Are Ultralight Packs Really This Bad?
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How about the Osprey Levity 60? 15.2 ounces.... lighter than most of what you just listed.
Dude, the capacity measuring you did made my day. I’ve always wondered if those figures were nominal or actual and it was SO satisfying the way you did it!
Glad you enjoyed it. I was surprised at how tall each pack was when “full” I don’t think you could actually hike with them that tall.
@@MyLifeOutdoors that was always my hunch. I’d be curious to see a breakdown on capacity with the top closed and what percentage of nominal capacity that is.
I second this notion.
yes, excellent way of testing the pack's capacity.
@MyLifeOutdoors you haven't tried the flextrek whipsnake 37 trillion!?
Your genuine approach to reviewing travel equipment is truly commendable. Your honest evaluations, highlighting both the positives and negatives of each item, make your videos incredibly valuable for anyone looking for reliable insights. Keep up the fantastic work!
I really appreciate that! Thank you
Another clear, specific, well-paced video that's very helpful. Well done.
Best way to present your sponsor I've seen thus far. Creative!
Great vid - as always!
I’ll take comfort over a light weight pack anytime.
What pack do you carry?
But the more lightweight my pack is, the more comfortable I am while hiking lmao. Im a 100% different hiker when my pack weighs around 25lbs vs 15 lbs.
After a career in the Marines light is comfort. I almost quit backpacking due to the wear and tear. While I’m not ultralight, the ultralight options changed the game for me.
It is possible to have both 😎
@@zakkmiller8242But are you a 100% different hiker when the only difference is a 2lb pack vs a 4lb pack?
I received my Bonfus Framus 48 a bit before christmas. Haven't had it out on a big trip yet, but it feels great and can't wait to start using it!
I took that Hyperlite on a trip and loaded it with about 35 pounds of food and gear and it was horrible. The cheesy belt would not stay on my hips and my neck and shoulders were destroyed after the first day. I believe the rating for that pack is 40 pounds, but I wouldn’t put much more than 20 in it. I traded up to a heavier pack with belts that actually cup the iliac crest so the weight stays on the hips. Well worth a couple of extra pounds.
HMG is the facade of UL backpacks. They are all too heavy and over-priced for what functionality orfeatures they have. That’s why they’re called Meh packs.
Great video. I absolutely want to get the arch haul but, like you said, the price is the barrier and buying the hip belts just makes it that more expensive.
Those load lifters make a huge difference for me. I tried two different sizes of the hyperlite and wanted that pack to work. It checks most of the boxes for me but in the end, shoulder pain caused by the straps were too uncomfortable after a few hours of wearing it with 20lbs of gear. No matter how i adjusted the frames, it just wouldn’t work for me.
Magic straps really are magic to my backpacking experience. 🎉
Always fun, Steve. And always informative. Thanks.
glad to see the mariposa here, I just ordered one a couple days ago as my first lightweight pack, looking forward to it!
Like the 6 Moon Designs Minimalist V2, Mystery ranch Bridger also has a vest design also in 50L.
I haven’t heard of the 6 Moons pack till today, so it’s great to hear there’s more of the vest designs popping up!!
Proving once again why this is THE best backpacking channel on the tube.
That’s high praise! Thanks so much
Steven, thanks for this well thought out video for people considering upgrading their backpacks or even purchasing their first one. So much to consider, your visuals and explanations should really take the mystery out of what packs to buy. I bought the GG Mariposa 60L for myself and my husband from GGG. We love these UL packs for the external pockets to grab needed items instantly and shaving over 3 lbs. off the weight of our Gregory Diva and Baltoro 60L packs. The only thing I don't like is the way the top clips down in the back of the pack. That was probably why you couldn't get it to close. The top pocket is difficult to get into when the straps are cinched down tightly. Other than that, we're both quite happy with these packs. We buy a lot of interesting things on GGG. Love the little collapsible Fozzils Bowlz. Now, we have a plate and bowl all in one and it takes up next to nothing as far as room in the pack. Also, cleaning is a breeze when you unsnap it to rinse it off! You can go wrong for cottage industry innovation than Garage Grown Gear, IMO! 😉👍
Nice review. I like how you put the bloopers at the end 🙂Currently I'm using the Osprey Exos Pro 55 and still happy with that. Slightly heavier than the "ultralight" but that trampoline back is really great for ventilation.
I’ve had the regular Exos 58 for a few years now. Still under 3 pounds, carries weight nicely, and the trampoline back saves me from a lot of sweat. I think eventually I’ll move up to the exos pro, it looks great!
I've never known anybody with an Exos 5x that regretted getting it.
I have the Osprey Exos 55 and I keep it in my trunk in case I want to hike somewhere that I'll need extra gear that my Targus day pack can't carry. I think it's a classic.
Thats a real backpack with an MSRP of $300. 2 of those packs are $400.
With the gossamer gear, if they say it's a 60L pack, they're measuring EVERYTHING. I have a Kumo 36 from them, and the internal volume of the main pocket is only 28L. The other 8 liters are in the front mesh pocket, and the side water bottle pockets. I love the packs but wish they'd be more up front about how small the packs are. Although, the lack of space did force me to go more ultralight, so maybe Gossamer is just trying to get us all to be more UL?
Edit; Just looked it up and gossamer gear only claims a capacity of 36L in the main pocket of the mariposa. They say there's 24L spread across the exterior pockets.
Thanks for your video. I’m making loadlifters for my Hyperlite before my next thru hike in March. Fellow Texan here in dfw btw
Love your channel. It's interesting and different.
Thank you for the effort!!
Loved this! Great illustration.
I have an Atom Packs Mo40. Has a sturdy removable hip belt. Load lifters and I think it weighs around 28oz with one zippered hip pouch and Chicken Tamper water bottle carrier on the shoulder strap. I got funky colors to make it one of a kind.
I hope you do a future episode on the Kakwa 55 out on the trail. Cool ultralight actual liter test.
I always wondered about the stated capacity. Great video
Great video! I’ve been using expedition packs for the last two decades because they haul loads well, every single item can go inside (I hated the days of strapping a lot to the outside), and I can choose how full I want it. However, there’s a high likelihood that my old “strategy” will change when I do the PCT, where a lighter and more agile pack is looking more probable. Some great information to consider here.
It is hard to know what is going to be comfortable until you actually try a pack, and know how to adjust it! That said, I have a Kakwa 40 that is by far the most comfortable pack I have ever used, and I have use many!!! It does not allow any airflow on the back, but for me, that is not a deal breaker when it is so wonderful to wear. Awesome review, keep them comming.
And yet there’s almost no way to try any of these packs on before we buy them.
@@Chase3141 Yep, if you can’t borrow one or find a used one for a steal it could be a very expensive disappointment.
Same here! I have the 40 and the 55. I wish I could fit everything into my 40 because it feels like part of my body. The 55 is really close but somehow not quite the same.
That's intersting the 55 is not the same fit. I literally forget I have my Kakwa 40 pack on most of the time I am hiking. I just can't say that for any of my other packs.
Love that you did the volume test on the packs. Keep them honest!
Thanks for adding the weights in metric! 😁😁
Always wanted to do a fill with water test, but kind of impractical in a condo without even bathtub for protection if anything go wrong. Great test!
Trust me…lots went wrong on this one…each pack was about 120 lbs once full. Very hard to keep up right And when you dump it there was no controlling the water…
I count 5 packs in the opening shot :) good video buddy. Still loving my REI Flash 55!
Nice video.......I love my Zpacks Arc Haul 40......it's the best backpak I've had in my entire life.
In the UK we have a brand called Montane who do an 'almost' ultralight pack with the running harness set up, it's called the Trailblazer and I have the 44L version but it's a Tardis, I can fit my tent in one of the side pockets for example meaning it leaves the 44L main sections free, and the design means it has compression straps which double up to hold my tent in place, I don't think it was even designed to be used that way but it works for me, it's 2.16lbs and all their gear is designed more for fast hikers and mountain runners, the back length can also be adjusted with an easy to use Velcro adjustment system, I love the running pack style shoulder straps with bult in pockets though.
not from uk but second for this, can't wait to get it delivered so I can put it to test. After long thorough research for a budget friendly, framed, adjustable and ultralight pack i bumped into the montane 44, from that point couldn't find anything which could justify the extra price for what it offers, less than 120E, what could i ask more for. I'm aware of certain downsides presented by others but willing to take them.
How is the overall durability of that pack though, sewn failures or ripped material (excluding the mesh thing, that's kinda obvious for any pack). What about the frame, is it holding well? Padding comfy enough (we talking about ul, so a total weight of 10-12kg)?
Decathlon's Men's Trekking Backpack 70 L - MT100 EASYFIT is a possible contener@@antoniolaza736
Yes I have the montane 44L backpack too and it’s SO comfy!!
I wore someone’s Hyperlite Unbound 40L pack for a section of the hike and was immediately in pain on my shoulders. The montane is actually a very similar weight to the Unbound 40 but with way more comfortable features
The Mystery Ranch Bridger series of packs offers that running-vest-style shoulder rig you liked. Of course, they're not UL packs, but they are incredibly comfortable.
The “arc” on the Zpacks packs is great for ventilation, but it also has a downside … the more arc you put on the stays, the lower the pack’s internal capacity. I’ve just upgraded from the 55L Arc Blast) to the 70L to recoup the internal space lost to the curving stays. Either way it’s still a great pack 👍
Thanks for pointing that out. Used to have an Osprey daypack and it was so "shallow" that once I put in my water bladder, I had a hard time putting anything else in there...plus I wish the 70L would have more padding on hip/shoulder straps than the smaller version since they carry more. It still would be an ultralight pack anyway
@@kevinstarski1598 Sounds like my Stratos 24. Once I mostly stopped using bladders it became more useful, but the hip belt is still too short. I’m not “one size” like the pack LOL.
I have the Kakwa 40 and Kakwa 55… it’s the most comfortable pack I’ve ever used. I LOVE this pack!
AWSOME pack and I have a bad L5 disk. I own the 55 the weight stays on my hips and the pack is super stable and the pockets are the best I have ever used.
That Bonfus is so ultralight, you couldn’t even see it in the original lineup!
Love this overview. It’s funny how misunderstood this class of packs are to those who don’t have experience with them. I’m one of those weirdos who hasn’t even put on a “traditional” pack in years.
I believe the pseudo-standard for pack capacity testing is ping pong balls, oddly enough. Also, most pack makers list the internal vs external volumes of their packs. It is all over the place! From their websites:
Arch Haul:
50L (37L main body, 2.5L each side pocket, 8L center pocket)
Southwest:
Internal 55L, External 9.8L
Mariposa:
Main Pack Body to Extension Collar Seam 36L,
Spread Across 7 Exterior Pockets
24 L
Minimalist V2:
Body
2441 ci | 40 L
Extension Collar
550 ci | 9 L
Exterior Pockets
610 ci | 10 L
Kakwa 55
Internal Volume (S / M / L)
43L / 46L / 49L
-
External Volume (S / M / L)
15L
Framus
50L internal volume, 8L external pockets
I should have gone looking for this info. Based on my test it all sounds pretty accurate except the Minimalist and the Mariposa can both hold much more than they claim. But they might start getting top heavy.
@@MyLifeOutdoors Re-reading my comment, I meant to say the measurement standards are all over the place. 😃
Should have added the load carrying capability. It matters especially on water carry. Not everyone can go from water source to another two times a day.
@ Yes! Weight capacity is very important, too. As a frequent desert hiker, I can relate.
@@jpriddle Just filling 15 litres of water bottles for a 3-day desert hike. That’s 33 lb + gear. 🤜🤛 Edited: with only gear I could make it work with 38L pack but for load carrying capacity, I’m taking a 75L one.
Love the water-fill volume verification!
I love my kakwa 55. Although there have been a few hot Queensland days where I would have liked some back ventilation. Would love to see a full kakwa review.
Best commercial addition ever!
I love my gossamer gear Mariposa. It fits my torso perfectly, has padding in all the right places, and I like the extra space, so I don’t have to be so particular about how I load it up:)
I love my Mountain Laurel Designs Exodus. I ordered a second one with no hipbelt. The shoulder straps are bigger than most UL packs. It is comfortable with about 22 pounds though I usually start a section with about 19 with 4 days food and 1 liter of water. Load lifters are not needed for lighter loads. I started hiking with a giant Lowe internal frame pack that was over 6 pounds. Because it was adjustable it was so comfortable and the weight transferred to my hips. But 45 pounds was still 45 pounds. Now my big 3 pack, sleep system, tent, and #4 my cook system come in at less than 6 pounds. You can't expect to carry heavy weight or mid weight in a ultralight pack. I assume the pocket volume is included in pack volume. It's all part of the pack.
I used one on my PCT thru, last year. Mine started to delaminate, badly, after 6 weeks of use. Did you have a similar experience?
Love KS Ultralight packs. Mine is a 67L, framed with tons of back padding, and water resistant. 1.5lbs :)
After a shoulder injury a few years ago I switched to the minimalist v2 for the trail running harness instead of normal shoulder straps. Easily the best gear decision I’ve ever made. One of the most comfortable backpacks I’ve ever carried in the 30 something years I’ve been backpacking.
❤ my Kakwa 44 - it's almost perfect for
I bought a zpack bag and I like it.. I don't love it, but the lightweight definitely does help on long hikes
Love The water-based pack, volume check! 💦 I have always wanted to see that done.
great video thanks 🙂
I have an Osprey Exos 38 which without the brain (which is actually removable) weighs just 1 kg (2.2 pounds).
An ultralight backpack to be worth calling ultralight must be at least weigh around 0.5 kg (500 g / 1.1 pounds): that's why I went for the Liteway Eq. 35 Liters, with its 420 grams (0.92 pounds) seemed the perfect choice!
Unfortunately the Osprey Exos 38 is much more comfortable anyway... and at the end of the day 500 g / 1.1 pounds is equivalent to half a litre of water... in my opinion the gain in lightness is not worth the loss in comfort.
I wish I had gotten into this back when I was doing a lot of hiking trips. These days I'm just down to simple over nighters or motocamping. Just taking it easy and avoiding the crowds is my goal now.
Great video- i really like your channel 🔥
The mariposa is 36l inside- 24 is in the outer pockets.
Also- i think you got some weight-conversions mixed up- between the SMD and mariposa.
Mariposa is the most comfortable UL pack i've tried.
Tho- i recently got a LiteAF curve 46 framed. I think it will be the new nr1 :)
Very likely. I copy and paste the conversion titles and then change the values. It’s possible I forgot to change one or got them switched
Me to.Hey thanks great info love it big guy
Kind of feels like you were talking about me in your intro Steven! haha, great video! I may have some things to consider...
I totally wasn’t but some others did mention you in the comments. Haha. I need to try Mystery Ranch too. Maybe we can trade
I’m rocking a Mountainsmith Scream 55 I got for $88 on sale. It’s a little under 3 lbs and comfortable.
A fun capacity test, and one I've contemplated doing myself. However, for those who may not know, different companies measure pack volume differently, by including or not including all the outside pockets. Six Moon Designs, for example, claims the Mariposa's main body is only 36L (up to the extension tube), and then adds on the volume of the outside pockets to reach 60. Dan Dursten makes a general claim of about 15L for external pockets, etc. So you do have to do some research, to figure out if a pack will hold what you want, the way you want.
Thank you for adding the weight also in metric! Love from 🇫🇮
Had several packs over the years, starting back when Cordura was the leading edge in advanced textiles. Currently using a Kakwa 55 in medium. It's perfectly fine for up to 16 kilograms but 19 is too much. Not the most comfortable pack I've ever had but among the best (with an almost-deflated air mattress as lumbar padding). Surprisingly tough and durable, except for the velcro for the frame pocket. I considered the Atom Packs "The Mo" before buying the Kakwa. Perhaps I'll get one to try... Another (not quite ultralight but impressive) pack is the Osprey Exos Pro 55. My step-grandson now has one of those.
Load lifters are a must for me, but my wife now has both sizes of the Southwest and loves them. And it's amazing what comes out of them when she sets up camp! There are at least a couple of kids who are convinced the Southwest is a magic bag, bigger on the inside than the outside.
Magic bag without magic straps lol
I have a granite gear vapor trail that I really like. I weighed it at 32oz and it was only $60. That was used, but it gave me the courage to modify it to make it perfect for me. :^)
Thanks for the video.
The ZPacks Rc Haul 60l is even listed to "only" fit 47l in the main compartment on their website.
8l are in the mesh and 2.5l on the sides each.
So that's really not a surprise. That you could fit 60l (without closing) is the real one 🙂
ZPack volumes include pockets, not just main compartment - as detailed on their specs and website. Main compartment on a 55 is actually 42 by memory.
In my opinion the Durston is the best compromise between comfort and weight. I just wish it had an ice axe loop, choices of color, and that the zipper in the side pocket be removed (it's useless).
I have an Outdoor Vitals Shadowlight 60 that works great for me. I haven’t seen anything else that I would switch to, especially for the price.
i'll take my extremly comfy ossprey any day of the week, love the reviews though!
I really enjoyed this!
Internal capacity of the main compartment is not the same as advertised overall capacity. Pretty sure thats not news to anyone. I enjoyed seeing them all filled up. Now for the super cut slapping the jiggly packs.
I've been using he HMG for years. It's more expensive but it's CF. That makes a difference. It lasts longer, is more water proof and holds up to abrasion very well. As long as you aren't loading 40+ pounds (hello, ultra LIGHT...) it's an amazing pack.
I've also got a zpack arc haul for my son and it likewise is fantastic. I wish I had one that would fit me to try the "arc" system. Next pack I get might be a zpack for that reason.
No matter what, I'll be getting a pack made from CF.
Yes, but part of the blame lies with HMG for stating that the Southwest 40, for example, can carry up to 40lb. Physically, yes, but in anything resembling comfort for the hiker? Probably not.
@@philsmith2444 the tensile strength of the materials far exceed the stated pack load capacity, so it's designed, if properly fitted and worn, to carry up to 40lbs comfortably. First, you have to define comfort, which many people in this ultralight world means that if it feels heavy it's uncomfortable. Heavy isn't uncomfortable, it's just heavy. Second, I could on and on about how many videos and pix of ultralight hikers I've seen not wearing packs correctly or wearing improperly sized packs. If you aren't properly wearing a pack and/or it's not fitted properly, of course it's not going to be comfortable. With that said, if a pack isn't comfortable up to the max load, then you probably ought to try a pack from some other brand if the target load is up to the max load. HMG's design isn't going to fit properly thus comfortably for everyone, just as another brand's pack won't.
Mystery Ranch has packs with that vest strapping on the chest.
Yes, the Bridger series.
I've been looking at the Bridger 45 but the 4.4 lbs is a bit too much for me.
@@richbanister I hear, from other male hikers that the comfort of that pack makes the extra weight not even noticeable. I have been strongly looking at the woman’s version.
mystery ranch is on the other side of the spektrum. Ultra heavy
For that kind of backpack 45 doesn't make sense, in my opinion. @@richbanister
One of these days you need to review the OV Shadowlight - my Shadowlight 60 is my favorite pack for many reasons.
It’s still very comfortable… I think it’s the same fit but maybe the extra size feels slightly different. I can’t put my finger on it yet, but it’s just not quite the same “OMG I LOVE THIS PACK” feeling as the 40.
SMD is not the only one to make vest strap framed backpack. I don’t it too at Atelier Longue Distance and it is true vest straps 😁
Would love to see a review of the waymark backpack
I have bought from across "The Pond" the Zpacks 60 ltr bag. The metal frame bars came out of the holding sockets by the end of each day yomp. For the money, I do not rate it at all. Yes, it is lightweight. Yes, I get my kit in it but the frame isn't secure enough to make it comfortable.
The Osprey Atmos AG65 bag is good but it weighs a lot for long-distance multi-day yomps.
Just saying!
For my needs i found out SR Flex-Capacitor 40-60 to be the best, with weight of 2 lbs 10 oz. (1.19 kg), serves me well over 2 years now, no cons at all.
Ukrainian Carpathians are rough in winter, so extra capacity helps a lot with bulkier warm gear.
Nashville Packs does the running vest straps better than anyone. Most comfortable pack I’ve ever used and weighs just over a pound. Pricey though.
Great review of these packs. I think one really good option is missing from this list: Granite Gear
Yes, my Crown2 38, Crown2 60, and Nimbus Trace Access 70 have me about ready to send my Ospreys to new homes. All I need now is a NTA 85.
One of my gripes with packs is that you really need to read the descriptions to see how big it really is. My ohm 2.0 is 63L, but the main body is 34L, and the rest of the pockets add up to 63. Works well for me, but something you need to know. So the arc haul by comparison would be a total of like 80L if they measured the same way. It’s confusing.
Don’t forget about LiteAF backpacks. I’ve been using my 40L custom pack for the past few seasons, about 30 days of backpacking. My base weight is right around 12lbs
HMG doesn't use load lifter straps because they are not needed. Load lifter straps, whether or not they actually do anything, are included when the take off points of the shoulder straps (e.g. where the shoulder strap is fixed to the back panel of the backpack) is lower than the top of the back panel which should be approximately parallel to the top of the shoulder for proper sizing. load lifters on non-rigid frame packs like the mariposa 60 aren't doing anything to transfer load, they are simply deforming the top of the back panel of the backpack. it's only because the shoulder strap take off points are lower than the top of the back panel that those packs include load lifter straps, which is basically compensating for a design choice rather than actually doing anything in reality.
2.2lbs osprey exos pro 55 lg/xlg have one and it’s great
I love me my Gossamer Gear - the Mariposa was awesome in every respect less the least waterproof material. It just got to be too much for me so I moved down to the frameless G4-20 and I like it just as well. I'd love to see them move to the more waterproof fabric...maybe at least as an option, but that would hit their great price points. Most all of these can be had at lower prices throughout the year.
PS an observation of late. Has anyone noticed that perhaps our world has reached its peak? That the rebound of the Mile Mile and a Half and PCT movies on back packing have run their course. I notice only because the sales seem to be coming more and more compared to the past. HMG seems to be getting their mind a bit righter. Just seeing a lot more sales which tells me sales may be lagging or the market is saturated. Either way good for us. As well the well made "expensive" gear lasts longer than one thinks. I still have my 10 degree EE Revelation quilt and it seems as good as the day I got it. Same with my Ghost whisperer a 12 year old Big Agnes copper spur (used sparingly now but its 10 years old). Its getting harder and harder to justify fancy new purchases. Damnit.
Cheers all
I’d have a hard time switching from my Osprey Exos 58L. Only 2.7lbs (1243g) and 2.4lbs (1105g) without the lid. It’s extremely comfortable and has amazing ventilation on the back.
I've only been backpacking for 3 years. I bought the REI Flash 55 first and I love the water bottle pocket. Super underrated feature imo. Then I bought the Kakwa 40 when it came out and it's pretty good but barely big enough for me. Both of which I thought could have bigger mesh pockets. Maybe the Kakwa 55 is a better option but I'd love a Zpacks or Mariposa. Which of all these in the video has the biggest mesh pocket?
I can name another framed pack with that kind of running-vest harness: the Mystery Ranch Bridger. Comes in 35, 45, 55 and 65L versions.
Nice review. You kinda missed Darwin's Evolve Ranger though.
I have one framed pack (45L, $250) and one frameless pack (35L, $200). Both are comfy AF as long as they aren’t overloaded.
What you think of the new black diamond beta lite? It also has the running vest design thing
I have tried different ultra light packs, and they have their use.
But on most of my hikes I have to carry food for 14 days and can not get my pack under 15 kilo (33 lbs), and when you are build like a skeleton like me it quickly becomes very uncomfortable, so I use my trusty Atmos AG 50 liter, it's a bit heavier but the comfort is so good that it's worth it.
On hikes with 10 kilo (22 lbs) or less I will use a lighter backpack.
You should check out the Virga 2 backpack.
I really appreciate that you put up metric conversions, but might want to check your sums on the ‘just over 3lb’ Six Moon Designs, it’s way more than 889g :)
I think some of my titles got switched and I just didn’t catch it
Left out the pack that's the most popular on all thru-hike. ULA circuit.
2:40 Hey Steven, just wanted to let you know that the Red Paw Packs Front Range 40L is another option in terms of internal-frame ultralight packs with running vest-style straps. No affiliation, just an fyi.
Thanks for letting me know
I like that "Mutley" laugh at the end...lol
By pure coincidence
The Gossamer Gear Mariposa volume is supposed to include pockets.
I'm a sweaty boy, so back ventilation is non-negotiable with my pack. At 41 oz. and $250, the Gregory Focal 58 has been serving me well for a couple years now.
AHA! Water after wind (tent tests)!😂 Really appreciate your “scientific” gear reviews!👍
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I have a Mariposa, it's super comfortable.
I would like to offer two comments.
Having features you don't want/need is not the same as skimping on features. For example when I purchased an HMG (Junction) it was in part because it was very water resistant and I needed a pack that could survive being repeatedly tossed off to the side of the trail into brush , rocks, dirt, etc (a frequent occurrence during trail work projects), also as I find the HMG pack does not need load lifters, so not having them is, at least for me, a feature, not a lack thereof.
It has been my experience that pack manufacturers measure volume differently, some only count the main compartment while others might include the external pockets and/or 'brain'. I am not going to try to say which is right, I just wish manufacturers were more transparent about it so purchasers were better able to compare apples to apples. It was one of the things I spent way too much time and effort looking into last time I purchased a pack.
I'll stick with my osprey at just ove 4lbs. Few years old and lasted lots of miles
My take on UL packs: If you are not a climber who wears it while hanging off a rock, buy a backpack with more structure. I had an Arcteryx Cierzo 25 back in the day and when the bottom got worn off, I replaced this with an Exped Summit 25. While super lightweight, all that makes the Exped a backpack is the fact that it has two straps to carry it on your back. It's got no structure whatsoever and in order to use it properly, you need to really fill it up so that the contents shape it into a backpack. The Arcteryx at least had a plastic "backplate" that held it in shape, but my experience is the lighter it gets, the less comfortable up to a point where backpacks wear more like gym bags. And it just does not feel good, be it while hiking, biking or anything else.
Sure hope that water didn't go to waste! Curious why you didn't include the Flash 55? Definitely lighter than some of the ones you profiled.
Mystery Ranch Bridger has that chest strap as well...didn't work for me, but just fyi
you can easily improve your volume testing
get a scale that staps to the ceiling and has a hook
taro each bag when empty
fill each bag to the brim. the trick here is to have the water already prepared. like using a small inflatable pool or drum/barrel to store the water
weigh each full bag
1kg=1l
this is faster and more accurate
With 60kg of water, you are just going to destroy the pack if you have it hanging off a hook. Very bad idea. If you really want a scale, it should be set on top of the scale
@@tsukuyomin scales of that size are expensive, and i never said to use the bag's loop to hook it.
It's cheaper to put the bag into a net that's connected to the scale
or one could build a platform with wood and rope
or take the chair and string that to the scale
the "how" is irrelevant and since it gets zero'ed by the scale in the first place, i figured some basic logic could be omitted... in order to keep my texts from getting too long
U need to review a pack by British company Built to Send. Very lightweight, absolutely bombproof, look really cool and no upper weight carry limit. I have 4 in different sizes