My XI - Geoffrey Boycott: Derek Underwood - 'On wet pitches, Deadly was his name'
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- Опубліковано 26 лют 2012
- Geoffrey Boycott on his eleven favourite bowlers. Part four: Geoff Boycott picks Derek Underwood, who applied pressure with his accuracy.
Geoffrey Boycott on his eleven favourite bowlers
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RIP Derek Underwood - still has more Test Wickets than any other English Spin Bowler (297 at a average of just over 25) at the time of his passing - more than 40 years after his last Test match. A genuine all time great Test cricketer.
Deadly Derek was an icon of World Cricket.
Entirely superb account of an entirely remarkable man.
By another truly remarkable man!
What happy days they were!
Thank-you!
having alan Knott stand right up at the stums was a huge help too
When many colleagues of Geoffrey Bycott we're not in good terms with him, only one man Derek Underwood used to forbid and say them, " You are on wrong side and mistaken perhaps youp have not seen Boycott facing Australian fast bowlers on fast, deadly, bouncy pitches in Australia for hours. ' I take off my hat to this one of greatest English opening batsman since !
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A quick message to all those who accuse Boycott of only picking Underwood because he was English. The stats don't lie. Underwood took 297 wickets in 86 tests, at a remarkable average of 25.83. To put that in perspective, Shane Warne's average was only a shade better at 25.41. Kumble's average was over 29 per wicket, so those banging on that he was better, go and do your homework! Only Muralitharan with an average of 22.72, in terms of spinners who played a lot of tests, has done better. It is also worth remembering that Underwood played in an era when it was common for sides to compile huge test scores by batting slowly for 2 - 2.5 days. The batsmen weren't playing the attacking shots you see in the modern game, which speed up the scoring but also increase the chances of making an error that costs their wicket. Underwood was a true great. Boycs is 100% right.
Boycott is fulsome in praise of all great players, English or not. Underwood was great. Muesli was a cheat! They changed the rules to accommodate his cheating.
@@frankford1115 Agreed. I had the honour of meeting Derek at a village match last year. Lovely man. Sadly he has Alzheimer's but he can still reminisce about the old days.
the sri lankan threw the ball. Everybody knows he did.
@@frankford1115it’s funny that’s exactly the question I wanted to ask - was Muralis action legal according to the rules of the game because I for one couldn’t believe how bent his arm always looked - maybe it was all just an optical illusion 😅
Talking of English spinners, the truly remarkable Jim Laker took 193 wickets in 46 tests at an average of 21.24.
Thank goodness for being able to see these clips on You Tube......when cricketers wore long sleeve shirts and weren't the walking advertising boards they are now....and their skill was honed and superb...
Yes, a pity that the purity of cricket ,from every aspect ,has been destroyed through the quick buck approach through advertising. Instead of the national emblem being the most prominent, it is now a priority to display the commercial emblem over the national one. It has greatly lessened my enjoyment of the game. Football has suffered the same fate, although football never had the poetic atmosphere. I cannot think of any poetry associated with football, whereas even an ex England fat bowler, John Snow, was a poet. John Arlott had a poetic turn of phrase whilst commentating and also wrote poetry.
Yes!
Deadly would look an amiable chap, but he'd deny his granny a single, fierce competitor!
I faced a bowler similar to Derek once in a league match. Short run-up, but bowled cutters on a flat trajectory from round the wicket to right handers. He cut it both ways, and the pitch had the texture of plasticine. Impossible to play - he got one to cut and jump at me and I edged behind. I just had to say ‘Well bowled!’ 😊
Many years ago, my local league side - who had a former Kent player as their president - managed to persuade Kent to bring their full A side down for a game in aid of Richard Ellison's benefit year. At the time we had a cocky but very talented youngster called John Stone. When he came in to bat, Derek was bowling; the great man took one look at this spotty youth and decided he ought to be kind, so he trudged in off a very short run. First ball, John hit him for an enormous six. Second ball, Derek off a short run again and thwack, another huge six over the pavilion. At this point Deadly decided he'd seen enough and went back to his full run. In he came and that was it, stumps all over the place - three ball innings, two sixes and then out!
Kent v Warwickshire at Folkestone, September 1986: Underwood 35.5-29-11-7 in the second innings. Aged 41. He didn't age too badly either.
Remember that game. Staggering figures for anyone never mind a 41 year old
Plenty of stories of how he became unplayable on 'wet pitches'. Ian Botham recalls a game he played in and said he was never so glad to get out! Somerset were nicely placed with 2 wickets down, then overnight the covers, which hadn't been fitted correctly, blew away in a storm. Somerset lost their last 8 wickets for 20-30. As you can imagine Somerset were not best pleased with the Kent Groundstaff!!!
I'd loved to have seen that bowling live. I remember seeing the headlines the next day in the papers 'Deadly Derek' turns the clock back with an astounding bowling performance!. The batsmen didn't know what to do - a lot of them hadn't played on a 'sticky wicket' before - and it was the 'old fashioned' type of Sticky wicket too - early September heat drying the pitch as the players were out in the middle. Derek could easily have played for England after his 3 year suspension ended. His age definitely counted against him - but think how much quicker that Edgbaston test of 1985 could have been over with him in the side! If Edmonds and Emburey got assistance from the pitch what would Derek have done?!
I watched that game, conditions were in his favour but what a bowler. RIP Derek.
Derek was a handy night watchman too.
There's footage on UA-cam of Derek bowling to Australia c 1971 Terry Jenner and it's unplayable. Throat bowls of a length. Crazy stuff
I saw Deadly Derek play and he was the best spinner that I ever saw
Greg Chappell has Underwood in his best Ashes team . They used to say he bowled to fast for a leg spinner in Australia but he kept getting guys out.
He wasn't a leg spinner. Underwood was a left arm orthodox or more accurately a cutter who did at times bowl close to medium pace.
@@markhiggins8315 - I agree. His greatest strength was to drop it on a length time after time. He would tie up an end and frustrate batsmen out. Great bowler
The Greatest All Time XI: From the Realms of Immortality
1 Jack Hobbs
2 W.G Grace
3 Don Bradman (C.)
4 Sachin Tendulkar
5 Viv Richards
6 Gary Sobers
7 Adam Gilchrist (W.)
8 Shane Warne
9 Wasim Akram
10 Dennis Lillee
11 Sydney Barnes
12th: Imran Khan.
Substitutes:
( Victor Trumper , Brian Lara , Jacques Kallis , Muttiah Muralitharan , Malcolm Marshall )
Manager :- Sir Frank Worrell .
Where is Geoff Boycott?
Great team. The only change I would make is Knott for Gilchrist!
I can't understand why everybody picks Akram over Marshall. Akram had a test wicket taking average of 23.62 but Marshall's was only just over 20 which is extraordinary. Marshall was an absolute destroyer, and the most clever of the great fastest bowlers - his ability to swing and seam the ball in all conditions was without parallel. I am certain the reason more people pick Akram is a generation thing - Wasim played more recently, so more people remember him as a great but for me, Marshall was easily the best.
@@Wally-H Akram is the Most Skillful and Complete Fast Bowler in History. He had it all from pace , bounce , Seam , Swing , reverse swing ability with old ball etc. And Akram is more Iconic and that's why he's there in above list which is based on Stardom and influential persona.
@@Billie0708 So you selected a player in the greatest eleven based on his personality, by which you mean because you liked him. Akram wasn't more skilled than Marshall.
I remember watching Underwood playing against the West Indies in 1976 the West Indian crowds were having banter with him calling him overwood he just smiled at them what a player
I saw the great man bowl for Kent against Gloucestershire. He went through them like a hot knife through butter in the first innings and then continued to do the same when they followed on. It was only a great innings by Zaheer Abbas that got Glos a draw out of the match. A privilege to see him and WK Alan Knott work together.
Underwood and Knott, my earliest childhood memory of English cricket
They're among my earliest memories of the England team. They were both great players. it's a shame they didn't play for Essex.
I remember seeing him back in the day, and he really was remarkably accurate, a great bowler!
My hero and the greatest slow bowler I have ever seen, S. Warne included. Sir G. is right - at times he was unplayable both at county and Test level. I saw him play many times and although he didn't always rip through the opposition he always tied down one end. He would have been a great in any era.
Underwood was utterly unplayable at times. And bowled at some of the greatest teams ever. West Indies, Ian Chappell's Aussies, you name it. And still took nearly 300 wickets at .25. And he went to WSC, which would have bumped him up to about 400! Which is as good as Warne has ever been.
Deadly Derek indeed.
Check out the Lord's test match of 1974. The test was going along without much incident - then it rained! In those days the strip was left uncovered and by the time Pakistan came out to bat the wicket had begun to dry out. Pakistan slipped from 71-0 to 130-9 - Derek got 5-20 in next to no time from sharp spin and bounce. The wicket then lost its potency and England scored 270 all out. Pakistan batted a second time and just got into a lead when a really heavy shower fell. Again the pitch began to dry out and Pakistan fell from 192-3 to 226 all out as Derek bowled unchanged and, with enormous amounts of spin (Shane Warne esque type rippers) and bounce, had bowling figures of 34.5-17-51-8!! He was so unplayable when the wickets were rain affected. In 1986, at the age of 41, Derek bowled against Warwickshire and rain had accidentally seeped under the covers. At the end of the innings he had incredible bowling figures of 35.5-29-11-7!!
@imthemess good team. tough leaving out Ambrose from this though. But I agree, given Akram's batting ability and being a left armer and his use of the old ball.
Hadlee & Kallis are great all-rounders but are completely eclipsed by Sobers in this regard.
Hobbs played at a time of uncovered pitches, smaller bats, slow out fields and longer boundaries. The bowlers you mention would have been his greatest challenge but I think he would have risen to it.
Warne has the best cricketing brain I've ever seen, he was always plotting how to get a batsman out even when he wasn't the bowler. Who would be in your greatest XI?
Damn I forgot about a 12th Man. It has to be David Boon for me, you need someone good with the drinks he was a great team man as well.
I grew up in Kent, with Knott, Underwood, etc. I seem to remember that deadly was at his most lethal when the pitch was starting to dry, any thoughts on that?
In 1975, a summer not too dissimilar to the scorching 1976 summer, Derek took 67 wickets at an average of 18 - with best bowling figures of 7-44. Don't get succured into believing he was just effective on wet or uncovered wickets.
That Pakistan team of the late 90's should have been world beaters. With likes of Anwar, Yousuf, Inzamam. Wasim. Waqar & Saqlian they had batsmen and bowlers to die for. However the internal politics of their cricket board and lack of on field leadership dashed those hopes. What they needed was a Clive Lloyd type leader someone who could rally them together and most importantly someone who was respected.
You are right they could have defeated any team in the world
Gilchrist was one of most destructive batsman the game has seen but my side has plenty of batting as it is. Wasim for me has to be in there because of his swing bowling and also the fact that he's a left armer so that brings more variety to the attack. McGrath is in because of his relentless accuracy he always hit that magic length that had the batsman in two minds. Also Warne would be my captain because of his superior cricketing brain he could out think almost anyone.
At least you had a place to drown your sorrows! It seems it was for the best, leave the drama of being captain for someone else.
I like the thought of a pure keeper because I just think that's how it's meant to be. Keep in mind that Steve Waugh and Shane Warne themselves have said that they prefer keeper/batsmen over batsmen/keepers. Waugh actually said that Jack Russell was the the best keeper he ever saw and Warne ranked Healy above Gilly because of his superior glove work.
He was just 10 wickets away from the then world record of 307 by Fred Trueman with atleast 3 years of cricket left in him,when he quit the test scene for Packer
You could include any of those guys in a World XI and it would be justified. I thought long and hard about my selection and I'm happy with it. In regards to the keeper I went for Godfrey Evans because many of his fellow players said that he was the best keeper they ever saw and I wanted the best keeper in my side. Gilchrist although not too shabby behind the stumps for me was a batsman/keeper and Evans a keeper/batsman.
Kent had such a good side in the 70's. If the pitch was assisting Derek Kent had bowlers to cover all eventualities. Shepherd, Asif Iqbal, Graham could all exploit a sticky wicket' too!
Deadly Derek the like we never see again
@David Allan In one of his last seasons in first class cricket I remember a game against Warwickshire in 1986. The pitch wasn't covered properly and rain got on to it. The pitch dried out quite quickly because of the sun and Underwood became unplayable. In the end he had remarkable bowling figures of 35.5-29-11-7!!
He is being branded as the new McGrath such is his control over line and length. He's almost like Shaun Pollock in his accuracy but the most encouraging thing is that he has chosen to play county cricket in England instead of the IPL so he's priming himself for further test success. And yes Pollock had awful hair but considering his family he was someone the family could be proud of. I can't think of any other second generation crickets who were nearly as good.
It looks like they're making up for lost time now, especially with Phillander coming in. The only thing they need is a good spinner and that has always been an Achilles Heel for The Proteas.
Who came here after the demise of legend
I have - RIP Derek Underwood
Was Derek among the greatest turners of ball?.He was deadly on wet pitches,with sudden variations of speed with accuracy, which buffled batters those days.He faded out in the era of covered, batting wickets.
All time England XI
Len Hutton, Jack Hobbs, Wally Hammond, Denis Compton, Kevin Pietersen, Ian Botham, Alan Knott, Jim Laker, Sidney Barnes, Harold Larwood, Frank Tyson.
What's yours?
Replace Stokes with one of yours (not Botham) and that is mine
Boycott is not quite right here in his description of Derek Underwood's bowling. Underwood saw himself as an orthodox left arm spinner who bowled occasional cutters and arm balls. His method and success involved finding the right speed at which to bowl on any given wicket. He didn't like to adjust his fields much according to the perceived strengths and weaknesses of batsmen he bowled to. He preferred to play to his strengths. It was Underwood's run up - unusually long for a spinner - that created the rhythm he needed to make subtle adjustments in pace and flight and to the angle at which he released the ball in his delivery stride.
What Boycott and Underwood had in common was their strong determination and mindset. Underwood hated runs being taken from his bowling every bit as much as Boycott hated losing his wicket when batting.
SA's isolation meant that so much talent was unseen in the Test arena. The SA side of the 70's could have been one of the greatest ever.
There's a good balance here but perhaps switch Gilly to bat @ 7. I've never been a huge Kallis fan but his record speaks for itself and the opposition love getting his wicket.
Sir Viv is essential to any XI his destructive batting and swagger is still second to none and as captain no cooler individual to make the toss!
I have read from cricketers of different countries who played with & against Barry Richards & they rated him a better batsman than Viv Richards.
@@glenporteous4438 Two completely different batting styles.
@@glenporteous4438 Don Bradman had Barry Richards in his all-time best XI and that will do for me. I watched him a lot at Hampshire and have never seen an opening batsman make batting look as easy as BR did.
@@boymeetsbush8232 Alan McGilvray the Australian commentator said the South Africans were that good, if it wasn't for Apartheid, they would have challenged the West Indies in the 80s.
A very fine analysis of a great bowler !
Yes!
According to Steve Waugh Boon managed to down 52 cans of beer on that flight. He seemed to handle them pretty well until he tried to stand up!
I feel you're being a bit too harsh on Wasim. When surrounded by his fellow countrymen he could be very prickly but that's Pakistani Cricket they're very temperamental, thsi could only have been worse when was captain. I think however if you took him out of that environment and into a World XI he would calm down but we'll never know.
You have much more hands on cricketing experience than I. I wouldn't like to keep a group of Indian's happy when it came to Cricket. I mean you only have to look at the BCCI if they aren't happy with something they throw their toys out of the pram.
Evans is there because he is a pure keeper which is what I want. He would hold more catches, effect more stumpings & run outs & save more byes. I think it's a shame that a keeper nowadays is judged by their batting and not by their glove work.
So strange the wickets were uncovered, wasn't rocket science, wickets could be ruined in a heavy downfall, basic 26 yard light frame, covered in a waterproof covering, with drainage at angles to run off the pitch. Anyway, Underwood was terrific. 😁
Different era, different times So, an all- time great team is not reasonable.It should be period-wise ,so that all greats are justly considéred, e.g. the great Victor Trumper.Are his statistics comparable to those at the turn of the century?How to judge one's greatness so sweepingly?
1. J. Hobbs 2. S. Gavaskar 3. D. Bradman. 4. V. Richards 5. G. Pollock 6. G. Sobers 7. G. Evans (Wk) 8. W. Akram 9. S. Warne 10. C. Ambrose 11. G. McGrath
The Greatest #XI of All Time
1 Jack Hobbs
2 Barry Richards
3 Don Bradman (C.)
4 Sachin Tendulkar
5 Viv Richards
6 Gary Sobers
7 Adam Gilchrist (W.)
8 Shane Warne
9 Wasim Akram
10 Dennis Lillee
11 Sydney Barnes
12th: Malcolm Marshall.
Substitutes:
( W.G Grace , Brian Lara , Imran Khan , Muttiah Muralitharan , Fred Trueman )
You'd seriously select Evans over Knott? As Underwood is the topic here Knott's work behind the stumps was unbelievable keeping to Underwood on a wet wicket.
The greatest catch I've ever seen a keeper take was one Knott took against Pakistan standing up to Deadly.
Knott was a far superior batsman to Evans as well as a far more consistantly brilliant keeper. On his day Godfrey Evans was sublime but he could be very ordinary on other occasions.
MALCOLM MARSHALL was the greatest fast bowler I've ever seen. Definitely better than Wasim, in fact it's not even close.
The picture of Derek eg 4.20 does not look at all like him ?
It's just because he's so young. He did tend to look pretty middle-aged by the time he was around 25.
It looks like Essex's left arm medium /fast bowler John Lever .
Pause the video on 0.34. I've never understood (because I've never viewed it in slow motion) exactly what Derek was doing with his wrist. It always looked as if he was bowling wrist spin (chinamen), rather than left-arm orthodox. Can anyone explain to me what was actually going on?
Aha - at 1.12, it looks like a normal orthodox left-arm grip/delivery.
No , I've always thought he has a leggie's action; the ball leaving the side , if not the back...of the hand .Very odd .
My god how could he ever forget to of the greatest fast bowlers from Asia, i.e Srishanth from India & Dilhara Fernando From Sri Lanka... lol....
@cocacolai..you didnt get the sarcasm and are talking about smartness
@CocaColai: Don't you get a sarcastic tone of his? Just look at the examples he gave: Sreesanth and Fernando. Lolz.
No it is not bowlers from Boycott's career, dumbass
Do you think they're better than Roberts,Lillee,Garner or Holding?
There was nothing unique about Underwood. Don Shepherd was the same speed, and even more accurate. As David Lloyd said, perhaps the best bowler never to have played for England. Perhaps he should have moved to Kent.
3:56 mr boycott if he did not go to packer in a couple of three years lol
It's actually a couple OR three. Quite a common term in Yorkshire from a good few years back.
Boycott did not play in the Packer World Series Cricket. He voluntarily asked to be dropped from the England team between 1974-77 because he said there was a problem with his technique he wanted to fix. He came back into the team in '77 and remained until 1982, when he signed for the England rebel tour to South Africa, ending his test career.
@@Rhubba The gentleman was not saying boycott went to play for Packer, he was merely drawing attention to Geoff's use of the term "couple or three" by quoting what Boycott said during the Underwood appraisal. He had however misheard the term as a "couple of three" rather than what Geoff actually said. He was clearly amused by a phrase he'd not heard before.
A more accurate and annoyingly spot on bowler I have never seen since.
One of the great things about Underwood was the fact he was quite nippy for a spinner. On a turning wicket at his pace, he could truly live up to his name.
Jeffery boycott was excellent batsman. It was Mike Dennis ego that he didn’t take him for ashes series in 1975-1975. He was capable for playing against Lele and Thomson.
Boycott actually was selected for that tour. He chose not to go.
@@stevevince9680 oh I didn’t know. Thanks for sharing this information.
GB. The world’s most boring man.
In my case, my ideal XI would be Gavaskar, Hayden, Bradman (c), Tendulkar, Sobers, Khan, Gilchrist (wk), Akram, Warne, Murali, and McGrath. I'd then have Kallis as my 12th man, plus Marshall, Sangakkara, and Boucher as injury cover.
+peripheraldevotee94 Have you completely lost your mind? I can see it's very small; and so easy to mislay but really? Do you know ANYTHING about cricket history?
Let's go through my selections, then.
First of all, my opening batsmen (a right-left combination, by the way) both averaged above fifty. Secondly, the key to opening partnerships is to get two contrasting styles of play to work in tandem - and Gavaskar, having been the lynchpin of India's batting lineup throughout his career, was no stranger to carving out an endurant innings. Hayden, conversely, was the only man who managed to break a scoring record set by Brian Lara, and provides a nice fire to Gavaskar's ice.
Secondly, how in the hell could you have a world XI WITHOUT Bradman OR Tendulkar? Bradman's average alone is enough to get him into any side, and his record in the 1948 Invincibles tour earns him the captaincy. And as for Tendulkar, no man scored more runs at international level than he did, and an average of 53.78 over 200 Tests is nothing to sneeze at.
Next, my all-rounders. Sir Garry Sobers, with a batting average of 57.78, has the second-biggest average in the side - not only that, but he could bowl both varieties of left-handed spin AND up to fast-medium pace, and was a good fielder anywhere on the pitch. And with Imran Khan, I have a right-arm fast swing bowler with an average of 22.81 - not to mention his 37.69 average with the bat. his captaincy skills gave his side enough confidence to secure ODI series wins (and drawn Test series) against the 1980's Windies side - and that effort earns him the vice captaincy.
And as for the wicketkeeper, Adam Gilchrist would get into any side, no questions. He averaged 47.6 with the bat in a side where five of his teammates averaged 50 - and took the second-highest number of dismissals behind stumps in history.
Finally, my bowlers. With Khan and Sobers in the side, I can afford to have two spinners. Warne and Murali, taking 708 at 25.41 and 800 at 22.72 with their leg-spin and off-spin respectively, would be ideal. And as for fast bowling, Wasim Akram was simply the best left-armer the world ever saw - 414 at 23.62 with his mastery of swing bowling - and Glenn McGrath was the best right-arm quick, with 563 at 21.64 with his fast-medium seam bowling.
Kallis, who generally batted fourth and bowled first change, would make for great injury replacement if anyone in the middle order got injured. Sangakarra, who averaged 57 overall (and 66 when not keeping) is injury cover for the top three. Boucher, who overtook Gilchrist's dismissals record (but averaged only 30 with the bat) is the backup keeper, whilst Marshall (whose average of 20.94 is the lowest for any bowler with 200 wickets or more) is the back-up bowler.
Now, I'd like to know what your side would be.
Who would you have then?
Good choices. Gilchrist is one of my favourite players, but in a team packed with so many top batsmen, I think you can argue that you can pick a keeper purely on his keeping ability. Gilchrist is without doubt the greatest keeper-batsman of all time, but is he the greatest keeper? I would opt for Knott, Marsh or Bob Taylor.
You could do that, I concede, and Knott and Marsh certainly were excellent keepers - as were Jeff Dujon and Ian Healy. As for me, I'd prefer a side which had every chance of repairing itself in the face of two or three quick wickets - and Gilchrist's 56-ball ton in the 2007 Ashes certainly stuck in my memory.
Mercenaries
why are all the bowlers he has selected English?
I hate hate hate nat sçiver brunt .many many many many many hate
Such a waste
I will accept any eleven but pl take Tendulkar out. Media hyped player played over 200 tests for himself!
Oh yes packer has alot to answer for, money making grub