deck is still viable in the competitive scene now that things have mixed up with the new V stuff. Also I'd love your opinion on how Genesis can improve with the new release in V. I've been trying to figure out my playstyle and which clans I'd love playing for Vanguard and I'm finally there! - DP, Genesis, Murakumo (still working on my protect clan but most likely either DI or Nabu )
Genesis definitely got better with the new support :) I'd run a different list from this. I can make a profile after worlds
Oh my sweet yes let's go
And yes, do the combo video
Tbh, I never thought Wiseman actually looked pretty dope until I saw that zoomed-in thumbnail. This is a fun deck and all Solemn, but it just depends on the Wiseman loop entirely. If you can't pull it off, well then... Time to die.
Please do the combo video I'll watch it since I'm really interested in this combo but I don't really understand how to use it. Also for first stride will usually be tyr in that turn will we call rear guards to add the attacks or just attack with tyr? Is this combo a bad matchup against Kaveri and ZTB? How does fenrir the G4 fix things? Is it the change in the revelation of your units? Also is running the regalia g guard ear good for this deck?im sorry if I'm asking to many questions
Is it worth building this deck in your opinion,also plz do the loop combo
Hey, I know it's been like a year, but do you have any suggestion about this deck? My playgroup will build decks only from G-Era and I really liked your build, but do you have any changes in mind? Would you swap draw triggers for more crits? What about that Cray Elemental G1 for a 3rd Valencia? I'm thinking about getting only 2 Fenrir G4, 2 Tyr and 2 Iris as G-Zone due to budget, would you agree? Last think, would you add one more Dreaming Dragon for consistency for the case it all goes wrong including it going to dmg zone?
Make a video about the new dominate reveals i wonder what your tought are about it
What are the cards you would run if you don't run the witch engine just outta curiosity
I wanna see you do the loop!
Isnt the wiseman deck loop almost infinite? If u loop with like 5 witches in your soul
Posted the combo an the different versions of it.
Combo vid please. Always wanted to play it when it first came out but it was way too difficult to play
Solemn, make a tachi gaia deck profile. I would love to hear your thoughts on it.
Yes I want to see a video where you can explain the combo pls
Thank you!
Always wanted to make this deck but the only good (Before the G Era) Genesis card I have is Goddess of Good Luck, Fortuna.
And hopefully you can make the video. I'll actually want it because I still don't understand the Fenrir Wiseman Loop until I see it.
Am I missing the starter? I'd also only run 10 G3 and 3 stride foder then I could run another 2 go for more consistent plays
Heyyo, now that the new Genesis Regalia support has been almost completely spoiled, how do you feel about that version of the deck in comparison to Fenrir Wiseman? I used to play Fenrir Wiseman and it feels that the Regalia support is less explosive in nature but more stable. Greetings from Singapore btw. :D
James Lim Jit Koon the new support 100% helps the deck alot. The rare regalia stride will be used in the deck.
please make a combo vid. i will watch it. also what are you using for your starter? cause either you forgot or I totally missed it.
Tahro(Stand) is the starter, because u need her in the soul. But can go with Leyding
Ah genesis counts as a oracly magical foreseeing clan.
A loop combo would be awesome!!!
Solemn Vanguard if you would be so kind .. I would really like if you could do a video on the loop .. would really appreciate it
Cost of the deck, please? Only with the essential cards without the Vanagandrs.
WISEMAN LOOP! WISEMAN LOOP! WISEMAN LOOP!
Can you do a combo video for Fenrir? I want to watch it!!!
Please do a combo
So main. And and the strides that matter, price? Just wondering
I'd like to see that loop combo
I would like to see a combo video
My one question is.. How do you counter this deck? Unless I have a explosive first stride, I always lose against it.
Syncre play control deck, this one just die on it, it's even more true if the one playing it don't know the match up
Pls do the vid combo
A combo video would be nice!!!!
That list honestly looks so bad to me and my friend who plays the deck. You seem to be focusing on a sub-optimal loop/combo. Why go five/six attacks when you can do 13? Especially with the chance of putting the crit on him before his first attack. Vanargandr is also does matter, because when you have a 4 card deck with a crit in it, it allows you to put it on Wiseman and swinging with the vanguard first will set up the ability to loop your Tahros for 13 attacks instead of attempting to drive check one to get six attacks.
Please do tell me how you CONSISTENTLY reach 13 150k Wiseman attacks against GOOD players/decks?
You don't get 150k, you get around 20-30k, but you have a crit making it so it's near impossible to survive 13 attacks.
150k is overkill IMO :/ Let's be honest: this deck pretty much DEAD when matched with CONTROL deck. So, why we got some control-matchup tech when we can maximize it's multiattack factor and faster wiseman-turn consistency. I found some decklist that can spam wiseman RIGHT at 1st stride turn at pretty decent consistency. I have some advice to tech in if you want to know :)
- Flying Lapwing is SOOO GOOOOD. It thin your deck 3 cards at minimum, 4 cards and free cost if you have 1 copy in your soul
- Witch of Orange, Valencia at 4 is a must IMO. 1st reason, it synergize with Shiroma (crit) right at G1 turn. 2nd reason, it thin your deck and help your LOOP :)
- Because this deck rely on 1st or 2nd stride turn, 4 strider is TOO MUCH. I understand it will consistently get your old Fenrir fast, but Wiseman deck is NOT about "what is your vanguard", but "how much do you hit your opp face" :)
I would like to see your combo and playtest if you have some times to spend :) Regards!
Who's the starting vanguard??
i hear a lot about this deck. another sleeper deck?
I wouldn't call a deck that has been topping in JP 24/7 a sleeper deck :P (now with the new chaos, we don't really see it anymore but up until zoo booster, this thing is/was a monster)
Dude I want to see that combo video
Yo drop that combo video, I'll watch it.
Yo can we please see you play this deck against you're friends?
Please make a wiseman combo video
i think i know the loop but a video so i know it proper would be great?
Please do a combo video
He forgot the starter?
DireKnight GT the starter is the stand trigger
Please make a combo video :)
loop explanation plz
Please do a revelation deck
Do it cuz the loop is fun
Loop Video please!
First and are you on discord today
Again :O Congrats!
I was for a few minutes
pls show the combos
I really can't see how this get 150k show me plss
Please show me the loop
the loop plz
Make a combo video.
yes make the loop pls
combo video
Loop vid pls
I'm up for a combo vid if you are
Wanna see the loop :D
Show me the loop please :D
Its more than 5 times
How much would this deck cost
Is it any budget friendly ?
GateWay To Awesomeness fenrir is like 15$ each
Nick Rolo its 8$ on ideal808 bit I am asking for the deck as a whole
I mean in many decks only 1 or 2 cards a expensive and the rest is pretty cheap making the deck as a whole budget friendly so what about fenrir
GateWay To Awesomeness g zone fo genesis is expensive because most cards are staple
Nick Rolo oh ok thanks
Really easy to build tbh.... Bare basic version of the deck could cost you 80$ ?
0:50 "Original Wiseman" WTF man??
Do it.
11 grade 3 NANI 😂😂😂
Notification squad lol
Naizz :D
6 attacks? Lol.
Not consistent with 11-8-15...srsly? Yes it's true, good players know how to play against it, but fam, that deck you made is easily countered by any player. Holy shit
That deck I made is literally the only variant that tops.
Solemn Vanguard That's cool it topped, but God dam must have been lucky. Not being stuck at g2 and running so many g3? The possibility of having 3 g3's in your hand is possible and in the early game if people rush (like, who doesn't is just an idiot) you are gonna be so fucked, cuz if people can run 12 g2's and have 3 in their start hand, you will have no early game which you need in order to survive to the Wiseman turn. Don't run so few g2's, being grade stuck AND having many (2-3) g3's loose you the game. Cut the new Fenrir and 1 Weissman and idk put 10k vanilla's in it.
This build is just bad and inconsistent
You don't need to consistently go 150k ++++ because you need a good setup, always. That build can brick too easily, no backup plans againts Kagero, other clans can go on okay but with that build, againts Kagero, your build just drop off really, really bad.
You don't play Tagwoot, you'll play 3 Iris instead and 1 Dizmel in case you need to use
Ways Of The Arcane it's s Japanese variant I suppose. Again meta in Japan and west is different.
SushiTries i know its the Japanese variation, my build is loosely based on it with my own personal tech. I tried that againts a Kagero deck with my friends too, it dies too ofte n due to no backup plans if yo use Maximn's build. Its just really
Haha 5 times, try atleast 9 not need 150k tho
the actual combo actually can hit for more than 5 times. when wiseman attacks, you blast witch of grape out then u use its skill to sc2 and get back the tahros from deck. can easily hit up to 10times
pls do a combo