Reacting to "Anti-Anti-MLM" Propaganda (Imbosslee & NSSG) | Part 1
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Today Drew from Genetically Modified Skeptic and I are reacting to two MLM Coaches, Jessie Lee (Imbosslee or Bosslee) and Colleen (No Shame Sales Game), who recently had a discussion about the “AntiMLM Movement”. They titled their discussion something along the lines of Anti-Anti-MLM talk. Do they have good points against common anti-MLM arguments? Tune in to find out!
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Thank you to have taken the time to positively critic their schemes! To show what is the real facts actually and proveable!
I've been in Jehovah's Witnesses since my birth until my 28 years old when I decided to dissacociate myself at the price of being shunned and disowned by my mom and the only peoples I ONLY knew! I quitted their Sectarian Cult as it was starting costing my life and I was on the brink to kill myself by all the intolerance given to me for the Non-Binary Trans Woman I am that I actually did my coming-out 6 months before dissacociating myself! So, seeing those MLMs, how they actually technically are a High Control Groups just like where I was, it drives me insane when I hear them saying so much nonsense that are technically unproven, where all the data we give them show how wrong they are, but still, they prefer lying in giving data that are technically false and just pure malicious lies!
What just Primarily maked me shout out loud is that affirmation when they litteraly said that being Anti-MLM is being against women! It just went under my skin! MLM aren't Pro-Women, even if they have a majority of women in those MLM, the women are still monetarily abused to have nearly nothing while the top 1% have everything! THEY ARE abusing women in their schemes! And even if they wouldn't abuse their Sales representatives, they still are technically Pro-Cis Women ONLY, those MLMs are highly built by TERFS that won't even let Trans Women join their Parties, or any sessions at all! Peoples like me are still considered as not real women by those organisations! So hearing them DARING to say being Anti-MLM is Anti-Women, it is just raising every hair on my head and is boiling my nerves as well as insulting my own integrity!
$300 may be life changing to some people, but not when you have to spend $600 to get it.
Do doordash for a week and you can get that no problem. Way less work for that $300
@@UlexiteTVStoneLexite because anything is more profitable than being on a low level in an mlm.
Even doing completely nothing usually is. Cause it doesn't cost money
@@dutchik5107 walking to the park is more profitable, as you might find a penny
Oh, spending $600 to get $300 could be life changing. In precisely the wrong circumstances, at least.
I've always felt that MLM success can only come when hundreds or thousands of people under you fail. That type of business model is inherently unethical.
Yep, that’s exactly right.
there's a fundamental and very frustrating sleight of hand technique involved in saying basically capitalism normally exploits women, well here is a version of capitalism where women are on top, and leaving out that the women who are on top got there by... exploiting women
To be honest that's very close to what wealth really is. It's a measure of the volume of folks that have less than you.
@@storm14k Are you suggesting capitalism is unethical? because I'm willing to go there if you are...
@@jordonleblanc1809 at large scales that's an argument that can be made. At small scales we have to be careful because we're getting into the idea of basic ownership down to the right to own your own thoughts.
Jessie Lee's landlord was her mom. She was living free in her mom's basement and her mom wanted to charge her $300. She's such a sneak
Interesting how she NEVER mentions that one little detail 🤣
Oh this just adds another level
There is so much she selectively leaves out of her story to change the narrative.
Came here for this. Yes, Jesse Lee knows _exactly_ what she is saying and doing.
I was thinking $300 sounded a bit steep for a single rent increase, especially for a sad basement.
Recruits ARE customers. Period. This is a critical fact that justifies the claim that MLMs are pyramid schemes
Yup. And the other one is that the very judicial precedent from the 1979 Amway trial, which allows MLMs to operate legally, is not only never enforced, it is inherently unenforceable. The "70% rule" states that distributors must sell 70% of the inventory they purchase each month, and the "10 customer rule" states that the sales must be made to at least 10 different "retail" or "outside" customers, and the burden is on the distributor - not the company - to provide proof of this to their "sponsor" (upline) and "Direct Distributor" (the MLM). To my knowledge, no MLM EVER has told people to keep track of this, nor have they ever asked their distributors for proof of this - because, in my opinion, they don't want a paper trail of that. This precedent is only ever referenced in individual FTC investigations into companies that have been accused of being pyramid schemes, which, again, puts the burden of both reporting en masse the company's alleged crimes, and of the financial harm that all of those reporting the crimes have inevitably been subject to in the meantime. Whatever the original intention of this ruling, its actual effect is to essentially make the distributors/recruits/customers bear all of the responsibility and harm while giving the MLMs free reign to make millions to billions of dollars and skirt any legal responsibility right up until the very end - if there even is an end. MLMs are pyramid schemes. They are criminal organizations, and they know it. And the worst part is that our government (the US government I mean, but many others too) is complicit - and they have been ever since that Amway ruling.
Don’t insult pyramid schemes by comparing them to MLMs.
False
The opposite of "predator" is not "victim" lol you can be both, ladies 🙄
Yes, exactly! You can be both victim and predator at the same time.
It is such a evangelical idea to say that 'if they are disagreeing with us or saying they don't like what we are doing, that is when I am succeeding.'
Learning the reality of this after leaving Evangelicalism was really hard to deal with
There's a reason why mlms are huge in Christian circles.
Persecution complex
Exactly- ive always hated that "biblical" idea of "well, the world might be saying we are wrong, but don't listen, we are better than the world and must save them"
When they were talking about victims turning into predators and pretending that didn't make sense I was wondering what world they live in. That's pretty much always what happens. It's established fact that most abusers were abused as children. That happens across the board with victim/prey relationships. People learn behaviors somewhere.
Exactly. And how do they think dangerous cults recruit more followers? By brainwashing people who then go out and brainwash others
Wow. Way to smear survivors of abuse!
@@wmdkitty they aren’t smearing victims!! Just saying that people who abuse have often been abused themselves. You find it with young children who bully in the playground; often they are being bullied at home by parents or older siblings.
@@wmdkitty I'm a victim of abuse, does that mean I can't abuse another person?
My mom is a CSA survivor but she did abuse me as a child. She didn't sexually abuse me, but she still had many tendencies and behaviors that she learned from her abusers of which influenced her parenting. She was simultaneously a victim and a perpetrator of abuse. Most people don't just become abusers magically one day.
Thank you for keeping room for nuance when discussing the role of MLM distributors as both victims and causing harm to others. As you said, people can shift between one and the other or experience both, or cause harm without fully understanding how predatory MLMs are.
You put this so eloquently! I wish I would have framed it as well as you did in this comment!
That last bit about the "female brain" made my female brain hurt
Yes! Attributing socialization to biology is one of my pet peeves!
I'm a little confused by one of her claims. She basically said that it's in her DNA to outwork everyone, but she was living in a basement and barely scraping by. Why was she in that situation to begin with and how is it she only got out once she was in an MLM with people in her downline? I know things can happen, it just seems odd that someone who's genetically predisposed to be the hardest working person in business would need to be in a business where their downline is making them money in order to get out of a tough spot.
Really nice point
not only that, but it was her moms basement.
All her successes are her own making, all her failures are due to circumstances outside her control.
@@controversialconversations5734 Hold on. Not only was her mom charging her rent but she was upping it by $300/month?
@@sweettalkinghippie yes. From 0. Isabella Lantern did a deep dive on her story.
"Now I'm education, now I understand about NFTs" That's because NFTs are just as scammy as MLMs if not more so.
*educated. Autocorrect is just making me look bad
Put them together and you have iGenius.
Let's be real, NFTs are just MLMs with an even more useless product.
Ah yes,
“I am become Education, teacher of worlds.”
-classic quote by Oppenheimer, primary school teacher from the best timeline
NFTs are literally just selling someone a number that points to a file holder.
Classic JLW, "MY HATERS ARE BUILDING MY BUSINESS!" ...... also sends Chelsea a cease & desist letter to try to get her to shut up 🤨🤔
Oh wow I didn’t know she had sent Chelsea a cease and desist! I actually only realized recently that CC’s done a bunch of investigating and vids on her. I need to watch them all at some point.
So, like Jessie is putting herself out there as a public figure and with that she’s opening herself up to criticism. MLM coaches like her are obsessed with portraying a certain image of wealth and success, so when that image starts to be picked apart by us skeptics she goes crazy. She can’t stand the fact that now there’s people out there who don’t think she’s the pinnacle of wealth and success.
@@theantibot lol yup, Chelsea spilled BBQ sauce on the c&d letter 😆 she's done a ton of content on Boss Lee
😂😂😂 That’s amazing!!! I’m dying!!!
It’s strange how much people hate us for taking advantage of our friends and family let alone complete strangers.
How to make friends as an adult: Join a book club, volunteer, look for a running group, take pottery or arts classes, do yoga, join online Facebook groups with people with similar interests, go to a fitness class at a community center. Some of these options are free.
Sitting here in my favorite cubicle, thinking, of course she loves people with Jobs. They're the ones with money to buy your crap!
I almost fell into an MLM trap that was set by a senior marketing director from this "financial group". I didn't see the red flags at first, because he was so passionate, inspiring, and he really has the energy of a motivational speaker. After taking a few online training sessions, something felt off. I couldn't put my finger on it, but the numbers didn't add up. So after doing some research, I found out that other people also almost fell into said trap, and also shared their experiences.
was it WFG?
notinterestedinyourscamsis YES that’s the one!
@@DjurrenArt ugh I was in wfg let me guess they got you on a zoom?
I just re-read you were in several online training sessions they’re supposedly about spreading financial literacy which we do lack in this nation but an MLM is surely not the way to go. I totally believe you when you said they speak w passion like a motivational speaker…all that is so cringe now that I remember my experience. they’ll say high energy = high income or something like that. glad you did your research and avoided that one! they try to be slick but they’re for sure an MLM you can only make more money if you recruit.
@@ucantbreakmysoul4325 Yeah, on Zoom. And so glad I did my research before I went any further. You wouldn't believe the amount of numerous horror stories I've read. Also that one dude that's really energetic is lowkey scary ngl. Still get shivers down my spine thinking about it.
So nice of you to let smaller youtubers on your channel 😜
On a more serious note I feel a lot of this behavior we see is down to how "success" is defined culturally (which might also explain why we see less mlm's in Europe).
Anyways keep up the good work!
Lol! I know, I’m such a compassionate person 😂
Fewer not less.
@@theantibot yes you are. But practically compassionate. Talk is cheap. You do the work. You're better than compassionate, you're admirable in the true sense of the word. You're fundamentally decent for the sake of it.
"(which might also explain why we see less mlm's in Europe)"
There are also more laws in place to help people who lose money in MLMs. That said, some of the first anti-MLM reporting I saw actually came from the BBC, and there's a major MLM in Europe/SOuth Asia that actually isn't in the US at all (Oriflame).
It's very telling that they admit how upset they were to see others succeed. I have NEVER felt that way to be honest. When I see friends or even random people on social media succeeding in life (obviously excluding people who have become "successful" at scamming others or doing something else unethical) I've never thought 'fuck that person.' I am overjoyed to see other people happy. It is plain to see that the years of cognitive dissonance, low pay, 24/7 work, sleepless nights, stress of constant recruitment and fear of dropping rank at any moment has formed bitterness in their hearts.
Right?! I sometimes feel like I don't measure up, but to be angry and hate those who are doing well? 🚩🚩🚩
"Whose to say success is monetary?"
You! All you MLMers do!
Omg this is the best day of my life. I’ve been watching Drew for years and you since you started your channel. I adore you both and AN HOUR LONG VID OF BOTH OF YOU? Happy day
Yay! I hope you enjoy!
Drew is awesome, I've always loved his humble attitude and the way he thinks.
What I don't get about these MLM advocates is how they juxtapose 9-5 jobs and MLM, as if nothing else exists on this planet, and people are either unhappy cubicle workers or "liberated" MLMers.
Yes! I had the same thought. Like, wait, I make good money but I'm not in a cubicle so 🤷🏻♀️
Yeah, they don't get that... there's actually people out there who like or at least don't mind their job? Freelancers working from home? Legitimate small business owners? Chefs and line cooks? So many jobs out there that aren't cubicle-based.
Hey a cult sales pitch won't work without a good false dichotomy.
Them saying everyone is jealous if their success is all in their thoughts. They are these greedy women who are unhappy, not us. I would never put someone down for having followed a dream and create success from it, I encourage that! Wow, wow, they have some stuff going on in their heads
My husband and I both own our own businesses. I don't work 8 hrs, I work 24/7. I love it. But owning a real business is a struggle, if I don't work, I dont get paid. That can be tough, and yeah, not everyone can do that. It's still a struggle.
Exactly! Them saying how they hated some successful people made me think of vicious trolls that hate watch or hate follow someone just to let them know how they hate that person.
Even Colleen mentioned that she used to hate peoples success, like sis that’s a you problem maybe you oughta work on that 🤷🏼♀️
I’d be very wary of anything that came out of either of these women’s mouths. There are people who have worked under JLW and left told a much different story about the way they were treated afterwards by her. Looking at who would have the motive to stretch the truth and who wouldn’t, I’m inclined to believe the ex-downline over her. 🤷🏼♀️
Well before I knew the concept of market saturation, I remember my aunt trying to “grow her business” within Mary Kay. All I could think was, we live in a small town. If everyone that uses Mary Kay is a sales person, who’s going to buy the product?
So happy to see you covering this!!!!!
Already, i have a quote from the old 1980s t.v. show The Equalizer in my head. "Such a terrible use of a double negative."
The predator vs victim thing in my opinion is them not understanding that 1)Its the business model that is inherently predatory. They are causing harm by participating in a predatory business model, whether their intention is to cause harm or not. I personally would not call anyone except for the founders/owners of the MLM itself predators, but that's personal opinion. 2) They are victims of brain washing/influence by a predatory business model that is not honest.
You can still be a victim of something, but it doesn't excuse you from the consequences of your actions. I do/say shitty things sometimes due to mental health issues, but that doesn't negate my responsibility for the things I do/say. Its my responsibility to deal with the consequences if I cause harm to others, intentional or not. This idea that you can't both be a victim and cause harm to others is just not reality.
The way your guests laugh hysterically is a bit of a giveaway
My main takeaway from watching Jessie Lee is that Pruvit’s ketones drinks must contain cocaine.
The victim->victimizer transition is well studied. It's suuuuuper common. Almost predictable. Aside from people with specific pathologies, I'd bet most victimizers were previously victims and maybe currently still are.
Nope. Abusers choose to be abusers.
@@wmdkitty nope. Rates of PTSD and ACEs (adverse childhood experiences) are way higher in criminal populations than in general population
@@wmdkitty source?
If MLM leaders started sharing real stories, their social media would look exactly like an anti-MLM page/channel.
I have driven stick for over 20 years. I have never blown a transmission by putting a car in neutral to coast down a hill/mountain or to a stop. I am so confused by that story.
I agree. I've driven a standard for a long time, I always put it in neutral going down a long hill and never had any problems. Her story is a really odd one.
I don't drive stick but isn't it what you're supposed to do or like standard practice? 😂
OMG thank you. It's been so long since I have driven a standard that I though maybe I was losing my memory. I was just like....isn't that how it works? Probably going to need to shift anyway. Plus it's a standard you aren't going to hurt the transmission by going into neutral....
Hey guys, I love how you guys present such an ethically based answer to this nonsense. The way in which the two of you interact and make your arguments is very conversational and enjoyable to watch, good job with this
Sadly, many anti-MLM content creators do descend to the level of ad hominem. Not many stick to analysis and commentary. You are among the latter group. Keep up the good work!
When Drew mentioned that MLM's are sold as a way to gain Christian sisterhood it made me wonder if anyone has done a study or a deep dive regarding links to religion and getting involved in an MLM? 🤔 I would be extremely interested in seeing something like that.
Heaps of faith manipulation across the industry. JulieJo has a trend on these cases coming from studying diploma in Christian ministry as well as past faith context. Lots of 'God sent you to this call about signing uo' and 'this business is my ministry'
Hi Taylor! You're the best! I wanted to clarify the statistic that 99.7% of MLM participants either don't make money or lose it. Am I correct in thinking that stat is only from the John Taylor study? I seem to remember that there was a more recent study done by the AARP where results were still bad but not quite as dismal as the Taylor study. I'm asking because I've had this argument with a pro-MLMer Harvard-trained lawyer and her argument to me was that that statistic was from one study conducted by a disgruntled former MLMer. Anyhow, I feel like we'd need to replicate that study if we want to use that stat as gospel. Other than the Taylor study and the AARP study, do you know of any others that I could point to to back up my anti-mlm stance?
Great question! Yes, there is an AARP study that I think showed that 75% (ish, I can’t remember the exact stat) make no money or lose money, but I didn’t find the AARP study to be nearly as robust as the Taylor study. To my recollection, they mostly relied on questionnaires. Company income disclosure statements are a good source (although companies do sway the stats more positive for their income disclosures) - on average 80%-90% of th company is at the lowest rank averaging very little annually (and remember, this is not counting for expenses).
I very much agree. I think there needs to be future studies, because it is important that Taylor’s study is replicated with similar results in order to use it as a definitive resource. That’s proven to be very tricky though, because MLM companies are notorious for keeping their distributors true income hidden away.
@@theantibot thank you! That makes sense. It is so clear to me that having a disproportionately large and unpaid sales force is a grossly unethical business practice but it feels impossible trying reason with anyone involved about that.
LOL what a way to roast your husband!
"I talked to the person i was renting the room in the basement from" you mean you talked to your mom Jessie Lee?
Also she doesn't seem to be still Friends with Erin Bies anymore after she left...
Wow. They remind me of some of my mom's goofy wine buddies. 😂
ngl, the "not knocking having a job, but people who don't join my team and prefer their stable job are ridiculous" is ABSOLUTELY knocking having a stable job. It doesn't make it not insulting when you say "I'm not insulting you, I just think that you're stupid" Like, it's still an insult???
The huge red flag was seeing my 2008 BMW as a home owner when they invited me to a house party at a town house with a 2006 Audi and a 2004 Acura
My first car was a stick shift and 9 years ago I bought a Jeep Wrangler that's a stick shift which I still drive to this day. Putting it in neutral is not going to "blow up the engine" and it's not going to save gas. 🤦♀️
If you're going down a hill you're not putting your foot on the pedal to accelerate so you're just not using gas no matter what kind of car you're in!
These women are so fake and cringe. The fake laughs, the bs stories, the pure egotism is unbearable.
oh boy she makes a lot of claims about what men and women 'naturally' are that makes me wonder what exactly she thinks comprises a 'natural' man or woman or i dunno non binary person
What's baffling is that they assume that everyone who sees MLMs for the scams that they are is broke, works in a cubicle, and struggles through life. I work from home, I have flexible hours, I have PTO and health insurance, I love what I do, I pay all my bills without any issues, and I have a good amount of disposable income that I either save or use for fun stuff. And I don't need to make regular videos about how my job is not a scam. There isn't a single industry other than MLMs that have an anti community. That's for a reason. It's so telling about who their target audience is: BROKE, STRUGGLING, VULNERABLE people; which proves they're predatory.
Also, in my opinion, Jesse Lee talks and expresses herself like her brain is fried; like she's always either drunk or high on pills. I have no idea how anyone takes anything she says seriously. And Colleen just straight up looks like a bullshiter and always misses the point.
There are plenty of anti communities for other jobs, specifically landlords (although is it really a real job?). But that's again very often predatory.
And the only people who are actually pro it are the ones making money from it.
There are anti police and anti lawyers and anti s.xworkers.
But those jobs have support from people who don't make money from it.
@@tatiana4050, people call for police reform because the abuse, systemic racism, and lack of accountability are rampant. But we know we need law enforcement. Same with lawyers. The ambulance chasers and the billable hours system lend themselves to abuse; but the legal profession is still very much necessary.
It's one thing to say: "Your industry is needed, but has A LOT of problems to address and resolve" vs "Your industry is unethical and needs to stop existing."
This chick literally didn't stop talking the entire video. I feel like people like this just talk, and talk, and talk, people in circles until they have no idea what they are doing and they sign on the dotted line because they feel so discombobulated after one conversation with them. Its people like her that I can see taking HUGE advantage of meek, uncertain women who just need some extra money... and then they get screwed over.
I love your viewpoint on this and appreciative of how you talk about this stuff
at the beginning Taylor looks so wearied by the nonsense and Drew is just smiling like 'oooh all the tastiest logical fallacies!'
Its ridiculous how they compare working for an MLM to an uber eats or babysitting job. While maybe you can make 300$ doing each of them, the MLM will be so much more time consuming, often in the region of a full time job even for 300$ (with all the meeting, trainings etc they have to attend and give) and while with uber eats / babysitting you might one month make 0 dollars if no jobs come in, in the MLM you might lose a lot of money each months (depending on which mlm you’re in, but they ALL have overpriced products they make you buy). Such a joke.
40:03 Engineer here: you won't save gas putting your car in neutral and going downhill, you'll just overheat your breaks and risk and accident!
You only burn gas when you give it to the engine, i.e, when you press the accelerator.
If you want to save gas, just reduce one gear and let the engine decelerate for you, but never and I say NEVER put your gear on neutral if you want to keep control of your car!
...The entire idea that that you can't be both a victim and a predator at the same time is absolute wacky nonsense. My mother victimized me as a child. She was a predator. She was also, however, a victim of HER mother. You can be the victim and the predator at the same time. It's literally how generational trauma happens.
Yup, or situations like that of Allison Mack. She was manipulated and preyed on by Raniere, and part of that was her then manipulating and preying on others to expand the group.
28:07 It is higher than a 99.7% chance since an average person is not related to an MLM starter and would be already a few dozen layers deeps by the time they are recruited.
I love your new piercing! Idk how new it is but I haven’t watched in a while and as someone with a lot of piercings myself, I’m glad your doing what you like!
11:05 This seems obvious projection from her part.
And I also can't relate to the idea of hating someone just for being successful. Oh and you guys brought up projection also. : D
As someone who was raised in a cult…. These people share very similar mannerisms, both with facial expressions and wording… it’s eerie. Like there were quick seconds that I forgot I was watching an MLM live because it felt like I was back in the church.
so generous of you to invite generally minor skeptic on your channel
The first clue they are scammers is the speed at which they speak. The second is the punctuation with their hands.
I just find this 'interview' so disingenuous. It just so happens that her rent, of a single room in a basement, went up $300 a month, which is exactly the amount NSSG noted as being life changing? It's just all very convenient that every single one of these very monetarily successful mlmers have the same 'pull yourself up by your bootstraps! I was broke! I worked hard!' story. If you worked so hard (and that's all there is to making money, according to the gospel of MLM), how were you broke to begin with? Wouldn't you have worked your way up in a retail sales job? Car sales or jewelry or some other item? If your skills were so exceptional? The dots just don't line up to me in their stories.
It all rings very false to me. And to be clear - it's the behaviour and the narrative rings false.
And they've just brought up the 'women hating women - you are anti-women!' As if feminism is about always supporting and endorsing every woman on the planet no matter what they do. Oh boy. And now we are up to male versus female brains and 'look up science studies'. Citation please?
I am going to need a coffee to get through part 2.
Thanks as always for being calmer than I could be and for always centering the facts of the industry and the logical fallacies that HAVE to be employed by advocates of mlms in order to defend the industry.
It’s very false. As others have pointed out, the $300/month was her mother deciding she was old enough to start paying rent.
It makes me want to rip my hair out when they say “making an extra $300 a month can be life changing” but you spent $150 for the kit and you spent 15 hours a week trying to recruit and sell.. is $300 worth all that?! No!
Congrats on 20k subscribers! 😘
Thank you!!! 💜💜
This is the best. You both are my faves I swear I love this duo. Also you look so good with the septum and brow piercing 🥰🥰💗 so gorg !!!
Her shirt... says #bosslee... I CAN'T
😂
Her saying she can’t be a victim and then a predator doesn’t make sense. It makes me think slightly of women who are trafficked and then end up trafficking girls themselves
Not that the two actions are comparable. But the model is similar.
Your point about the "success" goalpost being moved over and over again to deflect and distract from the statistical fact that the MLM model is a venture 99% of people are actually _NOT_ successful in, is a perfect take away.
Holy cow, you are wife of genetically modified sceptic??? I have been following him for years, and just recently started following you, not realizing you are a couple! I LOVE you both.
I was in the MLM zyia active for almost three years. I had a “team of 80 women” - it took watching others and feeling demoralized by this broken model for me to look at the stats. It’s so embarrassing to join this business model and then wake up from it - and I was considered “successful.” It’s not a real business, it’s a faulty dream, and it does harm people - even worse though… I couldn’t wrap my mind around the vapid thinking that you have to have to maintain the mental state you need to to stay in an MLM.
those that can, do. those who can't, teach. Sheldon to penny on teaching acting and the tbbt gif love it
they're trying to separate themselves from capitalism when they're actually just one of the worst forms of capitalism
She said she coasted down the hill on neutral (on a manual transmission car), and her brother said her transmission would blow up. That is false. In a manual transmission coasting with neutral doesn't do any harm,. It is only an automatic transmission that will blow up if you coast on neutral.
I don't think they're understanding that there is a world of difference between hating women, and hating the peddling of harmful business models that happens to often be done by women. I am 100% here for supporting women (and anyone else) running and working for legitimate businesses, but I'm under no obligation as a woman to support anyone participating in and promoting a system that largely preys on vulnerable women simply because many of the scammers happen to also be women. That's not me hating women, because at the end of the day it has fuck all to do with anyone's gender; that's me hating scams.
It's infantilizing to say that we need to constantly support other women's choices. No. We are adults, and when we make bad choices we'll have to deal with the consequences. Don't join an MLM or any other scam wnd this won't be an issue.
There is NOTHING harmful about any real MLM business model.
MLM ladies: Your success comes at the cost of other people. Probably the people you recruited. How are you okay with that?
Anyway you both make such smart and intelligent content. The world needs more smart and kind people like you!
If my rent went up by $300 a month I'd rather look for somewhere else to live. I've also owned my own home for 35 years
Well apparently it also went up by more than a 1000%.... From 0 to 300
I remember the first time I saw one of your videos, and somehow Drew was very loosely associated with it. I didn’t realize at the time that you were married, or even dating for that matter, and I thought to myself “They are so cute together! I really hope they get together!!”
More people need to hear this!
I was broke and spent my last ~$300 dollars to be an income life insurance agent and after about a year I probably made $700
Reminds me of the saying: "when male lobsters get tossed into a pot, they build a ladder to help each other try and escape, but female lobsters actually pull each other down, dragging everyone to the bottom so they can all die together."
Whenever I hear "hustle" or "side hustle" all I hear is scam
Jessie- this is the anti-anti MLM stream
Me- okay now reduce your fraction. Just call it the MLM stream or the pro MLM stream.
I always wonder what these people would do if they were asked to be an actress/actor in their favorite tv show but were then told they’d have to pay $100+ just to audition for the show. Would they catch the scam? If they did, how would they find it different than what they already do? 🙄
-1:00:10 the song that will be stuck in my head the next 47 hours is
“MAN MAN MAN MAN MAN MAN MAN woman/ MAN MAN MAN MAN MAN MAN woman woman…”
So glad to see you supporting smaller youtubers like GMS heheh
Someone’s gotta help him out, ya know? 😂
I have only seen anti mlm content that challenges the upper lines. Many blur and keep private ids for those further down the food chain
28:57 If your target is to get $50 a month "working" from home, why would you go for MLM? You can make that much even just with filling surveys. (still doesn't worth your time, but it's less of a waste than MLM)
It's the friends we made on the way!!! not the money you lost or the family and friends you lost.
It’s so nice to see you supporting small creators who have absolutely no platform like, dawn? I think it was, maybe drew but I’m pretty sure it’s not. Especially when you hardly know them. ❤️
Jessie Lee looks so much healthier here. Before both her quack Dr with masses of injectable supplements (she had a video about them) and cutting our all veggies. Also before symptoms of cancer, which she denies having symptoms, and is 'claiming' to be cancer free post op, despite a stage 4 diagnosis implying that a cancer has spread beyond the initial location, also states this despite what pathologists report. Never wish any illness on anyone, but her levels of denial, and the expectation the mlm system places on her so that she is leading at conferences within weeks of a major op. Etc... She needs to take time out to deal with the cancer.
I'm confused by this idea that anti-MLM is filled with really loud people. Most of the folks are pretty normal volume. Have they even taken a look at the people who associate with MLMs?
I've been saved from being recruited to MLMs multiple times by a soul-deep unreasonable disgust and fear of sales and business-ownership. Part of me thinks that this hate I have could be a problem, and I should get rid of it, bit then I remember when by brothers all joined Primerica at the same time because they are natural sales people, and I think "nah. Plenty of other jobs."
Jessie Lee lied about not stopping being friends with people who leave her downline. Erin Bies was a high up member of her downline before she quit.
I watched a 7 minute long MLM ad for this video. You're welcome. 😁
Haha! Bless your soul 🤣
Love the collab!
The "victim predator" dichotomy is so bizarre, does she not realize not all predators are the apex of their environment? Even in humans, think about a violent criminal being randomly attacked in prison or hit by a bus running a red light, there are SO many examples of how these are not a dichotomy in any coherent way.
Projection. The antithesis of critical thinking.
As far as her saying she can't be a victim and a predator, it's the same thing as a slave being thrown into the gladiator ring and being the last survivor that becomes the champion at taking everyone else's life. It doesn't make killing everyone around you right.
As a white heterosexual man, I have a lot of privilege in my life, I'm lucky, and people who say there's no white sexist privilege in america are very not looking at the facts.
"You can't be a victim and later become a predator. It doesn't make logical sense."
Not like this isn't the most common dynamic in nature everywhere and always. From helpless lion cub to killer lion, from being bullied to becoming a bully, from having abusive parents to being an abusive parent... I wonder if this lady doesn't understand this or if it's just some rhetoric she picked up somewhere because it sounded good.
Jessie Lee was born in 1988. When she was 22, the year was 2010. Her claim that the "gig economy didn't exist" is patently FALSE. I am a freelancer on Upwork. First year, I made $500 a month. Cost me NOTHING. It is a fantastic supplemental source of income. Upwork has changed hands a few times, but as an online freelancing platform it has existed since 1999 (2003 was the "true" start). And thats just one online gig platform. When she started looking for supplemental income, the online gig economy had already been working for a decade. She could've done something else easily!
The level of positivity from these two women just... No, please, no.
I'm feeling like a salt water fish in a fresh water lake.
Okay, watched a little further and they're at full bitch mode.
Maybe it shouldn't be refreshing, but it kinda is.
Damn! Those women are silly 😜
The dictionary I have defines silly as being obtuse coupled with smug complacency.
Even if nobody made videos about men in MLMs right now, why is she so rude about that changing in response to her? Like, wouldn't that be a good thing? Wild.
She’s bragging about how she isn’t offended by racism, homophobia, ableism, classism, transphobia…and then taking it even further and saying that if you are offended by those things, it’s because there’s something wrong with you.