The Great End Times Religious Deception: Dispensationalism & Rapture Refuted -Jay Dyer
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
- I offer a critique of evangelical end times speculations, premillennialism, dispensationalism and other such nonsense.
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Been waiting for this rebuttal. Perfect timing. I was caught up in the rapture hysteria before coming to Holy Orthodoxy. Everyday was filled with this sudden expectation to be sucked into the clouds. Everything on the news was somehow connected to the imminent rapture. It’s amazing how those caught up in this heresy connect every “sign” to a sudden departure of Gods people from planet earth. Only after reading the Scripture did I see that biblical watching was nothing like this. The Apostles and early Christians were not sitting around counting feast days and lining up astrological signs. I’d love to see you debate one of these popular rapture advocates. The amount of attention and popularity they get in America is astounding. A sign of the times I guess. Shows the danger of private interpretation of the Holy Scriptures apart from the Church. Seems like a psy-op.
@@danielbelteshazzar-mg7rb the divide up the entire Bible. “Oh Matthew is to the Jews!” “Oh James is to the twelve tribes!” “Oh that’s about the tribulation saints!”. It’s lunacy. And absent from Church history.
”and he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.“
Acts 3:20-21
@@xjmg007 dude I’ve seen multiple people state they put rapture left behind notes in their shoes for when they leave behind their clothes.
@@maiaellyse7469 a Bible student who goes to a heretical Bible school will learn that heresies are "the way." No one taught anything about a rapture for the first 1,800 years of Christianity. Not even the early mainline Protestants taught your modernist heresy. To say that you believe it now is to claim that no one had the Holy Spirit or discernment to understand the Bible, even those who learned directly from the Apostles and left us writings, until relatively modern times. To believe you know more than the early Church because you're a Bible student is to have a demonic level of pride in your own intellect and also your spirituality, as the Scriptures are spiritually discerned.
@@maiaellyse7469 You're not arguing with the people here on UA-cam, you're arguing against the entire Body of Christ and are no different from a Mormon or Jehovah's witness or any other lowbrow, spiritually bankrupt heretic who is laughably ignorant about Christian history and thinks they somehow know better than everyone else. Even among Protestants, the overwhelming majority don't believe the goofy heresy you're peddling. You have no idea what anyone else teaches and can barely articulate your own ignorant views.
@@shawnpatrick1877Well said my friend!!
"The Late Great Planet Earth" was slightly influential in my conversion from agnostic to Protestant. Church history brought me to Orthodoxy.
Hal Lindsay ruined my life. I never did anything useful because I was told in the 80s and 90s "Jesus is coming back soon!". Welp. Here I am. 41. No career. No family. The Rapture crap is full on Cult.
Glory to God ☦️💝
Beautifully said. And same here
Can you have a show explaining the Talmud? Thanks for all of your hard work.
Not sure UA-cam would allow that.
Heh heh, if you ask for it, chances are, you already know enough
that will likely and swiftly bring down the ban hammer lol
Have you seen the KosherSwitch videos? For the light switches that they got declared okay for use on the sabbath?
Im Lebanese and my Orthodox great grandparents were bribed into Baptist theology in the 1940s and believed these things all while living in lebanon. Such a catastrophe it’s a poison that spreads. Now a whole side of my family is evangelical , but by Gods grace they will return to Holy Orthodoxy 🩷☦️
The Lord knows the world is confused brother we must pray!
@@Johnathan909309 and yet the bible says that god isn't the author of confusion... Prayer doesn't work, btw.
@@BorisNoiseChannelGod also doesn’t perform evil, yet evil we can see evil where good is absent. God not being the author of confusion doesn’t mean confusion doesn’t (whether negatively or positively) exist, it does because of fallen man. God bless
@@abford03 Your bible says god created good and evil. And it's the bible on which the confusion is based (over 1000 _different_ christian denominations, in the US alone, each saying the others got it wrong). If an all-knowing creator god, who therefor knows exactly what'll confuse his creation and what they would understand correctly, comes up with a message for said creation, who then, to the best of their abilities and intentions, come to conflicting interpretations and confusion about god's supposed message, something this all-knowing god _knew_ in advance, it's this god who has created this confusion, _knowingly,_ to then have it scribbled down in its holy book that he _isn't the author of confusion,_ makes him a liar too.
Anyway: the book is full of examples of this god, committing evil acts and/or ordering ''his people'' to commit evil acts against others. I could provide you with countless examples of this (from original sin (punishing the children and their children's children for what their parents (or grand-grand-grand-parents) supposedly did wrong), to destroying (killing off) all that was dear to Job, just to satisfy His ego in a wager with Satan to ''hardening the Pharaohs heart'' just to show off His magic and kill off all Egyptian firstborns, to ordering genocides, wherein some of which He made the specific point of them, having to kill the infants and cut the fetuses from their pregnant mothers wombs too; all the way down to punishing disbelievers in hell, as if belief (or having become convinced of something) is a matter of choice; as if someone like me who didn't find the book and/or what preacherfolk are selling, convincing, could -and should've decided to find it convincing and believe it anyway? It doesn't work like that, and you would think that an all-knowing benevolent creator god would understand that too, right?
Could you explain to me how you got to the conclusion that the god of the bible is _'the good guy'_ (so to speak) of the story, while there's so much evil in his actions, throughout the books it contains?
@@BorisNoiseChannel You’ve made a claim. Can you provide evidence for your claim that God creates evil.
Everyone is waiting for the world to end in the blink of an eye meanwhile it's slowly coming apart slowly but steadily.
That's what's scary. It will be for the best so society can rebuild. But what happens when you take a civilization with no morality and ethics and throw it into total anarchy?
When Jay asks what type of content we would like to hear from him, this and a sprinkle of theological debates is what I desire .
I learn a lot from these historical videos
Blood moon, apollo rising, planet x, etc. I used to be part of all that nonsense. Glory to God for pulling me to Orthodoxy and away from that garbage. Loved the vid.
Dyer wave 2024🌊🌊
Ride the Dyerwave bruh 🌊🏄♂️
@@slomorrison814 Trumpwave? Bidenwave? Nahhhhhhhh Dyerwave 🌊
@@MrTerkoizzz 💯
You’ve heard of the mud flood. You’ve heard of the blood moon. Get ready for the flood moon, and the mud blood.
Woah
Don’t forget about the blood moon moon pies
@@sandozsandwich gobblin on em right now
So is the USA and western Europe basically at this point neopaganism? Just a complete infatuation of materialism and new age type dieties.
Disagree, I would classify them both as gnostic, while it’s true that materialism is the primary motive, it’s because they discarded everything else, their dialectic, being communist, or capitalist, remains at its core, gnostic, with their “infallible” ideology as the pleroma, those that don’t get it as hylics, and those that do as pneumatics
To quote father Josiah Trenham: "Don't call them pagans. That's an insult to the pagans" 😀
What he means is: at least the pagans had a concept of the divine, and of the spiritual world. These poor souls across the North America and the Western Europe have the mindset of a moron. The shallowness and stupidity (try talking to the people about anything deeper than mortgage, real estate, taxes, investments, vacations, work...etc, and you'll be met with that empty gaze) in these regions is just astounding! What I often ask myself is: as a society, have we already passed the red line beyond which we have finally become irredeemable?
When it comes to people peddling end times false prophecies I always ask "given that we are approaching the end times, what should we do to make ourselves right with God?"
If the answer is anything other than prayer, repentence, fasting, evangelising, worship and love then they aren't serious. I know a handful of evangelicals that are saying that the end is near but merely use this belief to alienate themselves by calling those who don't believe as they do "Sheeple" or "Agents of Anti-Christ", these people would have us feverishly consulting information on stars and the movements of planets, irrelevant political developments, gematria and other such wastes of our time. This would not be to help people but to make you feel seperate from them, not in a spirit of love but in a spirit of superiority.
Gematria?!? It has NOTHING to do with Christianity. Dear word, protestants are down bad…
Gematria?!? It has nothing to do with Christianity! Ah, another protestant classic
We are specifically forbidden from attempting to predict the specific time of the events in Revelation. I have a hard time believing that true believers would involve themselves in occult practices in order to predict the Rapture or the events of the tribulation.
Just to add that many people are prone to using "their" religion, class, political beliefs, ad infinitum, to feel superior to everyone who is not part of their "in group." Humanity is prone to it whether they are Christians or not. Yes, it's wrong, but walking with Christ is a journey. None of us are perfect right out of the gate. Some of us learn many hard lessons along the way. I'm almost 70 and I don't feel like I'm even remotely Christ-like yet.
While We are doing the great commission in our life which we were called to do.... Jesus says when you see these things look up your redemption is near, But in the meantime we are to continue saving the lost at any cost and also making sure that our personal lives are found in Christ! It's okay to be excited for the lords return but seems like way too many people are obsessed with everything going on and forgetting about the great commission or our own lifes calling! The biggest thing we need to be careful about today is deception!!! Stay in the word and rightfully divide the words of truth! When Jesus returns, we will be with him regardless of the day and hour he comes!
Scams shams and woah damn!
Ive also considered that the nihilism that results from the Ameriprot Rapture nonsense is also like the nihilism caused by global warming/climate change nonsense.
like right wing nihilism and left wing nihilism
Gonna screen shot this great explanation
Good stuff JD. I saw some of the talk you did with Alex and Poso on X. This seems like an expanded clip of the same talk. Really enlightening talk.
Dyer for prez
Jamie Hanshaw as First Lady would be too much! Can you imagine something like The First Lady's Initiative to Reduce Witchcraft in Elementary Schools!
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Lol. I have noticed a number of Rapturites seem downright ecstatic about seeing Satan start his kingdom on earth. The churches that teach that neglect the teaching of the Resurrection of the dead I find all over the New Testament.
And the idea they keep touting that Christ won't let his bride get hurt (suffer persecution) is kind of an insult to our brothers and sisters around the world already going through it for His sake.
I have this discussion with my husband. He's a pre-tribulation rapture person, but I don't see any reason to believe that God would save us from suffering. There are thousands of years of history proving that the innocent suffer along with the guilty. I'm not sure that most Christians are all that innocent anyway. Would the west be in the state it's in if Christians were doing their job?
I would love to see a more in depth about this, I used to be a dispensationalist evangelical and still millions are trapped in this prelest of this reductionist Christianity where the church doesn't really matter and it's me and my Bible and now it's Instagram evangelism with everyone praying for you and stuff, people are so decieved by a churchless Christianity, a lot of them high school age and college age, not wanting to commit to a heavily religious life just this palatable, full of life and emotion kind of "relationship not religion" kind of faith. It's indie/alternative frat Christianity essentially
Thank you Jay Dyer 😊🙏 these educational videos are extremely educational and appreciated
Lord Jesus Christ Son of God Have Mercy on me a sinner. Glory to the Father Son and Holy Spirit now unto ages of ages.
Jay can you speak on the red heifer sacrifice?
I was saved not knowing anything about church, so first went to a church I went to was evangelical protestant, and i always felt out of place.I didnt like the worship, i never felt that “baabaadaadbaa” tongues was real. I still tried to push through and ask questions to the leaders and they made me feel as if i didnt have the Holy Spirit, so i left and turned away from the church and decided to read the bible before i made a decision to attend a church again. I only recently heard of eastern orthodoxy, but from my personal bible readings, my dislike for praise and worship(todays idea) of it, and my distaste for those fake tongues was the Holy Spirit convicting me into othodoxy. Even my theological interpretation towards the Word of God being Jesus many times. I realize maybe i was meant for othodoxy this whole time. Ill go this sunday
Celts, Goths, Scythians all coming out of the Caucus regions seemingly bursting on the scene historically in the 800sish BC right when the Tribes of Israel are scattered by Assyrians. That alone is fishy. Also these people all worshipped similar pagan Gods and similar language. Very interesting. They also repped heraldry like the Lion of Judah (Trumps Logo for everything) and Eagles which are all over the European nobility flags in the middle ages. Many of these families such as the Massimo's ( Whose family Crest has the Lion) claim ancestry to Roman General Flavius Maximus 200 BC. I think there is more to the lost Tribes of Israel idea. Would love to see Jay fully investigate and do a video on this if he hasn't already
It's moot from a Christian viewpoint because the covenant with Israel was finished when the temple was destroyed in 70 AD. The gentiles are part of the new covenant, and the apostolic church is Israel
yesss!!
About the Y2K scare; I did see reports, published well after the event, that there was a period of several hours where the US military computer system was inoperable, because of the Y2K bug, so it turns out that Y2K actually had a few scary incidents.
I witnessed first-hand a Y2K related incident at the Fortune 500 pharma company I worked at the turn of the year from 1998 to 1999. At new year, there was a fire in one of the main electric motors that ran the AC for the whole building. The malfunction somehow occurred when the computer looked one year in advance (to 2000). As I recall, this incident shut down that small mfg facility for several weeks until the motor could be replaced and the issue resolved. So, I knew then, one year ahead, that, unless countermeasures were taken, serious issues could arise due to Y2K.
Absolutely incredible video. In a town nearby, there's a massive blown up photograph of those study Bibles being handed out in old timey Western Canada. This same area was flooded with Mennonites escaping Stalin that mass converted to Jehovah's witnesses, which is how my family was raised. Quite a wild history out here. Want to look into that study Bible, any recommendations other than Wikipedia to go to?
Skittles marriage 😂
aka McDonald's commercials.
Thank you for bringing rationalism to the discussion of end times. It is one of my pet peeves when Christians sensationalize this discussion with every new current event that takes place.
2 Thessalonians 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him. first part is literal coming.The second part, "our gathering" relates to the rapture.
2Thessalonians 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. (Yep. You missed the rapture, the day of Christ is at hand. You're in the time of "Jacob's trouble").
2Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a "falling away" first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
The problem here is the "falling away". All the old Bibles from Tynedale to the 1599 Geneva use "departing". Only the Bishops bible for some strange reason used "falling away". Then again, the Bishops bible was not well received at the time.
So, the 70th week will not start except the rapture comes first. It will not be a secret as the world will be freaked out and in a panic. Someone will have to step up and take control. Do we see where this is going?
Heres another Jay Dyer and John Adams stream from 6 years ago going deep into this topic. Thanks Jay you really grinding some evangellyfish gears with this one.
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Absolute...non end times judgment fire bruh 🔥🔥🔥
I think when most of us come back to faith in Christ in our later years we can’t help but be sucked into the dispensationalism mindset, especially in the west as-well as my generation brought up on social media. It was through richer study and patience that I could leave it behind. All it leads to is disappointment and Nihilism. In many ways (as much as I urge to see my Lord), I see it as a blessing that we persevere. Many of us could agree that our sins would be too much for us to enter paradise l which yes, is terrifying but I am extremely grateful that we have that extra time for repentance and discipleship. Great video Jay. Summed up all my conclusions this past year.
My family came to the US as Hutterites.Never hear anyone talking about them.
I used to always watch Hal Lindsay with my dad growing up and believed what he said about end times prophecy even though I couldn’t wrap my head around how they even made sense lol.
Like “China’s the only country that can field 200,000,000 soldiers because they have a population of 1 billion.” It made sense to a slow boy like me even though I couldn’t understand how the government could budget food and sustain such a large amount of people.
Or when he says “when the Euphrates river dries up, that’s when Israel’s enemies can then cross and invade” and I thought to myself “how can a river stop an Air Force from Iran or China? And can’t they build bridges? And don’t they have the ability to cross through other means of transportation in modern times? They did this stuff in WW2 and before.”
I also realized he was backtracking his Gog and Magog propaganda by saying “back then I said Russia, not the Soviet Union” even though back then he was precisely popular because of his capitalization of Soviet Union/Cold War end times sensationalism.
I could go on but I’ll just say it took me years to realize he was just shoehorning his ridiculous interpretations into Scripture.
Also, thanks Jay for mentioning that book that John Hagee wrote. I had no idea he did that. I used to watch him too because of my dad but I never liked the guy. Seemed too off to me, like religious spirit evil.
31:07 and Trump is taking advantage of these beliefs, selling Bibles with the American founding documents inside. Lord Have Mercy.
Why worry
The rapture will save you
Why worry at all?
Don't worry Trump is Christian he said Jesus is popular one time.
@@MrTerkoizzzbro even demons believe in Jesus. Trump is bait for evangelicals
@@MrTerkoizzzTrump has heretical beliefs though
Great talk. Because of certain family members, I have to deal with evangelicals and all their psychobabble about the rapture and end times. It's good to get an alternative perspective like this.
Lol Jay casually calling the Pope the Kwizats Haderach had me rolling.
On the Lord Voldemort show? Very brave of them and you to broadcast this there.
Jay!! I reallllllly enjoyed this format of video. Thanks for your work!
Pay piggy
Thank you Jay, for putting this into a shareable 30 minute format to help share with friends!
Apocalyptic Fundamentalist Fanaticism. Oh God, the Mayan Calendar is ending run to your bunkers fast.
We need a Biopic based on Bugnini.. that dude was on some wild shit
In 1976, when I was 13 years old, I had a wide awake, real, in full color VISION of the Lord's Return...
We lived out in the country in the middle of dusty plowed fields, dirt roads and woods in south Georgia. Everything looked kind of brown and crispy, like it needed rain bad. The corn field across the road in front of the house was starting to turn brown and die.
I went to my bedroom, which faced out the front side of the house and looked out onto our front yard, which had a semi-circular dirt driveway and beside the left entrance was an old dogwood tree which had to be at least a hundred years old. Highway 341 ran from east to west in front of our house, which faced north, and the cornfield I spoke of earlier was on the other side of the highway. There was a slight rise in the middle of this field and you could not see the trees on the other side, so it looked like an ocean of corn that went off into the horizon.
As I lay across my bed looking out the window, contemplating what I saw before me, I began to hear music in the distance. I specifically heard it in my right ear and the direction from which it came made me think of the high school band which practiced several miles southeast from where I lived. When conditions were right we could hear the band playing, but usually only heard the faint beat of drums. This sounded like trumpets and as I was thinking this to myself, I began to notice the music getting louder and louder, coming closer and closer, very quickly.
Within a few seconds the sound wasn't just something that was exterior, but it was inside my head as well, reverberating throughout my entire body. It was so loud and it sounded like lightning crashed directly over my head and, in that split second, the trumpet sound thundered throughout my body and throughout the entire world...everything went dark and my bed and the earth shook violently.
In a flash, I was no longer lying on my bed, but I was standing outside my bedroom window in the front yard and I beheld the scene in front of me with tremendous awe. It was still my front yard, only now everything was different. It seemed as if my entire range of vision was a huge 3D movie screen and I was in the middle of it.
The trumpets continued to sound and I saw that the blue, sunny sky had turned black and the clouds churned and the wind blew with a violence that I had never experienced. The corn field was now a sea of wheat that was golden brown and ripe for harvest and I could see every stalk of wheat individually, billions of them. And I watched as the wind thrashed the wheat until it was beaten down by the storm. I now know that the Bible speaks several times about, in the end time, when the wheat is ripe for harvest, how the wheat will be separated from the tares. The tares are gathered and bundled together for burning and the wheat is gathered into the barn.
Then I noticed the dogwood tree. It was mid-July, so of course I know there should not have been any blossoms on it, they usually bloom around Easter...but the tree was in full bloom. I had never seen anything like this. You couldn't see any leaves on the tree because of the millions of dogwood blossoms. It looked as if it were lit from within, by a glowing whitest of white, neon light and it glowed gloriously against the darkened sky. Now, I know the Bible says no man knows the day nor hour that Jesus will return, but if we watch for the signs, we can know the season. I have always felt that He might come back in the spring when the dogwood tree is in bloom. Of all the things that could have been highlighted in a vision; why the dogwood tree? I believe there is a specific message here. (Update: recently, I prayed about this and I feel the Lord placed into my spirit that this represents the fullness of the gentiles coming in).
Just as I was taking all of this in, lightning filled the sky and the trumpets thundered over head again and in an instant there appeared two angels. They were dressed in white robes, facing each other up in the air and blowing golden trumpets. They were huge and filled the sky in front of me and I knew that the entire world must be seeing this as well. When I say huge, I mean like the size of the highest mountains, literally.
I didn't think the trumpets could get any louder, but they grew louder still, building to a great crescendo and I heard a great shout that was louder than anything that you could imagine. And with that shout, it's as if the earth fell silent, the black, violent clouds began to roll back onto themselves from the center of the northeastern sky and I saw light in the distance. It was more a combination of light and clearing of the clouds in the distance that got my attention. As I looked up at this shaft of light and clearing sky, I saw what seemed to be fluttering and movement in the distance. As it came into view, I saw Jesus on a white horse and behind him were millions of angels and saints on white horses. It was at this moment, when I realized what I was seeing, that it disappeared and I was back in my room lying on my bed. Everything was back to normal and I was again looking out at a bright, sunny day.
Where was the John hagee impression? How will we know how to interpret the blood moon pies of izreal.
Always bursting the right bubbles. Great work as usual Jay.
Excellent❤ I learnt a lot thank you,it cut off a tad early ,signed copies of mei?......thanks
33:29 Ryan Gosling
Would love to hear your eschatological playout giving all your previous study. I truly think blue beam will project/cern will open the gods of old and will present a false flag of all religions coming true, but usurping their authority to “something” above them, which will be the beast/which forces the mark.
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Funny the England tried to play both sides in WWII just like they tried to play both sides in the Reformation 👀
thanks Jay. I've come a long way from where I used to be, thanks in part due to your analysis. I wonder, though, if some sort of "historic premillennialism" is at all a permitted/existent view within Orthodoxy? I've heard that the Serbian Orthodox are premillennial.
I didn't fall for the eclipse hype. I figured it was just more fear porn.
Great discussion, Jay! Thank you!
In Islam, Allah has 3 daughters. Really. Their names are in the Quran.
Good video. Please do a collab with Warren Mcgrew from Idol Killer.
I watched, or, ratner listened because this video was one of your rare ones less than an hour long... I had hoped to hear booger-whistles at some point.
Every single generation has had its own easily excitable prophetic soothsayers claiming to know the times and the seasons. ✔️
What's your opinion on Steven Greer? Controlled opp?
Wow! That was a great one Jay. Impressive how you unpack all those informations.
Darby was a wacky, open theist, gnostic.
Good stuff as always. God bless you and your family Jay.
28:55 Scofield
What year do you believe revelation was written?
Great clip 🙏🏼☦️
8:55 this turned into assassins creed lore for a sec😂😂😂
nice
History is inherently complex and compromised of humans.
Is crusader metal cringe?
Are believers sealed with the Spirit till the day of redemption, as the Bible says?
If a Christian enters The Time of Jacob's Trouble can he lose his salvation by taking the mark?
Doesnt the Bible command us to RIGHTLY divide the Word?
Diagnosing Mr Barton Moss
Great video!
i hope the rapture is true
Are there any good resources that date when John wrote Revelation?
before jerusalem fell
by gentry
@@JayDyer thanks!
While most scholars lean towards a later date that would put the writing of Revelation somewhere closer to 95 or 96 AD, some believe that John wrote Revelation much earlier, during the reign of Nero (54-68 AD).
@Plaza_and_MoteWhich ones do you recommend?
Very good break down
Been really thinking of Islam as a development of a Christian heresy after Arius excommunication.
@@KirkLazarus23 Arius was excommunicated and many hundreds of years later there is a story of Bahira who was a hermit Arian Christian monk, who saw a caravan approach and saw a young Muhammad, who he said he saw signs of prophethood in.
The E.W. Bullinger Companion Study Bible is another dispensationalist/Serpent Seed/Euro-Hebrew type from 1906. The Shepherds chaple in Arkansas uses Bullingers other works as well to back up their teachings.
1:20 ''(...) odd beliefs, contrary to the doctrine and teachings of the apostles that was handed down,'' I hear you say, and I wondered: do you have any evidence for the claim that there are teachings and a doctrine that originated from said apostles? And how does one determine what is or isn't ''a genuine religious experience''? (are genuine questions, btw)
Also: demagogue Tailor Green and some anonymous nitwits, waiting in line for a Trump rally, said silly shit about the eclipse being a sign from god (one that cosmology had calculated to be given on that exact time and place, long before it happened, apparently, as it can for future ''god-signs'' in the form of eclipses, too). No-one else said anything of the sort. Am I to understand that MTG and those MAGA nitwits _are_ ''the deep state, trying to distract us from true Christianity'' by coming up with false ideas about messages from god? And what difference does it make to the state (deep or otherwise) if sincere believers ascribe stuff to god ? I mean: isn't the god-belief a distraction, either way? (all these questions after just one and a half minutes in... wow)
Where can I watch the full podcast?
Wait, Jay believes the anti-Templar slander?? 😳😳😱
I'd like to see more primary source information about them being into esoterics because they clashed many times with the Pope and all claims I can ever find of them being into occultism comes from the King of France who produced confessions under torture and duress and the main factor being that yet again the French crown strong armed the Pope into going along with Frankish madness so that he could seize the Templar wealth and banking system. The rest of the templars fled to Portugal, Spain, and Malta. Not saying they're great super heroes or anything, but I have yet to see a serious primary source that vindicates the claims of the Templars being into occultism. Plus a large part of the large banking and financial usury really starts to take off after the fall of Templar banking houses being superseded by the Medici and Venetian trade houses
Thank you so much for this, Jay. My dad used to watch Jack Van Impe regularly when I was a kid, and as a Baptist, he was of the belief that we should always be on this "End times watch". That was a kind of constant paranoia/hypervigilance that looking back, taints parts of my childhood (and turned me away from Christianity for a long time), but it also fueled my dad's mental illness. My Uncle was a huge fan of the Left Behind books, and its so strange to me that some Evangelicals out there make it some kind of grand vision, or almost as if its prophetic. The Rapture and Dispensationalism never made sense to me, I was always very skeptical and doubtful, but only after coming to Holy Orthodoxy did I do my studying and research. I wish I'd found Orthodoxy decades sooner so I could have shown my dad the truth before he passed away.
What do you think dispensationalism means?
@@consolecoach It's a modern theological concept that-- in part-- is connected to "end times" beliefs and Biblical interpretation among evangelical churches, specifically that God would rapture the church before carrying out the rest of his divine plan or the Second Coming. It's connected to Premillennialism. I don't think I need to go into the whole history of how that theology was brought to the USA and spread across Evangelical circles and church and get into the very specifics of it. I have an understanding of it though.
@@KatAdVictoriam The Pre-Millenialism view isn't some idea that just came up in the 1800s. There are people who have believed in a Pre-Millenialism all the way back to the 3rd and 4th century. Granted it wasn't the most popular view for a while, but to say it was invented in the 1800s is a myth. But besides that, do you believe that the church has replaced Israel?
@@consolecoachWhat do you think? Did the Church replace Israel or not?
@@Elite_Footballer777 No, it hasn't replaced Israel.
Just as in the days of Noah, Jesus will return to save some from the Wrath of God that will be ushered onto the whole world at the end of this age. The notion of a rapture may or may not fit into that truth. It's pointless to resolve that unless and until the time comes. As Jesus warned be alert and watch in case it happens in one's time. If you don't then you will be like the virgins without spare oil in the Parable of the Ten Virgins - you will not be saved from the Wrath of God.✝
I would also like to point out that christians should beware of the little things as well, not just the end of the world prophecies.
Things like believing you will have bad luck if a black cat crosses your path, or if you break a mirror (superstitions), amateur palm reading (‘for fun’ some people say 🙄), playing cards and with cards (e.g. tarot), reading the zodiac, yoga and meditation, etc.
All of the activities/ points listed above may seem innocent enough at first sight, but it’s the stuff that can sneak up on you that usually gets you. Overlooking these smaller issues, makes us more susceptible to for example watching these “artists” literally perform satanic rituals during award shows, and not reacting in any way because we’ve been conditioned to regards this degeneracy as high ‘art’.
Watch out for this, and don’t freak out if you just happen to see ‘666’ somewhere 😄 It probably means nothing 99% or the time.
@jtfollowsjc this video would be right up your alley!
Completely agree with you Jay Dyer. Great work breaking this whole endtimes mess down
Amazing!
Many churches are firmly engrained in the pretribulation rapture and it is scary. As a science loving Christian, it is a daunting task to refute it.
The orthodox church always says "I don't know, thats a mystery bro." When she doesn't know.
I know you do music, please do a remix of Nitro Fun Cheat Codes, or Parallels it'd be something
Interesting and informed presentation. But why the mock halo?
Oh the halo with the palm tree and flamingo in it?
I have never seen it as a halo. Now I can't unsee it 😂
The Miami Vice halo!!😅😅
Is orthodoxy supersessionist? Are Jews no longer chosen? Can you make a video covering these ideas?
In this day and age, how can people still believe the WW1/WW2 narrative as it’s been taught to us.
In short, it's all part of a broader strategy of tension and/or for purposes of cognitive infiltration. Makes sense.
"'Shouldn't a thief or an adulterer be eliminated just for being who he is?' No, and you'd do better to phrase your question like this: 'Should we do away with this person because he's mistaken and misled about matters of supreme importance and because he's become blind - not in the sense that he's lost the ability to distinguish white and black by sight, but because he's lost the mental ability to distinguish good and bad?' If you put the question like this, you'll realize how inhumane it is and see that it's no different from saying, 'So shouldn't we kill this blind person or this deaf person?' If a person is injured most by the loss of the most important things, and if the most important thing in every individual is right will, what's the point in getting angry with someone if he loses it?" (Discourses, I.18.5-8) - Epictetus C1: misguided people should not be hated. C2: [We should attempt to persuade misguided people of the errors of their way; failing that, we should endure them as one more example of how misguided human beings can be.] "When Vespasian sent for Helvidius Priscus and commanded him not to go into the senate, he replied, 'It is in your power not to allow me to be a member of the senate, but so long as I am, I must go in.' 'Well, go in then,' says the emperor, 'but say nothing.' 'Do not ask my opinion, and I will be silent.' 'But I must ask your opinion.' 'And I must say what I think right.' 'But if you do, I shall put you to death.' 'When did I tell you that I am immortal? You will do your part, and I will do mine: it is your part to kill; it is mine to die, but not in fear; yours to banish me; mine to depart without sorrow.'" (Discourses, I.2.19-21) - Epictetus also recounts another episode, this one involving Paconius Agrippinus, a Stoic who opposed Nero:
"[Agrippinus] was informed that his case was being heard in the Senate. 'That's as may be. But it's the fifth hour now' - this was when it was his custom to exercise and take a cold bath - 'so let's go and exercise.' Afterward, someone approached him and said, 'You've been condemned.' 'To exile,' says he, 'or death?' 'Exile.' 'What about my property?' 'It's not been seized.' 'So let's go to Aricia and have breakfast there.' That's what it's like to have trained oneself properly [in philosophy]." (Discourses, I.2.28-31) [Stoicism is not a pacifist philosophy, only one that is charitable to everyone and attempts to minimize violence. Sometimes, when all else fails, we do need to take up arms and fight. If we can learn, peace will come, but it isn't easy to live what one has learned. Who do we know that lived the way, the truth, and the life?] Enjoy celebrating Easter on May fifth.
St. Irenaus was Catholic.
When did the Thugs branch away from the Shakers?
I recommend Brenda Weltner here on You tube to explain end time events. I would love to hear a coversation between you two!
Just ordered Jay's book recommendation. Eager to read it!
Is Jay a Preterist? I cant tell.
Do you jay believe we are in the end Times??
Christ is black!
Dream on pal