The Ruins of Cleveland’s Chapman Street

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  • @lemanski40
    @lemanski40 6 років тому +127

    I think Rick has a good understanding of people and what they go through. I would say he's had his own life battles and been through some shit to. U guys are great thanks and be careful 😀

    • @Nicole-rj4xz
      @Nicole-rj4xz 6 років тому +1

      mark ski Well said, I agree!

    • @lemanski40
      @lemanski40 6 років тому +1

      Thanks 😀

    • @cookieskoon2028
      @cookieskoon2028 6 років тому

      And in some of the richest states too. Even NY state, especially in rural decay.

    • @lemanski40
      @lemanski40 6 років тому

      Agreed bro so true

    • @Claire-77
      @Claire-77 5 років тому +1

      Yeah he seems very caring, lifes tough, I'm sure hes had his battles. He's a good guy you can tell.

  • @whyaddnamehere
    @whyaddnamehere 6 років тому +42

    Wow! Seeing these buildings like this is so sad. They look like they use to be really nice.

  • @Glock30Fan
    @Glock30Fan 6 років тому +45

    Most of those buildings were late 1800s to early 1900s. Notice that they do not have any place to park a car because they were built well before most people had cars and either worked close enough to walk to work or took public transit of some sort. That is also why the area is not amenable to redevelopment. That is actually East Cleveland that has been plagued with corruption, drugs, poverty and crime since the 1960s.

    • @robertpreskop4425
      @robertpreskop4425 6 років тому +1

      Glock30Fan no dude it is Cleveland city proper which is just as destitute, decrepit, and depressing as East Cleveland, Euclid, and the other old inner ring suburbs. Face harsh reality, the Cleveland-Akron Metropolitan Area is going to keep hemorrhaging population and business to other more competitive, progressive locales. Akron is already a third tier city due to its decline and Cleveland is literally a second tier city that is declining to the point of eventually becoming a third tier city. If it has at least 300,000 in central city population in the 2020 census, I will be surprised. Get ready for Columbus to have the largest metropolitan area in Ohio. Columbus is already the state's largest city and the state's economic, cultural, political, educational, and transportation hub. Cleveland is a shrinking has been. It has lost the last vestige of its oil industry when BPAmoco which was once Sohio, moved its corporate headquarters out of Cleveland to Houston.

    • @Glock30Fan
      @Glock30Fan 6 років тому +1

      Robert Preskop don’t get me wrong. I am not in a state of denial. Cleveland itself has wide areas that are war zones and zombie neighborhoods. And for much the same reason that E Cleveland is almost entirely in this state of condition. Just E Cleveland has been that way for longer and worse. Until about the early 60s, E Cleveland was a middle class area. You can’t blame race riots on why E Cleveland is not the unlike Falujah. They went that way earlier and faster. Cleveland took a bit longer. And you can point to some areas of Cleveland that are still okay (West Park due to heavy residency of city police and firefighters) and some that have had some amount of revitalization (Ohio City and parts of Tremont). E Cleveland on the other hand is almost entirely a lost cause. Only hope is if Case Western buys it up and brings in the bulldozers.

    • @robertpreskop4425
      @robertpreskop4425 6 років тому

      Glock30Fan How about Euclid, that suburb has been very bad for sometime now. I used to travel and spent some time in Cleveland and I found it to be dead and depressing. The downtown was like a massive morgue except on workdays from 8:30 AM to 5 PM. I found Cleveland to be hostile and dangerous and saw a lot of crazy shit go down. I am never visiting that city ever again. The same for Toledo, another hostile, dangerous, destitute city.

    • @TheAmyevan01
      @TheAmyevan01 6 років тому

      I live in the Cleveland Proper and pay taxes into the city, Cleveland and East Cleveland are completely different and dived in every way possible.. the area that I live in is NOT suburb and very urban and we have a very competitive housing market within the city..some homes up near 500k

  • @speedingatheist
    @speedingatheist 6 років тому +53

    Two things I don't like about live streams: the video quality sucks and I can't hear Rick. ;(

    • @yeahriight57
      @yeahriight57 6 років тому +6

      Speeding Atheist I made the same observation in my comment about the quality it is crap

    • @jeffniezgoda4720
      @jeffniezgoda4720 6 років тому +1

      Same I miss the old good quality exploring

  • @heathertackett7956
    @heathertackett7956 6 років тому +33

    "This is just depressing as shit".. You'll find that in many places here in Ohio! Lol but there are also a lot of places that are beautiful too.

  • @samthemultimediaman
    @samthemultimediaman 6 років тому +4

    These buildings look like they were built in the 1900s-1920s, there are still constructed of load bearing brick and have flat roofs, anything after the 1920s would have been made out of cement blocks. Also you can really notice the only thing that ages a masonry constructed brick building is any wood in the building, and the walls are still fine and the floors and roofs could easily be replaced and the buildings would be fine.

  • @RustyMuck
    @RustyMuck 6 років тому +7

    East Cleveland has been so badly strapped for resources, that they begged the city of Cleveland for a merger, and Cleveland refused. It's really a long drawn-out tragedy.

    • @robertpreskop4425
      @robertpreskop4425 6 років тому +1

      Nathan Obral Cleveland is even worse than East Cleveland.

  • @Trainy2
    @Trainy2 6 років тому +6

    Those look like they could be some really nice apartments if they were totally redone

  • @JakeandElwoodBlues
    @JakeandElwoodBlues 6 років тому +21

    This is technically East Cleveland which is it's own municipality. Urbex Dane also has some good videos in this neighborhood.

    • @MrHorseRacer
      @MrHorseRacer 6 років тому +1

      also its avenue and not street.

    • @robertpreskop4425
      @robertpreskop4425 6 років тому +1

      This isnt just East Cleveland, it is also most of the City of Cleveland as well.

    • @lauriebullot
      @lauriebullot 6 років тому +1

      I thought the same love urbanex Dane's videos and when I saw this I thought of his videos.

  • @UrbexDane
    @UrbexDane 6 років тому +16

    Hey this place looks familiar.

  • @miriambucholtz9315
    @miriambucholtz9315 6 років тому +2

    Some of those older buildings could possibly date from the 1920s. I used to manage two buildings in Cleveland Heights (they're still standing and being lived in) and became familiar with the type of architecture. It makes me sick to see places falling into ruin like this.

  • @ericgilbert1087
    @ericgilbert1087 6 років тому +10

    It feels like it's been forever since an abandoned building vid on either channel.

    • @2snowgirl520
      @2snowgirl520 6 років тому +1

      Eric Gilbert , I know! I missed them so much. I am grateful for this one.

  • @theVHSvlog
    @theVHSvlog 6 років тому +8

    There's a list of buildings in East Cleveland that have priority of being torn down first. Unfortunately Chapman is the last street on the list. It makes sense though. Residents don't usually drive down the streets of Elderwood to get to work or school. It's an eyesore, but it's the most expensive eyesore to demolish. The city is slowly making progress on demolishing the buildings in the more populated areas though. Money is just so tight in the city.

  • @debbiepowers8197
    @debbiepowers8197 6 років тому +3

    YAY Dan the Man is back with abandoned buildings!!! Been missing them!

  • @Amanda-br5pw
    @Amanda-br5pw 6 років тому +4

    I immediately thought of Batteries not Included too!

  • @hellomikie92
    @hellomikie92 6 років тому +5

    It's good to see that you are urban exploring again be careful.

  • @dianajemison105
    @dianajemison105 6 років тому +3

    I wish I could hear Rick. He needs a mic. I just read that the apartment buildings are pre WW2. Love you Dan😘 Yall be careful on the road.

  • @MamaCarola1
    @MamaCarola1 6 років тому +6

    So depressing 2 see a whole street just abandoned. Most of those buildings must have been amazing in their day

    • @robertpreskop4425
      @robertpreskop4425 6 років тому +2

      MamaCarola1 most if not all those buildings would easily last several centuries if they were kept in good repair and sealed from the elements. They would greatly outstand and outlast any of those suburban shopping malls and McMansions.

  • @martyjohnston397
    @martyjohnston397 5 років тому +1

    I love watching yall explore

  • @2snowgirl520
    @2snowgirl520 6 років тому +1

    I miss these abandoned places videos! Good to see one back.

  • @dave1135
    @dave1135 6 років тому +3

    Such a shame to see such stately, regal old buildings in such a horrible shape, these buildings have stood for decades, brought down by property owners being too cheap to do regular maintenance and repairs to keep these buildings in shape. 😢😞

  • @torythefanman
    @torythefanman 6 років тому +2

    Wow that is crazy seeing all these buildings like that.

  • @bostonwins3335
    @bostonwins3335 6 років тому

    Dan, nice batteries not included reference. That movie is so underrated and awesome.

  • @Homegrown_Values
    @Homegrown_Values 6 років тому

    Love your videos!! Always interesting and the back stories behind them.

  • @mchexz8412
    @mchexz8412 6 років тому

    Thanks for the great video. I love watching all your videos. . To see things we dont usually see or are aware of these places. Please keep up the awesome job and say hello to Rick as well.

  • @MatthewBaran
    @MatthewBaran 6 років тому +36

    People from Cleveland are like "at least we're not Detroit" 😂😁

    • @robertpreskop4425
      @robertpreskop4425 6 років тому +1

      Matthew Baran yeah but Cleveland along with its somewhat smaller counterpart at the mouth of the Maumee, Toledo are both getting worse than Detroit. Both Cleveland and Toledo are going to be tough nuts to crack when it comes to urban revitalization.

    • @DanKirchner5150
      @DanKirchner5150 6 років тому

      worse than detroit

    • @kelly3014
      @kelly3014 6 років тому +1

      That’s because Michigan is our sworn enemy. #ohiostateforever

    • @MatthewBaran
      @MatthewBaran 6 років тому +1

      estherdestiny 😂😂😂 thanks for the morning laugh

    • @bet1568
      @bet1568 5 років тому

      LOL, You're right. Euclid born, from a family of West Cleveland land owners.

  • @laureencallahan6946
    @laureencallahan6946 6 років тому

    I have lived in Cleveland for 11years. So much going to waste! Sad 😞 It's going on everywhere! Really no stopping it! I live with reality! Enjoy your video 😊 Thanks.

  • @lauriebullot
    @lauriebullot 6 років тому

    Great vid Dan. More please.

  • @themoviedealers
    @themoviedealers 6 років тому +2

    Reminds me heavily of the south Bronx in the 1970s. I was there.

  • @kelly3014
    @kelly3014 6 років тому

    Crime is really bad in East Cleveland. I went to Cleveland State, and one of my projects was to document all the poverty throughout the city. It’s a sad sight...

  • @persnunoun
    @persnunoun 6 років тому

    Reminds me of some of the streets In the south Bronx when I was growing up In the 70s and 80s.

  • @64pori
    @64pori 6 років тому +2

    Hi Dan, glad you're doing abandoned places again. 💙👍

  • @DanKirchner5150
    @DanKirchner5150 6 років тому

    grew up seeing this place fall down brick by brick

  • @TrainmasterCurt
    @TrainmasterCurt 6 років тому +1

    🙀🔪 You could almost expect Jason or Michael Myers to jump out at you from a quiet corner! Freaky shit Dan!

  • @8ighty.3
    @8ighty.3 6 років тому +17

    Looks like it was filmed w/ a potato.

  • @marcusgoundie9556
    @marcusgoundie9556 6 років тому

    Dan your videos are always amazing. Love it.

  • @diamondbooker5825
    @diamondbooker5825 6 років тому +1

    I live in Cleveland but the nice areas. This is so scary I go pass here to work

  • @missredumbrella
    @missredumbrella 6 років тому

    Hello from the UK ....I love you guys 👊👊

  • @sheilalovesrockett
    @sheilalovesrockett 6 років тому +4

    If your still in Cleveland, you ought to go to 9513 Kennedy Street. My great grandparents lived there. A lot of that street has abandoned homes. Neighborhood used to be mainly Hungarian and other Eastern European families.

    • @chasjohn57
      @chasjohn57 5 років тому

      I lived 3 streets away next to the school, damn! What happened?

  • @ardiemclelland2039
    @ardiemclelland2039 5 років тому

    Love your channel(s) !!

  • @simonpetrus1981
    @simonpetrus1981 6 років тому +4

    SAD 😢😢.

  • @tjt072
    @tjt072 6 років тому

    It's sad to see places like that and how the city does nothing about it

  • @reiramiya8805
    @reiramiya8805 6 років тому +2

    Wow. So sad. Interesting, but sad.

  • @helleborechigurh2158
    @helleborechigurh2158 6 років тому +3

    Oh snap! I live in Cleveland!

  • @amymcbride5201
    @amymcbride5201 6 років тому +3

    Awesome your in my hometown!

  • @audreyharlow5285
    @audreyharlow5285 6 років тому +3

    East Cleveland is in trouble. Serious government failure. All of Cleveland is not like this

    • @robertpreskop4425
      @robertpreskop4425 6 років тому +1

      Audrey Harlow the overwhelming majority of Cleveland is like that.

    • @audreyharlow5285
      @audreyharlow5285 6 років тому

      Robert Preskop It is not. Don’t spread false shit

    • @robertpreskop4425
      @robertpreskop4425 6 років тому +1

      Audrey Harlow that is not false shit that is the truth. Most of Cleveland itself is a decaying slum. Take off your rose colored sunglasses Clevelander, your city is through!

    • @audreyharlow5285
      @audreyharlow5285 6 років тому

      Robert Preskop omg troll. Go away

  • @Cichlid_Visuals
    @Cichlid_Visuals 6 років тому

    lmao the lag glitching at the end made rick look very scary

  • @AaronBridges
    @AaronBridges 6 років тому

    This is where the Cleveland Browns players lived before they moved to Baltimore in the 90's. Been empty ever since.

  • @michelek50
    @michelek50 6 років тому +1

    Cleveland has come a long way, the downtown is beautiful. The west side is also undergoing revitalization. Sadly, the east side has been left to rot in a lot of places.

  • @BFagan
    @BFagan 6 років тому +1

    The serial killer's home was there, but was demolished in 2011.

  • @jeffcampbell6898
    @jeffcampbell6898 5 років тому

    According to the Cleveland Papers, these apartments were built right after WW2.

  • @TheChihuahuaLady
    @TheChihuahuaLady 6 років тому

    Your work is fascinating Dan.

  • @scrimpy78
    @scrimpy78 6 років тому +13

    You should hook up with Urbex Dane! He's done really great videos in Cleveland.

  • @quantumleap1491
    @quantumleap1491 6 років тому

    Me and my best friend just missed you guys lol we are from Painesville

  • @ChevyCamaroIsBetter
    @ChevyCamaroIsBetter 6 років тому +10

    Man, I knew Ohio had some rough spots, but this is Detroit level rough.

    • @robertpreskop4425
      @robertpreskop4425 6 років тому +1

      Warhead Urban Exploration Cleveland is way worse than Detroit and is probably worse than Flint.

  • @BollingHolt
    @BollingHolt 6 років тому +2

    "All the little chicks with their crimson lips say, 'Cleveland rocks! Cleveland rocks!'"

    • @robertpreskop4425
      @robertpreskop4425 6 років тому +1

      Bolling Holt yeah they are living in a fantasyland. Cleveland sucks! Cleveland is through!

    • @jenniferburton1711
      @jenniferburton1711 6 років тому

      Robert Preskop this is East Cleveland not Cleveland

  • @CoinHuntingDrew
    @CoinHuntingDrew 5 років тому

    3:47 was freshly abandoned in 2009

  • @prescotlove1009
    @prescotlove1009 6 років тому

    They should allow homeless people to do a clean up...provide some building supplies etc...And assign groups to each building who can then live there...

  • @inri3762
    @inri3762 6 років тому

    cant get enough of SERRA.....he has the jolly italian uncle mafia persona

  • @Gypsy839
    @Gypsy839 6 років тому +2

    Watching this makes me sad!

  • @urbex...beyondtheentry2536
    @urbex...beyondtheentry2536 6 років тому +1

    Place looks pretty apocalyptic...kinda like from the Terminator...but at night...✌🏻️

  • @bshingledecker
    @bshingledecker 6 років тому

    Cleveland Clinic will be buying this area up in the not too distant future.

  • @Piecemaker1623
    @Piecemaker1623 6 років тому

    It is nice to see Rick not full of beer like on ADR.

  • @K0msur
    @K0msur 6 років тому +2

    Love the 360p resolution. Otherwise, another good video!

  • @beegreengrowersunionwv.7523
    @beegreengrowersunionwv.7523 6 років тому

    Dan, I grew up in balt. Love your videos.
    jc
    oh, I left and moved to wv.......I recommend it highly...

  • @johnny-becker
    @johnny-becker 6 років тому

    Three words come to mind: Really Big Bondfire. Seriously, take that giant dumpster on the street, take everything that will burn right down to the wooden studs, beams and joists and throw them in along some lit matches. Clear out the neighborhood.

  • @denisewilson2943
    @denisewilson2943 6 років тому

    Sorry I was late. I loved the buildings and yet they made me cry.

  • @vguevara32
    @vguevara32 6 років тому

    I’ve missed your abandoned videos. Thank you

  • @Poeboi
    @Poeboi 5 років тому

    This is so sad to me. Be careful yinz guys.

  • @five5x
    @five5x 6 років тому

    WTF, the shit never fails to surprise me

  • @stateofdisorder1
    @stateofdisorder1 6 років тому

    In case you didn’t look it up yet Dan/Rick, the Cleveland Strangler en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Sowell

  • @FullyCharged22
    @FullyCharged22 6 років тому

    I can't believe they're in Cleveland! I wish I had known.

  • @Rfk1966
    @Rfk1966 6 років тому

    A couple of decent lake-effect snowstorms probably took out those roofs leaving the structure to rot from the inside

  • @Sylkenwolf
    @Sylkenwolf 6 років тому

    The city should tear it down and start over! That's horrible!

  • @gabrielpaulsmom
    @gabrielpaulsmom 6 років тому

    That moss covering the entire front of that building!

  • @dianajemison105
    @dianajemison105 6 років тому +2

    Dan, if you look at this on Google maps it says Chapman Ave. and you can barely see the buildings through the trees and bushes. Looks like they've cleaned up a lot since the then.

  • @davidc.pierce9631
    @davidc.pierce9631 6 років тому

    What a nightmare! It is saddening, to see. Enjoyed the explore, though. 👍

  • @loditx7706
    @loditx7706 5 років тому

    Good lord! I've never seen Rick look clean. I woulf guess that the older buildings you thought were built in the 40s were actually built from 1900 - 1920s and the flat boxy ones across the street were 50s, post WWII anyway. Not much construction going on in 40s, hence housing shortage following war.

  • @gagemoss1075
    @gagemoss1075 6 років тому +1

    Th Google street view is from 2014 and looks very different with all the trees intact. One of those buildings in the background @ 8:50 (175 Chapman Ave) sold for $170,00 in 2002. Built 1920. Best stat:: 81 registered Sex Offenders within mile.

  • @LikaLaruku
    @LikaLaruku 6 років тому

    If this was in Seattle, there's be 12,500 homeless people bumbling in & out of the buildings, drug needles, broken beer bottles, & the buildings would be covered in berry bushes & ivy.

  • @vinylvishrecords
    @vinylvishrecords 6 років тому

    oh wow they cut all the trees down..that block was full of street lined trees

  • @Winter307
    @Winter307 6 років тому +1

    It's sad the city just lets it go like this. I guess at least the groundhogs have a home.

  • @mathuetax
    @mathuetax 6 років тому

    Interesting to look at this street in Google street view, November 2007 that modern apartment building appears to still be in use.

  • @brianaschino4903
    @brianaschino4903 6 років тому

    Do we know why these buildings were abandoned? In my town a builder bought an old public housing structure and made them into luxury apartments and they’re beautiful now!

  • @AKayfabe
    @AKayfabe 6 років тому

    Hey Dan I really love all of your work, and I am starting also with some video stuff soon. I am going to record the homeless.But anyhow, I would really love it if you could visit Minnesota. We not only have Dirty Motels all over(, I have stayed in a few having been homeless myself for ten years in my past)but also several dead malls. And lot of things to record if you know where to look,in winter not as good lot of cold and snow,but fall and summer perfect exploration days. WHen and if I can ever afford a real camera,not just my iPhone, you may start seeing my other channel with some stuff,but I watch ALL your stuff all the time. I also completely and always understood about Trapped and Terrified an artist can make one faked video for entertainment reasons,and still have everything else they do be totally real,and people need to kind of understand that fact. I would really like to meet you and show you the places here.

  • @barbarawhittall2311
    @barbarawhittall2311 6 років тому +11

    Why has this section of a city been abandoned???

    • @happymommywatson
      @happymommywatson 6 років тому +10

      barbara whittall crime, poverty,unemployment you name it

    • @RustyMuck
      @RustyMuck 6 років тому +6

      This is *East Cleveland* not Cleveland. It's a separate city.

    • @RustyMuck
      @RustyMuck 6 років тому +4

      otterlover95 Neither of the two nuclear plants are remotely close to East Cleveland. Davis-Besse, which has had an embarrassingly long history of environmental mishaps, is over on the other end of the state, west of Sandusky.

    • @robertpreskop4425
      @robertpreskop4425 6 років тому

      Nathan Obral no dude that is the City of Cleveland, not neighboring East Cleveland. Nice try in trying to deflect the grave problems of what used to be Ohio's largest city.

    • @deadcorpert619
      @deadcorpert619 6 років тому

      It’s a suburb of Cleveland. Not actually under Cleveland’s control. They filed for bankruptcy a while back and soon Cleveland will have full control.

  • @jeffmoore3449
    @jeffmoore3449 6 років тому

    I hear "Hey, Berry!" at 1:23.

  • @mikewatkins8342
    @mikewatkins8342 6 років тому +1

    love your videos

  • @EphemeralProductions
    @EphemeralProductions 6 років тому

    That’s even worse than some of those areas he’s shown in Baltimore.

  • @Aleksandar_M
    @Aleksandar_M 6 років тому

    Amazing place! I don't understand why there isn't graffiti everywhere-Is it too far away from populated area?

  • @nonconnahordeath
    @nonconnahordeath 6 років тому

    Did you take any VHS tapes to check out?

  • @TheCRTProductions
    @TheCRTProductions 5 років тому

    Cool ruins! Yeah too bad he did it live this would be a great place to see

  • @JDKukis
    @JDKukis 6 років тому

    Wish I could have made it to the meetup. I live in Cleveland, but sadly had to work.

  • @lauraodle5816
    @lauraodle5816 6 років тому +1

    Wow...😲

  • @jaggirl
    @jaggirl 5 років тому

    Where have all the people gone?
    Companies closing there doors causes a lot of homelessness.

  • @BFagan
    @BFagan 6 років тому +1

    Geez, first Detroit, Baltimore, Gary, and Flint; now Cleveland.

    • @robertpreskop4425
      @robertpreskop4425 6 років тому +1

      UrbexNY he needs to visit Toledo, that city is just as bad as Cleveland.

    • @BFagan
      @BFagan 6 років тому

      Is it really? Another one bites the dust. We have Utica, here in NY; it's like a mini Detroit.

    • @robertpreskop4425
      @robertpreskop4425 6 років тому +1

      UrbexNY there is another bad one in New York, Niagara Falls or should I say "Gary Indiana On The Falls".

    • @BFagan
      @BFagan 6 років тому

      Robert Preskop Haha, you got that right.

    • @robertpreskop4425
      @robertpreskop4425 6 років тому

      UrbexNY also Binghamton and Rochester are very bad!

  • @Marvel_fan-py9wv
    @Marvel_fan-py9wv 6 років тому

    My home town there no place like home

  • @yeahriight57
    @yeahriight57 6 років тому

    Rick was very calm of course he was just drinking water, maybe that was why. I hate these live streams, you can’t even see what they are doing the quality is crap; I guess the point is to talk to them. BUT I love Dan BeLL’s channel.....

  • @robertpreskop4425
    @robertpreskop4425 6 років тому

    You should come to Niagara Falls NY a lot of urban decay and abandonment.

  • @lilstarshard
    @lilstarshard 6 років тому

    This place reminds me of the tuberculosis hospital in Lima, OH.

    • @robertpreskop4425
      @robertpreskop4425 6 років тому

      Katie Scarlett otherwise how is Lima faring out these days?

    • @lilstarshard
      @lilstarshard 6 років тому

      Robert Preskop Don’t know, I’m from Youngstown. Made the trip with some friends one day to check out the hospital maybe 10 years ago?

    • @robertpreskop4425
      @robertpreskop4425 6 років тому

      Katie Scarlett I have been watching some videos about Youngstown and it looks like your home city is turning the corner for the better. Heres hoping that Youngstown can successfully revitalize itself and attract more creative and entrepreneurial people. Lets just hope that the worst is behind it and the its future is more promising. I think that Youngstown will be much easier to revitalize than either Cleveland or Toledo.