I know the two people are not comparable on a 1:1 basis, but I‘m curious if you view Oppenheimer in a similar way. And a big thumbs up to your content and well explained and open minded thought process.
This song Father, is the one that really have hit me. The song itself, musically, lyricwise is brilliant. It really gets stuck in your mind. But the questions asked.... It's all very greyish and I have certainly not come to any final decision on the moral issues of Haber's work. Being interested in history, I knew some if this subject and dug even deeper into it. It didn't make the moral any easier. In 1922-23 Haber and his group worked on more peacefull matters and produced Zyklon-A to be used as a pesticide in the agricultural world. He never ever expressed any remorse over his war works on gasses, comparing the evolution of weapons to how a knight might feel to the development of guns and bullets. When he exiled from his beloved fatherland, who now shunned him as a jew, and came to Cambridge, it's reputed that Ruthergord, THE leading British scientist refused to shake his hand. He presumably didn't feel very welcome, thus leading him further in his exile to Switzerland where he died 1934 in the throes of another wrecked marriage. AFTER his death, the nazified scientists further developed his work into Zyklon-B, to be used in the death camps. Several of his familymembers died in concentration camps. The later outcome of his work he never knew nor guessed, nobody could, in 1934. No, morals are not clear-cut here.
From a scientific point of view I feel he was just a brilliant chemist and problem solver. I don't imagine that things are seen as 'good or evil' in that world, or in his mind, just equations to solve. 2 of his children also commited suicide later in his life and a number of relatives of his (nieces and nephews) were killed I'm concentration camps (likely gased) by the Nazis during WW2. Somewhat ironic eh? So it was no happy ending for him, that's for sure.
When weighing the good verses evil, chemical warfare was outlawed shortly after WWI, yet I see the BASF chemical plant here in Freeport, TX ship a dozen truckloads plus railcars of ammonium nitrate every day.
"Several members of Haber's extended family died in Nazi concentration camps (likely gased), including his half-sister Frieda's daughter, Hilde Glücksmann, her husband, and their two children." Fate, it seems, is not without a sense of irony.
@@rosswhite5975 Well you know karma is a b*tch and no matter how hard you try it's gonna get you or your loved ones sooner or later. I find it kinda poetic in a sense that he indirectly killed them.
I hope all enjoy the christmas eve with the families and friends. When i think in Haber and his discovers and using in the war, its the same with the atomic bomb, the use of that technology help a lot, but they use vs Japan in war killing a lot of ppl too. And for Haber, with a Jew family, the later use of chemical weapons in concentration camps in WWII from his fatherland vs the Jew ppl, dont think he want that. Like Indy said its very controvertial.
Because I mass recorded which I generally don't do. I am usually up at 3am and record the day of and plan everything out. I forgot to change the text. Did it on NW as well LOL
Ignore the text in the video - I did a mass recording session and forgot to change the text file *SMH* This is why I generally don't mass record lol.
I know the two people are not comparable on a 1:1 basis, but I‘m curious if you view Oppenheimer in a similar way. And a big thumbs up to your content and well explained and open minded thought process.
Get well soon or as we say in Sweden, Krya på dig.
Can't figure out the answer either, saint or sinner?
This song Father, is the one that really have hit me. The song itself, musically, lyricwise is brilliant. It really gets stuck in your mind. But the questions asked....
It's all very greyish and I have certainly not come to any final decision on the moral issues of Haber's work. Being interested in history, I knew some if this subject and dug even deeper into it.
It didn't make the moral any easier.
In 1922-23 Haber and his group worked on more peacefull matters and produced Zyklon-A to be used as a pesticide in the agricultural world.
He never ever expressed any remorse over his war works on gasses, comparing the evolution of weapons to how a knight might feel to the development of guns and bullets.
When he exiled from his beloved fatherland, who now shunned him as a jew, and came to Cambridge, it's reputed that Ruthergord, THE leading British scientist refused to shake his hand. He presumably didn't feel very welcome, thus leading him further in his exile to Switzerland where he died 1934 in the throes of another wrecked marriage. AFTER his death, the nazified scientists further developed his work into Zyklon-B, to be used in the death camps. Several of his familymembers died in concentration camps. The later outcome of his work he never knew nor guessed, nobody could, in 1934.
No, morals are not clear-cut here.
From a scientific point of view I feel he was just a brilliant chemist and problem solver. I don't imagine that things are seen as 'good or evil' in that world, or in his mind, just equations to solve. 2 of his children also commited suicide later in his life and a number of relatives of his (nieces and nephews) were killed I'm concentration camps (likely gased) by the Nazis during WW2. Somewhat ironic eh? So it was no happy ending for him, that's for sure.
Fact: The mobile X-ray machine was invented by the Polish twice Noblist - Maria Skłodowska-Curie :-)
When weighing the good verses evil, chemical warfare was outlawed shortly after WWI, yet I see the BASF chemical plant here in Freeport, TX ship a dozen truckloads plus railcars of ammonium nitrate every day.
His inventions were later remodeled into cyclon B used in holocaust so u know. It's not about it being outlawed
"Several members of Haber's extended family died in Nazi concentration camps (likely gased), including his half-sister Frieda's daughter, Hilde Glücksmann, her husband, and their two children."
Fate, it seems, is not without a sense of irony.
@@rosswhite5975 Well you know karma is a b*tch and no matter how hard you try it's gonna get you or your loved ones sooner or later. I find it kinda poetic in a sense that he indirectly killed them.
@@samuelbuchlak2507 indeed.
Even things like chlorine gas and phosgene are still made and used in industry, not as weapons.
I hope all enjoy the christmas eve with the families and friends.
When i think in Haber and his discovers and using in the war, its the same with the atomic bomb, the use of that technology help a lot, but they use vs Japan in war killing a lot of ppl too.
And for Haber, with a Jew family, the later use of chemical weapons in concentration camps in WWII from his fatherland vs the Jew ppl, dont think he want that. Like Indy said its very controvertial.
break it down to a single phrase: "Should we do things, just because we can?"
Why did you write that this is from 2014 Heroes album XD?
Because I mass recorded which I generally don't do. I am usually up at 3am and record the day of and plan everything out. I forgot to change the text. Did it on NW as well LOL