Playoff options: All teams in the Power4 conference championship games (8 teams) get a bye. The 2 best teams that played in a G5 conference championship game (2 teams) get a bye. This makes playing in a conference championship game matter. The winners of their conference championship games get a home game for their first match-ups game. This will make winning the conference championship games matter. During the byes of those 10 qualifier teams, the next best 12 teams play to get 6 teams for wildcard selection. This way, everyone plays same number of games going into the Sweet 16. Only teams that might end up playing an extra game are those in G5 that ranked lower than 12 like say Army but at least they will get a chance to compete for a wildcard spot rather than being left out.
Yeah, I agree with the auto-bid but not a bye. The auto-bid is sufficient and merited to reward a conference champion. The conference champion bye, in its current scheme, irreparably screws up the seeding. This was a foreseeable blunder. But, this concession was reportedly needed to get the conferences to agree to an expanded playoff. The sooner this format is tweaked, the better.
I suspect that the irony here is that the auto-byes were put in to protect the SEC from having few-loss non-SEC teams getting them over a banged-up SEC champ.
Playoff options: All teams in the Power4 conference championship games (8 teams) get a bye. The 2 best teams that played in a G5 conference championship game (2 teams) get a bye. This makes playing in a conference championship game matter. The winners of their conference championship games get a home game for their first match-ups game. This will make winning the conference championship games matter. During the byes of those 10 qualifier teams, the next best 12 teams play to get 6 teams for wildcard selection. This way, everyone plays same number of games going into the Sweet 16. Only teams that might end up playing an extra game are those in G5 that ranked lower than 12 like say Army but at least they will get a chance to compete for a wildcard spot rather than being left out. Also shorten the regular season to 10 games and no scheduling FCS teams. G5 must schedule 1 game from each of the Power4 conferences. Power4 must schedule 1 game from each of the remaining Power4 conferences and 1 game from G5. This means everyone will have 4 games in the FBS that is against another conference that can play spoiler in rankings even if you schedule the other conferences bottom teams.
Here's the thing. Alabama with 2 losses in the regular season vs the 1-loss (in the regular season) Conference Championship loser would have been a more heated debate and that's where we would have seen the bias of choosing a big name like Bama. In fact, it probably wouldn't have been much of a debate at all. They would choose Bama. Now the question I have is: would the opponent ranking make a difference? Is it simply because Clemson went 9-3? Because Penn State and Texas did not get penalized at all for losing their Conference Championship games. Both are still seeded ahead of Notre Dame. The ONLY reason SMU got in is because disrespecting the conference championship games would put a wrench in not just the new format, but the entire FBS.
There needs to be more that goes into SOS other than hypotheticals. Roster projections clearly aren't always right, or even near right. Do they take into consideration weather, travel, rivalries, etc... Not that it should be the sole basis of a SOS but it needs to be included.. Having to travel across 2 states for a month vs 3 time zones is wildly different.
THEY NEED TO GET A MACHINE LIKE THE LOTTERY, AND HAVE 12 BALLS EACH WITH A TEAM LOGO. AND THE FIRST FOUR BALLS GET THE BYE, THEN THE NEXT BALLS ARE THE MATCHUPS, IT WOULD BE RANDOM AND FAIR!
Taking the Top 4 doesn't fix SEC bias or the problem with the playoffs. Texas still doesn't have a single quality win to justify their ranking. Georgia needed 8 overtimes at home to beat the 5th best team in the ACC Georgia Tech. Bama with 3 losses who lost by 21 to a 1 & 5 SEC team was still in the mix for a playoff spot.
14 out of the past 24 national championships are from the SEC. The SEC simply has the best players on average. We see this every year with the NFL draft. You can't define SEC bias. You just don't like the reality of it all.
@@dawgpost90 Preseason polls are used to inflate SEC SOS ... the regular season polls are based on the bias preseason polls. The SEC titles are tainted. You can see this year the SEC is WAY overrated. Not a single elite team in that bad league.
@frostymug3123 Preseaon polls don't determine sos. The SEC beat up on itself. You're not giving any logical arguments. You simply don't like that the SEC objectively has the highest concentration of talent. Yet again, 14 out of the last 24 buddy. But go off about irrelevant preseason rankings.
And they put Penn St above Ohio St, hmm, who won that matchup. Joel Klatt just dissected this and showed how Blatantly Blew it. Gave so much Value to the Conference Championships and they bent over Backwards to include SMU. Joel went on record to say Bama is a Better team and a Better resume. The Committee punished ranked teams an avg of 6 spots Down with a loss in the regular season. But after the Conference Championships down an avg of 1 point, what a Joke. The SEC, the Top Conference gets 3 teams, WTF! And the two teams who got punished the most, was Tennessee and Oregon. Their Paths are more difficult.
"The Committee punished ranked teams an avg of 6 spots Down with a loss in the regular season. But after the Conference Championships down an avg of 1 point." Good. Are we seriously trying to act like a regular season loss is in anyway the same as a conference championship loss? The committee already put Ohio State behind Penn State after they lost to Michigan, why would they then reward Ohio State for sitting at home on saturday? It stands to reason that a conference championship game is a privilege two teams earn throughout the course of the regular season and teams who were not good enough to get into their conference championship in the first place shouldn't leap frog whoever happens to lose that game.
Updated Playoff options: All teams in the Power4 conference championship games (8 teams) get a bye. The 2 best teams that played in a G5 conference championship game (2 teams) get a bye. This makes playing in a conference championship game matter. The winners of their conference championship games get a home game for their first match-ups game. This will make winning the conference championship games matter. During the byes of those 10 qualifier teams, the next best 12 teams play to get 6 teams for wildcard selection. This way, everyone plays same number of games going into the Sweet 16. Only teams that might end up playing an extra game are those in G5 that ranked lower than 12 like say Army but at least they will get a chance to compete for a wildcard spot rather than being left out. Also shorten the regular season to 10 games and no scheduling FCS teams. G5 must schedule 1 game from each of the Power4 conferences. Power4 must schedule 1 game from each of the remaining Power4 conferences and 1 game from G5. This means everyone will have 4 games in the FBS that is against another conference that can play spoiler in rankings even if you schedule the other conferences bottom teams.
SMU was similar to TCU, lost conference championship game close, everyone knew they didn't belong, made it in anyway. To their credit they did beat Michigan but the natty that year proved they didn't remotely belong. Bama didn't deserve it either but the committee clearly didn't care about anything but the backlash they'd get if Bama got in but SMU was out.
Josh, I'm a Carolina fan and you know as well as I do if anyone really and very truely got screwed over it was us cause we beat LSU and that would make 10 wins, 4 of them over ranked teams including Clemson who got in as the ACC champions right after we beat them on their beloved Frank Howard field,but nobody wants to even discuss it. Just f_cking wrong!!!!!
I think the 12 team playoff did what it was supposed to do. Is there any argument that the top 4 teams are not in this field? Anybody left out could not make an argument that they were a Top 4 team that got screwed.
Oh shit if sec doesn’t play top games it’ll keep rankings in the sec,so it’s gonna hurt everybody else and how you determine how good other conferences are
Recap- blah blah. Florida is really a great team. Even though they sucked but they’re really great. The SEC gave me a handy last night, blah blah blah. Funny that a big 12 team was 1 play away from winning the SEC in year one. Texas Tech whipped an Ole Miss team in the bowl game a few years ago even though they beat many of the big SEC teams. Take out Georgia and Bama in previous years they’re average.
Bama is ranked 11 and 2 teams behind them are in the playoffs while they stay home. In fact, Clemson is behind several other teams, yet they make it because the current CFP format is ridiculous.
The Big 10 tried to sabotage Oregon making them play 8 Big 10 conf games in a row with 3 cross-country trips, playing 2 teams coming off their own byes. Now the playoff committee is trying to sabotage Oregon giving them the hardest path to the championship game & the SEC/Georgia the easiest path.
@ Penn State. They got the cupcake walk. They get SMU and then Boise. They are right now 8.5 point favorites against SMU and will be double digit favorites against Boise State when they get to them. They will be the heaviest favorites in the games they play. Georgia gets the winner of Indiana and Notre Dame. Likely Notre dame. But that is head and shoulders a tougher matchup than what Penn State will face. Penn State got rewarded for losing the Big 10 championship.
The SEC cannibalized each other. It was mainly in-conference games that killed them. Go independent like Notre Dame. Then you can schedule ALL out of conference games. haha
It's tough; at what point does an 11-1 SMU get ahead of ANY SEC Team? 4 losses? 5 losses? Where do you draw the line? Because you could argue that most SEC/BIG10 teams are better than SMU in any given year. It's a slippery slope. Very tough to rank when comparing apples to oranges to bananas to grapefruit with 120+ teams. I think what gave SMU the edge was the fact their only loss of the season was by 3 points and it was an early game. They were on a hot streak and dominating ACC teams. The ACC just happened to be very weak this year. Even Clemson and Louisville, who are normally solid teams.
And you and klatt are both wrong... and he ignores the fact that Bama loss to two 500 teams. What other playoff team did that? What elite team is beatable TWICE by a team that barely made a bowl?
The system is wrong. The only mistake "inside the system" was dropping SMU after losing their conference championship. Even if only from 10 to 11, they shouldn't drop at all.
Committee didn't want to put Clemson ahead of SC. SC just beat Clemson, had better losses, & same # of losses. They couldn't put Clemson ahead of SC. They could keep Clemson behind SMU b/c it was 3pt game in CLT & SMU had 1 fewer loss. Otherwise, they'd need to move SC up. But SC lost to Bama & Ole Miss, so they'd need to move them up also. Hence, SMU is out, which they didn't want to. In committee's mind SMU should be out, they just couldn't bring themselves to do it.
@ But beat 3 ranked teams, 4 until they dropped LSU out. That is more than half the playoff field. All the committee did was tell the football world that your schedule doesn’t matter. All that matters in the end is wins and losses. Who cares that you beat losing teams to get there. You will start to see weak ass games all across the country now due to the precedent they set. There is no logical world where you say Bama was better than a 2 loss Miami but not SMU, Indiana or Boise State. Especially when Miami has a better resume than those teams. To say that any of those teams did more than Alabama, Ole Miss, South Carolina and even Miami is ludicrous.
I like your opinions Josh but Disagree with you. SMU Lost and should Not be in. BTW you see the rankings, Bama is ahead of both SMU and Clemson. The argument is SMU beat NOBODY in the Top 25. That Championship was Winner IN and Loser OuT, doesn’t matter score. Bama did blow it by losing to OU but they covered the spread in a rivalry game and deserved being in the top 12 by their Resume and strength of schedule. This ACC game was almost like it was deliberate to get both teams in
Got news for you Josh, only conference champions should be in the playoffs!! That is from a FANS POV AND THE ONLY TRUE FAIR WAY TO GIVE ALL TEAMS AND CONFERENCES A SHOT!!
@@mrsullivan1709 "At 44 years old I’m plenty grown." Then there's little hope for you. "Scared" is sophomoric. Even with thumbs on the scale, BAMA couldn't get in.
Did the playoff committee come up with the format? I meanthe formats all screwed up. Started out as a 6 and 6 same for a powers five conference era.... Then consolidation happened and super conferences.... Four buyers makes no sense in that situation. They're not re-seeding which really should be happening in football.... Especially when the whole argument against this was trying to retain importance for the regular season games. The whole thing is a mess. Within the context of the format.... The selection committee did well though.... I'm so sick of Bama and their fans whining. They wet the bed against Oklahoma! Have some dignity! Stop whining like babies!
The best way to fix the playoff dilemma going forward: Go from a 12 team format to a 16 team format. The winner of the power 4 conferences championship games get 1 of the top 8 seeds determined by rankings. The rest of the seedings are determined by rank The SEC gets 3 bids The BIG 10 gets 3 bids The ACC gets 2 bids The Big 12 gets 2 bids Conferences entrees are determined by conference standing and conference tiebreaker rules and submitted by their conference, not chosen by a committee. Conferences still hold their conference championship games and the teams will be that conferences 1 and 2 entries into the playoff. The 4th highest teams from the BIG10 and SEC and the 3rd highest teams from the ACC and BIG12 play for 2 bids. This would give the SEC and BIG10 the opportunity for a 4th bid or the ACC and BIG12 the chance at a 3rd bid. These rotate on a yearly basis. example year 1 SEC vs ACC/ BIG 10 vs BIG 12 - year 2 SEC vs BIG 12/ BIG 10 vs ACC etc.. That would take care of 12 of the 16 bids. As a bonus, the conference of the playoff winner also wins a bid the next year. This give the SEC and BIG10 the chance of getting 5 teams in and the ACC and BIG 12 the chance of getting 4 in. The remaining 3 bids are given as at large bids for any non-conference teams ranked in the top 16.
SMU got in over South Carolina, Ole Miss, Miami, and Alabama and thank god because as a South Carolina fan I agree with it. It was the right thing to do with a team who was ranked top 10 and almost won the ACC championship. But the argument of "SMU got in so let's move on"? No that won't fly. Alabama is a top 20 team at best and had no business being in the conversation, and it's not even Alabama's fault. The SEC ate two of their own to have Alabama at 11 and F the SEC and the committee and ESPN.
@@braydndover3222 I am, always have been, and always will be but I separate what I think is right/wrong from what I want to happen. The SEC and SEC officials are who kept our Gamecocks out, not SMU.
Since everyone doesn't play conference championships, they shouldn't count towards the playoffs, win or lose. Conferences are not balanced at all. Weak teams from weak conferences can't be considered one of the 12 best just by the win/loss record.
I like your opinions Josh but Disagree with you. SMU Lost and should Not be in. BTW you see the rankings, Bama is ahead of both SMU and Clemson. The argument is SMU beat NOBODY in the Top 25. That Championship was Winner IN and Loser OuT, doesn’t matter score. Bama did blow it by losing to OU but they covered the spread in a rivalry game and deserved being in the top 12 by their Resume and strength of schedule. This ACC game was almost like it was deliberate to get both teams in
Clemson was ranked 12th (below SMU) because the protocols say to put the a conference champion ranked out outside of the top 12 at the 12th seed.
Interesting that they invented a rule on the spot that if you're in the top 12 rankings, losing your conference title is an auto-bid.
Playoff options:
All teams in the Power4 conference championship games (8 teams) get a bye.
The 2 best teams that played in a G5 conference championship game (2 teams) get a bye.
This makes playing in a conference championship game matter.
The winners of their conference championship games get a home game for their first match-ups game. This will make winning the conference championship games matter.
During the byes of those 10 qualifier teams, the next best 12 teams play to get 6 teams for wildcard selection. This way, everyone plays same number of games going into the Sweet 16. Only teams that might end up playing an extra game are those in G5 that ranked lower than 12 like say Army but at least they will get a chance to compete for a wildcard spot rather than being left out.
@@EulogyfortheAngels Pretty Pathetic of them
The flaw in the system right now is the automatic byes for the champs. You should get an auto bid but not a bye.
I couldn't agree more.
Yeah, I agree with the auto-bid but not a bye. The auto-bid is sufficient and merited to reward a conference champion. The conference champion bye, in its current scheme, irreparably screws up the seeding. This was a foreseeable blunder. But, this concession was reportedly needed to get the conferences to agree to an expanded playoff. The sooner this format is tweaked, the better.
Facts
I suspect that the irony here is that the auto-byes were put in to protect the SEC from having few-loss non-SEC teams getting them over a banged-up SEC champ.
That’s one of the flaws.
All of this is so arbitrary and subjective. This demonstrates how stupid this CFP structure is.
That’s the whole point
It’s meant to be subjective
It’s a TV show
I think it makes things fun and dramatic. Gets people talking.
I would much prefer FCS bracket. Top 24 teams after 12 games (not conference champs) and use the old BCS system.
I’m trying to figure out how conference championship participation was supposed to protect you, but BYU jumped ISU, and UNLV went from 20-24.
Playoff options:
All teams in the Power4 conference championship games (8 teams) get a bye.
The 2 best teams that played in a G5 conference championship game (2 teams) get a bye.
This makes playing in a conference championship game matter.
The winners of their conference championship games get a home game for their first match-ups game. This will make winning the conference championship games matter.
During the byes of those 10 qualifier teams, the next best 12 teams play to get 6 teams for wildcard selection. This way, everyone plays same number of games going into the Sweet 16. Only teams that might end up playing an extra game are those in G5 that ranked lower than 12 like say Army but at least they will get a chance to compete for a wildcard spot rather than being left out. Also shorten the regular season to 10 games and no scheduling FCS teams. G5 must schedule 1 game from each of the Power4 conferences. Power4 must schedule 1 game from each of the remaining Power4 conferences and 1 game from G5. This means everyone will have 4 games in the FBS that is against another conference that can play spoiler in rankings even if you schedule the other conferences bottom teams.
Here's the thing. Alabama with 2 losses in the regular season vs the 1-loss (in the regular season) Conference Championship loser would have been a more heated debate and that's where we would have seen the bias of choosing a big name like Bama. In fact, it probably wouldn't have been much of a debate at all. They would choose Bama. Now the question I have is: would the opponent ranking make a difference? Is it simply because Clemson went 9-3? Because Penn State and Texas did not get penalized at all for losing their Conference Championship games. Both are still seeded ahead of Notre Dame. The ONLY reason SMU got in is because disrespecting the conference championship games would put a wrench in not just the new format, but the entire FBS.
There needs to be more that goes into SOS other than hypotheticals. Roster projections clearly aren't always right, or even near right. Do they take into consideration weather, travel, rivalries, etc... Not that it should be the sole basis of a SOS but it needs to be included.. Having to travel across 2 states for a month vs 3 time zones is wildly different.
THEY NEED TO GET A MACHINE LIKE THE LOTTERY, AND HAVE 12 BALLS EACH WITH A TEAM LOGO. AND THE FIRST FOUR BALLS GET THE BYE, THEN THE NEXT BALLS ARE THE MATCHUPS, IT WOULD BE RANDOM AND FAIR!
Taking the Top 4 doesn't fix SEC bias or the problem with the playoffs. Texas still doesn't have a single quality win to justify their ranking. Georgia needed 8 overtimes at home to beat the 5th best team in the ACC Georgia Tech. Bama with 3 losses who lost by 21 to a 1 & 5 SEC team was still in the mix for a playoff spot.
🤣 bama can roll tide they 🍑 to the toilet bowl!!!
14 out of the past 24 national championships are from the SEC. The SEC simply has the best players on average. We see this every year with the NFL draft. You can't define SEC bias. You just don't like the reality of it all.
@@dawgpost90 Preseason polls are used to inflate SEC SOS ... the regular season polls are based on the bias preseason polls. The SEC titles are tainted. You can see this year the SEC is WAY overrated. Not a single elite team in that bad league.
@frostymug3123 Preseaon polls don't determine sos. The SEC beat up on itself. You're not giving any logical arguments. You simply don't like that the SEC objectively has the highest concentration of talent. Yet again, 14 out of the last 24 buddy. But go off about irrelevant preseason rankings.
@@dawgpost90 Regular season polls are based on preseason polls and used to justify SOS. Are you new to college football?
And they put Penn St above Ohio St, hmm, who won that matchup. Joel Klatt just dissected this and showed how Blatantly Blew it. Gave so much Value to the Conference Championships and they bent over Backwards to include SMU. Joel went on record to say Bama is a Better team and a Better resume. The Committee punished ranked teams an avg of 6 spots Down with a loss in the regular season. But after the Conference Championships down an avg of 1 point, what a Joke. The SEC, the Top Conference gets 3 teams, WTF! And the two teams who got punished the most, was Tennessee and Oregon. Their Paths are more difficult.
Who did Ohio state play on saturday?
"The Committee punished ranked teams an avg of 6 spots Down with a loss in the regular season. But after the Conference Championships down an avg of 1 point." Good. Are we seriously trying to act like a regular season loss is in anyway the same as a conference championship loss? The committee already put Ohio State behind Penn State after they lost to Michigan, why would they then reward Ohio State for sitting at home on saturday? It stands to reason that a conference championship game is a privilege two teams earn throughout the course of the regular season and teams who were not good enough to get into their conference championship in the first place shouldn't leap frog whoever happens to lose that game.
I'd like to add this is coming from a big10/SEC perspective
Updated Playoff options:
All teams in the Power4 conference championship games (8 teams) get a bye.
The 2 best teams that played in a G5 conference championship game (2 teams) get a bye.
This makes playing in a conference championship game matter.
The winners of their conference championship games get a home game for their first match-ups game. This will make winning the conference championship games matter.
During the byes of those 10 qualifier teams, the next best 12 teams play to get 6 teams for wildcard selection. This way, everyone plays same number of games going into the Sweet 16. Only teams that might end up playing an extra game are those in G5 that ranked lower than 12 like say Army but at least they will get a chance to compete for a wildcard spot rather than being left out. Also shorten the regular season to 10 games and no scheduling FCS teams. G5 must schedule 1 game from each of the Power4 conferences. Power4 must schedule 1 game from each of the remaining Power4 conferences and 1 game from G5. This means everyone will have 4 games in the FBS that is against another conference that can play spoiler in rankings even if you schedule the other conferences bottom teams.
SMU was similar to TCU, lost conference championship game close, everyone knew they didn't belong, made it in anyway. To their credit they did beat Michigan but the natty that year proved they didn't remotely belong.
Bama didn't deserve it either but the committee clearly didn't care about anything but the backlash they'd get if Bama got in but SMU was out.
Josh, I'm a Carolina fan and you know as well as I do if anyone really and very truely got screwed over it was us cause we beat LSU and that would make 10 wins, 4 of them over ranked teams including Clemson who got in as the ACC champions right after we beat them on their beloved Frank Howard field,but nobody wants to even discuss it. Just f_cking wrong!!!!!
Preach
Y'all treat football fans like they don't know what they are talking about. Y'all are full of crap
I think the 12 team playoff did what it was supposed to do. Is there any argument that the top 4 teams are not in this field? Anybody left out could not make an argument that they were a Top 4 team that got screwed.
Oh shit if sec doesn’t play top games it’ll keep rankings in the sec,so it’s gonna hurt everybody else and how you determine how good other conferences are
Recap- blah blah. Florida is really a great team. Even though they sucked but they’re really great. The SEC gave me a handy last night, blah blah blah. Funny that a big 12 team was 1 play away from winning the SEC in year one. Texas Tech whipped an Ole Miss team in the bowl game a few years ago even though they beat many of the big SEC teams. Take out Georgia and Bama in previous years they’re average.
They got it wrong by mandating the top 5 seats. Just take the top 12 teams. Besides there aren't 12 worthy teams
Who gets to determine their worth? If that's the sole criteria, just go back to best 4 teams.
Bama is ranked 11 and 2 teams behind them are in the playoffs while they stay home. In fact, Clemson is behind several other teams, yet they make it because the current CFP format is ridiculous.
Love Josh Pate.
The Big 10 tried to sabotage Oregon making them play 8 Big 10 conf games in a row with 3 cross-country trips, playing 2 teams coming off their own byes. Now the playoff committee is trying to sabotage Oregon giving them the hardest path to the championship game & the SEC/Georgia the easiest path.
The easiest paths are the teams who lost to Georgia and Oregon.
@@mrsullivan1709 For Oregon I agree, nobody got an easier path to the championship game than Georgia.
@ Penn State. They got the cupcake walk. They get SMU and then Boise. They are right now 8.5 point favorites against SMU and will be double digit favorites against Boise State when they get to them. They will be the heaviest favorites in the games they play. Georgia gets the winner of Indiana and Notre Dame. Likely Notre dame. But that is head and shoulders a tougher matchup than what Penn State will face. Penn State got rewarded for losing the Big 10 championship.
@frostymug3123 they already played a tough regular season
Please let the SEC stop scheduling tough out of conference opponents. Long term it would start to break that conference down.
Look at Indiana and Ohio States out of conference schedule and then come back tell me they ain't all same. Please.. they all played high school teams.
@@TrixieFreeman These Committees only care about records and getting to the Conference Championship so yes, restructure your Non-Conference games.
The SEC cannibalized each other. It was mainly in-conference games that killed them. Go independent like Notre Dame. Then you can schedule ALL out of conference games. haha
@ You have a point because this doesn’t help. Rewarding teams for losing conference championship games.
I don’t Agree with you Josh and neither does Joel Klatt. SMU with their soft schedule should NEVER have been ranked so high and got in after a Loss
100%
When you get spanked by a .500 team, then you have no room to talk.
It's tough; at what point does an 11-1 SMU get ahead of ANY SEC Team? 4 losses? 5 losses? Where do you draw the line? Because you could argue that most SEC/BIG10 teams are better than SMU in any given year. It's a slippery slope. Very tough to rank when comparing apples to oranges to bananas to grapefruit with 120+ teams. I think what gave SMU the edge was the fact their only loss of the season was by 3 points and it was an early game. They were on a hot streak and dominating ACC teams. The ACC just happened to be very weak this year. Even Clemson and Louisville, who are normally solid teams.
And you and klatt are both wrong... and he ignores the fact that Bama loss to two 500 teams. What other playoff team did that? What elite team is beatable TWICE by a team that barely made a bowl?
@ The SEC is far superior to the Big 12. SOS far better for Bama and 3-1 vs top 19. SMU lost to the best teams they faced and No Wins vs top 20, ZERO
So Josh just said quality wins don't matter teams that don't play quality opponents get in????
I would love to see Boise State or SMU or ASU win it all.
The system is wrong. The only mistake "inside the system" was dropping SMU after losing their conference championship. Even if only from 10 to 11, they shouldn't drop at all.
Just reseed teams after each round of playoffs. That’s all that needs to happen
Committee didn't want to put Clemson ahead of SC. SC just beat Clemson, had better losses, & same # of losses. They couldn't put Clemson ahead of SC. They could keep Clemson behind SMU b/c it was 3pt game in CLT & SMU had 1 fewer loss. Otherwise, they'd need to move SC up. But SC lost to Bama & Ole Miss, so they'd need to move them up also. Hence, SMU is out, which they didn't want to. In committee's mind SMU should be out, they just couldn't bring themselves to do it.
If not Bama, why not include a 1 loss ARMY?
Texas didn’t want to play SMU? What proof do y’all have of that? Who said that?
Talking heads who are more interested in sports betting than they are in college athletics.
PATE STAAAAAAAAAAATE!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bama had to give up their spot for a team ranked 5 spots behind them.
Alabama sucked this year 😂
@ They’re still better than half the field. Especially Indiana, Boise State and the ACC.
@@o.g.originalgentry5831Sure sport. Only beat Georgia and three other top 25 teams
@@mrsullivan1709 maybe people are sick of the same team year in and year out,plus bama were beat by 2 unranked sec teams. Better luck next year!
@ But beat 3 ranked teams, 4 until they dropped LSU out. That is more than half the playoff field. All the committee did was tell the football world that your schedule doesn’t matter. All that matters in the end is wins and losses. Who cares that you beat losing teams to get there. You will start to see weak ass games all across the country now due to the precedent they set. There is no logical world where you say Bama was better than a 2 loss Miami but not SMU, Indiana or Boise State. Especially when Miami has a better resume than those teams. To say that any of those teams did more than Alabama, Ole Miss, South Carolina and even Miami is ludicrous.
That's why the playoffs should be conference champions only so we don't have to listen to all of this talk
I like your opinions Josh but Disagree with you. SMU Lost and should Not be in. BTW you see the rankings, Bama is ahead of both SMU and Clemson. The argument is SMU beat NOBODY in the Top 25. That Championship was Winner IN and Loser OuT, doesn’t matter score. Bama did blow it by losing to OU but they covered the spread in a rivalry game and deserved being in the top 12 by their Resume and strength of schedule. This ACC game was almost like it was deliberate to get both teams in
Give all the teams a gold star sticker and send them with a trophy because that’s what this playoff system is about!
The automatic buys make it interesting stop complaining when your conference championship, and be ranked in higher
Got news for you Josh, only conference champions should be in the playoffs!! That is from a FANS POV AND THE ONLY TRUE FAIR WAY TO GIVE ALL TEAMS AND CONFERENCES A SHOT!!
They didn’t want bama in because they were scared bama would be bama and win it all.
I suspect you will post better comments when you grow up...
@ At 44 years old I’m plenty grown. That is just a fact. Bama is dangerous and they know it.
Crack is a helluva drug 😂
@ yall are all just haters that didn’t want your teams to have to play them.
@@mrsullivan1709 "At 44 years old I’m plenty grown."
Then there's little hope for you. "Scared" is sophomoric.
Even with thumbs on the scale, BAMA couldn't get in.
If you think SMU can win in the sec you are full of crap ! The two teams that beat Bama would kick the crap out of SMU , Indiana 💯💯😡
Told ya'll Bama was out!!!!!!!
Did the playoff committee come up with the format? I meanthe formats all screwed up. Started out as a 6 and 6 same for a powers five conference era.... Then consolidation happened and super conferences.... Four buyers makes no sense in that situation. They're not re-seeding which really should be happening in football.... Especially when the whole argument against this was trying to retain importance for the regular season games. The whole thing is a mess. Within the context of the format.... The selection committee did well though.... I'm so sick of Bama and their fans whining. They wet the bed against Oklahoma! Have some dignity! Stop whining like babies!
I can't listen to Pate anymore. Dude kisses every fan bases arse. Not sure who's worse Pate or McAfee.
Both are equally cringe
Go find your preferred echo chamber then?
The best way to fix the playoff dilemma going forward:
Go from a 12 team format to a 16 team format.
The winner of the power 4 conferences championship games get 1 of the top 8 seeds determined by rankings. The rest of the seedings are determined by rank
The SEC gets 3 bids
The BIG 10 gets 3 bids
The ACC gets 2 bids
The Big 12 gets 2 bids
Conferences entrees are determined by conference standing and conference tiebreaker rules and submitted by their conference, not chosen by a committee.
Conferences still hold their conference championship games and the teams will be that conferences 1 and 2 entries into the playoff.
The 4th highest teams from the BIG10 and SEC and the 3rd highest teams from the ACC and BIG12 play for 2 bids. This would give the SEC and BIG10 the opportunity for a 4th bid or the ACC and BIG12 the chance at a 3rd bid. These rotate on a yearly basis. example year 1 SEC vs ACC/ BIG 10 vs BIG 12 - year 2 SEC vs BIG 12/ BIG 10 vs ACC etc..
That would take care of 12 of the 16 bids. As a bonus, the conference of the playoff winner also wins a bid the next year. This give the SEC and BIG10 the chance of getting 5 teams in and the ACC and BIG 12 the chance of getting 4 in.
The remaining 3 bids are given as at large bids for any non-conference teams ranked in the top 16.
If the SEC and/or B1G get a higher number of autos, that also becomes a cap. Codifying an advantage suggests an insecurity,
SMU got in over South Carolina, Ole Miss, Miami, and Alabama and thank god because as a South Carolina fan I agree with it. It was the right thing to do with a team who was ranked top 10 and almost won the ACC championship. But the argument of "SMU got in so let's move on"? No that won't fly. Alabama is a top 20 team at best and had no business being in the conversation, and it's not even Alabama's fault. The SEC ate two of their own to have Alabama at 11 and F the SEC and the committee and ESPN.
You aren’t a SC fan
@@braydndover3222 I am, always have been, and always will be but I separate what I think is right/wrong from what I want to happen. The SEC and SEC officials are who kept our Gamecocks out, not SMU.
Since everyone doesn't play conference championships, they shouldn't count towards the playoffs, win or lose. Conferences are not balanced at all. Weak teams from weak conferences can't be considered one of the 12 best just by the win/loss record.
You can’t say BAMA didn’t get screwed and say BAMA would beat 1/3 of the field easily. Obviously the format did in fact screw BAMA by your own logic.
BAMA could also lose to each team in the playoff.
Pate is a joke
I like your opinions Josh but Disagree with you. SMU Lost and should Not be in. BTW you see the rankings, Bama is ahead of both SMU and Clemson. The argument is SMU beat NOBODY in the Top 25. That Championship was Winner IN and Loser OuT, doesn’t matter score. Bama did blow it by losing to OU but they covered the spread in a rivalry game and deserved being in the top 12 by their Resume and strength of schedule. This ACC game was almost like it was deliberate to get both teams in