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I am on my 2nd pair of Metaspeed Edge. I am happy spoiled. Well engineered lightweight and very durable. I use these exclusively for running and mostly between 5 and 10k runs. 3rd pair likely coming at the end of this summer.
I wouldn’t have said this 2 years ago, but ASICS is my favorite road shoe brand. For 2022 the Glide 3 is my go to shoe (still loving the Novablast 2 from last year too), and super excited for the Novablast 3 and Magic Speed 2. Plus they are killing it with some of these colorways.
Seth I 'am going through some of your older videos on foam rolling, running plans, running methods etc and they are gold. Maybe a good time to thank you for the great content you have been putting up day in day out. Cheers!
I’m sorry, but complaining about the increase in weight vs. the original Edge without even mentioning the increased heel stack from 34 to 39mm immediately invalidates this review. The Edge+ is a COMPLETELY different shoe compared to the Edge whereas the Sky+ isn’t much of a change.
@@tyleraltom6026 that’s different than changing the overall stack height though. He even mentioned in his original video about the Edge that it “wasn’t a marathon shoe” like they advertised which is totally fair, but they added 5mm of stack to the Edge+ to make it more marathon-distance friendly and it isn’t even mentioned in this video.
Seth’s reviews have been all over the place this year (he was injured so mentally a lot was going on). The weirdest was when he said an Altra was sloppy wide
I learn slowly, and my learning definitely does not occur in a straight line. Once I've learned a lesson, I still slip and stumble quite a bit on my way to success. I know I'm on the right path when the slip-ups become smaller and less frequent.
Hi Seth, great video as always. And as always there is one thing that slightly upsets me. At the end you list other shoes to buy with their weight in 9 US and then you show the quick specs of the reviewed shoe in shoe size 7.5 US. It is clearly stated so it is not confusing but I always want to compare the reviewed shoe to the other suggestions and this detail makes it harder. Could you please add also weight of the reviewed shoe in 9 US? PS: I know that there was a lot thoughts put in the way what you show. For the suggested other shoes, you might have not reviewed them yet, so you don't know the weight in your size. On the other hand, for the review shoe your actually measured weight is more precise than what the manufacturer claims. I see your point there. It is just a bit inconvenient when you want to compare those shoes.
On the naming policy schemes, New Balance is great about it in their more important lines. You don't have to have ever seen the shoe to know the difference between the Fresh Foam x 880 and the Fresh Foam X 1080. Hundreds column is stack. Tens column is neutrality. So, hypothetically, if New Balance releases a shoe called 'Fresh Foam X 1220' you would know immediately that this was a Fresh Foam X shoe, has a lot more stack than the 1080, and contains a lot more stability features than the 880. And they simplified the Fuelcell line naming. SuperComp means Fuelcell foam with carbon plate and all the latest technologies. Name of the shoe is what it was designed to be used for.
$250 was good/standard in 2019 but is high in 2022? If something was $250 and years later it is still $250 even with inflation… you know what. Never mind lol
.., and when one of these companies comes out with a new foam (buys a new foam from a chemical company) they are surely going to pass the savings on to us.
@@oscarkallenbach9131 more competition but the demand is still the same. Production costs savings aren’t going to cause a decrease in price in this instance. But let’s say they did… that could lower the price a little. And then inflation bumps it right back up. So the price is either lower than expected or right on (if we concede the points you make.) There’s no economical conclusion where we can say the price should be lower
How does this show compare to the Noosa Tri 14? Because I love that shoe and currently rotating the Superblast and the Noosa Tri 14. I am considering a super shoe in my rotation, but my longest distance would be a 10k.
I'd love to hear more about the differences are between a stride runner vs a cadence runner. Does a stride runner need to work on flexibility more while a cadence runner works on leg speed exercises? Are there pro examples of each? For instance I heard Mo Farrah has a relatively slow cadence, does that mean he's a stride style runner?
There’s some info on how ASICS are defining how these shoes are intended on their website but essentially they are saying there are 2 types of runners, those who naturally increase stride more as they get faster (SKY+) and those who increase cadence more as they get faster (EDGE+). The EDGE+ has a more on the toes feel and promotes/assists with that quick turn over. The SKY+ has less of a drop, better if you’re bounding a bit more I guess. Maybe more comfortable for a marathon distance too.
@@Eirikkinserdal - and here’s the tough bit. Everyone increases both as they get faster…but which increases by more! Mo can run with a different one on each foot and still beat me!
Dude is full of crap. There is no such thing as stride vs cadence running. It has been scientifically proven that a high cadence is the most efficient way to run, and as you get more fit your cadence will naturally go up, as will your biomechanics efficiency. You don’t get to choose.
@@dakotawagner he’s absolutely not. My cadence increases to a little north of 190 at marathon pace while most runners are probably between 170-180. It’s nice that Asics is aware of this and is offering different options. Most people would probably prefer the Sky. However, some “cadence runners” still prefer the Sky because it helps increase their stride length which also naturally happens with increased pace. Seems like it’s more of a preference than something set in stone. But there is definitely a difference.
i ve been using ms sky 1 y 2 for chicago 2021 and 2022, but im still doubting if i change for ms edge+ . what do you suggest? i ran my last chicago 2022 in 3:03 and chasing the sub 3 in boston 2024
Cracked my CF plate going down the stairs of my v1 (heard a crunch) careful with sharp edges , stair edges . Still feels the same . Might wait for the sc elite . Seems like the Saucony sounds like a better option.
Unlike Sky+ which increased in volume of foam under foot WITHOUT stack change, Edge+ actually added significant stack (5mm more) vs v1 so weight increase is totally justified! I don't think the review has made it clear.
THanks for your review! But I find it pretty tricky and not so clear from Asics - what should I take - Edge or Sky, because by increasing a pace - I have for sure higher cadence and longer stride.
QD: oh yes, take a half day off work yesterday to go to a triathlon, on the way to the trash when I stop and get some trail mix from the shovel your own Shelf. Well that's real mixed must have been a bit old too, through the whole race I'm having stomach distress... Had a real slow run and then after the race... boom 😀. So note to self, no more trail mix from strange sources.
How do thoes shoes help? Will they increase the cadence from say 170 to 180..or help me keep same cadence with less effort..? Similar for the sky.. Increase stride from 1m to 1.1m or help me maintain my 1 meter easier? Thank you for your answer
Great comment of the day in today's video. Shoe names could be way more helpful, particularly in a case like these two similar looking shoes released at the same time by the same brand!
I had an opportunity to test ride the Edge+ at an ASICS event. My failures ? Body injuries seem to always be in new places. I gym 2x so that this isn’t an issue. But age is catching up to me.
I think more so it's not so much standard if you have high cadence to go for the edge+, it's more whether you see that your stride length increases more than your cadence as the speed goes up
I do like the EDGE+ I got a nice PB in a 10K which helps! It’s expensive but then all the super shoes are…so maybe a little harsh to mark it down so much! What will the Alphafly 2 get?!
I like the Edge+ as well. I tested both and bought the Edge, which I suspected even before trying would agree with me more as a lightweight, petite, efficient runner with a very high natural cadence. I get a very nice discount from my favorite independent running store in San Diego which I visit often (they ship them to me in CO or have the company ship them direct). That discount on higher priced shoes becomes quite substantial.
I don't really agree with the durability prediction and price score. I've taken two metaspeed skys to 600 miles with liberally zero wear to the outsole and the midsole being as responsive as day 1. 250$ for a marathon racing shoe that takes you to 600 miles is good value compared to the Next % that looks like it's been through a world war after 200 miles or the Alphafly airpods that pop open (I'm too familiar with the sound of defliated airpods from my fellow runners). The Sauchony Speeds and Pros are good shoes but after 300 miles the midsole just loses all bounce.
I would tend to agree. I mentioned in another reply that Asics outsoles-along with adidas-have fantastic durability in addition to fantastic grip. I can’t say the same for Saucony, whose shoes I love (specifically the Endo Speed) but I always wear through a small outsole patch on the lateral rear side forward of the heel before the rest of the shoe is close to worn out. As for Nike AirPods, that’s the reason I would never take a chance however small on wearing the Alphafly for a major race. Too much investment of time and energy to risk that.
All of the superfoams out right now seem to be MORE durable than eva in terms of compression, while LESS durable than eva in terms of abrasion. I’ve found that creasing on peba/nylon seems to be cosmetic and doesn’t seem to indicate a short lifespan.
I still don’t understand the cadence vs stride terminology. As far as I’m aware the optimal cadence for efficiency is around 180 spm, and what I find is that if I’m running slowly and want to increase speed then I increase cadence to around 180, beyond that I tend to increase stride, and for sprinting then cadence again. Does that make me a cadence or stride runner?
IMP I do not agree with all the Shoe-tubers about Saucony Prices 2022 vs other brands, I feel Saucony is sub £200, Asics Metaspeed Edge+ is a way better shoe, I run in the speed weekly & the build is rubbish compared with Asics. I am not buying any more Saucony until they pipe down on their price hikes...sub £200
My main issue with Saucony is outsole durability. I know some ppl say they get huge mileage out of them but that’s the part of the shoe I think is inferior to Asics, Adidas, NB and Brooks, just to name a few.
Like a Nike lover that you ate i want to see the review of the streakfly and the alpjafly and see waht kind of score you put, both sjoes because the alpjafly gained weight and is very expensive and the streakfly have serious durability scores and dont perfom very well, i want to see because a score of more that 7 for that shoes is not correct..
I personally love the streakfly as a track workout shoe. Your low through the corners and it doesn't do too much for you in a workout. I also did take it on a 10k race that I was running easy pace for myself and it stood up to the pavement better than expected. All in all if used for the right reasons I do see it as a creat option for some people to workout in.
HELLO DGR! We are at the airport about to fly out to Hawaii! I'll be running a half marathon there on Saturday! Pikes Peak tune up race I guess! LOVE YOU ALL! There will be plenty of SEEKING BEAUTY photos! MUCH LOVE DGR FAMILY! DGR STRONG!
I am on my 2nd pair of Metaspeed Edge. I am happy spoiled. Well engineered lightweight and very durable. I use these exclusively for running and mostly between 5 and 10k runs. 3rd pair likely coming at the end of this summer.
If there is any running shoe brand that you should break the bank for, it's Asics.
They have the best ratio of price vs performance vs durability.
Pretty sure endorphin line is way more durable than the MetaSpeed series …
Just saying
My speed 1 lasted me to 1100miles(1700km)
ASICS and Saucony are the top in terms of performance/price/durability. Hoka and Nike are towards the bottom, imo especially in terms of durability.
I wouldn’t have said this 2 years ago, but ASICS is my favorite road shoe brand. For 2022 the Glide 3 is my go to shoe (still loving the Novablast 2 from last year too), and super excited for the Novablast 3 and Magic Speed 2. Plus they are killing it with some of these colorways.
@@kalvin. agreed for road, but Hoka is still killing it trail wise.
@@karmaforgotme yes they definitely shifted a lot of attention to the trail instead. It’s a great time to be a running shoe fan
Asics Metaspeed Edge + Marathon shoe tried and tested. Very happy with mine
Can't help but remember my first racing flats- the blue nylon Onizuka tiger flats. What a change in the midsole!!!
I just got these for $150. Great deal.
Seth I 'am going through some of your older videos on foam rolling, running plans, running methods etc and they are gold. Maybe a good time to thank you for the great content you have been putting up day in day out. Cheers!
Im glad to see that you're still keeping the Novablast 2 at the back :)
I’m sorry, but complaining about the increase in weight vs. the original Edge without even mentioning the increased heel stack from 34 to 39mm immediately invalidates this review. The Edge+ is a COMPLETELY different shoe compared to the Edge whereas the Sky+ isn’t much of a change.
He said shoe companies are adding more material / girth thus adding to weight 🤷🏻♂️
@@tyleraltom6026 that’s different than changing the overall stack height though. He even mentioned in his original video about the Edge that it “wasn’t a marathon shoe” like they advertised which is totally fair, but they added 5mm of stack to the Edge+ to make it more marathon-distance friendly and it isn’t even mentioned in this video.
@@SimoFromOhio Start your own channel sounds like you know what you’re doing
Seth’s reviews have been all over the place this year (he was injured so mentally a lot was going on). The weirdest was when he said an Altra was sloppy wide
I learn slowly, and my learning definitely does not occur in a straight line. Once I've learned a lesson, I still slip and stumble quite a bit on my way to success. I know I'm on the right path when the slip-ups become smaller and less frequent.
You could always just purchase the Nike Alpha Fly Next% 2 since they didn’t send you them.
But that would mean he’d have to put in some effort!
@@dakotawagner bruh, he puts in a lot of work. So much time for UA-cam and probably make little to no money from it
Thanks, Seth
Another great review.
Hope your recovery is going well.
Look forward to more of your above the treeline
trail runs.
Hi Seth, great video as always. And as always there is one thing that slightly upsets me. At the end you list other shoes to buy with their weight in 9 US and then you show the quick specs of the reviewed shoe in shoe size 7.5 US. It is clearly stated so it is not confusing but I always want to compare the reviewed shoe to the other suggestions and this detail makes it harder. Could you please add also weight of the reviewed shoe in 9 US?
PS: I know that there was a lot thoughts put in the way what you show. For the suggested other shoes, you might have not reviewed them yet, so you don't know the weight in your size. On the other hand, for the review shoe your actually measured weight is more precise than what the manufacturer claims. I see your point there. It is just a bit inconvenient when you want to compare those shoes.
I was waiting for this! Thanks!
On the naming policy schemes, New Balance is great about it in their more important lines. You don't have to have ever seen the shoe to know the difference between the Fresh Foam x 880 and the Fresh Foam X 1080. Hundreds column is stack. Tens column is neutrality. So, hypothetically, if New Balance releases a shoe called 'Fresh Foam X 1220' you would know immediately that this was a Fresh Foam X shoe, has a lot more stack than the 1080, and contains a lot more stability features than the 880. And they simplified the Fuelcell line naming. SuperComp means Fuelcell foam with carbon plate and all the latest technologies. Name of the shoe is what it was designed to be used for.
Interesting, thanks for sharing! I still think models named with numbers and acronyms only are confusing and hard to remember, but this helps.
$250 was good/standard in 2019 but is high in 2022? If something was $250 and years later it is still $250 even with inflation… you know what. Never mind lol
Something’s off here …. 💀
.., and when one of these companies comes out with a new foam (buys a new foam from a chemical company) they are surely going to pass the savings on to us.
More competition, higher production volumes, lower development costs
@@oscarkallenbach9131 more competition but the demand is still the same. Production costs savings aren’t going to cause a decrease in price in this instance. But let’s say they did… that could lower the price a little. And then inflation bumps it right back up. So the price is either lower than expected or right on (if we concede the points you make.) There’s no economical conclusion where we can say the price should be lower
How does this show compare to the Noosa Tri 14? Because I love that shoe and currently rotating the Superblast and the Noosa Tri 14. I am considering a super shoe in my rotation, but my longest distance would be a 10k.
I'd love to hear more about the differences are between a stride runner vs a cadence runner. Does a stride runner need to work on flexibility more while a cadence runner works on leg speed exercises? Are there pro examples of each? For instance I heard Mo Farrah has a relatively slow cadence, does that mean he's a stride style runner?
There’s some info on how ASICS are defining how these shoes are intended on their website but essentially they are saying there are 2 types of runners, those who naturally increase stride more as they get faster (SKY+) and those who increase cadence more as they get faster (EDGE+).
The EDGE+ has a more on the toes feel and promotes/assists with that quick turn over. The SKY+ has less of a drop, better if you’re bounding a bit more I guess. Maybe more comfortable for a marathon distance too.
Would say Mo is both. To run at those speed you need a long stride and a high cadence 😆
@@Eirikkinserdal - and here’s the tough bit. Everyone increases both as they get faster…but which increases by more! Mo can run with a different one on each foot and still beat me!
Dude is full of crap. There is no such thing as stride vs cadence running. It has been scientifically proven that a high cadence is the most efficient way to run, and as you get more fit your cadence will naturally go up, as will your biomechanics efficiency. You don’t get to choose.
@@dakotawagner he’s absolutely not. My cadence increases to a little north of 190 at marathon pace while most runners are probably between 170-180. It’s nice that Asics is aware of this and is offering different options. Most people would probably prefer the Sky. However, some “cadence runners” still prefer the Sky because it helps increase their stride length which also naturally happens with increased pace. Seems like it’s more of a preference than something set in stone. But there is definitely a difference.
i ve been using ms sky 1 y 2 for chicago 2021 and 2022, but im still doubting if i change for ms edge+ . what do you suggest? i ran my last chicago 2022 in 3:03 and chasing the sub 3 in boston 2024
FYI the Salomon Phantasm CF is composite fibre not carbon fibre
Cracked my CF plate going down the stairs of my v1 (heard a crunch) careful with sharp edges , stair edges . Still feels the same . Might wait for the sc elite . Seems like the Saucony sounds like a better option.
Unlike Sky+ which increased in volume of foam under foot WITHOUT stack change, Edge+ actually added significant stack (5mm more) vs v1 so weight increase is totally justified! I don't think the review has made it clear.
THanks for your review! But I find it pretty tricky and not so clear from Asics - what should I take - Edge or Sky, because by increasing a pace - I have for sure higher cadence and longer stride.
for boston 2024 btw vaporfly3 & edge+ or ms sky+? which one champ?
QD: oh yes, take a half day off work yesterday to go to a triathlon, on the way to the trash when I stop and get some trail mix from the shovel your own Shelf. Well that's real mixed must have been a bit old too, through the whole race I'm having stomach distress... Had a real slow run and then after the race... boom 😀. So note to self, no more trail mix from strange sources.
How do thoes shoes help? Will they increase the cadence from say 170 to 180..or help me keep same cadence with less effort..? Similar for the sky.. Increase stride from 1m to 1.1m or help me maintain my 1 meter easier? Thank you for your answer
QOD I'm repeating my failures until I perfect them
Great comment of the day in today's video. Shoe names could be way more helpful, particularly in a case like these two similar looking shoes released at the same time by the same brand!
Nike’s not giving you anything. There’s a reason you have t gotten the streak fly.
Well we know he won’t put in the work and buy some.
@@dakotawagner mans become a beggar
I had an opportunity to test ride the Edge+ at an ASICS event.
My failures ? Body injuries seem to always be in new places. I gym 2x so that this isn’t an issue. But age is catching up to me.
what does high cadence mean to you? +180? My average on training is 165-170, on race day 170-175. So my choice would be sky+?
I think more so it's not so much standard if you have high cadence to go for the edge+, it's more whether you see that your stride length increases more than your cadence as the speed goes up
I do like the EDGE+ I got a nice PB in a 10K which helps! It’s expensive but then all the super shoes are…so maybe a little harsh to mark it down so much! What will the Alphafly 2 get?!
Good question!
I like the Edge+ as well. I tested both and bought the Edge, which I suspected even before trying would agree with me more as a lightweight, petite, efficient runner with a very high natural cadence. I get a very nice discount from my favorite independent running store in San Diego which I visit often (they ship them to me in CO or have the company ship them direct). That discount on higher priced shoes becomes quite substantial.
I don't really agree with the durability prediction and price score. I've taken two metaspeed skys to 600 miles with liberally zero wear to the outsole and the midsole being as responsive as day 1. 250$ for a marathon racing shoe that takes you to 600 miles is good value compared to the Next % that looks like it's been through a world war after 200 miles or the Alphafly airpods that pop open (I'm too familiar with the sound of defliated airpods from my fellow runners). The Sauchony Speeds and Pros are good shoes but after 300 miles the midsole just loses all bounce.
I would tend to agree. I mentioned in another reply that Asics outsoles-along with adidas-have fantastic durability in addition to fantastic grip. I can’t say the same for Saucony, whose shoes I love (specifically the Endo Speed) but I always wear through a small outsole patch on the lateral rear side forward of the heel before the rest of the shoe is close to worn out. As for Nike AirPods, that’s the reason I would never take a chance however small on wearing the Alphafly for a major race. Too much investment of time and energy to risk that.
All of the superfoams out right now seem to be MORE durable than eva in terms of compression, while LESS durable than eva in terms of abrasion.
I’ve found that creasing on peba/nylon seems to be cosmetic and doesn’t seem to indicate a short lifespan.
What will be overpronating option ?
I still don’t understand the cadence vs stride terminology. As far as I’m aware the optimal cadence for efficiency is around 180 spm, and what I find is that if I’m running slowly and want to increase speed then I increase cadence to around 180, beyond that I tend to increase stride, and for sprinting then cadence again. Does that make me a cadence or stride runner?
That makes you a cadence runner
Edge+ is better than adidas adios Pro3 ?
the video is looking really crisp.., but maybe I haven’t been around in a while
The edge + looks quite similar to the sky first version
Nice comment on 250 USD for 2022😁
1st today and all best to all....
IMP I do not agree with all the Shoe-tubers about Saucony Prices 2022 vs other brands, I feel Saucony is sub £200, Asics Metaspeed Edge+ is a way better shoe, I run in the speed weekly & the build is rubbish compared with Asics. I am not buying any more Saucony until they pipe down on their price hikes...sub £200
My main issue with Saucony is outsole durability. I know some ppl say they get huge mileage out of them but that’s the part of the shoe I think is inferior to Asics, Adidas, NB and Brooks, just to name a few.
Like a Nike lover that you ate i want to see the review of the streakfly and the alpjafly and see waht kind of score you put, both sjoes because the alpjafly gained weight and is very expensive and the streakfly have serious durability scores and dont perfom very well, i want to see because a score of more that 7 for that shoes is not correct..
I personally love the streakfly as a track workout shoe. Your low through the corners and it doesn't do too much for you in a workout. I also did take it on a 10k race that I was running easy pace for myself and it stood up to the pavement better than expected. All in all if used for the right reasons I do see it as a creat option for some people to workout in.
got these for 80 dollarsss
Running on banana peels.
Good morning from israel