To be honest, I’m not even sure “Swiss Made” or “Japan Made” mean all that much. The watch industry really could do with internal or external regulation to force transparency.
There more I got into watches the less I became convinced by the "swiss made" moniker (although my all time grail is the REX 1 ) and have to agree with J's comment regarding "China made"....I would never pay a premium for "made in x"....🏴⌚🏴⌚
Yes. Swiss Made means that at least 60% of the value should be made in Switzerland. Again, do you know how much of your Oris or Longines is really made in Switzerland? In the "affordable category" I assume that Swatch is actually the most true to "Swiss Made" 😅. Made in Germany is a bit different, as said in the video. With watches, typically the parts are sourced outside of Germany and then finished and assembled in Germany. They say, the problem is, that if you make it 100% in Germany, you can only sell products in the A.Lange price category which is kind of true I guess.
I bought one of these when they first came out. I didn't really care if it was made in Germany or not, I just liked the design. Everything lined up, build quality seemed really good, lume was great, bezel action was good, it was running about 2 seconds fast a day and I took it in the ocean and it held up just fine. Even if it is made in China it's still a great watch.
One would think that it is a mark of quality to have the words "Made in XX" written on the dial. The reality is that it often only means that the cost of assembly by far surpasses the cost of the rest of the production of the watch. So the funny thing is, the cheaper a watch is to produce in the far east, the easier it is to legally mark it as "Made in XX". This has to do with the regulations in the EU, US and Switzerland that a certain portion of the expenses from producing the watch need to happen in that country (including designing, marketing expenses and assembly). I am not saying that it is the case with this particular watch. It is just a reality in the watch industry in general that you cannot ignore.
As stated in the video at 5:22 (and also displayed on screen), to be labeled "Made in the USA," all or virtually all of the parts must also be made in the USA. More specifically, all “significant parts, processing and labor that go into the product must be of U.S. origin.” Very few (if any) watches qualify to use the Made in the USA logo because many of the parts necessary to make a watch are not manufactured in the USA. That is why you will see some companies (Vaer, Shinola, some Islander watches, etc.) advertise that their products are "assembled" in the USA. In 2016, the US Federal Trade Commission made Shinola stop using the term "Built in Detroit" because it implied that their watches were Made in the USA, when in fact they were assembled there from foreign made parts.
I used to work for a company that sells outdoor blinds and they offered two types of blinds, one is fully Made in China, the other is Made in Germany using inferior Chinese fabric from the same factory and labelled as Made in Germany. The one thats got a Made in Germany badge on it sells for 20% more despite using inferior material but people are will to go for that just off the name.
How is the material from China inferior if there isn’t a German material being used? If given the proper manufacturing specs, Chinese manufacturers can make as quality of a product as anywhere else in the world.
Thanks Jody, a nice watch as you say but i don't know why some makers persist with applying the anti reflective coating on the outside of the crystal.. It is very annoying when you scratch it and your vision is drawn to it. A deal breaker for me unfortunately.
Not entirely "swiss made", doesn't always mean made in China Here where I live (Italy, 20 miles from the swiss border) there are a couple of hi-end case manufacturing companies: their clients are swiss.
@@marcodeim. -No, it's because the lizard people like the scenery and there is a nice hotel for them and their extensive reptilian support staff to stay at.
Several indices have varying amounts of yellow peeking out at odd angles. Looks like a solid watch, otherwise, but the cockeyed hour markers make it look like an Ali express special.
My friend had a company registered in Germany, but selling Chinese garbage. But on the boxes with goods was written: Germany. Not "made in Germany", but simply "Germany". And it worked great - idiots bought Chinese goods with such an inscription muuuuuuch better. So it's not surprising.
I see this so often even in the US. People buy products with "USA" written on the box and think it means made in the US. My grandparents have given me 2 no name watches now convinced they were getting an "American made" watch (whatever that even means) because the website had "America" all over it. People can't read
@@marcodeim. I would make myself available and touch the watches! Send me your watches and I will send them back to you labelled "Touched by a German" after laying them on by hand during the full moon.🤣
At the end of the day it’s quality control that counts throughout the value chain not the place of manufacture. Take for example Seiko, K and J made units, both have miss alignment. The car industry has cases where the best performing (quality wise) plants are not in their ‘home’ countries.
Super review as ever Jody, great point about the made in label not necessarily being totally reflective of the actual product, I purchased a Marc and Sons watch with an NH35 movement on one of your previous videos and I’ve not looked back, a good solid dependable watch that looks the business and is still one that I love wearing. Keep up the good work and I like many look forward to your next video.
When your channel uploads a new video, I always click on the notification to see your catchphrase "Hello and welcome". Ps. Sorry for my English, love your channel.
Great review. The place of manufacturing is clearly "marketing" rather than honesty. Nice piece, just not me. Great content & keep bringing it to us 😇🙏
It is very well documented that Japan has some of the laxest laws around claims of domestic production. If you Google around you can find some great information about how little of Seiko is made or assembled in Japan.
Never heard of that brand before. Solid build, love the handset and color scheme, but the numerals aren't my cup of tea! Still cool to see an original design from Germany at that price point! Cheers!
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For me, the most important part is where the watch has been assembled and regulate. This is where the cost is when servicing a timepiece. 👌 But still after several years, you will see the difference on reliability between swiss, german, japanese, chinese,... made. ... assuming you take proper care of your watch. 😏
The « made in Italy » part made me think about something curious. I own an Unimatic « Sponge Bob » that has « made in Italy » written in its dial. If the legislation requires that it is 100% made in Italy, then the watch info is wrong (or misleading), as the watch contains a Seiko NH35 (a japanese movement). Either the « made in Italy » tag use is not that strict, or the Unimatic folks have a very broad understanding regarding the « made in » legislation in Italy. Imho it should be « assembled in Italy » or « designed in Italy », but never « made in Italy ». And the same could be said about/applied to many other small and independent brands (Baltic, Undone, Spinnaker, Zelos etc)
@@johnmuthan286 in this case, writing on the dial _made in Italy_ is a lie. the law about it is very clear: "Only products for which the design, planning, processing and packaging have taken place exclusively on the Italian territory can be considered manufactured in Italy." Otherwise it is "designed is Italy".
@@Nome_utente_generico "Design, planning, processing and packaging." All of this is true for the watch. It does not say that all the parts must come from Italy making the product "watch" 🙈. The cow for the leather strap must not necessarily be Italian for a strap made out of its leather to be considered Made in Italy. What about the steel coming from China? A 100% rule is I guess almost impossible...
@@thomasa.243 Sure. But I think even lawmakers (!) understand that raw materials arrive from all over the world. It has to be taken with a grain of salt
@@Nome_utente_generico Yeah, but the question is where does raw material end. Is the watch movement raw material? Probably since a movement does not make a complete product you can sell to end customers.
Great review and very fair considering the sponsorship. Very interesting to look at the ‘subject matter’ of does it matter it’s made in Germany. Some of the best watchmaking in the world come from Germany no that many people realise that. Looks like a great watch but in an increasingly crowded market place with micro brands it is very difficult to do something original.
Nice vid, Jody, thanks for that! I like your side trip to explain the meaning of "!Made in Germany". And I like the watch having a field watch integrated; cool idea. But the best: Now I finallyknow where the swordfish of my MDV-107 has gone!! 😳
Generally, you will need to climb up the horological ladder to find German watches with higher German manufactured content. I understand that Nomos makes their own in house movements. Damasko is gradually growing their capabilities in their quest to become a comprehensive in-house manufacturer. Glasshute Original makes significant modifications to the Swiss movements that they use, and make their faces and hands in house. Stowa offers in house movements in many of their watches, IIRC. If you look hard enough, you can find German made watches which are genuinely made in Germany, but they will fall into the luxury watch category. Dornbluth and Sonne comes to mind. Their watches are made entirely in house in Dresden, by hand, to order and in very low volume.
Great episode, the look at what “made in…” means was interesting. I knew there was wiggle room on what Swiss-made means, but I didn’t realize there was that much. I think “made in Germany”, as with “made in Switzerland” varies largely by company. Both Dekla and the Ickler brands (Archimede, Limes) are proudly and explicitly vertically -integrated with everything except the movements (Swiss) made in-house. Do Sinn and GO do the same? Anyway, I really like that Marc and Sons. Love the yellow on black, that thing would look awesome on a black (or yellow?) FKM-type strap. Shame about those twelve o’clock indices. Hard to buy a watch with it wearing its QAQC issues on its sleeve like that.
My Glashutte Original Panorama date is absolutely and completely manufactured in Germany, alongside A lange & Sonn, Nomos and Mueller Glasshute as well as Tutima. However, I accept this is high end horolgy. Love your channel, brilliant informative and entertaining.
Hi Jodi, A great looking watch I lovel the colours and yes I also noticed the wonky markers. Shame you did not research " Made in England " as well would have been very interested in that comprarison. keep up the good work
Once worked in a company importing asian(not only chinese) pots and pans to Germany. They had a series with "made in Germany" large on the outside. The last step, meaning coating and packaging was performed in Germany...the blank was made in Taiwan, if I recall correctly. To be fair, yes this series was more expensive than the standard stuff, but it also was quite a bit more durable. They really didn't skimp on that coating, I can tell you that much. Still had it in daily use 6 or 7 years after I left the company. XD
Wait, Time stamp 5:30 "To summarize we can regard "Made is Italy" as "Assembled in Germany,...etcetera, etcetera, in Germany?" I know I am not the only one that caught that! Excellent review as always but I couldn't just let that go. Cheers!
I've always been put off buying Seiko watches as most new watch brands use the same movements as Seiko but also use ceramic bezel sapphire glass and excellent lume as standard and there a lot cheaper..I just purchased a San Martin V3 Water ghost with black dial sapphire crystal ceramic bezel NH35a,movement and the build quality is stunning and it looks like million dollars on the wrist and runs like a dream ✌️🧐🇬🇧🇺🇦
Micro adjustment: If there is only one hole, there is NO micro adjustment. That's simply where the springbar connects the bracelet to the clasp. So, NO adjustment whatsoever, unless you count the watch falling off your wrist as an adjustment option. Logically, when there's two, three or four holes, it means that there is only ONE, TWO or THREE (precisely: n - 1) options for adjustment. One hole you will always need to use, thus the number of ADDITIONAL holes defines the number of micro adjustment options.
Thanks for the review... I've been waiting for a thorough one on this watch... was contemplating about getting it in orange for about a year now....However after your good review I've decided against it....it looks cheap and not anything like I'm looking for... I'll allocate my money towards a Sinn 103 chronograph and Sinn U1 instead... You gotta love a watch and in this case I do not
The Made In badge really is marketing on the most part, until you get into the expensive market. However, it is marketing that I probably buy into much more than I should do!
Nice watch, price wise comparable with brands like Cristopher Ward, Farer and Steinhart and whilst if you buy a Glasshutte made watch you can be confident where it comes from, it is more than 10x the price. I could certainly live with the not actually German Sellita inside. Amazing how the previously nice looking dial has huge odd looking indices once pointed out and that's all you can see. I like the reflections, when the AR is too good a watch can look odd to me.
At 5:31 Made in USA. In automobiles, they must contain 75% domestic manufacture to be able to qualify for something I no longer remember what. I do not know if this pertains to other manufactured goods.... I hope you found this interesting: Monte
Love the shirt! I’m watching this review in my VW sweatshirt. I think manufacturing value goes as far as the brand can make it. A watch can be made in Switzerland but still be poorly made or have its faults
I love adjustable clasps like this one, it's so much easier to just go one click out during the day when my wrist expands rather than fiddling with micro adjusts.
Love the colors, robust and elegant at the same time, Jodi where on earth did u get that tshirt ..it rocks ...I search all over amazon for it ..can u share where ...
A lot „made in xx” discussions ongoing. I think mist important is the attitude of the watch owner if he’s willing to pay for the “made in xx” prestige or not … Actually I’m wearing this Marc & Sons watch at my wrist and I can tell you that’s one of my favorites in my watch box … Mine is the version with the blue dial, blue chapter ring and the red minute hand - absolutely stunning 🤩
You are correct Jody; Made in Germany doesn't really mean much anymore. In my collection I have a very attractive champagne colored dial Vintro retro styled chronograph watch. The large exhibition case back reveals a beautiful automatic movement that is signed "designed in Germany" on the decorated rotor. The movement's originally was Swiss, from what I recall, but it is now only manufactured in China. However at the bottom of the watch face is discretely printed MADE IN GERMANY!
Jody I have a question? Have you ever reviewed or tested a Vilhelm prism watch? I was looking into them and they are a Singaporean microbrand like Zelios, and the quantity seems very comparable. Thoughts?
Think it’s a bit busy TBH. Looks very well made so if it’s yer cuppa tea them reckon it’s a good buy for the price. Reckon the big number 12 is BIG! Nice review MrM the crooked indices at 12 and 2 are very poor
Pressed top clasp with ONE micro adjust??? (Faux) Divers extension is not a replacement for micro adjust. Looks like a good watch, but I don’t see the value at the price. Cheers, Jody!
...and a very very interesting video regarding where watches are made , and what this inscription ''made in germany'' , or ''swiss made'' , actually means anything after all .
That's very true... 'Made in China' isn't lying to you - unlike many others. I worked for a stove company in Exeter, UK. Gazco/stovax all their parts are 100 percent made in China and they label it as 'Made in the UK', with Union Jack's printed everywhere.
If I would want the best of Swiss I'd buy a Hamilton or a Patek. If I wanted a German I'd go with a Zeppelin or a Lange. If I wanted a Japanese, I'd get a Seiko or a Grand Seiko. They're all great countries with great watch making legends.
nice info jody... i usuallt dont care where its made, the only thing i care is, will i enjoy the watch, am i satisfied with what i payed fro the watch, also am i keeping it for long or maybe resell them in the future...
I remember Shinola tried to use made in the usa and I knew 100% that they didn’t make any movements here. Soon after this they got told to cut the shit
Great video, I had always wondered about Germany's rules here! I'd love to see one on "Made in Japan". I've learned a decent amount about Seiko's global footprint from various Seiko Group shareholder/environmental reports. But I know little about the actual rules beyond hearsay.
Good point, I was thinking same thing in supermarket last week about germany cheese made in Hungary, or about some german power tools that are not metabo :) I think that lots of German watches are different and very good made Damasco, Sinn, Stowa, but not all of them Laco and lots of others - only if price is come down. And for sake of argument France watches are also 'not cheap' but I have not any desire to have made in France watch like Yema?
Knot Design is truly Made In Japan. The Musubu Project they started is their driving premise - made in Japan, by Japanese, for Japan. The steel, the cases (same factory as GS), the movements, all the straps, etc.
Nice watch and review, but what happend to female endlinks? if the case is 49,2 , it will be at least 53 mm with the endlinks. Microbrands should stop doing male endlinks buy now?
Mine is my daily. It’s a grey 41mm ceramic model. Here’s what I think : It’s the best entry level luxury Swiss diver imo. Better than the Tissot Seastar 2000 for sure and better than the SW200-powered Oris Aquis (Calibre 400 is more expensive) with the new exclusive eta movement they added in the last couple of years. Not quite on Tudor level though. Looks great, feels great, runs +2spd, they offer 3 different sizes on both the new (39,41,43) and older (39,41,44) models as well as the choice between automatic and quartz. Finishing is superb, the sunburst dial is one of the prettiest I’ve seen on any watch. It has quite a lot of character with those distinctive oversized numerals and crown guards. Couple of moans and niggles as Jody would say : - Bracelet is meh. The clasp is clearly the worst part of the watch and those high polished centre links on an otherwise fully brushed Toolwatch don’t make sense to me. The rubber strap is fantastic though and has a much better clasp. - What makes its character is usually a love it or hate it thing. - It wears big with those long lugs and large crown guards - Lume is OK but not on Seiko level - 21mm lug width is a pain if you don’t want to go with the OEM options - Might be just me but for the price they’re asking I think they could make sure the threading on the crown and case back makes the logo and engravings align perfectly - While the movement is amazing it’s not an in house movement. The concept of an « exclusive » third party movement is weird imo I think that’s pretty much it from my owner standpoint. Great watch overall if you can live with those negatives.
Curious how your scoring system works, 3 plus points against 6 negatives but you still come out with the opinion that it's the best entry level Swiss driver? I put looks great and finishing together as I think they're one and the same FYI. I read that and by the end I'm thinking you've changed your mind!
@@gazele88 Honestly the negatives aren’t as significant as the positives. Most of them is just me being picky. Some aren’t even real negative points like the fact that the design is polarising or the non in house movement (it’s still a great movement). I just tried to point out everything that came to my mind. It’s still the best sub 1500€ dive watch I’ve handled by quite a large margin.
@@williamb8764 about the threading lining up when closed-- neither Rolex or Omega worry about that. With wear and thermal expansion changing clearances I'm not sure how well you can make it work out unless you're willing to do everything entirely by hand.
There was a big deal a few years ago about the made in Italy branding on Italian olive oil, lol. Apparently the Italian government is super strict on companies using the branding unless you're car company with a horse on its logo.
Awesome review as always Jody and a great looking watch for sure! Being somewhat of an arm chair existentialist interested in metaphysics I really enjoyed the preamble at the start there and it’s actually something I think about a lot (and not just in relation to watches) so I’ll definitely check out Chris Vail’s blog post!
I don't envy you the number of watches you must have to review (who am I kidding!). I found myself in London yesterday and popped into 2 Swatch shops to ask about MoonSwatch availability; they didn't have any, but the assistant and I at least had a chuckle about it....
Especially with mechenical watches, you can't reinvent the wheel! THE classic movements simply come from Switzerland, no matter where they are assembled or refined. When you get right down to it, not even AUDI or Mercedes are 100% made in Germany. Here, too, components such as axles and/or engines etc. are manufactured and assembled abroad. The assembly and quality control then takes place in Germany. This is also the case with watches, with the exception of a few manufacture movements. (By the way..I am German :-))
I think its nice looking BUT as with all these sw200 powered watches the elephant in the room is the Glycine Combat Sub range, cheaper, big brand and very cuff friendly
Hey Jody! Hopefully you might read this comment in hopes for me to request a watch I've been eyeing off for sometime but haven't been able to pull the trigger. It's the Rotary Cambridge model. My grail watch is the Cartier Tank but it'll be quite some time before I can afford that particular model.
Thanks for the perception-busting content. So much of watch marketing is story telling. How do we describe the value of our watches to others… someone recently asked if my Direnzo was another, high cost brand. She knew less than me about watches, so I responded with, “It’s a Swiss micro brand,” which is technically true and makes it sound somewhat exclusive to those who are not watchinistas… Anyway, thanks for the content. I’ve learned so much from watching your videos, both technically and aesthetically…
To be honest, I’m not even sure “Swiss Made” or “Japan Made” mean all that much. The watch industry really could do with internal or external regulation to force transparency.
Yes i read that when there is a Japanese supervisor present you can make a watch in any country and still call it made in Japan.
I'm trying hard not to buy anything from slave driver China. We need more transparency
There more I got into watches the less I became convinced by the "swiss made" moniker (although my all time grail is the REX 1 ) and have to agree with J's comment regarding "China made"....I would never pay a premium for "made in x"....🏴⌚🏴⌚
I think you just made the case for buying vintage!
Yes. Swiss Made means that at least 60% of the value should be made in Switzerland. Again, do you know how much of your Oris or Longines is really made in Switzerland? In the "affordable category" I assume that Swatch is actually the most true to "Swiss Made" 😅. Made in Germany is a bit different, as said in the video. With watches, typically the parts are sourced outside of Germany and then finished and assembled in Germany. They say, the problem is, that if you make it 100% in Germany, you can only sell products in the A.Lange price category which is kind of true I guess.
I bought one of these when they first came out. I didn't really care if it was made in Germany or not, I just liked the design. Everything lined up, build quality seemed really good, lume was great, bezel action was good, it was running about 2 seconds fast a day and I took it in the ocean and it held up just fine. Even if it is made in China it's still a great watch.
One would think that it is a mark of quality to have the words "Made in XX" written on the dial. The reality is that it often only means that the cost of assembly by far surpasses the cost of the rest of the production of the watch. So the funny thing is, the cheaper a watch is to produce in the far east, the easier it is to legally mark it as "Made in XX". This has to do with the regulations in the EU, US and Switzerland that a certain portion of the expenses from producing the watch need to happen in that country (including designing, marketing expenses and assembly).
I am not saying that it is the case with this particular watch. It is just a reality in the watch industry in general that you cannot ignore.
As stated in the video at 5:22 (and also displayed on screen), to be labeled "Made in the USA," all or virtually all of the parts must also be made in the USA. More specifically, all “significant parts, processing and labor that go into the product must be of U.S. origin.” Very few (if any) watches qualify to use the Made in the USA logo because many of the parts necessary to make a watch are not manufactured in the USA. That is why you will see some companies (Vaer, Shinola, some Islander watches, etc.) advertise that their products are "assembled" in the USA. In 2016, the US Federal Trade Commission made Shinola stop using the term "Built in Detroit" because it implied that their watches were Made in the USA, when in fact they were assembled there from foreign made parts.
@@caktaylor This is how it should be
Hey Jody,
great video! Your "ramble" videos are always fun and informative.
I used to work for a company that sells outdoor blinds and they offered two types of blinds, one is fully Made in China, the other is Made in Germany using inferior Chinese fabric from the same factory and labelled as Made in Germany. The one thats got a Made in Germany badge on it sells for 20% more despite using inferior material but people are will to go for that just off the name.
Yeah?? And what company was that?..
Fabric may be inferior but what about the mechanism? Quality control/assurance in the “German” ones may have made them worth the extra money
Is that properly disclosed by your company?
How is the material from China inferior if there isn’t a German material being used? If given the proper manufacturing specs, Chinese manufacturers can make as quality of a product as anywhere else in the world.
@@luisdelafuente They didn't need to because the blinds are legit "made in Germany", at least in legal terms.
Thanks Jody, a nice watch as you say but i don't know why some makers persist with applying the anti reflective coating on the outside of the crystal.. It is very annoying when you scratch it and your vision is drawn to it. A deal breaker for me unfortunately.
Not entirely "swiss made", doesn't always mean made in China
Here where I live (Italy, 20 miles from the swiss border) there are a couple of hi-end case manufacturing companies: their clients are swiss.
@@marcodeim. -No, it's because the lizard people like the scenery and there is a nice hotel for them and their extensive reptilian support staff to stay at.
@@marcodeim. excuse me but I do not understand your point. Sorry
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Several indices have varying amounts of yellow peeking out at odd angles. Looks like a solid watch, otherwise, but the cockeyed hour markers make it look like an Ali express special.
Yeah. 2 is very off as well.
Anything over $100 should have perfect applied markers.
I've never really cared too much where a watch is made, as long as it's well made.
My friend had a company registered in Germany, but selling Chinese garbage. But on the boxes with goods was written: Germany. Not "made in Germany", but simply "Germany". And it worked great - idiots bought Chinese goods with such an inscription muuuuuuch better. So it's not surprising.
@@marcodeim. Yup... You forgot 'Thinking bout Germany'
I see this so often even in the US. People buy products with "USA" written on the box and think it means made in the US. My grandparents have given me 2 no name watches now convinced they were getting an "American made" watch (whatever that even means) because the website had "America" all over it. People can't read
yeah please post the name of this so called company. And yeah 90% of consumers are dumdasf idiots.
Nice "friend"...
@@marcodeim. I would make myself available and touch the watches! Send me your watches and I will send them back to you labelled "Touched by a German" after laying them on by hand during the full moon.🤣
At the end of the day it’s quality control that counts throughout the value chain not the place of manufacture. Take for example Seiko, K and J made units, both have miss alignment. The car industry has cases where the best performing (quality wise) plants are not in their ‘home’ countries.
Super review as ever Jody, great point about the made in label not necessarily being totally reflective of the actual product, I purchased a Marc and Sons watch with an NH35 movement on one of your previous videos and I’ve not looked back, a good solid dependable watch that looks the business and is still one that I love wearing. Keep up the good work and I like many look forward to your next video.
When your channel uploads a new video, I always click on the notification to see your catchphrase "Hello and welcome". Ps. Sorry for my English, love your channel.
Great review. The place of manufacturing is clearly "marketing" rather than honesty. Nice piece, just not me. Great content & keep bringing it to us 😇🙏
Thanks Jodi!
So well explained Sir. Your videos are always informational. Love and respect from India.
Morning Jody, great intro, very interesting stuff, more than a wiff of zelos here, not just the swordfish, the casexshape too
Would be interesting to see if Seiko’s “Made in Japan” watches have the same ambiguous definition. Great video and info!
It is very well documented that Japan has some of the laxest laws around claims of domestic production. If you Google around you can find some great information about how little of Seiko is made or assembled in Japan.
Never heard of that brand before. Solid build, love the handset and color scheme, but the numerals aren't my cup of tea! Still cool to see an original design from Germany at that price point! Cheers!
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For me, the most important part is where the watch has been assembled and regulate.
This is where the cost is when servicing a timepiece. 👌
But still after several years, you will see the difference on reliability between swiss, german, japanese, chinese,... made.
... assuming you take proper care of your watch. 😏
The « made in Italy » part made me think about something curious. I own an Unimatic « Sponge Bob » that has « made in Italy » written in its dial. If the legislation requires that it is 100% made in Italy, then the watch info is wrong (or misleading), as the watch contains a Seiko NH35 (a japanese movement). Either the « made in Italy » tag use is not that strict, or the Unimatic folks have a very broad understanding regarding the « made in » legislation in Italy. Imho it should be « assembled in Italy » or « designed in Italy », but never « made in Italy ». And the same could be said about/applied to many other small and independent brands (Baltic, Undone, Spinnaker, Zelos etc)
The made in Italy was applied to the dial, didn't reffer to other parts of the watch 😉
@@johnmuthan286 in this case, writing on the dial _made in Italy_ is a lie. the law about it is very clear: "Only products for which the design, planning, processing and packaging have taken place exclusively on the Italian territory can be considered manufactured in Italy."
Otherwise it is "designed is Italy".
@@Nome_utente_generico "Design, planning, processing and packaging." All of this is true for the watch. It does not say that all the parts must come from Italy making the product "watch" 🙈. The cow for the leather strap must not necessarily be Italian for a strap made out of its leather to be considered Made in Italy. What about the steel coming from China? A 100% rule is I guess almost impossible...
@@thomasa.243 Sure. But I think even lawmakers (!) understand that raw materials arrive from all over the world. It has to be taken with a grain of salt
@@Nome_utente_generico Yeah, but the question is where does raw material end. Is the watch movement raw material? Probably since a movement does not make a complete product you can sell to end customers.
Great review and very fair considering the sponsorship. Very interesting to look at the ‘subject matter’ of does it matter it’s made in Germany. Some of the best watchmaking in the world come from Germany no that many people realise that. Looks like a great watch but in an increasingly crowded market place with micro brands it is very difficult to do something original.
I like the fieldwatch with rotating bezel idea.
I wonder how many viewers actually skip the "waffle"? I certainly don't - it's the best part of the show!
JOMW is like Saturday morning cartoons to me now. Thanks Jody!
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Nice vid, Jody, thanks for that! I like your side trip to explain the meaning of "!Made in Germany". And I like the watch having a field watch integrated; cool idea. But the best: Now I finallyknow where the swordfish of my MDV-107 has gone!! 😳
Generally, you will need to climb up the horological ladder to find German watches with higher German manufactured content. I understand that Nomos makes their own in house movements. Damasko is gradually growing their capabilities in their quest to become a comprehensive in-house manufacturer. Glasshute Original makes significant modifications to the Swiss movements that they use, and make their faces and hands in house. Stowa offers in house movements in many of their watches, IIRC. If you look hard enough, you can find German made watches which are genuinely made in Germany, but they will fall into the luxury watch category. Dornbluth and Sonne comes to mind. Their watches are made entirely in house in Dresden, by hand, to order and in very low volume.
thats why i appreciate companies that provide where everything is done, instead of hiding.
Great episode, the look at what “made in…” means was interesting. I knew there was wiggle room on what Swiss-made means, but I didn’t realize there was that much. I think “made in Germany”, as with “made in Switzerland” varies largely by company. Both Dekla and the Ickler brands (Archimede, Limes) are proudly and explicitly vertically -integrated with everything except the movements (Swiss) made in-house. Do Sinn and GO do the same? Anyway, I really like that Marc and Sons. Love the yellow on black, that thing would look awesome on a black (or yellow?) FKM-type strap. Shame about those twelve o’clock indices. Hard to buy a watch with it wearing its QAQC issues on its sleeve like that.
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My Glashutte Original Panorama date is absolutely and completely manufactured in Germany, alongside A lange & Sonn, Nomos and Mueller Glasshute as well as Tutima. However, I accept this is high end horolgy. Love your channel, brilliant informative and entertaining.
Hi Jodi, A great looking watch I lovel the colours and yes I also noticed the wonky markers. Shame you did not research " Made in England " as well would have been very interested in that comprarison. keep up the good work
Once worked in a company importing asian(not only chinese) pots and pans to Germany. They had a series with "made in Germany" large on the outside.
The last step, meaning coating and packaging was performed in Germany...the blank was made in Taiwan, if I recall correctly.
To be fair, yes this series was more expensive than the standard stuff, but it also was quite a bit more durable.
They really didn't skimp on that coating, I can tell you that much. Still had it in daily use 6 or 7 years after I left the company. XD
Wait, Time stamp 5:30 "To summarize we can regard "Made is Italy" as "Assembled in Germany,...etcetera, etcetera, in Germany?" I know I am not the only one that caught that! Excellent review as always but I couldn't just let that go. Cheers!
It definitely looks more expensive than what you are paying for... i should have gone for it instead of Tissot seastar but still happy with it
I've always been put off buying Seiko watches as most new watch brands use the same movements as Seiko but also use ceramic bezel sapphire glass and excellent lume as standard and there a lot cheaper..I just purchased a San Martin V3 Water ghost with black dial sapphire crystal ceramic bezel NH35a,movement and the build quality is stunning and it looks like million dollars on the wrist and runs like a dream ✌️🧐🇬🇧🇺🇦
Micro adjustment:
If there is only one hole, there is NO micro adjustment. That's simply where the springbar connects the bracelet to the clasp. So, NO adjustment whatsoever, unless you count the watch falling off your wrist as an adjustment option.
Logically, when there's two, three or four holes, it means that there is only ONE, TWO or THREE (precisely: n - 1) options for adjustment. One hole you will always need to use, thus the number of ADDITIONAL holes defines the number of micro adjustment options.
Brilliant eye opener, I wasn’t aware of “Swiss Made”, this has made me even more interested in the industry
Cool watch Jody. Incidentally Im sure that clasp is the same as the one on my citizen pro-master Ny0125.
Thanks for the review... I've been waiting for a thorough one on this watch... was contemplating about getting it in orange for about a year now....However after your good review I've decided against it....it looks cheap and not anything like I'm looking for... I'll allocate my money towards a Sinn 103 chronograph and Sinn U1 instead... You gotta love a watch and in this case I do not
The Made In badge really is marketing on the most part, until you get into the expensive market. However, it is marketing that I probably buy into much more than I should do!
Nice watch, price wise comparable with brands like Cristopher Ward, Farer and Steinhart and whilst if you buy a Glasshutte made watch you can be confident where it comes from, it is more than 10x the price. I could certainly live with the not actually German Sellita inside. Amazing how the previously nice looking dial has huge odd looking indices once pointed out and that's all you can see. I like the reflections, when the AR is too good a watch can look odd to me.
I like these educational segments for content
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Made in USA. In automobiles, they must contain 75% domestic manufacture to be able to qualify for something I no longer remember what. I do not know if this pertains to other manufactured goods....
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Really weird snout on that caseback swordfish🤣🤣🤣
Fun review. I have a thing for one German brand, in particular.
I was made in America, as were my parents and grandparents. Things get very fuzzy after that...
Love the shirt! I’m watching this review in my VW sweatshirt. I think manufacturing value goes as far as the brand can make it. A watch can be made in Switzerland but still be poorly made or have its faults
NO WAY ... some of the smaller markers looked crooked too ... not for that price
Finally someone not butchering "Glashütte". Boy I heard everything from Glashootah to Glashewtee 💪😅
I love adjustable clasps like this one, it's so much easier to just go one click out during the day when my wrist expands rather than fiddling with micro adjusts.
Thanks for the made in Germany and Switzerland breakdown
Very good video! A lot of people do not understand the meanings, good you info.
Aha just don't mention the war... :) as always very entertaining, educational and a bloody good fun to watch your production Thanks
Love the colors, robust and elegant at the same time, Jodi where on earth did u get that tshirt ..it rocks ...I search all over amazon for it ..can u share where ...
You’ve also reviewed the Sinn 104. A German masterpiece!
Mate, Might pay to have a proof read of your summary. I always wondered how my Tissot's were made for a few hundred bucks. Thanks for that.
A lot „made in xx” discussions ongoing. I think mist important is the attitude of the watch owner if he’s willing to pay for the “made in xx” prestige or not …
Actually I’m wearing this Marc & Sons watch at my wrist and I can tell you that’s one of my favorites in my watch box … Mine is the version with the blue dial, blue chapter ring and the red minute hand - absolutely stunning 🤩
You are correct Jody; Made in Germany doesn't really mean much anymore. In my collection I have a very attractive champagne colored dial Vintro retro styled chronograph watch. The large exhibition case back reveals a beautiful automatic movement that is signed "designed in Germany" on the decorated rotor. The movement's originally was Swiss, from what I recall, but it is now only manufactured in China. However at the bottom of the watch face is discretely printed MADE IN GERMANY!
Jody I have a question? Have you ever reviewed or tested a Vilhelm prism watch? I was looking into them and they are a Singaporean microbrand like Zelios, and the quantity seems very comparable. Thoughts?
Great looking watch and decent engine. Some minor quality control issues. Price point isn’t far off it’s true worth. One to consider.
Think it’s a bit busy TBH. Looks very well made so if it’s yer cuppa tea them reckon it’s a good buy for the price. Reckon the big number 12 is BIG! Nice review MrM the crooked indices at 12 and 2 are very poor
My only German watch is a Lilienthal Berlin. Great price point and good looking watches.
Pressed top clasp with ONE micro adjust??? (Faux) Divers extension is not a replacement for micro adjust. Looks like a good watch, but I don’t see the value at the price. Cheers, Jody!
Wow, you almost nailed the word Glashütte. 👍
It was going oh so well and the the twisted markers reared thier head. Lovely looking watch on that side of things.
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Always a great video, thanks 😊
...and a very very interesting video regarding where watches are made , and what this inscription ''made in germany'' , or ''swiss made'' , actually means anything
after all .
Looks like the awesome Strapcode ratchet clasp I put on my bracelet.
That's very true... 'Made in China' isn't lying to you - unlike many others. I worked for a stove company in Exeter, UK. Gazco/stovax all their parts are 100 percent made in China and they label it as 'Made in the UK', with Union Jack's printed everywhere.
Assembled in UK, Made on Earth, keep everyone happy
Finally someone says it out loud. Swiss here, i discover “Swiss made” which i never heard before on a weeekly. Too many loopholes in the law.
Jody, have a look at Iron Annie watches. German QC with Swiss movements and definitely more affordable. They offer incredible value and quality.
If I would want the best of Swiss I'd buy a Hamilton or a Patek. If I wanted a German I'd go with a Zeppelin or a Lange. If I wanted a Japanese, I'd get a Seiko or a Grand Seiko. They're all great countries with great watch making legends.
Some Seiko watches are now made in CHINA.
nice info jody... i usuallt dont care where its made, the only thing i care is, will i enjoy the watch, am i satisfied with what i payed fro the watch, also am i keeping it for long or maybe resell them in the future...
I remember Shinola tried to use made in the usa and I knew 100% that they didn’t make any movements here. Soon after this they got told to cut the shit
When I was younger I worked at a canvas sneaker factory in Slovakia. All of them had Made in Italy tags :D :D
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Great video, I had always wondered about Germany's rules here! I'd love to see one on "Made in Japan". I've learned a decent amount about Seiko's global footprint from various Seiko Group shareholder/environmental reports. But I know little about the actual rules beyond hearsay.
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I’m here for the shirt! Love it!!
“Squinty McGinty…” that made me giggle!😂 Thanks for the concise explanation of “Made in Germany.” It isn’t what one would think!
Good point, I was thinking same thing in supermarket last week about germany cheese made in Hungary, or about some german power tools that are not metabo :) I think that lots of German watches are different and very good made Damasco, Sinn, Stowa, but not all of them Laco and lots of others - only if price is come down. And for sake of argument France watches are also 'not cheap' but I have not any desire to have made in France watch like Yema?
Knot Design is truly Made In Japan. The Musubu Project they started is their driving premise - made in Japan, by Japanese, for Japan.
The steel, the cases (same factory as GS), the movements, all the straps, etc.
Those indices are away to one side like Gourock!! 😉😉
Wow. Thanks this is a very informative episode
Hooray - the Transporter shirt again! How is the Doctorate coming?
Nice watch and review, but what happend to female endlinks? if the case is 49,2 , it will be at least 53 mm with the endlinks. Microbrands should stop doing male endlinks buy now?
When I think of watches made in Germany, I think of Lange, Glashutte Original, Nomos and Union. I never really gave it much thought beyond that.
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Jody i’m not sure if u saw my last comment, but can you review the longines hydroconquest?
Hey Ant! Sure, you wanna buy me one? ;) OK, I'll see what I can do mate.
Mine is my daily. It’s a grey 41mm ceramic model.
Here’s what I think :
It’s the best entry level luxury Swiss diver imo. Better than the Tissot Seastar 2000 for sure and better than the SW200-powered Oris Aquis (Calibre 400 is more expensive) with the new exclusive eta movement they added in the last couple of years. Not quite on Tudor level though.
Looks great, feels great, runs +2spd, they offer 3 different sizes on both the new (39,41,43) and older (39,41,44) models as well as the choice between automatic and quartz.
Finishing is superb, the sunburst dial is one of the prettiest I’ve seen on any watch. It has quite a lot of character with those distinctive oversized numerals and crown guards.
Couple of moans and niggles as Jody would say :
- Bracelet is meh. The clasp is clearly the worst part of the watch and those high polished centre links on an otherwise fully brushed Toolwatch don’t make sense to me. The rubber strap is fantastic though and has a much better clasp.
- What makes its character is usually a love it or hate it thing.
- It wears big with those long lugs and large crown guards
- Lume is OK but not on Seiko level
- 21mm lug width is a pain if you don’t want to go with the OEM options
- Might be just me but for the price they’re asking I think they could make sure the threading on the crown and case back makes the logo and engravings align perfectly
- While the movement is amazing it’s not an in house movement. The concept of an « exclusive » third party movement is weird imo
I think that’s pretty much it from my owner standpoint. Great watch overall if you can live with those negatives.
Curious how your scoring system works, 3 plus points against 6 negatives but you still come out with the opinion that it's the best entry level Swiss driver?
I put looks great and finishing together as I think they're one and the same FYI.
I read that and by the end I'm thinking you've changed your mind!
@@gazele88 Honestly the negatives aren’t as significant as the positives.
Most of them is just me being picky. Some aren’t even real negative points like the fact that the design is polarising or the non in house movement (it’s still a great movement). I just tried to point out everything that came to my mind.
It’s still the best sub 1500€ dive watch I’ve handled by quite a large margin.
@@williamb8764 about the threading lining up when closed-- neither Rolex or Omega worry about that. With wear and thermal expansion changing clearances I'm not sure how well you can make it work out unless you're willing to do everything entirely by hand.
There was a big deal a few years ago about the made in Italy branding on Italian olive oil, lol. Apparently the Italian government is super strict on companies using the branding unless you're car company with a horse on its logo.
That 12 o'clock indicator looks like the decals I would hastily slap onto a model plane when I was nine years old.
Really like German watches !! For the price Sinn is amazing… great review
Awesome review as always Jody and a great looking watch for sure!
Being somewhat of an arm chair existentialist interested in metaphysics I really enjoyed the preamble at the start there and it’s actually something I think about a lot (and not just in relation to watches) so I’ll definitely check out Chris Vail’s blog post!
I don't envy you the number of watches you must have to review (who am I kidding!). I found myself in London yesterday and popped into 2 Swatch shops to ask about MoonSwatch availability; they didn't have any, but the assistant and I at least had a chuckle about it....
Yeah Matt, try again in a year or so!
Especially with mechenical watches, you can't reinvent the wheel!
THE classic movements simply come from Switzerland, no matter where they are assembled or refined.
When you get right down to it, not even AUDI or Mercedes are 100% made in Germany. Here, too, components such as axles and/or engines etc. are manufactured and assembled abroad.
The assembly and quality control then takes place in Germany.
This is also the case with watches, with the exception of a few manufacture movements.
(By the way..I am German :-))
Nice homage, but I'll keep my original MRW200H mate 😂
It does when the writing on the top of the watch dial says
A. Lange & Söhne
It reminds me of the Casio MRW200 but with a bracelet...
I think its nice looking BUT as with all these sw200 powered watches the elephant in the room is the Glycine Combat Sub range, cheaper, big brand and very cuff friendly
Hey Jody! Hopefully you might read this comment in hopes for me to request a watch I've been eyeing off for sometime but haven't been able to pull the trigger. It's the Rotary Cambridge model. My grail watch is the Cartier Tank but it'll be quite some time before I can afford that particular model.
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In my opinion i think it's a very nice tool watch! With nice specifications!!
Great information, people really should know what they are buying.
Really interesting research!
Thanks for the perception-busting content. So much of watch marketing is story telling. How do we describe the value of our watches to others… someone recently asked if my Direnzo was another, high cost brand. She knew less than me about watches, so I responded with, “It’s a Swiss micro brand,” which is technically true and makes it sound somewhat exclusive to those who are not watchinistas…
Anyway, thanks for the content. I’ve learned so much from watching your videos, both technically and aesthetically…